Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 July 20

= July 20 =

Interwiki merge
Can someone link Gare de Champbenoist-Poigny with the french article "Gare de Champbenoist - Poigny", thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 00:04, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅  ~ XapApp(Talk·Contribs) 01:30, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Problem user? Not sure where to take this
I've discovered a user who might be using WP to promote themselves. It's in a way that I'm not comfortable with just outright reverting all their edits (of which there are many) but I don't know where I'd get a second opinion. Where can I get a second opinion without opening a "formal case" (best words I can think of in this heat)? I don't want to make a big deal until I know a big deal needs to be made. I hope I'm being clear and not outing anyone unnecessarily. Thanks, Dismas |(talk) 00:14, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Maybe a good place to get a second opinion might be Third opinion. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  14:57, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Or better yet WP:COIN.  Mlpearc  ( powwow ) 15:09, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Hitler page uneditable?
Why can we not edit the Hitler wiki page?

There's fallacious information on it; particularly the part about him being vegetarian.

Please see in depth about why he wasn't: http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/hitler.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ketteringal (talk • contribs) 00:56, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The article at Hitler is semi-protected to keep it from vandalism. If you have an edit you would like to make you can post the exact change you want and then add edit semi-protected and another editor who can edit the article will look at it.  There's usually a backlog of requests, so it might take some time for a reply.  The part about Hitler following a vegetarian diet is cited to  reliable source, so you will need to find a source that supports your change (see that link for what qualifies as a reliable source.)  I don' think the page you link to qualifies, it looks like original research RudolfRed (talk) 02:20, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * RudolfRed omitted to say that you post your proposed change at the talk page, Talk:Hitler. --ColinFine (talk) 10:05, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * See also our whole, well referenced, article on Adolf Hitler and vegetarianism. New information from reliable sources is, of course, welcome.--Shantavira|feed me 08:52, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Searching image titles within a wikimedia category
Hi, just a basic usage question here that I can't figure out: finding an image via title keyword search within a specific wikimedia category.

I.e. Perhaps I am searching for File:001117 15-44-2002-To-grupper-rosa-Qajar-Fliser2.jpg, which has "Two panels of earthenware tiles" as its title.

Reading the help page for search syntax, entering this into the search box should return me at least that image as a result - intitle: tiles incategory: "Featured pictures on Wikimedia Commons"

But I get no results instead. What am I missing here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beamwire (talk • contribs) 01:47, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Are you searching in Wikipedia or in Commons? --ColinFine (talk) 10:07, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I have used the search box in both. No results for either. It's really difficult to know what I'm doing wrong re syntax when the search engine just keeps telling me the same thing. :) Beamwire (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:50, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I did searches without the "incategory" specification. At Wikipedia, the third article in the search results was one the above image is used: Here's the search


 * At Commons, the search on "Two panels of earthenware tiles" [without the quotation marks" did return exactly one result, pointing to the image you mentioned.


 * At Commons, the picture is in the category "Featured pictures of art", not the category you mention above. (And no, subcategories aren't included when you search on a specific category.) Also, I don't believe you can search directly, at the English Wikipedia, for Wikimedia Commons articles, so it wouldn't matter what category you used in your search. -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 03:35, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Proposing changes to results of a multiple use of a namedref?
The English language and the Chinese language wikipedias give different results when a source is used more than once using namedrefs. The English language version looks like

4 ^ a b c reference here.

The Chinese version looks like

4 ^ 4.0 4.1 4.2 reference here.

