Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 June 3

= June 3 =

Aki Aleong
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, MY NAME IS...Aki Aleong I AM CURRENTLY A PERSON ON WIKEPEDIA. THERE WAS A NEW ADDITION TO MY PAGE WHICH I AM VERY THANKFUL FOR. THE COLUMN WHICH WAS THERE BEFORE WAS RATHER SHORT BUT CONTAINED SOME TRUE PERSONAL FACTS ON MY LIFE. I WAS NOT AWARE OR NOTIFIED THAT THIS COLUMN WOULD BE REMOVED. IT CONTAINED SEVERAL PERSONAL FACTS THAT I CANNOT REMEMBER AND I HAVE NO ONE TO HELP ME REMEMBER. I AM 78 YRS OLD AND IT IS LIKE A LIFE LINE THAT KEEPS ME CONNECTED PERSONALLY. CAN YOU PLEASE SEND ME A COPY OF THE INFORMATION JUST REMOVED PRIOR, TO ADDING THE NEW INFORMATION. I SINCERELY HOPE THAT YOU CAN 'make an old man happy" ONCE AGAIN, THANKING YOU IN ADVANCE. HAVE A GREAT BLESSED DAY. SINCERELY, Aki Aleong,
 * Possibly this version ([old version]) is the one you are looking for. All the previous versions of the article can be seen by clicking on the History tab. Rmhermen (talk) 02:39, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

IP showing
Sir I had signed in wikipedia. when i made edits in wikiarticle. after finishing all edits i just viewed file history my ip address was there how it could be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manavatha (talk • contribs) 02:12, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Which edit are you referring to? That is, what article did you edit, and where does it show your IP address?  RudolfRed (talk) 02:53, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * If you are concerned about revealing your IP address, then don't answer RudolfRed's questions here. Instead, send an email as instructed at Requests for oversight, so that a trusted administrator can hide it from the history page.
 * As for how it happened, this could be very hard to track down. From Help:Logging in, "Occasionally, a user may find him/herself "automatically" logged out between beginning an edit and saving it, or when switching between multiple wiki pages open in multiple windows or tabs. This can be a result of your browser's cookie, cache, or firewall settings, but sometimes, especially during heavy server load, the system can "glitch" and your login information will be lost, resulting in a logout" -- John of Reading (talk) 06:36, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect article title - Australian Pacific Tours
Can someone please change the article "Australian Pacific Tours" to the correct company name of "Australian Pacific Touring" ? I am yet to reach autoconfirmed status and cannot make this change myself.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.240.204.120 (talk) 02:45, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Done. HiLo48 (talk) 04:04, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Racist Edit to a page
The Harlem Renaissance page has been edited with some very offensive information. Please fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.18.180 (talk) 04:00, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * It appears to have been reverted. HiLo48 (talk) 04:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Should topic like this be included as a Wikipedia article?
For example, Private Tracker amd usenet are widely known as able to download latest movie. But these tool's publisher and/or their community generally require users to keep silence about these tools. In case there are something that are more well known than afore-mentioned tools, but people are having better secret-keeping ability, so that at best there are just a few blog post/forum thread talk about the theme in the internet, should that thing be written into Wikipedia despite not compiling eith current noticiability guide?C933103 (talk) 04:37, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTCENSORED is our guide. Also, "don't talk about usenet" is more of a tounge-in-cheek non-serious statement.  No one I've come across means it literally.  It's a play on the rules of Fight Club.  RudolfRed (talk) 04:53, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem is, if something else really applied similar policy and made it have no reliable references available, which made it look like not noticable even it is widely known, what to do? C933103 (talk) 17:22, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You can't write articles without references. Where would you get the information from? Articles have to be based on published reliable sources, and to pass notability guidelines, we need evidence that the subject has been the topic of significant independent commentary. We don't make exceptions because topics are 'secret'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:32, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Proper political template
Who knows the proper template for Michael Downing, now that he's no longer an incumbent? Clarityfiend (talk) 05:12, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with it? It shows that he left office in 2010 and who is successor was.  Can you clarify what needs to change?  See Bob_Odell_(politician) for what it says for current office holders.  RudolfRed (talk) 06:16, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Not the infobox at the top, the one at the bottom erroneously showing him still in office. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:34, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've updated it by following the instructions at Template:S-start. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:18, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Replying to posts
New user of this site, unable to navigate to reply to question answered by 'Melburnian'. Just wanted to say Thanks for information re standards; reference to recycling.AeragRRR (talk) 07:05, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * You asked your question about recycling at the Reference Desk. Specifically the Miscellaneous section. And if you scroll down to the bottom of the page, you'll see your question there (as of this writing). You can reply to that question and answer thread by clicking on the "Edit" link just to the right of the title of the thread. If you would like to correspond more directly with Melburnian, you can do so at their talk page which is at User talk:Melburnian. I found out what thread you were talking about here by looking at your contributions which you can see for yourself by clicking on the Contributions link in the upper right corner of this page (you'll have to scroll to the top). Best, Dismas |(talk) 07:20, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Click on the [edit] link at the top of the section. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:15, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Silly talk page post
I was looking at my watchlist, and Super Mario 64's talk had a message. It was random letters. I know you are not meant to edit other people's comments, but can you delete posts made of random letters? Here's the page: Talk: Super Mario 64 Darrman (talk) 10:26, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes you can remove nonsense like that. The article's talk pages are for one purpose and that is to discuss thhe article's improvement.  If something is on the talk page that doesn't go toward that then it can be removed.  GB fan 10:30, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Darrman (talk) 10:33, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * And for future reference you can refer to WP:TPO, specifically the paragraph on Off-topic posts. GB fan 10:35, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Overbrook High School.
Former Major League Baseball star Jeffrey Leonard is not mentioned as a graduate — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.52.73.94 (talk) 11:05, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If you can prove it, you can add it yourself. If you can find an acceptable reliable source that says he was a graduate of that school you can add it, provided you add a reference to the source. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:16, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

