Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 March 28

= March 28 =

How to cite article within a book
Dear colleagues, I am working in my sandbox (User:MarshalN20/Sandbox4) to improve the Peru national football team article. One of my sources is an article by Dr. Steve J. Stein, inside a book ("Futbol"). Could anyone please lend me a hand on how to properly cite this using the Wikipedia citation templates? Thanks in advance.-- MarshalN20 | T al k 00:13, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * That article uses, so use cite encyclopedia. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 00:21, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thank you.-- MarshalN20 | T al k 00:47, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The help page has a list of templates by function. --—  Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:09, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Strong anti Russian bias in Wikipedia article Morjim
This Wikipedia article Morjim (in Goa, India) 'Russian Expatriates' section has a strong anti Russian bias not based on fact. This was raised in the Talk Page but as no one has rectified it I am raising it here.

Currently, there is no Government or Police report which is conclusive about any foreign crime group in Goa.

What are the facts?

- The facts are the Russians are the largest group of foreign tourists in Goa, India. In this article from CNN IBN in 2012, "1,33,683 Russians arrived in the coastal state as against 1,17,683 British tourists during 2011-12". But no substantial involvement in crime according to Government and police records. (Link below)

http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/goa-russians-pip-british-on-tourist-arrival-front/978436.html

- As published in India's largest English news paper 'Times of India'  in 2012, "Foreign tourists from 50 nationalities were involved in crime cases in Goa in the last three years, the Goa assembly was informed the list of nationalities named include Swiss, Australian, USA, French, German, Dutch, Norway, Portuguese, Swedish and Italian besides British, Israelis, among others. "  There was no mention in the parliament of any mafia by any country (link below)

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-07-15/goa/32684472_1_foreign-tourists-goa-assembly-crime-cases

- What about drug arrests in Goa, India? As published in India's largest English newspaper 'Times of India', "Breaking down the records for the year 2011, out the 56 persons arrested, 30 were Indian and 26 were foreigners. Out of the 26 foreigners, 10 were Nigerian, 5 were Nepalese, 3 were French, 2 were Italian, 2 were British, and there was a German, Korean, U.S and a Ghana citizen who were all arrested." (Link below). As you can see most of the drug activity is controlled by Indians and of the foreigners they were mainly from Nepal and Nigeria. No major drug arrests from Russia. (Link below)

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-07-08/goa/32587796_1_kg-drugs-foreigners-police-stations

- The Current Chief Minister of Goa,  Mr. Parrikar, set up a Parliamentry Probe in August, 2012 to investigate the alleged role of Indian politicians to the drug mafia in Goa. The Current Chief Minister set up the parliamentry probe to unearth facts of the drug mafia police nexus in Goa. The chief minister described the issue as serious because he felt powerful Indian politician's were 'involved'. There is no mention of any foreign mafia  (Link below)

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-08-04/goa/33035013_1_roy-naik-manohar-parrikar-atala

What is wrong with this Wikipedia profile? It quotes Indian politicians of one political party Congress making allegations and selective media reports presented as facts. Not a single academic journal or a National Commission report is linked to. These include allegations by one political party Congress politicians and MP even as it alleges in the same paragraph another Congress politician has ties to Russians. It quotes another politician as 'demanding a probe'. When does any politician's demanding a probe be significant enough to get a Wikipedia mention? Note that politcians from the same Congress Party were the elected Government in Goa for 5 years till 2012 and did not arrest a single person whom they could prove was from mafia of any country.

Someone has left a entry in 2013 in this Wikipedia profile which shows the anti Russian bias 'On 2012-2013 New Year's Eve at 0:00 Club Fresh (owned by a Russian and her husband) was trashed by an armed gang consisting of more than 20 men in retaliation over business quarrels, guests were injured including children, property damage to the resort was incurred as well.' If you see the hyperlink,  it has names of the two Indian owners of this club. Also, the Russian lady is married to an Indian. But only the name of the Russian was used in Wikipedia. None of the 3 Indian names mentioned in the hyperlinks were published in Wikipedia. This seems like bias to me. And how does a fight in a club qualify to become serious enough to make it to Wikipedia?

