Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 May 21

= May 21 =

user name change
Hi there-

Can u help me change our clubs name from lapeerskatingclub to Lapeer Skating Club? Thank you! I thought I was just doing a username not our proper title.

Thank you!

Meagan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lapeerskatingclub (talk • contribs) 00:01, 21 May 2013‎
 * You cannot have a username for your club. A username may only be used by one person.   See WP:ISU and WP:FAQO RudolfRed (talk) 01:02, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You created a now deleted page at User:Lapeerskatingclub. That was the user page for the account so it was named after the account. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I need advice
I need advice.

I am an editor and have not previously encountered the following issue.

I added referenced content to wikipedia page about John Ben Shepperd which has been deleted by a new editor.

The new account, Bbrescia, appears to be associated with the John Ben Shepperd Leadership institute. The account removed all content referring to John Ben Shepperd's early career activities opposing racial desegregation mandated by the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision.

What is the best way to avoid a revert war?

Robert1947 (talk) 04:08, 21 May 2013 (UTC) Robert1947
 * If the impetus for the reversion is that "There is no evidence that he acted from any belief in racism," then maybe removing language that would hint at a belief in racism would be helpful. We do, after all, strive for NPOV.  "Defender of racial segregation" sounds a little heavy on the side of "possible racist".  The best approach is to preempt the revert war and open a discussion on the talk page to hammer out the details.  There's certainly no hurry in getting out the Shepperd story.  In doing so, we may also be able to determine if the opposing editor has a conflict of interest. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Stormie Haworth
Please move User:User:Stardog mgmt/Stormie Haworth to User:User:Stardog mgmt/Stormie Haworth or wherever you think best (it was in the Wikipedia namespace, but I cannot move it). Please also inform User:Stardog mgmt about this move. Thanks! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC) Also, move Angela Taylor (wrong namespace), Happy editing! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:28, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * On it. Give me a moment... Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  08:41, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * All sorted, affected editors notified. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  08:48, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Just a note: the page was moved to User:Stardog mgmt/Stormie Haworth. --CiaPan (talk) 11:15, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the rapid response! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:46, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation
Hi, I submitted an article yesterday (Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ice Pigging), but I cannot see the article in the table of submissions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Submissions). Is it normal ? Did I submit my article in the right way ?

Thanks in advance, Aurélien — Preceding unsigned comment added by AurelienPrat (talk • contribs) 10:27, 21 May 2013‎ (UTC)


 * Not quite - you need to add the code  to the top of the page in order to complete the submission and list it for review. Yunshui  雲 &zwj; 水  10:45, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * There had been a resubmission click here link in the draft, but you deleted it in . - David Biddulph (talk) 10:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * That seems to happen a lot. RJFJR (talk) 13:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Article is not displaying in google search
i have published a wikipedia on kobster.com in which i am presently working. The article when searched it comes like User:Sumeetdeepak/sandbox. It should be titled as kobster.com!. I have gone through all the help pages but i didn't get any solution. Kindly help me out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumeetdeepak (talk • contribs) 12:31, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * At the moment it isn't an article, it is a userspace draft. If you want to submit the draft for review through the WP:AFC process, then put  at the top of your sandbox draft. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:41, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Sumeet, presently, that article reads like an advertisement for the company, and is likely to get deleted before it ever sees the light of day. The references used may not conform to the reliable sources guidelines.  This source apparently doesn't even have an editorial policy that governs the capitalization of Java, SQL, etc.  You're going to have to work harder to establish why this 8 month-old company is notable for inclusion on Wikipedia.   Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

How can I get a list of articles I have created?
At the bottom of the User Contributions page there is a link, "Articles created", that leads to the http://toolserver.org/~tparis site. However, when I select this I receive a "page not available" message. It seems that the site has been deleted because the owner no longer updates the site. There was a similar tools site a few years ago that suffered a similar fate. Is there any other way of getting a list of the articles I have created? Hohenloh + 12:52, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, it's suddenly started working again (maybe someone saw this message!). Hohenloh + 13:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The toolserver is a bit tempermental these days (it's on its way out) but it will still work - some of the time. It's possible to check your recent creations by going to Special:NewPages and plugging your username in, but that will only give you results from the last month or so. You could also try filtering Special:Contributions by article space only, and then hunting down those entries with a big N next to them. Neither of these methods is particularly ideal, though - I'd suggest just holding out for the toolserver's relocation... Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:03, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Notability: Request for review? Just remove tag?
So many years ago I created an article: Champions_Day

At the time of creation the article was (correctly) flagged for a few problems included lack of content (Stub), lack of references, and possible lack of Notability. Over the months I, and a few others, have worked to clean up the article. There is significantly more content, including expansion of the intro, expansion of the two existing sections and the addition of three new sections. We've also added more than 20 additional references.