providing links to Category page etc
es: I found this page: Category:Herbal tea which misses an additional "tea" - Nettle (that means new character "N" which is not on the page, and/or entry under the latin "Urtica", with cross reference to wiki "nettle page": Nettle

can someone oblige or help me to achieve this? NB I rather be anon then show off my knowledge... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.78.127.240 (talk) 11:36, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * There is no entry for Nettle tea in Category:Herbal tea because you (or anyone else) have not written the Nettle tea article yet. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:59, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * You will, however, find a reference to Nettle in the article Herbal tea, as distinct from the category Category:Herbal tea. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:25, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

SALMAN KHAN AND ARBAAZ KHAN ERRORS DATE OF BIRTH
dear wikipedia pls take a note that there are errors in information regarding salman khan actor and arbaaz khan actors date of birth. its is mention here Arbaaz Khan (Indian actor) that he is born in 1964 and in Salman Khan profile it is written that he is born in 1965..this concludes that arbaaz khan is the eldest brother. then why in arbaaz khan's early life section it is ritten that arbaaz is the second son ????

pls correct your information

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.164.2.153 (talk) 12:18, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the information. If you have a reliable source for this information, please feel free to make this change yourself, citing the reliable source, or just respond here with a link to the reliable source, and one of us can help make this change.  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reporting it. It was caused by a disruptive edit. ···V ani s che nu「m/Talk」 17:42, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Unjust Deletion without notice of Article Errol Sawyer
My article about Errol Sawyer has been deleted without notice and is now judged in a very subjective way.

Is there a board to whom I can file a complaint about the behavior of these editors?

I always understood that Wikipedia was meant to be an independent source of knowledge: a democratic Encyclopedia on the Internet.

But a democracy does not work if the ones with the biggest mouth can overrule with bad motives the ones that try to do the right thing.

It is very clear that the photographer Errol Sawyer deserves an article in Wiki, considering the fact that he got a grant for a book and his work is present in important collections.

However, these editors say that Errol Sawyer is not good enough and will never be good enough (!!!) and his article it is a promotion piece, which is nonsense and a remark you can make about every article if you have bad intentions etc.

Their behavior shows clearly prejudice based on the fact that the article has been deleted before.

To whom can I address myself? There must be a board/organ in Wikipedia that deals with the ethics and behavior of editors?