(with the a, b, c, 4.0, 4.1 and 4.2 superscripted and linked) Where would be the proper place to propose that the English language Wikipedia change to do this in the same manner that the Chinese language Wikipedia does? And is there any place to find out how each of the Wikipedias do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naraht (talk • contribs)
 * This is defined in MediaWiki:Cite references link many format. It defaults to:
 * $2
 * But in the English Wikipedia it is set to:
 * $3
 * Where:
 * $1 ref ID
 * $2 numeric value to use as a backlink
 * $3 custom value to use as a backlink as defined in MediaWiki:Cite references link many format backlink labels (currently a to azz)
 * This was modified in 2006 to match the output of ref which was the predominate method of inserting footnotes at the time. The default ↑ was changed to the caret ^ around the same time (defined in a different interface page). You can make a proposal at Village pump (proposals).
 * And you can use dummy backlink to create or
 * --  Gadget850talk 13:35, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Did you intend to post this at a different page? -- John Broughton (♫♫) 03:24, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No. I may have been verbose and a bit technical but thorough and to the point. Did something seem disconnected? --  Gadget850talk 03:36, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The question was unsigned so maybe John thought question and answer was a single edit from you. I have signed it now. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:48, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow, thank you all very much for the *complete* answer.Naraht (talk) 20:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Picture thumbnail doing weird stuff
I have a personalized Welcome template I use at User:Brambleclawx/wel. For the longest time, everything was fine. One day (it might have been when I switched monitors, I don't recall), I noticed it started displaying with a space under the message (above the C-Tables). I've no clue whether it's in my coding, due to my screen size, or related to the picture (I've noticed removing the pixture fixes the problem. Anybody know how to fix it? (should this be at the VPT, or here?)  Bramble claw  x  02:27, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks fine to me on my iPad. There's no space. Dismas |(talk) 03:14, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind. Appears to be my screen resolution/size. Changing resolution solves the issue for me. Anyone know if it's possible to prevent this from happening at any resolution. (I'm currently using 1920 x 1080)  Bramble claw  x  03:33, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Cite document - Unnecessary error message
In the article Foot (unit) the title of a book (Plan for Establishing Uniformity in the Coinage, Weights, and Measures of the United States) is wikilinked to a Wikipedia article and has a URL to the text of citation. Although this is in accordance with the documentation, the template has thrown out an error. Which is in error, the documentation or the template? I believe the template. Can someone please align template and documentation Martinvl (talk) 06:57, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * It is not in accordance with the documentation. Template:cite web says "title: Title of source page on website; can be wikilinked to an existing Wikipedia article or url may be used to add an external link, but not both. Displays in quotes." You are attempting to do both. --ColinFine (talk) 10:14, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Did the help page linked from the error message not explain this? --  Gadget850talk 12:43, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Issues about my Article
Hello Wikipedia I just wrote an article called Heart's Blood, a book by Juliet Marillier http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart%27s_Blood. The article had some issues and I am trying my best to sort them. There were issues about categories and referencing, which a very nice Kelapstick helped me out with. Now It has two other issues: Now I had previously given a reference to the book review website called goodreads.com. It was not an advertisement. I thought I will find wiki on goodreads. it was not there, so I added the external link, so that people can check out the book. Since the complain of 'advertisement' came,I removed the link. Adding to it, Kelapstick told me that the few lines sounded like a book review. So I deleted them too. I will like to now why wiki thinks this article still sounds like an advertisement. I will do the necessary to correct them.
 * 1) That the article sounds like an advertisement.


 * 1) second complain is regarding the tone. I have kept it as neutral as possible. So any advise on improving it is appreciated.

I just want to correct my article. This is not a complain. I value your reviews.

Regards Bigjala — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigjala (talk • contribs) 07:17, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I suggest that firstly you look at some other articles about books - for example Harry Potter, Fifty Shades of Grey, Much Ado About Nothing, War and Peace. In particular look at Harry  Potter as it is rated a WP:Good Article. Look at types of citations used and all the paraphernalia that surrounds the article.
 * Secondly, make what improvements you can and then remove the banners. Leave a courtesy note on the Talk Page of the editor who placed the banners asking whether (s)he is happy with the removal.  If they do not reply, then they are obviously happy.  Martinvl (talk) 09:00, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Martinvl (talk) 09:00, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The trouble is that "I think this is a really interesting/good/inventive book" is not enough reason for the book to have an article in an encyclopaedia. I doubt that this book meets the criteria for notability in WP:Notability (books): certainly the article you have written does nothing to suggest that it is notable. Unless you can find substantial discussions of the book in more than one independent reliable source (which does not include goodreads, since that is reader-generated), then there article will get deleted irrespective of its content. --ColinFine (talk) 10:26, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Deletion discussion at Articles for deletion/Heart's Blood - note that Goodreads is not a reliable source.--ukexpat (talk) 13:14, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikepedia states name in use
Hi, I have just started out on a music career and wish to place details aboaut myself. My name is Kris James but, when I try to create an account using any combination of my name, I see the message on the account signing-up page that this name is too close to an existing name. When I do a search for thie name, again in various combpnations i.k. Kris James, kris-james, etc., I see the message "this page does not exist". Either a page does, or it doesn't. How do I proceed from here? Thanks, Kris James — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.75.26 (talk) 09:40, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you may be confusing user accounts with articles. You have today, while logged in as User:Kris read, created an article Kris james. There is no article Kris James. In any case, you should not write an article about yourself, see Wikipedia's policy on conflict of interest. Maproom (talk) 09:48, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. It may not be used for any kind of promotion. If you have just started out on a music career, then Wikipedia should not have an article about you (see WP:UPANDCOMING). When your career has been noticed an written about by several newspapers, books etc., then there may be an article about you, but you should have no hand in writing it (see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY). You may create a account as a Wikipedia user, and on your userpage you may post personal information relating to you as a Wikipedia editor (but it should not contain very much about your non-Wikipedia activities such as your career). But even if you are a registered user, you should not contribute to articles about yourself except as advised in WP:Conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 10:35, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Recent changes tag filter and visual editor
Hi.

