Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 January 2

= January 2 =

Zamor is not only an artist, he is also a philosopher and historian
I work with the edition of the Zamor's pages in English, French, Italien and Spanish. However I found a little problem with the Url nomination to distinguish another Zamor. Here is the problem: In French, Italien and Spanish, the URL to his page is http://(es)(it)(fr)wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamor But in the English version is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZAMOR (ZAMOR is writen in capitals).

Or, the other one Zamor, Louis Benedict, is "Zamor" in English version (writen in lower case). I would like to work in the translation and advanced research about Louis Benedict Zamor, but is necessary to unify the URL. To "Zamor Guillerm" is necessary to put his name in lower case in the URL, to harmonize the set of the differents wikipedia languages To "Zamor, Louis Benedict" to put his name in capitals in the URL to continue like that in the new translations.

Thanks for your regards --Virg38 (talk) 03:27, 2 January 2013 (UTC) [] --


 * I have moved the article to Zamor (artist), added a hatnote to it, and moved the redirection to Zamor (disambiguation).
 * Please note the following points that will help you in working in English:
 * The usual English phrases for "majuscule" and "minuscule" are "capitals" (or "upper case") and "lower case". The French words exist in English, but many English speakers may not understand them.
 * It is not customary in English to write surnames (noms) in capitals. Usually it does not matter, but here it has created a problem.

-- I's sorry but I'n not agree with the category "artist" included in the Url of Zamor, because he is not only an artist, he is also a philospher, writer and historian. He is largest known by "Zamor" than "Louis Benedict Zamor", and this one is his URL in the other languages, I suggest to lets in capitals like it was before (ZAMOR) or write only "Zamor", replacing to "Louis Benedict Zamor" the french revolutionary. Thanks. I think I make a mistake in the page itself and maybe here, erasing your "resolved". I'm sorry if that is not correct, but I didn't know how to do otherwise. --Virg38 (talk) 21:57, 2 January 2013 (UTC) --
 * It isn't a category, it's a disambiguation. See WP:DISAMBIGUATION.  216.93.234.239 (talk) 23:37, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

-- I'm still not agree with this "disambiguation". But I see that you don't want to accept the real reason of the discussion. I insist, Zamor is not only an artist, he is also a philospher, writer and historian. He is better known as "Zamor" than "Louis Benedict Zamor", and "Zamor" is the URL's wikipedia in the other languages. I suggest to lets in capitals like it was before (ZAMOR) or write only "Zamor", replacing to "Louis Benedict Zamor" the page from the french revolutionary. --Virg38 (talk) 16:48, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ fixed the disambig. ;)  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 08:56, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Actualy, French Wikipedia also has ZAMOR redirect – see fr:ZAMOR. --CiaPan (talk) 09:31, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Website infobox
I'm creating an article and can't find a template for a website infobox. I know it exists, because I saw it while editing The Oatmeal's page, but I can't find it. Help? HunterLeeLogan (talk) 04:43, 2 January 2013 (UTC)HunterLeeLogan
 * Infobox website ;)    ~ 74.60.29.141 (talk) 05:16, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Auto archive
I can't remember how to set up auto archive for a talk page. I'm not sure if copying it from my talk page will do it or not. If someone can link me and/or set it up for Talk:List of supporters of same-sex marriage in the United States, probably 90 days. Thanks, C T F 8 3 !  05:37, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅, see Help:Archiving a talk page for the code you need. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:39, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! C T F 8 3 !  11:02, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Wiki TABLES -- no info on certain Help pages
These Help pages. . ..


