Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 June 13

= June 13 =

Madman Bot
Got a problem while editing page Las Malas Intenciones, some content got reported by madman bot. I contributed for imdb page with "Plot" section, the site referred by bot should be removed from its checks since the whole site gathers info from other sources. How can I solve this? Thanks in advance User:Paulo.s.matos
 * This was discussed at User talk:Paulo.s.matos.— Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Polish Americans
On the Polish American page in the military listing you've missed my grandfather. His name is Peter Kasprzyk moved from Poland and left school in 8th grade. He then joined the military and became an airplane engineer. He worked on fighter planes in WWII and train new engineers. Also was featured in TIME magazine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.242.120.61 (talk) 01:17, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * We have many pages about Polish Americans. After some searching I guess you refer to List of Polish Americans. Such lists are intended for people with Wikipedia biographies. Every name in the list is blue, indicating a link to a biography. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:40, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

help to provide information to a Wikipedia page
Dear all,

Since I am not a regular provider of information to Wikipedia, I need a far more experienced individual to help me out.

I have made some amendments to the following article on the Great Dane dog:

Great Dane

Some member of your community has correctly highlighted the need to provide a source for the following statement:

quote Otto von Bismarck set up a commission, ”Kynologischer Verein Hektor”source whose purpose it was to invent a new origin of the hound away from Denmark, its enemy at the time. The result was a new word Deutsche Dogge. This is made public in 1878 and from 1880 it becomes illegal in the German Reich to refer to the dog as anything but ”Deutsche Dogge”. Literature after this date in German, and when translated to other languages such as English sought to perpetuate this new truth.Source

unquote

I do have the source for this piece of information but I do not know have to correctly reference it. Perhaps one of you know how to do this.

Source: Viggo Møller: Hunden og Hunderacerne (1887, chapter 11, Guard Dogs, The Large Danish Hound, pages 218-233, written in Danish) and Viggo Møller: Illustreret Tidende (13.2.1887, Large Danish Hounds, pages 244-246, written in Danish).

Best regards

Flemming Rickfors — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.21.228.232 (talk) 01:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Flemming.
 * Short answer: Edit window > Cite > Templates > Cite Book.
 * Long answer: When you are making a a change to an article, at the top of the edit window you'll see a variety of formatting features (Bold, Italic, signature, link, etc.) At the far right, you should see "Cite".  Click that, pull down the Templates menu and select Cite Book.  A window with a bunch of fields should pop open.  This will make citing a breeze.  There's also a button at the bottom of that window that will give you more fields to use, should you require them.  Hope that helped!  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:43, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Glitch at Streator, Illinois
Can someone who is good at these things figure out what is wrong with the locator map at Streator, Illinois. Thanks! -- Jayron  32  02:10, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * This has been fixed by another editor. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:12, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
How can I check the pageviews of Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?, which ends with a question mark. I can only see this page.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:10, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If you stick "%3F" on the end of the URL, you get to this page with the statistics you are looking for. But, yes, that's a bug in the "External tools" line of the history page. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:10, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * (More) Either I got confused, or someone fixed something. The link on the history page at Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? is working now. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:37, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes it works from the history page link, but not the input box for the pageview page. Can we request a fix somewhere?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:40, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It's an external tool run by one person. http://stats.grok.se/about says questions and comments should be directed at User:Henrik. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:14, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Sugandha Kalamegham
Hi

I recently Created a Page Sugandha Kalamegam

There is a spelling mistake in the Heading. It should be Sugandha Kalamegham instead of Sugandha Kalamegam.

Kindly help.

Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaviduu (talk • contribs) 04:30, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi

I recently Created a Page Sugandha Kalamegam

There is a spelling mistake in the Heading. It should be Sugandha Kalamegham instead of Sugandha Kalamegam.

Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaviduu (talk • contribs) 04:31, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Kindly help.
 * FYI, page moved by user:Falkirks 04:36, 13 June 2013‎ // Fra nkB 05:59, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * And the renamed page was then deleted: "(G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of http://www.nadatarangini.org/artists/sugandha-kalamegham)". -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:02, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Can a mislabeled image be moved/renamed properly
Hi, had a brain fart (image mislabeled on my HDD) and uploaded the wrong image under the 'other title'. I've fixed the description, here, but the title is all wrong. The second image hasn't yet left my HDD. Thanks! // Fra nkB 05:46, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If the page can be moved, I can upload the proper image to that page... assuming the system software allows overwriting such a theoretically created auto-redirect. I can also tag for speedy delete, Suggestions? Assistance?
 * Can also use a .css savvy contact for questions on setting things up properly on another wiki. Prefer email for that.