Fred Bokker (talk) 13:16, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * For everyone's benefit, see | the deletion review CaptRik (talk) 14:53, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * For Fred Bokker's benefit, that is where you need to take your concerns. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:20, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Weird display problem
OK folks, I spent some time yesterday afternoon trying to figure out why the "Advertisements" heading previously in this article would not display in Firefox or Chrome, but would in IE. I just changed the heading to "Episodes" and it now displays without a problem. Is the word "Advertisements" on some kind of bad list that causes problems in these browsers? Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 13:31, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * A total guess here – maybe the word "Advertisements" is on some kind of bad list internal to your installations of those browsers? It appears normally for me, if I use my installation of Chrome to view the January 11 version of the article. Maproom (talk) 13:51, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Also total guesses but do you have a pop-up or ad-blocker? Might it have inadvertently blocked the word?  If not, was the heading in any sort of weird ascii characters rather than regular english ones?  I tried the version before your changes and it seems to be fine in my Chrome browser CaptRik (talk) 14:58, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah, head of nail hit! I use AdBlock Plus on both FF and Chrome. That must be it. Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 16:15, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Article Submission Question
Hello,

I am having a terrible time figuring out Wikipedia. I submitted a page for Michigan Deburring Tool but it was rejected. Yet there are pages for Kennametal, Iscar and other manufacturing companies. Why would Michigan Deburring Tool not be published?

Thank you! Pam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michigan Deburring Tool (talk • contribs) 14:51, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The note at the top of Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Michigan_Deburring_Tool explains why it was rejected. You've written the article in too much of a promotional tone.  You need to make it more neutral.  Wikipedia is not the place to advertse your company. RudolfRed (talk) 15:11, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Another major problem is that you have not provided any references at all. See WP:Referencing for beginners for guidance on how to do it. You should also read WP:CORP which contains the rules for determining if a company is sufficiently Notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:18, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia articles are not "accepted" or "rejected" based upon the category of the article. That is, there is no decision that every single manufacturing company must have an article, or that none must.  Decisions are not made based on that.  Instead, Wikipedia's primary purpose is to gather what information has already been written about things in other places by reliable sources.  That is, there needs to be substantial, well-written and in-depth material about a subject that one can find written in reliable sources before something is written about.  As an example, Eric Clapton plays the guitar.  I also play the guitar.  You'll note that people have been writing about Eric Clapton's life and career for a very long time.  There's probably more written about him than the average person has the spare time to even read.  He's obviously someone that there's a lot of information about out there, so Wikipedia has an article about him.  Though I also play the guitar, and thus have something in common with Eric Clapton, there's not a lot written about me in the world.  You can prove I exist, but not much else.  So, if there's a lot of writing in the world about a manufacturing company, for example General Motors is a manufacturing company, but they are a manufacturing company about which many books, magazine and journal articles, and the like, have been written about.  Thus, there is an article about them at Wikipedia.  I have no knowledge of the Michigan Deburring Tool company, but the article you wrote does not give any evidence that people have written about it.  You've shown that it has writing it published itself, that is there's a link to its own website, but really, I can write a lot about myself and publish a website about myself essentially for free; that doesn't really mean that a Wikipedia article about be should be written.  If the Michigan Deburring Tool company is to have an article at Wikipedia, it would need to show beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is enough independent, reliable source material that someone could read from, and then use to write a new article at Wikipedia.  You might want to read this page here for some more reading on what is, and is not, a suitable topic for a Wikipedia article based on what is written about the subject.  Also good to read is FAQ/Organizations, which may answer a lot of your questions.  -- Jayron  32  15:20, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

As well, you're username suggests you have a conflict of interest, and you may be blocked. Go to Changing username. Darrman (talk) 21:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

India Being Misrepresented
Indian Disputed territory shown not as a part of India which is internationally accepted. PoK(Pakistani occupied Kashmir) shown as Pakistani territory claimed by India which is the reverse case. Even Aksai Chin is shown as Chinese territory which is a serious offense. This is an insult to the Democracy of India and biased view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.128.165.4 (talk) 15:28, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If you would like to see something corrected, the best way to do that is 1) find a reliable source which contains the correct information. This is the most important step, as nothing is likely to be changed at Wikipedia unless it is based on reliable sources.  2) Go to the talk page associated with the article where you believe the change needs to be made 3) Suggest the change and explain why, using the information from the reliable source, why the change needs to be made.  I hope this helps you!  -- Jayron  32  15:32, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * We have more than 4 million articles and you didn't give a link but it sounds like you describe a map which shows who is currently controlling the area and not who is the "rigthful" owner. Wikipedia has a neutral point of view policy and should mention land disputes but not take sides. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:42, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * My guess is that the complaint is about this map which explicitly shows disputed teritory, or another map derived from it. I have seen three previous complaints about the map, all from Indians, and all answered as PrimeHunter has done. Maproom (talk) 17:09, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Foreign language sources on English Wiki
Can I use a source written in a foreign language for an article in the English Wikipedia? For example, can I use an article written completely in German for a biography written in English, or can I only use that article in the German Wikipedia? Thanks, HtownCat (talk) 15:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * See WP:NONENG. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:00, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes you can use sources in any language. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:44, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * In fact, it's okay to base an entire article on non-English sources - see the answers to my recent question, here. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:25, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Torre Caja Madrid
The beginning is "The Torre Caja Madrid (Spanish: Madrid Savings Bank Tower)...", I changed it as The Torre Caja Madrid (English: Madrid Savings Bank Tower), but be reverted, was I wrong? (may I use some inappropriate format, anyway, please check it)--淺藍雪 (talk) 17:24, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

