Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 January 17

= January 17 =

Page creation
I just attempted to create a Wiki page (Photos to Space) and am probably missing something obvious, but how will I know once it's active? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveshurtleff (talk • contribs) 00:07, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * You have created a draft at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Photos to Space. Please take a look at WP:CORP - if the company doesn't meet those guidelines, I am afraid it does not meet Wikipedia's inclusion criteria.--ukexpat (talk) 00:42, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I have added a draft template with some information and a link to submit it for review, but it's currently unsuitable. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:59, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Looking for a block template
Do we have a block template for use on the talk pages of operators of misbehaving bots? Looking for something that would say "Sorry, but I've had to block your bot because it was misbehaving. Remember that this doesn't imply any wrongdoing on your part.  When the bot's fixed, let me know and I'll unblock it." I've looked through Template messages/User talk namespace without finding what I want; the only bot-related templates I can see are Uw-botblock (for unapproved bots; I'm asking about approved bots that are messing up) and Uw-botublock (for non-bots whose usernames include "bot"), not anything that I want. Nyttend (talk) 04:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I am not aware of such a template. I could create one for you if you like. I don't have the time to do it right now, but if you want me to create it for you, simply drop me a line on my talkpage with a reminder of what you want to have (and maybe a link to this help desk section) and I will see what I can do as soon as I come home again (in case nobody else has taken care of it by then). --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  09:44, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, I just created User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:Bot block message. Is that what you have in mind? If that's the case, then feel free to move the template out of my userspace and into template namespace (remember to move the doc subpage as well, if you want to retain it, although I think as an admin you have some button somewhere allowing you to move a page including its subpages in one sweep. Also, you need to adjust the template name in the documentation to the actual template name (without User:Toshio Yamaguchi/)). --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  12:39, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! After some tweaks, I moved it to Bot block message and have announced its creation at WP:AN.  Nyttend (talk) 14:04, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

How to block an editor
What single page does one go to for advice on beginning an action to block an editor? I went to WP:Requests for mediation/Guide, but was confronted with a notice stating "This Wikepedia page is outdated." Is there now a page that replaces this one? GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:34, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If you are asking how to block an editor when you are an administrator, you can see New admin school/Blocking. TBrandley (what's up) 04:41, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * [edit conflict] Is it a simple case, like vandalism, egregious personal attacks, or copyright violations? If so, go to WP:AIV.  If it's something that will need explaining, consider whether you've done your best to resolve the issue in other ways, such as explaining to the other editor that his actions are problematic.  If you've not done that, go do it.  If so, and if the other editor simply keeps going, you'll need either to ask an admin privately (best on the admin's talk page, although doing it by email is reasonable if you need to keep it private) or to go to WP:ANI.  Either way, lay out with links (diffs are best) the behavior that's led you to believe a block to be necessary, and be careful to say as little as possible that's not related to the dispute in question.  Finally, be careful not to overwhelm the page; WP:TLDR is good advice.  Nyttend (talk) 04:44, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you both. Can one of you handle the problem of the page above which bears the legend "This Wikepedia page is outdated" and refers the reader to the Talk Page, and yet there is nothing on the Talk Page to explain why the Project Page is outdated and where the searcher should go for information? GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:48, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I can't find any way to do this, short of modifying Update, and that would remove the notice from lots of pages where the talk page is helpful. In this case, note that the talk page is redirected somewhere else.  Nyttend (talk) 05:09, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * User:AGK is listed as chair of the Mediation Committee, so he's probably the person you want to talk to, GeorgeLouis. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 09:08, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

What is good practice to ask a question if there seemed to be no answer?
Should I ask the question again and again or ask in different pages where someone might be interested?--Inspector (talk) 05:20, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * What question do you need answered? -- Jayron  32  05:35, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I wonder if Inspector is referring to this question? Maproom (talk) 09:41, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * It has been answered. Forum shopping when you don't like the answers that have been given, is frowned upon here on WP. Roger (talk) 16:07, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I mean the Tokugawa Ieyasu one: Reference desk/Humanities I had asked a wider question about Tokugawa Ieyasu once before in the Humanities desk and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan, also. --Inspector (talk) 00:05, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Link on page
I had my acct blocked for adding the link to our group Demo the waldo to this page in addition to Save the Waldo. Waldo Hotel

Both links were removed and I was told that links were not allowed as it was advertising.