Please could any Wikipedia Editor look into this and correct it if he / she feels this is biased. It seems that some people are using this forum to promote hatred against people from one country. We need a Wikipedia Editor to give a balanced perspective to cover both sides. Cheers from Goa.

GoanJourno (talk) 05:53, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Judge Judy article should be labeled as fiction
There have been additions to the Judge Judy article that include libelous comments and obscenity. If the policy of Wikrpedia to allow such action, alleging lawsuits that don 't exist, quotes that never occurred. and obscene language, then there is no recourse other than a legal action. I'm all for first amendment rights. but false reporting based on tabloid sources equates your publication with damaged credibility. There may be no remedy other than that of legal action. To my knowledge your facts cannot be proven, other than "facts" that just don 't exist. Your credibility has been damaged as a publication. I would recommend that you not claim your writings to be factual. Fiction can be entertaining, but ruining reputations based on falsehoods does cause damage. You'll notice that I 'm using my real nAme, preferring not to hide behind a pseudonym.

Randy Douthit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.114.179 (talk) 07:08, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has no such policy to allow falsehoods. On the contrary, editors generally keep an eye out for them and they are usually actively and quickly removed. Unfortunately, given the size of thos project, on occasions, misleading or dubious information does slip through. Per WP:BOLD, you as an editor are actively encouraged to remove them yourself. However please note that per WP:LEGAL, making legal threats is generally not the best way to solve disputes over Wikipedia content and continuing to do so will lead to your account being blocked and your editing privileges being removed until the matter is resolved. Valenciano (talk) 08:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * However User:Randydouthit has a conflict of interest here, particularly with regard to the section Judge_Judy (which appears to have plenty of references confirming its content). Maproom (talk) 08:53, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * On reflection, this concerns the Judge_Judy article, about a television show and its principal character "Judge Judy". Randy Douthit is the producer of the show. Details of his squabble with his ex-wife, even if confirmed by reliable sources, really don't belong in the article. There is a strong case for removing the whole Conspiracy/fraud allegations subsection, not on the grounds that it's "false reporting based on tabloid sources", but because it's irrelevant to the subject of the article. Maproom (talk) 11:24, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, someone should chop this stuff out.--ukexpat (talk) 14:09, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Maproom, please do not take it upon yourself to remove material that a lot of hard work went into sourcing and structuring based upon two user opinions, one of which is a vandalizing IP account . I'm actually the contributor who incorporated the material on Randy into the Wikipedia articles "Judge Judy" and "Judith Sheindlin." Actually I'm the contributor responsible for most of the content within these articles as I regularly add, monitor, and properly structure the content so that it stays up to date, informative, and presentable. As the main contributor of these articles, as a longtime follower of the Judge Judy program [since early 2000], as a Master's degree student in Journalism, and as an experienced Wikipedia editor, I'm probably the best person to discuss concerns with about the article if there is contention as to its information. Not that other editors can't obviously, but pointing out that it's usually me keeping the article clean of vandalism, inaccuracies, etc.


 * Anyways, I would contend with the statement about Douthit and the lawsuits being irrelevant to the "Judge Judy" show. Mr. Douthit is the show's executive producer, that is, its leading producer. This is all sourced within the article by the way. My reason for the inclusion of the lawsuit information is that the highly publicized controversy in which Judy Sheindlin was sued, from a few weeks back, came from Douthit's ex-wife. The ex-wife had sued Sheindlin, alleging that she and Douthit had acted in a conspiracy-fraud together. (I make sure to make constant use of the word "allege" and quotes in the article). And I felt that a highly publicized controversy in which Sheindlin was the target of a lawsuit as of relates to an executive producer of hers on the Judge Judy program ought to be added into the artice. For a full week in fact, "Judge Judy" was trending on Yahoo News as of relates to this issue and the executive producer of her program. This was not a lawsuit involving Sheindlin and just any ole body from out of her personal life, but the leading producer of Judge Judy.


