Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 June 11

= June 11 =

Brian Kosoff
“Bones, the Unity of Form and Function” Macmillan Publishing, 1994, all original photography by Brian Kosoff — Preceding unsigned comment added by PatriciaAnnMora (talk • contribs) 01:39, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey there! I collapsed the content, but it's still there! I think you may have been looking to put this in the WP:Article wizard, to create a new article draft. If so, feel free to follow the prompts there and create it, if not, please tell me how else we can help! Charmlet (talk) 02:15, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * This material didn't belong here, and you've already used it elsewhere so I've removed.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:56, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

South African History
Dear Sirs

I notice this page is not enabled for comments..? Is this not jeopardising the Integrity of Wiki ? So many facts are wrongly presented with obvious subjective motives. Even the current news and publications proofs this page so wrong and poorly presented. Who would be behind this .. Yet another Money force ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.251.210.127 (talk) 02:26, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * It actually is "enabled for comments". See the talkpage here - Talk:History of South Africa to make comments. Always keep in mind, for everything on Wikipedia, that you must cite everything to reliable sources and make neutral suggestions to have them considered. Charmlet (talk) 02:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Rugrats in Paris: The Movie - Copyvio?
Heya, I just did some chopping to Rugrats in Paris: The Movie, but the article on the whole doesn't sit well with me because it seems that a play-by-play of a movie's storyline would be SOME kind of copyvio per the writeup at WP:PLOTONLY. Am I nuts, or is this article overly-detailed. (Note: this might also be a false-dilemma, as I might be nuts AND the article is overly-detailed.) Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:35, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * There isn't any hard-and-fast rule about what level of detail does and doesn't constitute a copyright violations (such is the way of the law). For example, at Twin Peaks, you'll find episode descriptions that are more detailed than the article you've brought up. In general, it's only an issue if the content owner dislikes the detail in a Wikipedia article, in which case it's likely to get shortened very quickly.


 * But, as always, any editor has the right to edit an article to improve it (as he/she sees it). So, one option is for you to reduce the amount of detail, and see whether other editors disagree. A second option is to post at Talk:Rugrats in Paris: The Movie, mentioning your discontent and possibly your intention to edit the article accordingly, and see if other editors object or agree. (You may well get no response at all, of course.) A third option is to post at Wikipedia talk:Plot-only description of fictional works; you're quite likely to get more informed feedback there than here. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:43, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

"Database Error" on new user ID creation
Hello, I have information to correct "dead links" in Wikipedia articles, but when attempting to generate a new user ID, I receive a "Database Error". When attempting to log in I receive a "user ID in use"/"Invalid password or user ID" error. I does not seem to matter how I modify a "new user ID" to meet the "DB" requirements. Does Wikipedia just want to live with "dead links" or "publically visible IP addresses"? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.111.54.159 (talk) 05:08, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry you are having difficulty creating an account. Wikipedia has so many registered users that it is possible that the usernames you have tried have all already been taken.  If your problems persist, someone at Request an account ma be able to create one for you.  -  Ka renjc 06:53, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

A tiny mistake
On this page, Prestat, the person given as founder, Antoine Dufour is not the same Antoine Dufour the the link directs you to (a musician). This chocolate store in London was founded in 1902 by Antoine Dufour and this person cannot be the same as the guitarist born in 1979. I suggest you remove the link to the name 'Antoine Dufour' on the Prestat page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.207.76.101 (talk) 06:29, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Someone has now fixed the error. Thank you for pointing it out.  Please feel free to fix any similar errors if you see them, with an appropriate edit summary.  -  Ka renjc 06:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Error message
I deleted a sentence with incorrect information. A footnote accompanied it, which I also deleted. But the source remained in the reference list, and now there is an error message there. Apparently you can't edit the reference list directly, so I don't know how to fix this problem. The article is "Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines". Treplag (talk) 06:54, 11 June 2013 (UTC)Treplag
 * I'm looking into it... Dismas |(talk) 07:39, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Got it. The same reference can be used more than once in an article.  To keep from having to type the same reference over and over again, just a name can be used.  In this edit you removed the "Munn" reference.  That reference is also called in another place in the article using just the name of the reference.  With no original reference to refer back to for the content, all the article had was the name for the ref.  You might want to read over Referencing for beginners if you're unfamiliar with how to use references here.  Dismas |(talk) 07:46, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * (I don't know if I am supposed to reply here, or on my talk page, or on the page with the article. I hope you see it.) Thanks for your assist with the deletion. I surmised that the problem resulted because the footnote referenced other text that remained, but I looked over the article and couldn't find it. Treplag (talk) 05:54, 12 June 2013 (UTC)Treplag
 * It's sort of up to you. If you feel the person that you're replying to needs to see what you're saying, then posting here and then posting to their talk page to call attention to it is fine.  If you just want to say thank you for a response here, then you can just post here with a quick note.  If the person comes back and sees it, that's fine.  If they don't, then it's just good karma.  As it happens, I saw your later question here at the Help Desk and decided to check for a response here at this question.  Dismas |(talk) 06:51, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Before I go ahead and add it to User:Launchballer/Elephant (Tame Impala song),
is http://www.musicvf.com/song.php?id=141092 a reliable source? I'm using a school computer and they've blocked it. (I'm using it to source its UK chart position of #131.)-- Laun  chba  ller  09:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me. Mdann52 (talk) 10:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Ben Hunt-Davis
Hi I want to edit this page to show Ben's work as an author - - Ben Hunt-Davis