Now someone else evidently has logged in and edited the page adding savethewaldos link back.

I edited the content using a link to a recent artical in our newspaper that is a reference to recent information on the buildings condition. However I did not add a link to our activist group Demo The Waldo because I didnt want my acct blocked again.

Im asking if they are allowed to link to the group that is for reviving the building a link to the group that wishes to have it razed also should be allowed, or neither should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.76.38.179 (talk) 05:50, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I have removed the duplicate and unsourced material.--ukexpat (talk) 14:18, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

20 millions miles to earth
Venus not Uranus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.110.101.183 (talk) 11:40, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I guess you refer to 20 Million Miles to Earth. Somebody has rewritten the plot section and changed Uranus to Venus. Thanks for telling us. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:06, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

WIKIPEDIA PAGE OF RAFAEL SERRANO
Page I want help with:

Rafael Serrano

Rafael Serrano’s Wikipedia page is currently displaying the message: “This article appears to be written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by rewriting promotional content from a neutral point of view and removing any inappropriate external links. (November 2012)”

'''All of the information provided in the article is true and accurate. In order to remove this banner I have found some very useful articles to be used as citations.'''

1.	Rafael purchased the 125 year lease of Admiralty Arch, the Grade I listed entrance to the Mall, from the UK Government in October 2012. Admiralty Arch is the first major building to be sold by the Government, part of austerity measures to rationalise their property portfolio and raise funds for the Exchequer.[citation needed] http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9a01ff80-1df1-11e2-8e1d-00144feabdc0.html http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/news/government-leases-historic-admiralty-arch

2.	Rafael Serrano started his career in 1991 at JP Morgan as an Investment Banker in Capital Markets and International Fund Management, Rafael spent three years in London before moving to the offices on Wall Street, New York. On his return to the UK in 2002, he became the Managing Director of Focus Investment Group, Europe, an investment management company.[citation needed] http://www.thecorner.eu/2012/07/londons-admiralty-arch-spanish-owned-hotel-buckingham-palace/

It is in our interest to remove this banner as soon as possible. Please advise me on how I can assist in presenting the article from a neutral point of view.''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prime Investors (talk • contribs) 12:03, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I fixed the advertising problems. If Serrano acquired only the lease to the building, the UK did not actually sell the building as the article states. Also, are you sure that, since its formation in 1707, the U.K. has never leased/sold a major government building until Serrano came along in 2012? That would be a very impressive accomplishment! -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:20, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Nice work as always. I am wondering about the page title - not sure whether it should be Rafael Serrano, Rafael Serrano Quevedo or Rafael Quevedo (entrepreneur) . Thoughts?--ukexpat (talk) 17:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Code for a character in math formula using TeX
What is the code to generate an exclamation mark (!) in a math formula using TeX markup? I checked Help:Displaying a formula but can't seem to find it there. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  12:04, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, I just looked at factorial and found that I just have to add ! inside the TeX markup. Sometimes things can be really easy.... --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  12:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Article on: Pathological demand avoidance - Reference to Dr Judith Gould
Article on: Pathological demand avoidance - Reference to Dr Judith Gould

The blue link for Dr Judith Gould is incorrect. If Dr Gould's name is clicked on it goes to a totally different Judith Gould who appears to be a US novelist.