 * As for the 2 other lawsuits that also brought the show attention, these don't just present random lawsuits about Douthit and people from his personal life either; it involved Douthit—again, leading producer of Judge Judy—being sued by Judge Judy coworkers who worked for Douthit on Judge Judy, revolving around controversial conditions on the job backstage of the Judge Judy show. Moreover, the circumstances regarding the lawsuits are racism, ageism, and discriminatory practices, so they're significant matters allegedly going on backstage of the show enough so that it's spilt into heavy coverage by the media. I'd consider it relevant to the show if it's become such a highly publicized issue that has brought the show a lot of attention because the people responsible for putting the show together are having disputes behind the scenes of the show. Again, they're not simply lawsuits about Douthit and any ole' body from out of his personal life, but directly related to the backstage environment on Judge Judy and other crew members. In fact, Judge Judy herself was assailed by one of the former Judge Judy co-workers who was suing Douthit. The former coworker attacked Sheindlin for conditions backstage of her show because of Douthit's alleged behaviors. This is noted in the section I added to the Wikipedia article, where I quote this woman's comments from the source as stating:


 * "There is a lot of terrible stuff going on if two people file separate lawsuits. It's a toxic situation over there. This is supposed to be Judge Judy, the voice of justice, and yet her own staff isn't treated well. What is she getting paid all that money for if her own staff is treated with such little decency. (This is found at this source )


 * In any event, I think vandalizing the article as was done here is not the way to get one's way here at Wiki. In this respect, I think that the lawsuits are very much relevant to the Judge Judy program. In any event, I've made a formal written request, inviting Mr. Douthit to discuss the matter further with me on his talkpage, giving a polite and detailed presentation of my position and guidelines here at Wikipedia. AmericanDad86 (talk) 15:33, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It may not be irrelevent. But it is absolutely undue weight. The parts of the lawsuits take up an absurd amount of the article. They may perhaps be better suited to their own article if you think they are relevant enough. Livewireo (talk) 20:10, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Livewireo, have you read the guideline on undue weight you posted? It doesn't read about how much information is provided on a topic. It reads on giving an even amount of information on all the viewpoints as provided in a source. Again, it has nothing to do with how much material is in the article. And if there was such a rule, 67% of wikipedia articles would be trimmed of a good half of their information.


 * If you look at the sources I've provided, I basically restated their information in my own words so all sides they provided were presented. What are the Wikipedia guidelines on this supposed "too much information on a subject in an article" because I can point out numerous articles where controversies have been reported on greatly in excess of how much I've reported. As one example Two and a Half Men. This information in this section far and away exceeds the information I've incorporated on the Judge Judy controversies. And sorry to say but just because a public figure doesn't like what numerous credible sources are saying about them and comes along making legal threats doesn't mean it can't be added into Wikipedia. Take it up with all the outside sources like ABC News if you don't like it but don't get your panties in a bunch because I'm relaying it on Wikipedia. AmericanDad86 (talk) 21:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * For now, I've scaled down the section as per the suggestions here, but this is only so as to avoid further editing disputes at the article. However, this debate is still pending as far as I'm concerned as no Wikipedia guidelines have been presented that state that the prior was too much material. I've presented evidence in which controversies on other shows have been elaborated on far in excess of what I've placed in this article and no one ever said a word. Furthermore, I had to revert this IP's vandalism edits before he came here and made legal threats against Wikipedia. This was of course because he didn't like that the site would dare to relay negative information from numerous credible sources like ABC News on him. Rather than blocking the IP for vandalism and threats, I'm shocked that silly reasons have been forged to first remove and now scale down my material. First it was irrelevant and when I disproved that, it then became too bulky. So which is it? Or is it that individuals are scared of legal threats from an IP? I happen not to be shaking in my shoes.AmericanDad86 (talk) 22:13, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, I've tried to compromise on the issue by scaling down but the editing dispute has attracted a belligerent editor, user:Canoe1967, who has now turned it into a content dispute when it never was one, stating that Judge Judy and Randy Douthhit were never even sued at all. This when the long list os sources show that they were. Could someone protect this article until this pending debate is over? AmericanDad86 (talk) 22:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Full protection on article. Changes to article should now be discussed on article talk page or BLPN.--Canoe1967 (talk) 02:33, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Royal Jordanian Falcons
Dear sir My name is Riyadh Ayyoub, the director of engineering and maintenance in the team. I have read the article about us and found some mistakes in the information. I would therefore like to ask you to refer to our website to give you the proper information so that readers will have the true information about the Royal Jordanian Falcons.