I also want to add his most recent website http://www.willitmaketheboatgofaster.com/

Could you tell me if that's okay to add these and where they should be added?

Thanks Will it make the boat go faster (talk) 11:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Since (judging by your username) you are either Ben or working for him: no. You have a clear-cut conflict of interest. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  12:26, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * (ec) There already seems to be a mention of the book in the article. As for the website, it is entirely acceptable to add a link person or company's official website, but not to link to a site which is or appears to be for the purpose of selling something (see WP:EL for more information. As that website is for a company, and does not even mention Ben's name on the front page, it is certainly not appropriate. If the company passes Wikipedia's criteria for notability there could be an article about the company, and I think a link to that website would be appropriate on such a page.
 * However, judging by your username, I suspect you are either Ben Hunt-Davis yourself, or an employee of the company. If either of these is the case, you should make yourself aware of our policy on conflict of interest, and be very cautious about editing articles about either him or the company. Your username may also contravene our username policy, which prohibits usernames which appear to represent organisations rather than individuals. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 13:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Marker not displayed in location map
Hi! I want to add a marker to the location map in Sistema Sac Actun. I tried to follow the description given at Infobox cave to no avail. Any ideas? Alfie ↑↓ © 12:21, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Fixed. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:39, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * THX! Alfie  ↑↓ © 12:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Adding search box within a wiki article
Hi, I am trying to make a wiki page with a lot of information. It would be extremely helpful if I could include a search bar that would highlighted the text typed in. Is there any way of doing this? If so could you provide me with the code? Thank you. Also if the page would self adjust that would be helpful as well but not necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.168.71.66 (talk) 13:46, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * There should be no need for such a search bar, as a search facility is provided by all modern browsers: hold down the CTRL key and press F and a search box appears. Or if you are using a Mac, it's Command-F. Maproom (talk) 13:55, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Our search engine cannot locate occurrences of a string within the page you are viewing but browsers can usually do this with, or on a Mac. For registered editors there are tools to search the edit box, for example in wikEd. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:56, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Talk page with different title of page itself
When I click on the Talk of Migrant worker I see Talk:Migrant labor. Just curious. XOttawahitech (talk) 13:52, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * So do I. It seems that Talk:Migrant worker is a redirect. My guess is that someone once moved, or copied, the "Migrant labor" article to "Migrant worker", didn't do it right, and preserved the old talk by using a redirect. I think the result is a mess that could be fixed, preferably by someone with a better understanding of redirects than I have. Maproom (talk) 13:59, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, somebody moved the talk page without moving the article. I have moved the talk page back to Talk:Migrant worker. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:02, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Editing with a Linux
? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sainey Yto Beltflashgordon (talk • contribs) 14:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Please elaborate, you should be able to edit on an Linux without problem.  Falkirks Talk   14:48, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Texas A&M School of Law
Dear Sirs:

This email is to alert you that at present (June 11, 2013) there is NOT YET a Texas A&M School of Law.

Texas A&M University and Texas Wesleyan University entered into a letter of agreement on June 26, 2012, whereby Texas A&M would purchase Texas Wesleyan School of Law. There are still SACS and ABA approvals that must be received (and possibly some other issues as well) before the acquisition will be finalized. If everything proceeds as planned, the acquisition appears to be on track for final approval about mid-August 2013.