 * If I understand you correctly, you've uploaded File A but called it "File B", when you have a File B you want to use as well. So, option 1 (easiest): upload File A again as "File A" this time and upload File B as a new version of "File B". Option 2: tag "File B" with rename media (and give the file name you want for the renamed file), and an admin or filemover can move the file for you, allowing you to upload File B as "File B". Option 1 is something you can do yourself and so avoids delay waiting for others. BencherliteTalk 09:53, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks very much, at least unless there's a block on reloading the image which happened the other day to me on Wikimedia Commons. I was tempted to try that but thought I'd ask about the move option, it's been a while since I did images here. (I can do without the Wizards! LOL) I'd missed a crop-able defect in that one. Not sure yet whether that is a steady state. I'm juggling related work in four wikis at once. Appreciate the time Bencherlite! Best regards // Fra nkB 18:27, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Information re kim gyngell
I have made an edit to the information regarding kim gyngell who is known to me. He was not christened Kimberly. He is not kym. He is christened kim gyngell. He lives with his partner melinda butel and their two boys sol and Leo in melbourne and has done so since 2009. Other minor edits were regarding work. Needham2 (talk) 06:16, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I see that at least one editor has reverted (reversed/deleted) some of your edits. You're much more likely to succeed in keeping your changes in the article if you provide a reliable source as a citation (footnote) for any changes you make. In any case, the correct place to discuss your concerns with the article are at Talk:Kym Gyngell, not here. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 00:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for this website
I don't have any complaint about your website.... I just want to thank the founder of this site who established such an excellent site for educational purpose.. this website(wikipedia) is outstanding and keep it up......... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.66.121.132 (talk) 07:30, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks - much appreciated :) Mdann52 (talk) 12:37, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Improper Edits of Abhishek Banerjee Article
This article has not been edited as per Wikipedia Terms and Conditions. The following lines seems like a personal attack:

"By virtue of being the nephew of Mamata Banerjee, present chief minister of West Bengal he is also the National President of 'All India Trinamool Yuva'"

"The opulent wedding of Abhishek to Jasmeet Ahuja in February 2012 made it an embarrassment for Mamata as she is known for her austerity"

This type of edits should not be encouraged. Also another line in this article says:

"Leaps and Bounds is a company that claims to be in Bottled Water, Consultancy, Real Estate, Micro Finance and Insurance"

This line is also improperly written. You cannot write "CLAIMS TO BE" for a company. Leaps and Bounds is a company headed by Abhishek Banerjee and they deal with all the services mentioned above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asanirban (talk • contribs) 07:33, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I have fixed these problems. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 08:02, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Wikipedia Usage
Hi,

I am Tae Jun (T.J.), Cha from South Korea, currently attempting to upload an article about an organization that I am working for. Unfortunately, I have been experiencing too much difficulty in uploading a single article about the brief history and objectives concerning my organization. I have tried several times in uploading it but have been declined all the time. Since there is no one specific to contact to get info on how I should go about this situation within Wikipedia, I am quite lost. If there is anyone who is willing to help me, your help with be utmost respected and sought for. Also, it seems that the main reasons for the decline is that although I get a "COI" approval, I keep receiving "copyvio" or copyright violation, but I am unable to understand why my organization cannot upload what our organization wrote, describing ourselves to the public, on the wikipedia pages. Please, your help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and good day.