Best regards

Riyad Ayyoub Director of Eng. & maintenance. Royal Jordanian Falcons — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.108.63.244 (talk) 13:22, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Normally I would invite you to edit the article and correct the information yourself. But in view of your conflict of interest your best course is to post the specific things that you think should be changed, on the article's talk page Talk:Royal Jordanian Falcons, preferably with citations to where the information can be verified. --ColinFine (talk) 14:20, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I changed the team list from 2011 to 2012 from the website. The link to the 2013 team is either broken or not on your site yet.--Canoe1967 (talk) 14:29, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Easter
Dear Sir/ Madam In the English article on Easter, the front page states at the end of paragraph 2: 'Eastern Christianity bases its calculations on the Julian calendar whose 21 March corresponds, during the 21st century, to 3 April in the Gregorian calendar, in which the celebration of Easter therefore varies between 4 April and 8 May.'

In the UK - Gregorian Calendar, 2013, Easter Sunday is 31st March contradicting the above. Nor is 2013 the first year that Easter has fallen before 4th April. The dates at the bottom of the article look more correct. Please could this be corrected.

Steven Hanna — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.220.11 (talk) 16:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It seems correct. Eastern church Easter is May 5 this year. Western church Easter varies between 22 March and 25 April according to the same paragraph you quoted. Rmhermen (talk) 16:19, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Why only in the UK? Surely it should be "Western churches". Roger (talk) 08:20, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Where does it specify UK? Ryan Vesey 08:29, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It's the OP who mentioned the UK, not the article. Sorry for the confusion. Roger (talk) 10:50, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Help finding town
In the past I could find an adreess inywhere. Now want was dhanged. I can locate the Town and that is the end of it. Help, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.45.241.248 (talk) 17:05, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * You should make an Account!--EatIcecream2 (talk) 17:19, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know what making an account has to do with this. And in order to answer the question, I think you're going to have to be more clear what it is you are talking about. Dismas |(talk) 19:55, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Inspiration art article
Hi there,

I uploaded an article linked with inspiration art and I made the changes the website suggested, however it's still saying there's issues.

Please can you advise me on what to do about this as I'm sure I have followed the guidelines to the best of my ability,

Thanks,

Sheila. — Preceding unsigned comment added by InAK12 (talk • contribs) 17:19, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

inspiration art
Hi,

My question wasn't answered in the links i was given.

The following messages came up but i have made the changes, please help!!

The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for companies and organizations. Please help to establish notability by adding reliable, secondary sources about the topic. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted. Find sources: "Inspiration Art" – news · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images (March 2013) This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (March 2013) Wiki letter w.svg This article has not been added to any categories. Please help out by adding categories to it so that it can be listed with similar articles. (March 2013) This article needs more links to other articles to help integrate it into the encyclopedia. Please help improve this article by adding links that are relevant to the context within the existing text. (March 2013)

(InAK12 (talk) 18:18, 28 March 2013 (UTC))

Inspiration art
Hi again,

Thank you for helping to sort out with the error messages. The message "The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for companies and organizations. Please help to establish notability by adding reliable, secondary sources about the topic. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted. Find sources: "Inspiration Art" – news · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images (March 2013)" is still coming up.

I have already added news articles as part of the references from reputable Kent newspaper websites.

Why is the error still coming up?

Thanks, (InAK12 (talk) 19:19, 28 March 2013 (UTC))


 * The message is not an "error message" - it's something called a "maintenance tag". It's displaying because in your article, you have not indicated why the organization is notable. If you feel that you have, simply remove the tag.  Frigid  Ninja  19:36, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

BOT for template
There appears to be strong consensus here to apply Template: COI editnotice more broadly. This is a short Talk page template that encourages PR representatives to use to point out errors or suggest additions. Specifically we discussed apply it to Category:Companies based in Idaho on a trial basis, then to Category:Companies based in California before applying it to all org articles.

