Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 January 10

= January 10 =

BLA
Is it appropriate for a dab page (BLA) to include redlinks and external links? Illia Connell (talk) 00:21, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * If an entry is redlinked then there should be a blue link in the description, and external links or references are not appropriate. I have changed the entry per Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:47, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Illia Connell (talk) 18:43, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Hypothetical situation
What would happen if there was a notable book or band or film or whatever called Main Page? Would they get a hatnote on the main page? --Jameboy (talk) 00:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * It looks like there's already a copy of "Main Page" at "Wikipedia Main Page", thus we could just repurpose the old page for the new article, disambiguation page, etc. That page should then have a dab to the Wikipedia Main Page, but not vice-versa.  Many links would also need updating. StuRat (talk) 01:01, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia Main Page is one of 347 redirects to Main Page. It would be decided by consensus at the time. We cannot say what the result would be but I guess it would require a very notable topic to get support for a hatnote. By the way, there is a guy called William Main Page. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:11, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * There's no reason set in stone why the landing page for the en.wikipedia.org website need be the mainspace article Main Page. It's been that way for a very long time, and there's never been a pressing need to move it - but if such a need arose we'd have a discussion and decide what to do. The content you see at Main Page shouldn't be in the article namespace at all, because it's not an article; Main Page dates from the dark times before namespaces. It's a portal, so if we were doing things fresh now, it'd quite possibly end up as portal:Main page instead.  I doubt hardly any of our visitors, and few of our editors, would really notice (and I, who have been here nine years, had to go check to see that it was Main Page not Main page or Front Page or Home page). -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 01:47, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Article translation
There is a biographical article in the German language portion of Wikipedia that would be an excellent article in English, since the subject is American. Is there a policy and a procedure on translating Wikipedia articles from one language to another and publishing the new translation? Thank you for your guidance. Nolabob (talk) 03:12, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * See WP:TRANSLATE.--ukexpat (talk) 04:58, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Stripper article/tip collection
When I came to the "Tip Collection" section of the "Stripper" article, I encountered a problem. The article says that to " crumple bills into a ball shape and throw them in the direction of the entertainer." is a from of tipping. I work as a stripper and can tell you that this is rude and inappropriate. I edited the page to say so, including that dancers may reprimand a customer who does this verbally or physically. I used appropriate language and terms and can tell you that this is accurate information.

My edit was removed while the original was left in the article. I made a second edit which was also removed. Please either remove the original comment, or better yet, allow my edit (or a similar edit) to follow it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.20.163.125 (talk) 03:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * While the second edit was poor form, it doesn't seem like the statement should remain in the article, as the behavior described is un-sourced and clearly wrong to anyone who's ever seen it. I'm sure a corroborating source could be found if someone really wants to argue that it's OK to chuck tips at someone on stage. —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 04:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It was unsourced, and I don't care enough to try to see if a source exists, but I don't see why it wouldn't be considered a method (even if rude) of tipping. How dare they not stick their hands in a garter or their face in a pair of breasts to tip politely? I'm sure when the strippers physically reprimand the customer, they return that money that was so rudely given to them for the performance... --Onorem♠Dil 04:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I do not understand.
Here is the link that you helped me put together in the wiki help chat room.Again it was declined. Why? I don't understand. This is the best I can do and I keep getting help from the Wiki Chat room. Even the people helping me in the wiki chat room say it looks great and meets all requirements. I'm confused. What seems to be the problem? Can you fix this and get back to me. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/NO (Band). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebandno (talk • contribs)


 * Don't abbreviate as Wiki (English version).png There are other wikis out there. Wikipedia is just one of them.]]
 * Articles on Wikipedia need to be notable. WP:BAND details the notability guidelines for (surprisingly enough) bands. Please read that. If your band does not satisfy those, then I'm afraid it's an inherent problem with the article that cannot be resolved. Kayau (talk · contribs) 15:07, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Where is &#60;ref&#62; tag defined?
Where is the source code for the &#60;ref&#62; .. &#60;/ref&#62; tags? Electron9 (talk) 05:06, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it is part of the MediaWiki software. You can get the source from the website at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki RudolfRed (talk) 05:17, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not part of the MediaWiki core. It's in mw:Extension:Cite/Cite.php. Special:Version shows this extension is installed at Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:33, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Vibrant Gujarat Global Investor Summit
Please improve this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankit555551 (talk • contribs) 05:41, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Please be bold. Or, You can discuss how to improve the article on the talk page.  RudolfRed (talk) 05:43, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

