Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 January 22

= January 22 =

How do I delete a picture that has been used on other wiki pages?
I uploaded a photo in 2009 and it has been used on other wiki pages since. The person in the photo contacted me today asking I take it down. I am trying but I can't figure out how to since it's linked to other pages. Any help would be appreciated. The link to the page is here. That is the picture I am trying to take down. http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Bernier  01:24, 22 January 2013 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebudman623 (talk • contribs)
 * If I understand this correctly, it's your photography, you uploaded it, and now you want to take it back?&mdash;Kww(talk) 01:31, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * When you uploaded the image to Wikipedia, you agreed to license it under This license. The subject of the photo does not own the copyright, you do; and since you licensed it CC-BY-SA 3.0 unported.  Item 3 is relevent, where it states that the license is perpetual, that is once you have applied the license, there are no "takebacks".  -- Jayron  32  02:05, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe it could be replaced, right?   ~:74.60.29.141 (talk) 02:39, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If you have a better picture, you could update it. That won't really get rid of the old one, and we would be free to use the old one if we preferred it.&mdash;Kww(talk) 02:46, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * What KWW said. If you have a higher-quality picture, feel free to upload it and replace the current uses with it.  Of course, the old one would still exist and Commons and be free to use under the CC-BY-SA license, but if your new picture was a lot better quality, then people wouldn't need to use the older one.  -- Jayron  32  05:15, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Upset
i am on my mother's computer,and i have tried to explain myself to others.if wikipedia does not want the information i understand,then this is my last times on wikipedia!i have tried for months to explain very complicated subject matters,and you have rejected everything i have written.if you can prove anything i have written is false,or incorrect,please prove me wrong!if get no answer ,this is my last attempt to give knowledge here freely!i am upset because you never proved anything i have written is false.please give me an answer to why you reject everything with no proof i was wrong!i give up on this useless idea that could share knowledge on this web site.mister shannon ray blake.................p.s.  aleast prove the information i gave was false,or prove this web site to useless typing,and a waist of my time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shannonrayblake (talk • contribs)
 * Hello Shannonrayblake. I am sorry to hear you are upset.  Unfortunately, one thing you need to know about Wikipedia is that it isn't anyone else's job to prove that your information is false.  Instead, it is the writer's responsibility to make certain that all information they add is verifiable by citing their reliable sources.  If you think about it, under your standard of "prove that it is false", that would mean that anyone could write anything at all at Wikipedia, even if it was false, and it would never be removed.  That doesn't make sense.  Understand, when information is removed from Wikipedia, it isn't because anyone is claiming that you aren't writing truthful things.  It has absolutely nothing to do with that.  Instead, things need to be backed up so anyone could check up on what is written here.  I hope that helps.  -- Jayron  32  05:11, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Information getting reverted.
Hey everyone. I have been a Wikipedia user for many many years, and thought it would be a good opportunity to at this time to contribute my knowledge and times to various subjects I love. I thought I would update some pages on several actors/actresses that are available here on Wikipedia but don't have much information. Most of the information I am pulling is from IMDB, however, it keeps getting rejected for not having "valid sources." Would several online interviews be sources enough? All I am doing is getting occupation information, what show they are known from, and any other little tidbits I can find that can be found online (most actors on wikipedia have this information), but alas, it keeps getting reverted. Any help would be appreciate on what Im doing wrong. I keep getting warnings, but I have nothing but good intentions. I'm just trying to put some more meat on these bare bone pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IDepth (talk • contribs)
 * Hey back atcha IDepth. Sorry your running into some problems; the deal with IMDB is that large portions of it is unvetted user-generated content.  Some of IMDB is professionally written, but really, it's a complete hodgepodge, and the less well known an actor is, the greater chance that a large portion of the text at IMDB about them is going to be sketchy.  So IMDB as a source has two major problems.  First, for any actor for which it may have professionally written, well edited, trustworthy stuff, there already exists good information from other, even better sources.  Second, for any actor whose only information exists on IMDB, and nowhere else, it's probably not that reliable.  That's why Wikipedia generally doesn't count IMDB as a reliable source for Wikipedia article text.  In general, if an actor is only known through IMDB, and no other source, they may not qualify for an article at Wikipedia anyways.  Does that help?  -- Jayron  32  05:06, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * A little further explanation: IMDb publishes user-generated information, as does Wikipedia (I've submitted some items myself). One difference however, is that unlike WP, IMDb requires moderation before submitted information is published.  Nevertheless, for specific information it is not considered reliable.  There might be guidelines somewhere concerning using IMDb - you'll notice that many WP movie articles cite IMDb for some of the basic information, and there is even a series of IMDb templates. Maybe there is an IMDb "do's-and-don'ts" guideline somewhere (?).  [oops - see link above] ~:74.60.29.141 (talk) 08:46, 22 January 2013 (UTC): modified:74.60.29.141 (talk) 08:49, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * You are correct many articles do use IMDb - but that is a problem that will have to be addressed at each article. Basically  if reliable published sources do not include the information that you have found only at IMDb, then that information is—by definition—not important enough to include.Moxy (talk) 08:54, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Image question
File:Blackpool Tower Being Renovated September 2012.jpg shows fine when you look at it, but selecting full resolution shows the image at an angle...Is that normal? Thanks ツ Je no va  20  (email) 09:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I tweaked the image a little in Photoshop, and it displays properly now. The changes may not showing up at the moment, maybe because of the impending move of the data center.--ukexpat (talk) 16:25, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That looks much better! Still displays sideways though...will that fix itself over time? Thanks ツ Je no va  20  (email) 16:36, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I would give it a few days until the move is over and any bugs worked out then we can look at it again. BTW seeing the tower brought back many happy childhood memories of trips to see the Illuminations, so thanks for that!--ukexpat (talk) 16:44, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No problemo. If only it wasn't under maintenance when i visited then there would be a better photo and no scaffolding! Thanks for the hard work you put in! There's a few more Blackpool pier photos in my uploads folder if that interests you. ツ Je no va  20  (email) 16:56, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