Edits done with VisualEditor are marked by "Tag : VisualEditor" in recent changes. however, i couldn't find a way to instruct recentchanges tag-filter to show me only edits done by VE. is it at all possible? does anyone know how? was this question asked before?

thanks, peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 14:11, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Probably best (re)asked at WP:VPT, where the techies hang out. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 03:01, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Write visualeditor in lower case at Special:RecentChanges. Tag names are case sensitive. You must write the precise tag name (first column) at Special:Tags, not the appearance. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:34, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! this is helpful. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 20:30, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Wide Table of contents
Hi

I've noticed that on articles that have been recently edited, the Table of Contents has changed to be the width of the full page.

The TOC used to be just as wide as the text within it
 * eg: Belvoir Castle, Duke of Rutland etc. -neither of which have been edited recently

But on articles that have been edited recently the TOC has gone as wide as the article page
 * eg: 666 Park Avenue, Blyth Priory, Welbeck Abbey, Matt Flynn (musician) etc. etc. etc.

This is not just a problem that is happening after I've edited... 3 of the 4 examples are articles that it has happened to but which I haven't edited.

So what's going on?! Is it another glitch from the awful visual editor thing? And can it be fixed?

Thanks --Rushton2010 (talk) 14:23, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * This glitch should put itself right if you bypass your browser cache - that's Ctrl-F5 in many browsers. The glitch is discussed here, and wasn't related to the visual editor. Post back here if that doesn't fix it. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:28, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

redirecting a page
I have put in a page for my late husband, Arnold Reisman. His ex-wife, Judith Reisman, redirected his former page to hers, thereby eliminating all his data. I don't understand how this was allowed in the first place and I do not want his page eliminated or redirected again. How can I prevent this from happening in the first place? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonyar (talk • contribs) 14:23, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The redirect was created by user:Limulus, who most definitely is not Judith Reisman. The previous article was deleted in 2010, see Articles for deletion/Arnold Reisman (2nd nomination) for the discussion that led to the deletion.  The new version that you created cannot survive as it stands, because it cites no sources for the information in it. Looie496 (talk) 15:42, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I've reverted the article back to the redirect due to the fact that it was a completely unsourced biography. (See WP:BLP)  After having read what you wrote about Mr. Reisman, he sounds like an interesting individual but does not seem to meet our notability requirements for an article of his own.  Dismas |(talk) 15:46, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Infobox in Almaguin Highlands article
I am not sure how to move the infobox so that appears in the same place as other infoboxes (at the top of the page on the right hand margin). I am sure it is a quick and easy fix, but the solution evades me.