PLEASE HELP! - by Curtaintoad -- continue
I want more rights please... I want:


 * Account creator rights
 * File mover rights

PLEASE help me with this above. And can User:Yunshui please answer to this question first? Thanks,  CURTAINTOAD! TALK! 09:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, the short answer is no. Account creator is only ever granted to users who are identified to the Wikimedia Foundation and well experienced with the Account Creation Interface - as far can see, you've never done any work in this area. File mover rights are generally only granted to users who have considerable experience working with files - again, as far as I can tell, you don't yet have this (ten uploads (three of which have already had to be deleted) and 28 edits to the File namespace do not constitute sufficient experience).
 * Wikipedia isn't a hat-collecting contest; you don't gain any special consideration just because you have a long list of userrights. Calm down, take your time and just do some editing; if you do a lot of work that shows you need these rights and that you can be trusted with them, then they'll be granted, but we don't hand out userrights just because you want them. Sorry to be blunt, but there's currently just no visible evidence that you need these additional permissions to do your work here.
 * Finally, requests like this should be posted at Requests for permissions, using the correct format, not at the Helpdesk. Apart from anything else, most of the responders here are not administrators, and so couldn't grant you additional rights even if they wanted to. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  09:19, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Punjabi film Sarsa's Release Date
Dear Mr Editor

This is to bring into your kind notice that Sarsa's release date has not been finalised yet. This is my humble request to you to remove Sarsa's release date from your page (List of Indian Punjabi films). We will announce release date very shortly.

I'll be grateful to you if you do the needful.

thanks regards

Mehboob Brar Executive Producer "Sarsa" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.245.145.223 (talk) 11:04, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I have removed it, as it is unsourced and fails WP:V. C T F 8 3 !  11:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Remove an ip address
I edited on a friends computer and forgot to log in how do I remove the ip address or change it to my user name so it isn't on public display? My friend wouldnt want their ip address out there.Uthican (talk) 14:25, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * See Requests for oversight. The IP address can be hidden but not changed to a username. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:50, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Exact String Search?
I'm looking for pages which contain the string 'Alpha Alpha' using the Wikipedia Search page. Even when I put the search string in quotes (single or double doesn't matter) among the top 20 hits are the Alpha Kappa Alpha, Alpha Phi Alpha, and Alpha Omega Alpha pages. I've checked each of those pages and the word Alpha doesn't occur twice in a row in any of them (In Alpha Omega Alpha, it doesn't even have Alpha as the first word, so the issue isn't that the title is counted in the search text). Is there any way to get *only* those pages with the word Alpha occurring twice in a row, or is this something where the best solution is google? Naraht (talk) 15:11, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, Google is usually better. site:en.wikipedia.org "alpha alpha" -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 15:21, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Alpha Kappa Alpha and Alpha Phi Alpha both contain the string "Alpha, Alpha", and both articles are therefore included in both Wikipedia and Google results on "Alpha Alpha". Your third link Alpha Omega Alpha is not anywhere in Wikipedia's results for me. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:24, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Adding Translation
Hello, I have recently created the article Giovanni Maria Bernardoni and I know that the polish and russian wiki also have an article on the same person. How does one add the new english article to the list of languages that the article is in?Omniscient13 (talk) 15:35, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * See help with interlanguage links.--ukexpat (talk) 15:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Improvement
Greetings Reader,

I have a suggestion for you, which is say I am reading a wiki page on Pulse-code Modulation, there is link about sampling rate which redirects to another page. Instead of that when I move the cursor on it, it must display the 1st or important wordings about that link.

What happens is that when there is any new topic which is not known to us, we open that link in new tab, instead of it main information regarding the link must be displayed when the cursor is positioned on it. It saves time, possibility to forget the actually what we were reading.

Hope you consider this suggestion.

Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahantesh2012 (talk • contribs) 15:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Please consider enabling the Navigation Popups gadget on your account. Go to Preferences -->Gadgets tab and check the Navigation popups box; click save then bypass your browser cache.--ukexpat (talk) 15:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

my new novel, Bones of Contention
Hi, I attempted to create a Wikipedia page for my new novel, Bones of Contention, using my full name as, Adeola Tope-Fagbolagun as Username. However I got this message that,

‘This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference. 15:49, 2 January 2013 JohnCD (talk | contribs) deleted page Adeola Tope-Fagbolagun (A7: Article about a real person, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject). I reckon there was something I did which wasn’t right. Would therefore be grateful for your advice. If not could I delete the record, as I don’t think it will be of any use if I ain’t getting it right.

Your assistance would be highly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adeola Tope-Fagbolagun (talk • contribs) 18:07, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * As was noted in other discussions above this one, we really, really, really, REALLY discourage autobiographical edits, including writing or editing articles about yourself, your works, your organizations and/or companies, your family, etc.; not least because of the difficulty in maintaining the mandatory neutral point-of-view. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  18:22, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Editing my companies page
Hi I work for the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching and have been tasked with updating our page. That being said I am completely inexperienced with editing wikis. It is my understanding that to upload our updated logo I must post a request here. Any help with changing the logo or good guides to editing would be much appreciated!

-Jake Judisch (Intern) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CarnegieFoundation (talk • contribs) 18:59, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You should read WP:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide and Image use policy. Ruslik_ Zero 19:26, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, see your talk page, regarding your username. I realize this can be a frustrating experience, but you can help improve Wikipedia by providing information to update the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching article; its just that it can get a bit touchy for someone with a direct association with the subject.  Your contributions are welcome, and other editors with more experience (than me) can provide assistance as far as procedures (etc.) are concerned. ~Thanks, ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 21:05, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * My suggestion is:  first, change your username ;  second, place help me on your new talk page ;  and then explain your situation to the responding editor(s). ~''Thanks again, ~E : 74.60.29.141 (talk) 21:26, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I have no doubt that Jake means well and is simply following the instructions of his supervisors, but he (and they) should be fully aware that saying the article is "my companies page" and "our page" is wrong. It is Wikipedia's page, so Jake's employer has absolutely no control or authority over it. (By the way, it's "company's", not companies.) Although Jake's account has been blocked because of the inappropriate name, he should follow the good advice by the administrator on his talk page: "Once you've got an account with an acceptable name, you are welcome to suggest improvements to the article on its talk page, as long as you fully disclose your own conflict of interest when you do so." --76.189.103.146 (talk) 22:06, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, and Admin help would have been a better suggestion (above). ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 22:25, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I uploaded a new image for you. It can't go on commons because the new one is copyright. The colour is off and it seems a little wide. Can you provide a link to a better image and I can replace it for you. File:Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching logo.png is the file.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:50, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I fixed it. Let us know if it is the correct image, size, shape, colour, etc. Very easy to fix in GIMP.--Canoe1967 (talk) 23:05, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Citing Emails
Is it possible to cite emails on Wikipedia? I got an email from a company and I would like to use it as a reference in an article.--Dom497 (talk) 20:12, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * E-mails are not a reliable source so cannot be used as references.--ukexpat (talk) 20:17, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * (ec):Not directly. Only material publised in a reliable source can be cited, so in the case of emails they can only be used as sources if they have been published on a website, in a news article, book, etc. in which case you actually cite the book, newspaper, magazine article, web page... Roger (talk) 20:21, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * But its from the comapny.--Dom497 (talk) 20:34, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Please take a look at the opening words of WP:RS: Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. - personal, unpublished, e-mails do not meet that definition.--ukexpat (talk) 20:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * The main problem with unpublished emails is verifiability. Wikipedia is based on already published content. Verifiability says: "Other people have to be able to check that you didn't just make things up." I'm not accusing you of making it up but Wikipedia has thousands of contributors, many of them vandals or less than stellar, and articles are not signed. We once had a Template:Cite email but it violated policy and was deleted (on my nomination) at Templates for deletion/Log/2007 April 19. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:56, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Article title change
Pat Farrell (Fianna Fáil)

Hi, this article needs to have its title changed because it is an attempt to politicize the person in question as the title identifies them in their Job in a political party that took place over 6 years 16 years ago. It is not pertinent to to the title and is addressed in the main body of the article in past career.

Many Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cianf (talk • contribs) 22:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * [Changed external link to wikilink]~:74.60.29.141 (talk) 22:09, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Moved to Pat Farrell (politician) per WP:MOSDAB. -- Jayron  32  23:20, 10 January 2013 (UTC)