 * Help:Table/Introduction to tables
 * Help:Table/Manual tables

. . . . have unique and applicable content (with respect to their titles), however, these other Help pages:


 * Help:Table/Sortable tables
 * Help:Table/Table placement
 * Help:Table/Colour
 * Help:Table/Collapsible tables
 * Help:Table/Other formatting

all have the same text (that is not related to their titles). What's up with that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpha-60 (talk • contribs) 09:16, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Help:Table/Introduction to tables looks like a work in progress that was copied from Help:Introduction to referencing/1. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 09:35, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * The question is copied from Help desk/Archives/2012 December 20 which also has an answer. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:12, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I have taken the liberty of making your question more readable by reformatting it, turning the internet urls into Wikilinks. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:31, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Policy on "City, Country" where the city is well-known?
I seem to recall having once seen discussion on this topic but I don't know if it ever became policy and I can't find it in the MOS so pointers would be appreciated. What I'm asking about is whether we have some agreement on it being always, or not always, necessary to specify that Tokyo is in Japan, London in England, Berlin in Germany and Washington DC in the USA, and so on for other significant world cities. What I think I remember seeing is something saying that with a mixture of common sense and linking you can sometimes just say Berlin and the people who don't know where that is can click the word and find out ... you don't always have to say Berlin, Germany which seems clunky and reads badly for some of us, at least. :) Please note that with the greatest of respect I am not asking what your opinion is of this subject - that's a different question! - but whether you know where it is documented as policy, essay, project guideline or whatever. Even if that policy contradicts my belief, and says no, you must always say Berlin, Germany, then that is still the information I am hoping to read: what (if anything) have we already discussed and, I hope, decided about this? Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 11:18, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I only know Naming conventions (geographic names) which is about article names and not links from other articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:37, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * While technically that section is about article titles, in fact it's a pretty sound guide to our practice in general. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  17:26, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes! Thank you both very much. That's very helpful, and does pretty much cover the topic in which I'm interested. I hadn't realized that it actually says up at the top "This page describes conventions for determining the titles of Wikipedia articles on places and for the use of place names in Wikipedia articles." (my italics) which of course does make it pretty much where I wanted to be looking. Thanks again and best wishes DBaK (talk) 20:27, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

correct format for adding content
I added content to a biography, but did not preceed it with a "bullet." How do I add that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trey7 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I see that you've found that a bullet is produced by starting the line with an asterisk. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:35, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

How do I find articles belonging to two specific categories of my choice?
Let's say I need to find American authors who died in 1941. I need to look for those articles which are both in the category "American novelists" and "1941 deaths". How do I do that? Is this possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.190.83.221 (talk) 17:00, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Could this be of some help to you, perhaps? WikiPuppies  bark dig 17:08, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Add a link
On the Barry County, MO, page that you have listed, you should add the Barry County, MO, GenWeb page. I see that you have done that sort of thing for other counties in other areas.

The link for Barry County, MO is given here below.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mobarry/barry.htm

You have the genealogy society listed which is a page on the Barry County web site - but the society doesn't run and are not connected to the Barry County GenWeb site.

I created the Barry site and gave the society one page of the 12,000 or more pages I have listed. That one page you listed is in link form. All this seems rather odd since I created the site and gave that one page to the society. So I am asking that you add the link for Barry County, MO GenWeb as well as the society link.

Thank you for your help concerning this important issue.

Donna Cooper, Coordinator & Administrator - Barry County, MO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.151.62.70 (talk) 18:42, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I have replaced the link with yours: I agree that it was inappropriate to link to the site of a society that happens to be connected with the county. I am dubious actually whether either link is appropriate for an encyclopaedia article, but I have given the more general one the benefit of the doubt. I do not agree that this is an important issue, and in fact I would describe it as trivial. --ColinFine (talk) 23:45, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Sweden Democrats politically biased moderation
the swedish page for the far right former nazi party Sweden Democrats seems to be biasedly moderated. In particular, the situation concerning the SD forbidding the use of nazi uniforms within the party after being caught on camera in nazi uniforms has been banned from the page, allowing only mention of 'uniforms' being banned. There are further cases of biased moderating on that page and suggest that a non-swedish party monitor it.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/09/12/magasinet/politikk/utenriks/sverige/sverigedemokraterna/13277818/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.195.55.193 (talk) 18:45, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia articles are not "moderated". In most cases, including this one, anyone can edit them. You have twice added a commentary on the way the article is written to the top of the article itself. That is definitely not the right place for such a commentary; the article's talk page would be more appropriate. Your commentary has, quite properly, been removed from where you have put it. Maproom (talk) 23:29, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The English Wikipedia has no oversight on the Swedish Wikipedia. They are independent of one another. Have you tried the Swedish admin noticeboard? Livewireo (talk) 16:14, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Editing references
I would like to edit and existing reference list. Update current information and add in references. What is the best way to go about doing so? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.Lieberman (talk • contribs) 19:18, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Does referencing for beginners help?--ukexpat (talk) 19:21, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It really depends on which page. Different editors use different methods. Some pages are nice and tidy; others, however... ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 20:00, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Dope mustard
User talk:Dope mustard