Sincerely, Tae Jun (T. J.), Cha K-Developedia www.kdevelopedia.org Korea Development Institute School of Public Policy and Management KDIS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.253.42.253 (talk) 07:39, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Please read Your first article. It would also help if you registered an account here. From what you say, you have been trying to upload text whose copyright is owned by your company. Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text unless the company releases the copyright. This is a very important rule, as Wikipedia does not wish to break the law, and any copyrighted text that is placed here is likely to be deleted immediately. Maproom (talk) 08:33, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * It is possible to donate copyrighted materials, but it's not a simple process and you will have to give away control over your content that you may prefer to retain. Much better just to write the information again for Wikipedia, in your own words.  Text produced by an organisation's PR staff is quite likely to be unsuitable for a Wikipedia article anyway, because the language in which an organisation describes itself to the public may not be appropriate for an impartial encyclopaedia.  You appear to be saying that reviewers have judged your work free from concerns about conflict of interest and this is good, considering that you work for the organisation.  Users are not forbidden from writing about subjects with which they are closely associated, but the practice is discouraged because it is very hard to maintain the necessary neutral point of view. -  Ka renjc 16:45, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

help pleas
hello thank you very much about advice really i wish to be wikipidean

i saw article at wiki and i want write new article with same design but not same content

that is

Groupon

i admire with that design but i do not know how i can do it

so could you help me and say to me

what is the wring way that i shouldn't do it

at writre article

and how add no follow external link

thank you very much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firas Alameh (talk • contribs) 08:34, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Try reading Your first article and Conflict Of Interest. Then you should be ready to create an article or request someone else create it for you at Requested articles. Good luck! ツ Jenova  20  (email) 10:23, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Meetups
Hello again... After being invited to a meeting in San Francisco, I decided to see if there were any closer gatherings, and I wound up at a page called Meetup/Toronto. At the top is a link to a web site http://TorontoWikiTuesdays.com which seems to consist of just advertisements. Should something be done about this? Is this the place to report it? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 09:25, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've removed the link. The rule of thumb is: Be Bold.  Rojomoke (talk) 10:21, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

How to cite diffs in sockpuppet investigations
With reference to this discussion, the admins have asked about citing diffs as evidence. How do I go about doing that? Thanks. Regstuff (talk) 10:01, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Help:Diffs? Mdann52 (talk) 10:08, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Basically go to the history page, click the edit before the one you want to indicate, and the one you want to indicate, hit "compare selected revisions" at the top, copy the web address at the very top of the page, and paste the web address around a pair of brackets [ ] C T  F  8  3 !  10:43, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Update entry
Hello. I work for the Financial Ombudsman Service. Because of the obvious conflict of interest and for ethical reasons, I am not comfortable editing this page. However, we have recently released our annual review 2012/2013 – http://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/publications/ar13/index.html – and now would be a good time to update this entry. We’d be grateful if someone would take the time to have a look. We'd also really appreciate any suggestions on how we can update the page in the future or correct some of the errors on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanemckenna7 (talk • contribs) 10:49, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * First off, thank you for avoiding conflict of interest editing. That is more than can be said for many editors, myself included. If you are dealing with correcting numbers, or straight typos or other reasonable errors, very few editors will have a problem with it. What is the article concerned?-- Laun  chba  ller  11:36, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. The entry I’m talking about is the Financial Ombudsman Service (UK): Financial Ombudsman Service We would like some of the figures and information to be updated, and some small errors to be corrected. Above, I linked to our latest annual publication – which would go a long way to sorting things out. Your help is much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanemckenna7 (talk • contribs) 12:26, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * As an aside, that article is in terrible shape. About half of the text should be deleted; there is far too much detail about things that aren't that important (see WP:NOT), and far too many citations that come from sources published by the FOS.


 * As Launchballer said, for minor errors, or for updates, fixing the article yourself is acceptable. But I do suggest waiting a week or so to see if anyone responds to your posting on the article talk page. If not (which wouldn't be surprising), then go ahead and fix things yourself. Please make sure you explain your edit in the Edit summary box; that's just below the edit window, when you do an edit. -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 00:49, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Per WP:BAND #2,
"a musician or ensemble may be notable if it has had a single or album on any country's national music chart". Does this include the Bubbling Under Hot 100 chart?-- Laun  chba  ller  11:38, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I would say no, because that chart consists of items which by definition are not topping the regular charts. WP:UPANDCOMING sort of applies here. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  12:31, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Sending information to myself
How do I send an information page that I am reading to my e-mail address? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rswiatlowski (talk • contribs) 13:58, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Copy the URL of the article from the address bar of your browser; then send an e-mail to whereever you want and paste that URL into your e-mail. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  14:50, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Kinesiotherapy Page
I created a Kinesiotherapy page back in 2006 and it has now been removed and redirected to another professions page. How do I get the page reinstated and back for access?