In those references are links to newspaper stories from around Michigan (as the story deals with Michigan events) but also from Ontario, Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and even Texas, New York, and California. Some of these are more modern stories and some of them are from the year of the original celebration in 1936.

In my opinion this satisfies the notability of this article. However, I don't know if there is a procedure that needs to be followed when looking at removing a notability tag. I didn't want to just remove it if there is a process of requesting review. I've tried to search Wiki for help with this but can't find any info other than the 'definition' of what notability is. There doesn't seem to be any info about removing a tag after the fact.

Thanks for any help/advice you can provide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrbee (talk • contribs) 13:39, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and removed the notability tag, I think it is a pretty good article. My general rule is that someone with no significant connection should just take a look at it for removal of the notability tag.Naraht (talk) 14:06, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate the help!

Rrbee (talk) 14:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

List of Natural Gas Utilities
Your list of Natural Gas Utilities is not correct. I am most interested in ME, NH and MA and all are incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.66.122 (talk) 14:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * So fix it. -- Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:30, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Email message as source
Hello, I hope someone can help me with my problem. How would you use an email message as a source on wikipedia? I have two messages sent from the Statistics of Lithuania and Croatian Bureau of Statistics about a minority group in the country, which cannot be found on their website. --Ahmetyal (talk) 14:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You can't use it. Sources must be published, so that the information can be verified by an interested reader. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay then. --Ahmetyal (talk) 14:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You could send an email back and ask for the source the email came from. I would think a Bureau of Statistics probably releases information in a report or some form of reliable source that can be used as a reference. Otr500 (talk) 02:29, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Lead of Pitbull
No one's responded to to this recommendation regarding the length of the lead. Hopefully, someone here with good BLP editing skills might be interested in taking care of it. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 15:07, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Working on it. EBY (talk) 18:32, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ EBY (talk) 21:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Great job, EBY. Thank you! --76.189.109.155 (talk) 03:31, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect information on Dimensional Fund Advisors page
Hi,

My name is Olga Castro and I work for the Marketing department at Dimensional Fund Advisors. The information listed on the Wikipedia page is outdated and some of it is incorrect. I would like to change this information then make the page private so that it cannot be changed back.

Thank you,

Olga — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.179.173.187 (talk) 15:15, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You should not edit the page, since you have a conflict of interest. Read the guidelines at WP:COI.  Post your suggested changes on the article's talk page and then add request edit.  Pages are usually only put under protection if there is a large amount of ongoing vandalism.   RudolfRed (talk) 15:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You can't make it private so that it can't be changed back. This is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit, unless they have a conflict of interest which prevents them contributing with a neutral point of view. The place for you to suggest changes is at Talk:Dimensional Fund Advisors, but make sure that you provide references to published independent reliable sources to support your proposals. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:24, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Olga, edits such as these: "Institutional investors can access Dimensional funds directly or through their consultant by contacting Dimensional," which was submitted by someone from your IP address, absolutely does not conform to encyclopedic standards. Wikipedia is not the Yellow Pages.  Articles should be written objectively about the company, not in promotional language.  Hope this helps to manage your expectations.  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:59, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Correction or retraction required
In Marc Randazza, Joseph Rakofsky is described as a "failed lawyer." However, that is false.

Please remove that sentence or take down the article immediately. I have sued a number of individuals who have published false statements about me. Please do not force me to sue you also.

Thank you.

Kind regards,

Joseph Rakofsky — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph2707 (talk • contribs) 16:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I have removed the word 'failed' from the article. For further reference, I suggest you take note that there was nothing to prevent you removing this yourself. I'd also suggest that you read No legal threats. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Carl Bradshaw
The link to Carl Bradshaw is incorrect and says he went to prison? Please change this asap as his new film is coming out and Jamaicans will start to complain. There are 2 famous Carls Smile Orange (film) Thanks and have a nice day :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.225.143 (talk) 17:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for pointing it out. I've removed the incorrect link. You could have done so yourself, as this is Wikipedia, the encyclopedia than anyone can edit. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