I need a bot to apply the template to the corresponding pages within the categories, but my request at Bot requests went un-answered. I've asked a few editors for help, but none seem to be familiar with how to get things done in this area. CorporateM (Talk) 19:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * What about the WP:AWB request page? Dismas |(talk) 19:59, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/killision
Despite an overwhelming amount of reliable sources mr huon continues to deny my request for a wikipedia page for a band called killision He has absolutly no idea what those guys went through just get the clubs to let us play and his excuse is false, he says because youtube vids of all the bands i listed that played during that scene demolition, dead and bloated, erotikill.mofohomeboys are not proof?its the excact opposite it is undeniable proof than he said my own personal bio?I metioned myself once his ignorance and arrogance leaves me to suggest you have a talk with him about how discern whats noteworthy and what isnt Thank You for your time  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.146.74.182 (talk) 21:27, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Please DO NOT make personal attacked on any editors. If you are to attack someone, I think we'd all appreciate you do with with the correct grammar. It is up to you to prove the notability of the band. There are other AfC reviewers (including myself) who look through these submissions. If you believe Huon is biased, then simply leave an AfC comment asking for another editor to review your entry.  Kinkreet ~&#9829;moshi moshi&#9829;~ 23:24, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * To help explain Kinkreet's comment: the section title used to be something more attack-y. I changed it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:31, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * What the band went through is irrelevant to whether it is, by Wikipedia's standards, notable. This is decided by references to reliable independent sources. The article for creation currently has no references at all. See Citing_sources for an explanation of how references work here. Maproom (talk) 23:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Also see: Notability (music)--Canoe1967 (talk) 02:50, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Do men and women change roles?
I need to know if the man and women change "traditional "roles in sexual fetish cuckold meaning or would she be called different name? 50.102.205.133 (talk) 21:59, 28 March 2013‎ (UTC)
 * This looks like a question for the Reference desk.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:56, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Entry not being accepted
I wrote an entry about Michael T. Bradley a sports journalist and his recent work and it looks like u are not going to accept it, need to understand why?

Thank,

Henry R Bradley — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hankrbradley (talk • contribs) 22:23, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The reasons your edits were reverted was because 1) for the category page, you should not change the category page itself - it will be updated once you added a template to the page. 2) for the disambiguation page, you did not provide a name for the "Sports Journalist/Recruiting authority on high school and college football recruiting". And 3) You need to write in the information in a style consistence with the community; you can refer to WP:MOS for this. Please do not be discouraged from furtheredits, but it'd be a big help if you'd read the guidelines first. Regards,  Kinkreet ~&#9829;moshi moshi&#9829;~ 23:17, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I notice that you attempted to add a name to the disambiguation page for persons named Michael Bradley [here]. I would recommend you contact the editor User:Tassedethe who reverted your edit. I could make at guess at his rationale. There is currently no page on Wikipedia for Michael T. Bradley. I would recommend that you find relevant information with appropriate reputable sources and attempt to create an article on Wikipedia. See My First Article for guidelines on how to do this. If you need help doing so you may contact me via my talk page. The entry you made was also not correctly added to the list. To edit a disambiguation page, please insert your entry in alphabetic order in the existing list. For further information see WP:Disambiguation pages.EagerToddler39 (talk) 23:17, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I see that you have created User:Hankrbradley/Michael T. Bradley Sports Journalist and submitted it for review. Unfortunately, the page has no text! For this to be accepted as a Wikipedia article, it needs to be expanded with some details of the person's life and achievements, with reliable sources to show how readers could check it for themselves. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:00, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Images template
I am looking for a template or tag that will cycle through a series of images in one frame. Anyone know of anything like this? —  nerd fighter  22:36, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I found a MediaWiki software extension here that allows for slideshows on wikis using MediaWiki (like Wikipedia), but as far as I know, I don't think that or any other slideshow-type feature is installed here on Wikipedia. Anyone know any differently? --Nick—Contact/Contribs 01:17, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I tested it in my sandbox but it doesn't work. —  nerd fighter  01:22, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I need extra script. Any other options that will be visible to everyone? —  nerd fighter  01:24, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No, but something like this is being discussed at Village pump (technical) -- John of Reading (talk) 07:55, 29 March 2013 (UTC)