Thank you very much for your help. Melissa Ziegler, MA, RKT Executive Director, American Kinesiotherapy Association 118 College Drive #5142 Hattiesburg, MS 39406 http://www.akta.org


 * The Kinesiotherapy article before the merge with Physiotherapy was in a very poor condition, so the best option would probably be to start over with new content. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:42, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

error with an article about PARIS SAINT GERMAIN section ( under 19)
There were false statement in that article at the section ( u 19) I have tried to fix it but it would not be. I do not know why. Please regard that.Paris Saint-Germain F.C. Reserves and Academy Paris Saint-Germain F.C. Reserves and Academy 68.226.21.93 (talk) 14:59, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * You had deleted some of the templates for the table, and you did not replace the content which the vandal last month had replaced by the false entries. Hopefully it is OK now. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:31, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Template:Multiple image not working in many browsers (but not all) in zoom mode
Template:Multiple image is not properly aligning images in Internet Explorer when I zoom in my browser.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:44, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Also Firefox, Safari and Chrome. Not a problem in Opera or Netscape Navigator.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:46, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * My test page was Glenn Robinson III and I used ctrl+[-] to zoom in.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:59, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Might be better placed on the Talk page of that template? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Multiple_image --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 16:01, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:12, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If you don't get any response there, I suggest posting at WP:VPT or at (probably less helpful) WP:RT. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 00:40, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Album art
My problem is simple - I want to upload an album cover art, but I don't know where to get the picture. Phazd (talk) 16:21, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Have you tried a search ? Google, Bing or your favorite search engine.  Mlpearc  ( powwow ) 16:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * P.S. once you have found the cover you can request that it be uploaded for you at Files for upload.  Mlpearc  ( powwow ) 16:26, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Actually, I thought I should scan the copy that I own or something like that. Again, thank you. Phazd (talk) 16:31, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Beware that album covers are copyright, and you can only use one under a claim of fair-use, which requires it to be low resolution, with at least one side <300 pixels. Furthermore, the Infobox album template requires an image >200 Px wide, so you need an image about 250 x 250 Px. I doubt your scanner runs that coarsely - whereas Amazon and similar websites usually have an image of about this size readily available. Arjayay (talk) 16:48, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Helpful guidelines and examples for fair use, including copyright album covers, are at WP:NFCI (acceptable fair use) and WP:NFC (unacceptable fair use). - Ka renjc 16:52, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

English Defence League
On the Wikipedia page 'English Defence League' there is a video of damage being caused to a restaurant in Leicester. The video claims that the damage is caused by an EDL 'supporter'. I feel this video is not a representation of the EDL. I am a supporter of the Labour party, but if I were to cause criminal damage, this would not be a representation of the Labour Party, these are my actions.

Anybody can be a supporter of anything whether they are wanted by the group or not.

This article could cause bias to certain people because a 'supporter' (in no way proven to be a part of the EDL), caused criminal damage, for this reason I would like the video removed.

Or at least stating that the person who caused the damage is in no way connected to the said EDL, unless it is proven otherwise.

Many Thanks

Jon Jackson

78.147.118.222 (talk) 17:43, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The source says the damage was caused during an EDL demonstration by a supporter who was involved in it. The place to discuss this is Talk:English Defence League. - Ka renjc 20:46, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

How do i know if my article was uploaded.?
Hello. I just wrote an article and was wondering how will i know qhen it is uploaded. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deborah Rotter (talk • contribs) 17:58, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Your user talk page tells you that the draft was not accepted, & gives a link back to your AFC page where the explanation is given (with links to useful further reading). - David Biddulph (talk) 19:38, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

incomplete wikipedia page
To Whom it May Concern: Hi, my name is Lulu Fall and I was approched by a Wiki page builder, Jay (email@sharkim.com) via my website on January 28th 2013. As an artist, and after extensively emailing back and forth, I decided to pay the $650 to get a Wikipedia page. We've corresponded back and forth since January and he finally showed me a preview of what my page would look like. Long story short, I've been emailing him at the above address every week for the last 4 months and I've been getting the runaround. I emailed him yesterday and the email was returned back to me (the email address apparently is no longer working). I'm not sure if this is the right source for this issue, but I NEED my money back, especially if my page is not even created. It is absurd for me to have been getting jerked around for months. Please email me back. Below is my order number and IP address: Order Number : 4918875176 Merchant Order ID : 43F2S