History
Is there a way of finding out what the name of a page was when it was created? if the page history is too long to see. Pass a Method  talk  18:39, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've never seen a page whose history was too long to see (although I suspect the main page is such an example). Can you give the example?-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  18:45, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The page is not too lng, but its difficult to pinpoint all the page moves as there have been multiple. Im speaking about Kutub al-Sittah but thats beside the point. Pass a Method   talk  19:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If it helps, here is the very first version of the page. Dismas |(talk) 19:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

editing Moab, Utah, article
I want to add a citation for something in the Moab, Utah, article on Wikipedia. In the section on Transportation, it says a citation is needed here:

Transportation

Prior to the construction of the railroad in 1883, Moab was a strategic place to cross the Colorado River. A toll ferry service across the river ended when a permanent bridge was built in 1911.[citation needed]

I have that citation: Grand Valley Times, 12 April 1912, from the Utah Digital Newspaper Archive:

http://udn.lib.utah.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/timind1/id/55017/show/55018/rec/107

I just don't know how to insert it.

Rdale4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdale4 (talk • contribs) 19:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I've added the citation to the article; good job finding it! Citing_sources is a good place to start if you want to learn how to add citations, and you can format them nicely using the templates at Citation templates.
 * Also, you can sign your posts by adding four tildes ( ~ ) after your comment. Happy editing!    Sophus Bie  (talk) 19:17, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

That was quick! Thanks! Rdale4 ~


 * You're welcome! I'm afraid I fail at explaining signatures, however; the   tags were just so that the tildes didn't turn into my signature; you'll have to take them off in order to sign. It's explained a bit better at Help:Wiki_markup.     Sophus Bie  (talk) 19:26, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Need help creating a proper gallery in Azerbaijani rug
(From my post here) At Azerbaijani rug, an ip put a lot of work into creating a gallery, but placed it at the top of the page in a manner that causes display problems. Per MOS it should go at the bottom, but my attempts to do so could not fix the display problems. Anyone have time to get it up to MOS, a nice gallery with appropriate captions and alt-text that the ip attempted but didn't get to work? --Ronz (talk) 19:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I placed them vertically. Ruslik_ Zero 19:34, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated! I'd like help changing it to a proper gallery, with the alt-text working, but at least the display problems are gone. --Ronz (talk) 20:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

New Article Submission
Hello, I would like to create an entry in Wikipedia for a well known product in the worldwide marketplace. The name of the product is Penetrex. Currently, the only reference available for Penetrex within Wikipedia references an old, discontinued, irrelevant product which went by the generic name of Enoxacin. At one time, the drug Enoxacin was also known by a brand name...Penetrex. The drug is no longer available, it has been discontinued. The Penetrex trademark for this particular use has expired and is officially "DEAD".

The Trademark is active and currently held by Biomax Health Products, Inc. of Del Mar, CA for use as a topical, over-the-counter analgesic.  As I began my quest to accomplish this task on my own, I could not help but get the impression that, due to my lack of experience in this area, I would benefit from approaching this Community Help Desk resource to elicit advice moving forward.

Might someone be able to steer me in the right direction? Thank-you in advance.

Sincerely, Pamela Weiss — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penetrex (talk • contribs) 20:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The important question is whether there are multiple reliable sources, independent of Biomax, which discuss the drug (not just catalogues and price lists). If there are, then the subject is notable, and may have an article. If you are associated with the company (which I suspect you are, from what you have written), you have a conflict of interest, and so should not create such an article yourself; but if I have misinterpreted and you are not associated, then you may create the article yourself: see WP:Your first article. Otherwise you could request an article at WP:Requested articles. --ColinFine (talk) 22:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Added bracket to ColinFine's response so Wlink would work— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:27, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If it were in fact a drug, it would be possible to find such sources about it. But Penetrex, like Tiger Balm, etc., is a blend of harmless substances (listed on the company's own web site), and has therefore not needed to go through the thorough testing required of drugs. My own use of Google to look for sources that would be acceptable here found nothing convincing. YMMV. Maproom (talk) 22:51, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

My article entitled: Clear View (house)
Hello

I was in the process of writing about a house of interest as per the above subject line. It was not my intention to release it yet as more work was required to it. However, by saving the article I appear to have inadvertently placed it on Wikipedia and I note it has been deleted.

I have some questions:

1) How do I access the article so I can do more work to it? 2) How do I simply save the article as a draft without releasing it? 3) When I am finished and want it published on Wikipedia how do I go about this? 4) Out of interest why was the article deleted?