Hello,

I believe this page was made in regards to me quite a while ago and I would like it deleted as it is childish slander and has no value educationally.

Thank you for your help in this matter.

≈≈≈≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.176.223 (talk) 22:03, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I've deleted User:Dope mustard as an attack page. I deleted the user talk page (slightly out of process) because it was 5 years old, and only had 2 templated warnings, both of which mention someone's real life name. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:26, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorting
Hi- I have a large collection of wikipedia pages saved as mht files. How can I sort them by a date or name on the page? -Thank you 96.233.181.233 (talk) 23:07, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know what an mht file is: do you mean html? In any case, if you want to sort files on your computer, you need to use the tools of your operating system. This is nothing to do with using Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 23:49, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * See MHTML, but I can't help with sorting.--ukexpat (talk) 01:29, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

What is wrong with this page?
When I try to edit a section of this page, no matter which section it is, I get the wrong section showing up in my edit box. I tried editing the last section and it doesn't exist, I tried editing the one before that and the one before that, and none of those exists. I have reloaded the page and press F5, and yet I cannot find the correct sections. 216.93.234.239 (talk) 23:29, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hm. Now it seems to be working.  216.93.234.239 (talk) 23:30, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Reloading the page should have helped. If you have a page open, and someone else adds an intervening section, the edit links will temporarily point to the wrong section. Happened to me this morning. Reloading the page normally fixes it. I wonder if one of your reloads, simply reloaded from cache, instead of getting the latest version? It has gone away, so probably not worth pursuing. Let us know if it is chronic.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  21:41, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Can this articles on this celebrities say that they Russian, Ukraine, Italian born or origin
Milla Jovovich Mila_Kunis Danny_Nucci are all overseas born celebrities. Shouldn't their articles say Russian-born, Italian-born or whatever? Venustar84 (talk) 23:50, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The articles already state their place of birth. I am confused about what you find ambiguous.  -- Jayron  32  01:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * This is a global encyclopaedia. We don't write from the perspective of just one country. The named people may be "overseas born" to some, but they may be locals to others. HiLo48 (talk) 02:04, 3 January 2013 (UTC)


 * If you refer to the opening sentence then Manual of Style/Biographies says: "previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability." PrimeHunter (talk) 02:03, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I just noticed one became a citizen in 1994. I had to search though the text to find it though. Would it be out of line to add it to the infobox? Nationality American (1994)--Canoe1967 (talk) 02:21, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably. It isn't really vital for the infobox to note exactly when and how they became an American.  That it is covered in the article text is fine.  -- Jayron  32  02:25, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, so this about becoming American but not starting out that way. I knew some sort of -centrism was at play. Might have been better if someone had clarified that at the start. "Overseas" is so dependent on perspective. All Americans come from overseas as far as I'm concerned. HiLo48 (talk) 02:30, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * And yet, oddly, someone was able to help the OP. -- Jayron  32  02:40, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Not all Americans. The Canadians we send by dogsled, not ocean liners.--Canoe1967 (talk) 03:00, 3 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Not odd at all Jayron. It was someone from the same overseas part of the world, with the same perspective as the OP. The query would still be unclear for someone from another overseas place with a different perspective if I hadn't clarified it. HiLo48 (talk) 05:33, 3 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know if this is derived from the Ukrainian member of parliament who is enraged that Mila Kunis dares to call herself Ukrainian, since she is, horrors, Jewish, but I hope not. 216.93.234.239 (talk) 23:35, 3 January 2013 (UTC)