Sincerely,

Dan Brothers Director of Marketing Texas Wesleyan School of Law 1515 Commerce Street Fort Worth, Texas 76102 (817) 212-4064 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.64.88.144 (talk) 14:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you. It appears somebody has been precipitate in editing, and possibly moving, the article which is now Texas A&M School of Law; though I am puzzled, because I can't find evidence of a move in the page's history. Perhaps somebody with more Wikipedia-fu than me can sort it out. --ColinFine (talk) 23:08, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The prior history is here, and it's clear that someone botched the rename. I've posted a note about this at Cut and paste move repair holding pen. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Dallas Fort Worth Baseball Members
My husband is Gene Etter. He played professionally for the Dallas Fort Worth Spurs for 5 years.

In 1966 we were married at homeplate before a Dallas Fort Worth Spurs game.

3 of the five years, he was voted Most Popular Player.

I would appreciate your adding him to the list of baseball players who played for the Dallas Fort Worth Spurs.

If you need validation, I have newspaper articles with his name appearing in the lineup.

I also have articles about our Homeplate Wedding. 7 thousand people attended the wedding74.221.188.175 (talk) 14:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)Eddie Lewis Etter
 * It seems like the only players mentioned by name at the Dallas-Fort Worth Spurs article are those who went on to play in the major leagues. So unless your husband did that, he probably shouldn't be added.  Howicus (talk) 15:41, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

How to upload in wikipedia
How can one upload in wikipedia pls — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrcoins1 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You can upload to commons or use the File_Upload_Wizard to upload it to Wikipedia. You must be autoconfirmed to do this.  Falkirks Talk   15:50, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

re: strongly biased and incomplete articles
Dear Wikipedia Editors,

I am very concerned that some Wiki articles like the one for Edwin Mellen Press have very recently become simply springboards for disgruntled individuals who greatly dislike the business or its heads, and are plugging us into a very bitter on-going case dispute about slander as well as freedom of speech, so that we are strongly persuaded to agree with these advocates of one side. These articles, I believe, have a responsibility to provide objective facts and information to give Wiki readers an understanding of the history and perspectives of these institutions. I know a couple of "Mellen" authors, and did some fact checking on the subject of this acrimonious piece, "Mellen," and found that, contrary to the "vanity, gibberish" suggestions of the article, it has several thousand authors and that its publications are housed in hundreds of research libraries worldwide (WorldCat), a number of which are discipline specific. Although its books seem to be generally of good to average quality in the publishing business, I found through a random sampling that many of its books are endorsed by academic authors who are well published and tied to a good university or publisher, and very likely well-known in that subject or discipline.

I write this because I have been endorsing Wikipedia for schools and colleges and am now concerned that there is pressure to make it into a blog advocating the personal biases of people who are making news at the present time. Thank you for listening.

Michaelnc408 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:58, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * from a quick look at the article, it appears that the criticisms of Edwin Mellen Press are properly cited at least. I'm not quite sure what you mean by a dispute about 'freedom of speech' in that it appears that is the Press that has been taking out libel actions against its critics - though if you have evidence to the contrary, and can cite a reliable source for it, I suggest you raise the matter at the article talk page. A for your own research on the subject, I'm afraid that we can only go by what published sources say, and personal testimonies aren't admissible. I'll place a link to these comments on the article talk page, so contributors are at least aware of them, but really you need to discuss the issues there yourself (after finding any necessary sources). If, after discussing issues, you can't resolve the matter, you could either raise it at Neutral point of view/Noticeboard, or look at Dispute resolution to see how to proceed. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:14, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I am puzzled by the question. When Michaelnc408 wrote "some Wiki articles like the one for Edwin Mellen Press ... are plugging us into a very bitter on-going case dispute", who does "us" refer to? Surely not Mellen Press, who are the plaintiffs in the court cases, and so were "plugged in" to them right from the start. And surely not Wikipedia editors – the question above is Michaelnc408's first contribution to Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 19:11, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Estelle Craig
Estelle Craig is a producer and director of World Adventure Tours for 41 years, bringing in celebrities such as Sir Edmund Hillary, The Duke of Bedford, Lowell Thomas and British Prime Minister Clement Atlee to Toronto Canada to Eaton Auditorium and Ryerson Theatre. Publisher and editor of Small Types magazine a magazine for young children. Estelle Craig is a play write who continues to write into her 98th year. She was widely viewed nationally in her documentary STELLA IS 95 on PBS in 2013 directed by Robin Melanie Leacock. Estelle Craig is a past President of The Variety Club and The Press Club. She is the author of two books " UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES " and "AS I WAS SAYING ". She is the creator and Benefactor of The RoseHill Gardens in Toronto and a community activist. A Senior Theatre Group has been named after her THE ESTELLE CRAIG ACT 2 STUDIO. Estelle Craig has been a columnist and has had her own weekly radio program. She has organized and led a number of travel groups around the world and has created a name for herself in world travel. Her husband was a chemical engineer who worked on the Manhattan Project and was the sole owner of a private pharmaceutical manufacturing company in Toronto Canada and she has 3 children. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mizzee26 (talk • contribs) 16:22, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The Help Desk isn't the right place to create a draft article. Please follow the process described at WP:AFC.--ukexpat (talk) 18:01, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Chobham RFC/ Chobham Rugby
I had note that I have copied Chobham Rugby Club info for a page I created.