Thank you in advance for your kind attention to this matter.

Kind regards Paul

Moulash (talk) 20:44, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * According to the deleting administrator's summary, the article was deleted as "unambiguous advertising or promotion: no independent sources, no evidence of notability". If you would like to work on the article to address these problems, the best first step is to go to the talk page of that administrator,, and ask him to restore the article in your userspace. Unless the article contained a copyright violation or defamation of a living person, he will probably be willing to do so. (If for some reason he isn't, you can ask at WP:REFUND.) When you think the article is ready for the encyclopedia, you can submit it at Articles for creation or (perhaps after asking the advice of Jimfbleak or some other knowledgable Wikipedian with regard to its suitability) just move it to the article space yourself. Deor (talk) 22:07, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, Moulash. Your article was deleted by User:Jimfbleak, with the explanation "G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: no independent sources, no evidence of notability)". If you ask him (or another administrator) to userfy the article, they will place it in a sub page of your user page, where you can work on it. However, if Jimfbleak's judgment is accurate, it is probably not worth it, because the article would need to be started from scratch. If on researching you discover that the subject is notable (which it may be, but according to Jimfbleak your draft article didn't say so), then it will be worth trying again: I suggest you read WP:YFA. --ColinFine (talk) 22:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * What killed it was language like this (all peacock words taken verbatim from your article draft): "successful and well regarded quantity surveyor and engineer", "enjoyed a wonderful and unobstructed view of the luscious Purley Downs" "tremendously modern dream home occupying a favourable spot overlooking an uninterrupted vista of endless greenery", "good sized plot of land large enough to accommodate a generous sized house, "embraced all that was Art Deco and in vogue at the time", "enjoys all day sun", "enjoyed 4 bedrooms, 3 of which were extraordinarily large": this reads like a real estate agent's listing, not an encyclopedia article. Forgive my cynicism, but combined with your insertion of the house into at least one other article, one cannot but wonder whether you are involved with the house or its owner(s) in some way. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  18:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Your opening sentence on Barack Obama is inaccurate and misleading...
To Whom It Concerns; I don't know who's responsible for the content on this page about Barack Obama, but it is inaccurate and misleading. On the page, you claim that Obama is the first African American president. It should read that he's the first bi-racial president! His father was black, but his mother was white! There is no scientific evidence that the black gene is dominant. By listing him as the first African American president, you are doing a disservice to any future person, who is full African American and becomes president! Also, in my opinion, you yourselves come off as being racist for thinking the black gene is dominant by listing him as the first African American president, when he clearly is not. Thank You; Wayne White — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.65.249 (talk) 21:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * (Not that it's relevant – but there is no such thing as "the black gene", dominant or otherwise.)


 * Obama is American, so the article about him uses American terminology, in which someone with 50%, or even 25%, African ancestry is regarded as black. As a Brit, I find this weird; but that's the way those guys use the word. Maproom (talk) 21:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * To add to Maproom's response, the issue is not whether I, or you, or anyone else thinks he should or should not be called something. The issue is "what to the preponderance of reliable sources say on the matter".  The vast majority of very reliable sources, when using any such terminology, use the phrase "African-American" or the word "Black", unless specifically discussing his familial history in detail.  There's no analysis done here at Wikipedia to figure out whether or not such sources are "logically sound", merely that Wikipedia matches the preponderance of mainstream, reliable sources.  Or to put it in simpler terms: nearly everyone else calls him the first African-American President, so Wikipedia should too.  The fact that we can come up with reasons why those sources should, or shouldn't, call him so is irrelevant.  Wikipedia is not built on what we can reason our way into (after all, there's often good arguments to be made on both sides of any question), it's built on what the rest of the world says.  -- Jayron  32  23:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Just to confuse the matter further, in the wrong place, by some American definitions, Mr. Obama is not an African-American at all. Since the United States is a nation of immigrants, every American has one or more national origins, and hyphenated national terms indicate those origins, so that I could say that I am British-American.  The term African-American is sometimes used to refer to a "national origin" of the dreadful trans-Atlantic slave trade.  There is no indication that Mr. Obama's ancestors on either side came to the United States in slave holds.  If one uses the term African-American to refer to the Middle Passage, he is not an African-American at all, because he is a Kenyan-American on his father's side.  However, reliable sources do, contradicting themselves, refer to him both as the first African-American president and the first black President.  I just threw that comment in.  It isn't worth discussing here.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:59, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, the place for any such discussion is the article talk page. This Help Desk is for questions about how to edit Wikipedia, not what should be in Wikipedia.  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:47, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Adding ideal spacing between an apostrope and quote mark
I have used the following citation in an article: which formats as: As you can see, since the title ends in an apostrophe, and the template properly places quote marks around the title, it results in the end of the title appearing as: ''' This is not ideal spacing. If it were in plain text (I could dispense with the citation template, but I don't wish to) I could use "'. I could place a non-breaking space after the apostrophe, or use  maybe? but I'm not sure that that spacing is ideal. Is there a standard solution?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:04, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You could add  after 'revirginize' to insert a thin space between the closing single quote and the closing double quote. In a case like this, it might also be acceptable to use "curly" single quotes (available in the drop-down menu below the edit window) around revirginize to distinguish the quotation marks. Deor (talk) 22:23, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps writing the title as "Oxford English Dictionary's hunt for the origins of 'revirginize' " will do the trick: "Oxford English Dictionary's hunt for the origins of 'revirginize' "? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:39, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Aha!  seems perfect. Thank you Deor! And thank you Justlettersandnumbers as well. I had though of using a non-breaking space (in my question) but it's a full space so doesn't look quite right. I think I'll go add this to the places I immediately went to look for an answer but found nothing.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:45, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Single+space would be simpler. --  Gadget850talk 12:50, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Confused! - Photo adding to infobox
Hello,