Pathological demand avoidance — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.223.2.173 (talk) 12:59, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I've changed the link to point to Judith Gould (psychologist), although that article does not currently exist. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:08, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Reliable Source
From where & how I can get reliable sources? for an article, titled "Imaam Siddiqui" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sajidkhan4u (talk • contribs) 13:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello there! There's a help page at Identifying reliable sources which goes into some detail as to the kinds of source Wikipedia holds to be reliable, and how to go about finding them.  Please be aware, however, that reliable sources don't just appear like magic waiting for us to cite them.  They need to have been written by real people who have real jobs as scholars, journalists, academics, etc.  There's a rather significant possibility that no such sources exist about a particular subject.  For example, my life has never been the subject of a well-researched and edited biography by a well respected scholar.  So, insofar as source may exist, the page I linked above should help you know how to recognize them.  However, you should be prepared for the possibility that the sources may not actually exist.  -- Jayron  32  14:14, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * For Imaam Siddiqui, there does not appear to be much in English language reliable sources: Google archives However, "Imam Siddique" seems to bring up more information. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:29, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, however, there is no requirement that sources have to be in English. Sources from any language which meet the guidance at Identifying reliable sources are just fine.  If such sources do exist in English, it would be good to use them, but if such sources only exist in other languages, that's fine too.  -- Jayron  32  14:34, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I originally meant to explain something along those lines, but forgot to include something about it by the time I finished writing the above. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:27, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Infobox templates
Template:Infobox artwork doesn't allow for a website if a piece of art has an official one. Template:Infobox ice hockey player doesn't allow for a signature/autograph. I added them to The Drop (sculpture) and Wayne Gretzky if someone wants two pages to test. They are both entered at the bottom of the two infoboxes.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think we should be adding signatures for any living or recently dead person, the risk of a signature being used fraudulently or for identity theft is too great.--ukexpat (talk) 17:53, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Most famous people have them in their articles. I just checked Bill Gates and he has one. The commons has a big warning template about illegal use.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:35, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * That doesn't mean it's a good idea. I can see the encyclopedic value in having the signatures of, say, the founding fathers, but Bill Gates and Wayne Gretsky?--ukexpat (talk) 03:52, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. The sculpture article actually has more info than its website and the link to Gretzky in commons images has his signature if anyone really wants to see it. Btw, if you every come to Edmonton bring an accurate map and GPS because 80% of the streets are named after him here. Gets really confusing.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:50, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * My comments above were directed solely to your signatures question. If a work of art has an external link that meets the guidelines at WP:ELYES, I don't see any reason why it should not be in the ibox, so you should probably make a request to that effect at Template talk:Infobox artwork.--ukexpat (talk) 21:50, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Electro Technical Officer
please help me to keep this article(Electro Technical Officer)..i dont know how to correct this thing..i tried a lot but nothing working..so please help...

thanking you

G Navin Nair — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navingnair (talk • contribs) 17:55, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * It's a clear copyvio of http://www.marineinsight.com/careers-2/career-of-electro-technical-officer-on-ship/ so you will have to rewrite it in your own words.--ukexpat (talk) 18:00, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Chip Kelly
Hello,

You are pretty up to date on your information on former Ducks coach/now Philly Eagles coach Chip Kelly but you keep leaving out that he was married from 1992-1999.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.165.17 (talk) 17:58, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * ❌ I'm unable to find any evidence of this. Please cite your source. —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 20:04, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * ESPN says exactly the opposite. From http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8734011/do-fbs-coaches-usc-lane-kiffin-need-perfect-home-lives-success-espn-magazine "Oregon's Chip Kelly, the only current FBS coach who has never married, continues to succeed, garnering interest from the NFL, where 30 of 32 coaches have wives."

Citing findarticles.com
I've noticed FindArticles no longer works and any citation to a weblink on it is now dead and bounces straight to search.com's search page. This affects a substantial amount of articles. What options do we have to resolve this? Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)   21:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I checked Wayback Machine— FindArticles had robots.txt set to not allow archives. You will have to search and find the articles elsewhere. For example, Irish Rebellion of 1641 references Noonan, Kathleen M. "Martyrs in Flames: Sir John Temple and the conception of the Irish in English martyrologies*". Albion, June, 2004. A search of the title finds it at . --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. Is there anything else we can we do about the now-dead references in articles, other than hope that editors come across them? Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   22:17, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You can use Special:LinkSearch to locate use in articles. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:38, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * A handy tool for identifying and repairing dead-links (from Wayback or WebCite) is Checklinks  ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 03:19, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * But both honor websites that don't allow archiving, so they are not useful here. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:18, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Adding a picture
I'm not sure how to add a photo to an article.

I put one on before with some help from a friend but can't remember how we did it. Besides that, you folks deleted it anyway because you didn't know who owned it.

The picture I want to post is from a baseball card...its public domain. Am I going to have problems?

Will — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wllmlos (talk • contribs) 23:32, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Unless your baseball card is very old, it is probably not in the public domain. I recommend you ask at WP:IMAGEHELP for advice on the copyright.  RudolfRed (talk) 03:29, 18 January 2013 (UTC)