Thank you
 * I fixed it. The solution is to make sure the info box template is the first thing on the page, followed by the article text.  RudolfRed (talk) 15:38, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Saving addition to site
Hello, I have added a link and some text several times, previewed, saved, but the changes aren't saved. What do I need to do? Pamelaphillipsartist (talk) 15:50, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Your history shows that you added one external link to Dave Phillips (maze designer), and it saved. Perhaps your browser is not showing the latest version. I fixed the link you added, btw.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:56, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello and thanks for your help. The description of the link should say "Dave Phillips Art homepage". Also I've hit refresh several times and I still don't see the text I added. It appeared in the preview. I hit save. Don't know what I'm doing wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pamelaphillipsartist (talk • contribs) 18:08, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I added "art", but I don't like "home page" as one word. Apparently, it can be spelled as one word or two, but I don't know the stats on which is preferred. As for the technical issue, what browser are you using? Do you see the changes you are making to this page?--Bbb23 (talk) 18:39, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for adding 'art'. I'm using explorer and I see the changes on this page. I'm going to try again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pamelaphillipsartist (talk • contribs) 18:58, 20 July 2013 (UTC) The changes I made are up! The other times I wrote the letters in the box, don't know what it's called, but it prevents spam, I believe. Maybe that was the problem. I also noticed an alert because the site had no sources. I have added sources which I hope will be enough to remove the alert. If the two sources aren't enough please let me know. Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pamelaphillipsartist (talk • contribs) 19:21, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * They're not sources, and I've removed them. Try reading WP:RS about reliable sources. Also, you need to be careful editing the article at all because you have an obvious conflict of interest.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:05, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand, after reading the link, why Dover Publications is not a reliable source of information for one of their most prolific authors. Also MaizeQest is a Pennsylvania company which has delivered hundreds of corn mazes, other kinds of mazes and games, for farms in the US, Canada and England, all created by Dave Phillips for many years. Do you need the names of the presidents of the companies? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pamelaphillipsartist (talk • contribs) 20:37, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * A source is something specific. For example, an online source has a URL so the user can click on it and see the source. An offline source, which is acceptable, has enough information in it to enable a user to locate the source. For example, you could source to a book, with the title, the author, the ISBN, and page number(s). What you put in is, forgive me, next to useless.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:54, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

OK, urls it is so people can click. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pamelaphillipsartist (talk • contribs) 22:53, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * URLs are helpful in citations, but they are not adequate because 1) the reader does not necessarily know without following the link what kind of information is in it (is it a book or newspaper? when published? who wrote it?) and 2) urls can rot, for example if the website moves. For that reason, citations should always contain other information. See WP:Referencing for beginners. --ColinFine (talk) 10:42, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Collapsible rows with a table
Hello, I am trying to fill out a table with ethnic groups for Plymouth. The UK census lists quite a lot of ethnic groups, which are grouped into five categories. I would like to make a table which lists only those five categories, but has the option to show the ethnic groups within each category, upon clicking. Here is how far I've gotten, but I don't know how to arrange it more neatly to look like a table. Thanks in advance.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  19:01, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Collapsed tables are not recommended for main article information. See MOS:COLLAPSE. They are allowed for nav boxes, but that is not main article text. They are allowed (but controversial, for infoboxes, although infoboxes should be redundant information). Neither of the latter two apply to this example.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  00:40, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think I'll bring this issue up with UK Geography wikiproject.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  01:08, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Chrome hanging on edit
Chrome started hanging on an edit. Everything else in Chrome seems to be working okay. Any ideas?

Paul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phanna23 (talk • contribs) 21:02, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's possible that it could be server lag at Wikipedia's end, but that usually causes slow load times, rather than hangs. If you are using Visual Editor, try the Edit Source option and see if that resolves the issue. drewmunn talk 21:26, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Which version of chrome do you have? VE says it only works with the most recent version (but unhelpfully doesn't give a version number for that).  RudolfRed (talk) 21:39, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Specifically, it says that VE works with the "most modern versions of Firefox, Chrome and Safari". Also, since Chrome is auto-updating software, I'm not sure it's actually possible to have anything but the most "modern" version of it. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:54, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's possible, especially in people who prefer sleep and hibernate over shut down, as this can result in the auto-update never actually being called. A close-reopen cycle should resolve this, however. More importantly, perhaps, is the other side of the same coin; what if a Chrome update breaks VE? This can occur (some widely used plugins and systems can act quirkily in updates), and may cause the majority of Chrome users to lose access to VE. What should our support files for VE note in this case, as the latest version may not technically be supported, but older versions may be unobtainable? This is all probably more suitable for the VE dev team than here... drewmunn talk 17:27, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of post
I have created a post for James Biden (can't find URL any longer) that I want to remain hidden for a few weeks while I get the appropriate sources. I thought that is how I had it set up, but the messages I received seem to state otherwise. Can you help me make it private to only me while I work on it and gather the appropriate sources? Once I get them all there I will make it public.

Thank you for your help, and my apologies about the confusion on my end.

Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sblasturfaceoff (talk • contribs) 22:21, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You can't hide it. Anything you put on Wikipedia is visible to all.  You should wait until you have the needed sources, then submit the article at WP:AfC, where you can get it reviewed.  RudolfRed (talk) 22:37, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, the note on your talk page provides a link where you can get the original article back when you have your sources ready. RudolfRed (talk) 22:39, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Completely agree with RudolfRed, however you also have your personal sandbox available to you so you may tinker with and gradually grow a potential article before letting it go "live" under a bonifide aricle title.  Market St.⧏  ⧐ Diamond Way  23:13, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sandbox sounds like exactly what the OP was looking for. Sandbox pages aren't exactly hidden but they're not exactly public either. And less likely to get deleted than incomplete article pages are.--R.S. Peale (talk) 00:59, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Important point R.S. Peale, no page is "hidden" but like we agree Sandbox is publicly viewable but usually given wide latitude to slowly build and form possible articles.  Market St.⧏  ⧐ Diamond Way  01:25, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * More precisely, it is my understanding that pages in user space should not be tagged for deletion for most of the usual reasons for deletion of articles, such as lack of content or lack of references. Is that correct?  It is my understanding that they can only be tagged for deletion for a few reasons, such as being fake articles, copyright violation, libel, or grossly offensive.  Is that correct?  As a result, any draft article that is worth growing can be grown in user space until it has the required sources, etc.  Robert McClenon (talk) 15:00, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If you look at WP:CSD, you'll see that the speedy deletion criteria vary, depending on namespace. There are 13 "G" criteria that could be invoked for userspace pages, as well as 3 "U" criteria for such pages, but basically the situation is as you said - criteria such as A7 don't apply. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:10, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Adding items
I want to add updated information and pictures to Susan Boyle's pages as they are so out of date. How do I do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graysear (talk • contribs) 22:33, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Graysear, I see that this is your first ever contribution to wikipedia, so first welcome! WP:RELIABLESOURCES and Help:Introduction to uploading images/1 may assist you.  Market St.⧏  ⧐ Diamond Way   23:09, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Susan Boyle is semi-protected. Click "View source" to see more, including how to make suggestions. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:30, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk page notice
Hi all, I have seen a few talk page notices to the effect that it is a lightly patrolled, or rarely read talk page and it's better to leave a comment on a wikiproject discussion page. But I can't find or remember where I saw this notice to post on a few articles talk pages I have found to be kind of "sleepy". Thanks!  Market St.⧏  ⧐ Diamond Way  23:03, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: before the sands of time sweeps this back any editor that knows would be appreciated!  Market St.⧏  ⧐ Diamond Way   00:52, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure which message that is. I looked at Template_messages/Talk_namespace, and didn't see anything that matched your description, but you might want to look there too.  Maybe there's a link there that will lead you to the right place.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:50, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the assitance RudolfRed, I have also looked extensively, I'm starting to suspect that it was just a customized notice directing to a Wikiproject or more trafficed article.  Market St.⧏  ⧐ Diamond Way  02:17, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * You may be thinking of the messages displayed when editing a "Portal talk" or "Category talk" page - you can see those listed at Editnotice. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:00, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Capitalization
Hi- I created an article Alpha rwirangira... How do I make the letter R in the last name capitalized, rather than lower case. I've tried to change it, but it will not let me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hemdee Kiwanuka (talk • contribs) 23:07, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * One solution that will work but possibly may not be the "proper" way to do it is to click the "MOVE" option on the upper right of the article and submit the new article name (in this case with a capital "R"), follow the instructions there may be a form or submission you should make to ensure the old article is deleted.  Market St.⧏  ⧐ Diamond Way  23:16, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * That is the correct way to do it and there isn't any reason to have the typo version deleted. Dismas |(talk) 00:23, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure the Move button will be visible, isn't only visible to confirmed users?-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  00:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Moot, as it was moved by someone else.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  00:34, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hemdee Kiwanuka isn't autoconfirmed yet and cannot move pages. Another editor has moved it to Alpha Rwirangira. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:34, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ...where it was deleted as "unambiguous advertising". -- John of Reading (talk) 06:55, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

I am writing a new page and I'm having problems with the references format
I am writing a new page and I'm having problems with the references format. docoeddocoed (talk) 23:12, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Where you want your inline citation (a superscripted number) to be, use at the start and end of your reference. Finally, put a at the end of your article.  Jolly   Ω   Janner  00:17, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * See References for beginners. Dismas |(talk) 00:21, 21 July 2013 (UTC)