IRISH DEFENCE FORCES VETERANS UK (International)
Dear Sir/Ms, Is it possible for us the IDFVUK (IRISH DEFENCE FORCES VETERANS U.K. INTERNATIONAL) to have a mention on your Veteran page. The IDFVUK has been in operating in the UK since 2oo6. IDFVUK INTERNATIONAL has world wide members Europe,Middle East,Far East and USA.Persons eligible to join are those who served in any capacity of the IRISH FORCES.(PDF,RDF,Red Cross, Or Garda Siochana. Eligible persons who belong to other Military associations world-wide will be accepted to join by virtue of there service to there state.this appliction need not affect their current status within their own choice of associations.

All applications will be responded to with a decision of acceptance or rejection with reasons if applicable and an explanation of how that decision was made. The IDFVUK(International) is a association for UNITY OF VETERANS and association of like-minded persons for male & female members. Further details ; from First/Officer Edward Bell,  E/Mail-- (Redacted)     PLEASE LOOK AT OUR WEB SITE ON FACEBOOKIDFVUK  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.230.170 (talk) 12:14, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm guessing you mean List of veterans' organizations. The answer is that items should appear in list articles in Wikipedia only if they have, or could have, an article of their own in Wikipedia, which in turn depends on whether they pass the criterion for notability: in short, if multiple independent reliable sources have written about them. So if there have been substantial pieces written about your organisation in newspapers or books, for example (not just listing of meetings, and not in your own publication), then there could be an article in Wikipedia about it, and it could appear in the list article. But your information about how applications are made suggests that you are thinking about a directory and not an encyclopaedia entry: that would not be appropriate here. --ColinFine (talk) 16:11, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * "...that items should appear in list articles in Wikipedia only if they have, or could have, an article of their own in Wikipedia..." - this isn't true. See WP:List and associated pages. Rmhermen (talk) 07:49, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Counting the number of days since placement of a template
Is there a template (or another piece of markup) I could add to a template to count the number of days that have passed since the template was placed on a page? Or can I achieve that a template changes color after a specific number of days have passed or that some message appears in the template? The template where I want to implement this is this one. I know that I can use the July 2024 to produce the current month and current year. Is there something similar to count the number of days that have elapsed since the template was placed on a page? --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  12:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You could look at Proposed deletion/dated. It counts 7 days after it is placed then puts up a new message to say the 7 day waiting period has expired.  GB fan 12:26, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that seems to be exactly what I need. I will experiment with it a bit. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  12:37, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Can i delete page of organisation (company page)?
There is a page of the company, with the name of the company. There is a war or changes, and many negative text from one source, impossible to remove negative text, it has one source from news portal. Question: Is it possible to delete the entire page of the company? Or, is it possible to delete a page by sending an official request from the company to delete the page? Mihailkorni (talk) 14:20, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Technically, it's possible. However, if the company in question meets the notability requirements and the article has sufficient references, it's not likely to be deleted. Wikipedia is not censored; if negative information about a company has been published elsewhere in reliable sources, Wikipedia is expected to include it - it should be neutrally phrased and suitably balanced, but it should be in the article. If the company doesn't like it, I'm afraid that's just tough - Wikipedia doesn't exist to promote their interests. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:26, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If you could tell us what article you are talking about, and what information is false, we might be able to help you clean it up. Have you addressed these issues on the talk page of the article? -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  16:35, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Please let us know which article you are talking about.--ukexpat (talk) 16:34, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Chris Anstey Google search
When googling "Chris Anstey", the front page suggests that his spouse is Linley Frame, although they have been divorced for 6 years. His spouse is Ilsa Wakeling. Would anyone be able to amend this please as I am a close friend and know this bothers them. Regards, and thank you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisanstey13 (talk • contribs) 14:36, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid you'll have to ask Google to fix that, as they are not getting that information from the Wikipedia article. The Chris Anstey Wikipedia article does not mention Linley Frame, and has never done so - neither of these words appears anywhere in its history. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:58, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid you'll have to ask Google to fix that, as they are not getting that information from the Wikipedia article. The Chris Anstey Wikipedia article does not mention Linley Frame, and has never done so - neither of these words appears anywhere in its history. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:58, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I have reverted your recent edit for two reasons: First, it was inappropriate per WP:BLP and second that infobox template is not coded with a "spouse" parameter.--ukexpat (talk) 16:30, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I can understand your confusion. Google has a recent feature where the right side of searches sometimes shows information collected from both Wikipedia and other unnamed sources. The Wikipedia part ends at " Wikipedia ". For example, the search first shows the start of the Wikipedia article Chris Anstey, and later claims "Spouse: Linley Frame" with an unnamed source. I'm not sure how to fix such Google errors but I have an idea. I clicked "Feedback / More info" below the data. This enabled me to click "Wrong" at the spouse field, but it still says Linley Frame in a new search. Maybe Google removes it if enough people say it's wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:21, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Schola Latina Universalis
I note that there is a proposal to remove the article on the Schola Latina Universalis, based on what appears to be inaccurate information about its current status. Someone claims that this is 'only a website' - whichi is nonsense. This year we have a large number of students following the on-line latin course, and the problem seems to be a failure to realise that this is the same thing as the Schola Romano-Latina and/or the Sermo Latinus course. The students on this course do not pay any fees, the tutors provide support entirely free of charge and in their own time as volunteers and the only cost involved is that of purchasing a book which is not sold by the Schola and is widely available via Amazon.