The info is copied from our website and the wikipedia Chobham pages which i have contributed to.

There are 2 pages Chobham RFC and Chobham Rugby as in our sport people search for both.

What is the problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rugbyh (talk • contribs) 16:58, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Chobham RFC and Chobham Rugby Club are indeed two articles about the same subject. Neither are compliant with the minimum standards for articles. Which one has content copied from another website? Which website is it? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:05, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * While I was writing the above one of them was deleted, the other will probably be deleted soon. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:08, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

writing a book dont know copy right laws.
Use a number of china Ideas such as Yin Fu King and Mysterious Tally where I say Character remembers Perfect stillness is entire disinterestedness in it which springs to mind activity through the eyes. The mind quickens by things about that leads to excessive pursuit, which causes it to die of thought excess. This is an example. Am I alright to footnote the article where I found this line? If I use I-T, I-T is Chinese God of wine. Do I have to reference this? If I create a paragraph on subject of Yin and Yang from all there is written about Yin and Yang; do I have to receive permission to express such a summarization of the body of work on Yin Yang? If I tell a story of Yellow Emperor and his dream travel to a place inhabited by spirits who walked on air and slept in space etc; this is told many times in different books and articles. Do I need to foot note one article, can I summarize the work as so as to fit into my character and story, or do I need to stick to the text and gain authority to work with such a story? These are the questions that I need to understand. I say Yinyang is basis of the Book of Changes, an importnat part of Yellow Emperor's Classic of Medicine -earlist Chinese medical book written 2,000 years ago. Did I break a copyright law in such a general statement? Could you offer me advice and direction as to how safe I am to use such ideas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.11.76.2 (talk) 18:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. We do NOT offer legal advice here. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  18:48, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think, Citing Wikipedia is possibly what they are after, but i'm also fairly unclear. CaptRik (talk) 19:58, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The OP, who is probably Chinese, is asking when it is a copyright violation to use material learned from someplace. The answer, first, is that each country has its own rules, and I don't know the rules in China, if that is what this is about.  The answer in general is that copyright applies to the specific form of expression in a source.  So if you copy the specific words from a book or article, or the way that information is organized in a book or article, you might be violating copyright.  (There are some exceptions.)  If you only use information from an article, though, it is usually not a violation of copyright. Looie496 (talk) 23:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

deleting redirects from my user pages
Hello, both my user pages "sandbox" and "talk:you have messages" redirect, each to two different articles. I'd like to delete the redirects with out changing the articles themselves, of course. How can I do that? Thank you very much.DocFido (talk) 20:21, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I have removed both redirects from these pages you can simply prevent an article from redirecting by adding ?redirect=no to the URL.  Falkirks Talk   20:27, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You can also find a note 'Redirected from' just below the page's title (see an image near the TOC at Redirect) – the blue link just after 'Redirected from' leads to the redirecting page. Follow that link and edit the redirecting page to clean things up. --CiaPan (talk) 10:24, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Mesut Ozil
To whom is interested, The assist chart in Mesut Ozil's statistics has been removed a couple of months ago for an unknown reason. His page is locked so I can't edit it back, if there's a chance you could fix it. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.110.125.95 (talk) 23:56, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You'll probably get a better response if you leave this message on the article's talk page. You could also put  before your message/request. Scarce2 (talk) 00:44, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The unregistered user could also create and confirm a registered account, which has other advantages, and would then be able to edit the article directly. Also, the page appears to have semi-protected for several months.  It might be worth unprotecting it.  The assist chart might have been removed as vandalism, that is, for no valid reason, and that might be why the page was semi-protected.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:56, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If you leave a request for the assist chart to be put back, please be more precise about when it was removed. I've looked at edits back to the start of the year without finding the removal of a chart. Maproom (talk) 07:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)