I am very lost on how to add a picture to the infobox that shows up on the right hand side of a wiki page. I looked online and you have a lot of info of how to add a photo that already has a place online, but how can I add a logo of the company from my computer to wiki?

Thank you.


 * Before you can use any picture in a Wikipedia article, you first have to upload it to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons: see WP:UPLOAD. Normally in order to use a picture it must be either in the public domain, or have been specifically released under a suitable licence by the copyright holder; in the case of company logos it is usually possible to upload and use them only following the terms of the non-free content policy.
 * (And please sign your posts on any talk or discussion page by four tildes: ~ ) --ColinFine (talk) 22:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Some logos are public domain and others are not. It would be easiest to upload to here at approx. 300px wide. If you think it is PD from lack of creative detail you could ask at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright with a link to the company website. They are pretty good at judging PD. If it is borderline then someone could put it in deletion review over there to help decide where it should be hosted. I usually make the call myself and decide which project should host it. File:Branson Belle stage curtain 2005.jpg is one that may be borderline. They would still need Template:Trademarked no matter where they are uploaded though. Most times you can ask at this help desk with a link to the company website or article. Someone may volunteer to rip a newer one from the website and replace it. The copyright ones would also need Template:Orphaned non-free revisions to remove older versions after the new one is uploaded.--Canoe1967 (talk) 06:53, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Daniel Martony Professional Baseball Player
I did not know where else to post this to but I am a huge fan of Danny's and believe he should have a wiki page made for him. He is a Professional Baseball Pitcher who plays for Winnipeg Goldeyes in the American Association and former played with Gateway Grizzlies of the Frontier League. He attended NCAA Division 1 Oral Roberts University where he played on a baseball scholarship. He is born and raised in Santa Barbara, Ca and birthday is January 31st, 1989. You can look up many articles on him to verify all the facts and countless stories on him or articles about his achievements. Please someone with some wiki training and experience help all of his many fans out into making him a legitimate Wikipedia page. Thank you and God Bless! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.76.142.144 (talk) 22:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * If there are indeed such articles, then we could have a page about him. You could try writing it yourself - see WP:Your first article; or you might find somebody to help you at WT:WikiProject Baseball; or failing that you could make a request at WP:Requested articles. --ColinFine (talk) 22:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Sergei Makarov
I tried to fix this page to use just one template, but for some reason I destroyed everything. I tried to fix it, but it didn't work. Can someone help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.170.129.173 (talk) 23:51, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you were trying to do - but it clearly didn't work, so I've restored the article to the state it was before you started editing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:59, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I was trying to do this. I'm not sure why all those changes kept on being made. 108.170.129.173 (talk) 00:45, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Curious. Some sort of software glitch possibly? Anyway, is it all right now? AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:56, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Do you have the browser extension Dictionary of Numbers? That can cause removal of strings starting with numbers. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:00, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I do. That seems to be the problem. Thank you PrimeHunter, I'll disable it from now on. 108.170.129.173 (talk) 01:45, 22 May 2013 (UTC)