Shark IM ( http://www.sharkim.com )

Contents of your purchase : Vendor Product ID : 15 Product Name : Wikipedia Page Creation Quantity : 1

Total : 650.00 ( USD )

Billing Information Lulu Fall IP: 75.93.226.156 wiki 69.201.156.211 (talk) 19:27, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Basically, and I'm very sorry to have to tell you this, but you've been scammed. Wikipedia does not charge people for articles, whomever this person was they have no affiliation with Wikipedia and there is unfortunately nothing we can do for you--Jac 16888 Talk 19:31, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, we are not allowed to give legal advice, consult a qualified professional. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:33, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I think you have been scammed, you get a Wikipedia article by being notable, not by paying money. I don't know who to refer to, but try the founder's talk page. It mightn't work, but it's all I can think of. Bad luck you were scammed. Darrman (talk) 20:03, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Please do 'not post at the suggested page. That would be a waste of your time and a waste of time of anyone reading what you posted there. User:Darrman is mistaken. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 00:36, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * There is nothing at all that Jimbo, the WMF, or anyone other than a competent legal professional can do. - please don't answer unless your answer is actually helpful. — The Potato Hose  20:15, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I second Potato Hose's comment and would like to explain a little further. Ms Fall, you are under the misapprehension that someone at Wikipedia has been writing an article about you for money. Jac16888 has clarified that Wikipedia (the free encyclopaedia) doesn't ever charge for articles.  Anyone can edit Wikipedia, as you proved when you posted your question here.  Wikipedia isn't a marketing tool or a business directory and removes promotional material on sight.  This upsets the people who want to use it for promotion, which is why some entrepreneurs independently tout their "expert" services, offering to insert material into the encyclopaedia on their clients' behalf. The process is not well regarded here and such paid editors have no connection with the organisation itself.  We have no idea who you have been dealing with or whether or not you have been the victim of fraud. We can't put you in touch with anyone regarding your transactions with this person, because those transactions had nothing to do with Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation.  All we can do is offer our sympathy at your situation, and suggest you seek qualified advice, which as Roger says, we cannot provide in any form.  Good luck. -  Ka renjc 20:34, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * You should handle this the same way that you would handle any fraudulent payment; as pointed out above, Wikipedia (and the editors here) have absolutely no relationship to the person who you paid. If you paid by (say) Paypal, you should report the problem to that service. If you paid by mailing a check, you can use that address to report the fraud to the local police, or the USPS, or whomever is appropriate. If you wired the money, you're pretty much out of luck completely. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 00:36, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

How do I watch a section?
Instead of watching a whole article, is it possible to watch just a single section of an article?  K . Bog  21:16, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Not at the moment, sorry. However, in the next few months, at least for threaded talk page discussion, you'll be given the ability to selectively watch sections using Flow.  Theopolisme ( talk )  21:27, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * You can also try the mobile version of the website. You can expand or collapse each section of a page. Have fun! --NaBUru38 (talk) 22:18, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Download a page in ODT format
Here I asked about adding a button to download a Wikipedia page in ODT format. I was answered that "the programmers here have enough on their plate without being asked to implement things that only a very few users want". Now, I tried to download a custom book, and I saw that adding "writer=odf" to the "Download as PDF" link works. Can you add that link to the side bar? Thanks! --NaBUru38 (talk) 22:04, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * This is a lot of work for a format that is rarely used by the average person. I suggest using an online file converter like Zamzar if you really need an ODT file. Falkirks Talk  23:06, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 'Download as PDF' processes the page through Special:Book with some arguments to set the document type. If you go there directly, you have more options, including OpenDocument. When I get some time, I could write a short script to add the ODT link to the sidebar. --  Gadget850talk 23:17, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that. Thanks for the information. Falkirks Talk  00:00, 14 June 2013 (UTC)