by another editor. Common sense always prevails. jcc (tea and biscuits) 18:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * thaanks--淺藍雪 (talk) 09:46, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Problems with Crescent English School (again)
The neutrality of this paragraph (and before it):

Every School had a word “ENGLISH” in their name. Irrespective of whether teacher speaks in English or not, whether their Director/ Founder/ Promoter knew a word in English or not. There was a flood of English medium School in the village. Poor parents who were the ultimate sufferer, it was they who had to shell their hard earned money in providing education to children. Parents had no option but choose between devil and the deep sea. It is at this time, a noble beginning was made by Mogis Ahmed, a social reformer, who took a pledge to change this system and provide a equal opportunity to children from both haves and haves- not, When the so called English medium School were exorbitantly charging a monthly fees of rupees 800- 900 for a Nursery Class admission, he provided a quality education at rupees 150 Monthly charge only. Suddenly word of mouth started, and every year parents would flock to the school, wait outside the school , a night before to seek admission in his school.

's neutrality is very questionable. But since my personal opinion is now involved, I want to ask if anyone can clear this from the article or deneutralize it. Thanks, jcc (tea and biscuits) 17:52, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Aspen Dental Management Inc
Aspen Dental

There is no mention of the current class action fraud case against Aspen Dental Management, Inc. filed in federal NY district court, in 2012. Plaintiffs have numbers of allegations important in the dental industry including unlicensed & unlawful practice of dentistry, lack of full disclosures to patients, high-pressure sales techniques, etc.

See: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/health-science-technology/dollars-and-dentists/aspen-dental-facing-class-action-lawsuit/

Michael W Davis, DDS Santa Fe, NM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.28.236.185 (talk) 18:21, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The place to discuss this is the talk page of the article; in this case, Talk:Aspen Dental. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orangemike (talk • contribs) 18:27, 3 June 2013‎


 * The link you provided was already in the article, but not as a citation. I've moved it to the body of the article (it's now a footnote) and added some related text, and done some reorganzation and cleanup of the article. If you have suggestions for further changes, yes, please post at Talk:Aspen Dental, and please provide a link(s) to the source(s) of information you're suggesting to use to improve the article. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 03:36, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Article page for Natalie Forbes
I have created a page for the actor Natalie Forbes: Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Natalie_Forbes

However, it has been declined on the basis that it lacks sources for her acting career, even though I have included a link to her entry on the IMDB database (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0285386/) - and even though Wiki pages for her former co-stars (e.g. Sabina Franklyn: Sabina_Franklyn) show no references at all.

Please can you let me know what I need to do to make the article acceptable for submission?

Thank you.

Barney Hoskyns (barneyrubble 73) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barneyrubble73 (talk • contribs) 19:48, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Just add some references to reliable sources to the article to support the content. IMDB is user-generated content, so it's no more a reliable source than Wikipedia, unfortunately.  Articles that are biographies of living persons must have at least one reference to a reliable source in order to be published in Wikipedia.  Any other unreferenced articles are at risk of deletion, and the fact that they have not yet been improved or deleted is not an argument for accepting an article with similar problems. -  Ka renjc 21:11, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If you are indeed Barney Hoskyns, then according to the article you are the husband of Natalie Forbes. Please read WP:COI to see why people are strongly discouraged from writing on Wikipedia about a subject with which they are closely associated. -  Ka renjc 21:20, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

How to upload photograph
Hi, I want to upload my photo to creative commons free images, how do I do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ImagenEvelyn (talk • contribs) 22:13, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * At on the page for the upload wizard WP:UPLOAD there is a link to the commons upload wizard. RudolfRed (talk) 22:39, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

information
hello, i want to install window7 to my computer. what will be the detail mehtod and procedure for this. thank you, m khan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.40.157.150 (talk) 22:59, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Do you have an existing computer with Windows XP installed, and do you have a Windows 7 installation CD-ROM? Maybe the Wikipedia Reference Desk can help you with any specific questions.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:23, 4 June 2013 (UTC)