Another reason for the proposed deletion seems to be that the only source cited is a magazine called 'Melissa'. why not cite the Schola's website, not to mention the recent reference in the UK journal 'Current Archaeology' for December 2012 (in the section called 'Odd socs' which appears on the final page - I think it's page 50.Originalfemaletenor (talk) 14:57, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The place to discuss the deletion proposal is at Articles for deletion/Schola Latina Universalis, not here. Neither the number of students, nor the commercial or non-commercial status, nor anything whatever published on the organisation's own website is of relevance. Please read Notability (organizations and companies), which makes it quite clear that Wikipedia may have an article about an organisation only if that organisation has been the subject of substantial coverage in reliable sources independent of the organisation. --ColinFine (talk) 16:17, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

New Article
Hi, I am wondering are than any filmography databases for information about a movie source, I am trying a new article, and trying to create an article by copying and pasting from other movie articles to build this new article, and I am wondering are there any records of movie films and castings to build the article I am creating, thanks.--Oh goes the waterhole (talk) 15:13, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Try and avoid too much cut & pasting, if wikipedia has it once, do something different, www. IMDB.com is sort of the movie industry standard on the web with loads of info which you should NOT cut & paste from. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:02, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Editing a page
How do I edit the Bank of the West page on Wikipedia? Bank of the west

I work for BOTW and would like to edit the copy, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dayerinc (talk • contribs) 19:17, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Per our conflict of interest policy, you really shouldn't edit it directly. Feel free to place suggestions at Talk:Bank of the West.&mdash;Kww(talk) 19:23, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You can use Request edit to attract attention to the suggestions. See more at FAQ/Organizations. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:04, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Blog images
A blogger has posted lot of 1 year old clicked photos of an existing temple on his blog. But i found no copyright by him anywhere. If i upload the photos, what tag do i give? Hometech (talk) 21:01, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * They are still copyrighted. The only way they wouldn't be copyrighted would be if you found a specific statement by him that he was releasing them.&mdash;Kww(talk) 21:06, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you prove it by a link to any policy? Hometech (talk) 21:20, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * "Copyright under the Berne Convention must be automatic; it is prohibited to require formal registration".&mdash;Kww(talk) 21:23, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Try WP:COPYOTHERS for starters, there's lots of links from there too. CaptRik (talk) 21:26, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

disambiguation
The name of the page is Edward Everett Dale. When you search from outside Wikipedia you get many Edward Dale. What can I put in (and where) so that searches for Edward Dale and Edward E. Dale also retrieve as an option Edward Everett Dale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hilyard (talk • contribs) 22:53, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Using the search box already returns Edward Everett Dale as the top choice when searching for Edward Dale.  We don't have any control over Google search results.  RudolfRed (talk) 23:09, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * However, I have created a redirect so that Edward Dale redirects to Edward Everett Dale. Once Google picks that page up (which we have no control over), that should improve. Note that I did this only because there do not appear to be any other Edward Dales in Wikipedia. If somebody writes an article about another one, this should either become a disambiguation page, or be replaced with the new article, and have a hatnote to Edward Everett Dale. --ColinFine (talk) 23:35, 22 January 2013 (UTC)