Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 May 24

= May 24 =

Edmond-Paul Joseph Philion
Please be advised that your, information about my son is incorrect. Ed was born in Windsor Ontario not Montreal, Quebec. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.180.26 (talk) 01:22, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * What article page are you referring to? Please put reliably sourced correct information on the article talk page.   Robert McClenon (talk) 01:29, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps this one: Ed Philion. Seems devoid of any references.  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:09, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Good find. I made many searches but couldn't find the article because it only contains one of the four names given here. The infobox has a reference to DatabaseFootball.com. The name and birth place was changed in . I have reverted it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:46, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

How to append another user to open Sockpuppet Investigation?
Hi, I recently re-opened a sockpuppet investigation here and after submitting, I discovered another account, FanforClark13, which I wanted to add to the list (even though he's blocked). I've tried to add * under the existing user, but when I hit Preview, the user name shows up as "Example". How do I add this other sock? Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:53, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've just tried to paste the code you gave and it shows correctly in preview... --CiaPan (talk) 04:58, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, after reading your comment, I copy/pasted the text again and the preview suddenly worked, so I re-submitted it. This isn't the first time I've experienced this issue, so I wonder if it's somehow tied into the User Compare Report which generates every hour?  Whatevs.  In the future I'll just wait an hour if I mess up.  Although I still do wonder if there isn't a quicker way to do this, like by RE-re-opening the investigation.  I appreciate that you looked into it.  :D  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:30, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Hiding frame around an image
Is there a way to hide the frame (the rectangular box) around an image when using Annotated image so that it just displays like

--  Toshio   Yamaguchi  07:36, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Not using that template. The frame comes from the outer div element, which has a style specification wired to "border:solid #ccc 1px;" (solid, light gray, 1px border). But you might roll your own copy of it. —teb728 t c 08:17, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I pasted the markup of the template to Annotated image 2 and removed the border code here. But when previewing my sandbox with Annotated image 2 instead of Annotated image, the border is still there. What else do I need to adjust in the template markup? --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  08:35, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Try again. I changed it to specify border:none; —teb728 t c 08:58, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Perfect. Thanks TEB, now it's exactly as I want it. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  09:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Add this to the original template: |image-css =border:none; |image-bg-color=white; border:none; styles the outer thumb. The inner thumb doesn't have a general style parameter, but you can stuff your CSS inside a specific style parameter. --  Gadget850talk 14:50, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Gadget. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  18:33, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Sending papers
Dear： Sorry to trouble you.I'm going to send my papers, but I do not know how to pass,please tell me. huangguizhi 24 May 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wuhuangguizhi (talk • contribs) 08:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello huangguizhi, Whoever you were trying to contact, this is not the place. This is the Help desk of Wikipedia the free encyclopedia. —teb728 t c 08:33, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

new borns
A PHOTO OF MY CHILD WAS ON A FACEBOOK PAGE (NEW BORNS) YOU ARE AFFILIATED TO IT WOULD SEEM. I DONT CARE WHAT FACEBOOK SAY ABOUT PHOTO SHARING IT SOUNDS LIKE A CRIMINAL ACT THAT PEOPLE GET JAIL TIME TO ME!!!!!!!. BE CAREFUL..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.32.1.245 (talk) 09:27, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Please don't over react. Facebook uses your own photos and photos of friends on community pages (and are visible to you only). This has nothing at all to do with Wikipedia. Unless you can point us to an article on Wikipedia that uses these images I'm afraid there's no issue to be dealt with. Please read for further information, this is basically some fear mongering/scam that is going around at the moment that you have fallen victim to.  Я ehevkor  ✉  09:34, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * We are not affiliated with Facebook. They use some of our material on their site, as they and anyone else are permitted to. But we have no control over what they display alongside it. Maproom (talk) 14:41, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Rudnay
Please check Sándor Rudnay article.--Rovibroni (talk) 13:26, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see you attempting to discuss this on the article's talkpage. Please do so, and come to a consensus for the article's title before attempting to move it again. If you and User:Raysdiet are unable to reach an agreement, there are dispute resolution procedures you can request. However, continuing to edit war over the title without discussion is not acceptable, and will lead to a block. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:38, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

How to use a template cross-wiki? Is it allow? or possible?
June 29, 2024 <-- So I want to use time template to display current time in a place that when viewer visit it display realtime (not the way sympol in signature fixed time in the page once and forever). My question, can I do that?

I'm from Vietnam wikipedia, and my wiki don't provide { { t i m e } } (not include space between) (or now, or every similar time template, only local-language templates but I try all the word and doesn't work). And I try some basic way but I can't manage to figure it out myself. So I ask here in en.wiki. Thanks for reading and answering.

Example: When I'm commenting in my local Wiki yet want to link to english wiki, I can just put en:fine art (put [ [ en:fine art ] ]/[ [ mỹ thuật ] ] not [ [fine art] ] because in Vi.wiki the article "fine art" doesn't exist, only "mỹ thuật", en redirect article to en.wiki) and article linked, but doesn't work like that for en:template... that's what I asking about. vi:Mỹ_thuật

UKURL (talk) 14:15, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

P.s. ''Why I can't write down a cross-wiki article link in this helpdesk?? [ [ vi:Mỹ_thuật ] ] vi:Mỹ_thuật (Ctrl+LeftClick take me to target) always refuse to display here. Only see in code/editing mode, once I save my post, it become unavailable. You can view my post in code-mode, and see it was hidden between other texts. Is there serious reason make admin make this restriction? I just put a reference article from other wiki and it hidden?! Or en.wiki provides another way to do that?'' UKURL (talk) 14:36, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * To answer your second question first: you can put an explicit cross-wiki link in text by preceding it with another colon, so vi:Mỹ_thuật comes out looking like vi:Mỹ_thuật. I'm not sure about your first question, except that I'm pretty sure that you can't include material (such as templates) from one wiki to another. This is a technical limitation of the software. If you want to ask further, WP:VPT is probably the best place. --ColinFine (talk) 14:57, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Correct, you cannot transclude or substitute templates across wikis. And for the colon stuff, see WP:Colon trick.--ukexpat (talk) 14:59, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks both of you. But if I still want to use a time template in my local wiki, now how to do that? I've to create it from scratch or what? But where to read the sample of code or such for that time display function...? Maybe I just need to give up this thing. UKURL (talk) 15:20, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I believe you would have to physically copy the text template and all of the other templates that it transcludes  to the other Wiki, being sure to properly attribute it per Wikipedia's license. -- Jayron  32  15:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, and also make sure that any MediaWiki extensions that the templates rely upon are installed on the target wiki.--ukexpat (talk) 15:28, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, sounds not easy. I've no idea about mediawiki extensions that required on local wiki. I'm only the regular user there, and installing extensions into wiki sounds like admin activity... maybe I need to ask my local admins/staffs if I need further help. Thanks for spending time with me.


 * Installing extensions is something not even admins can do: it must be done by the people who maintain the software itself, and can't be done through the Wiki interface. You can however find what extensions are installed: in English Wikipedia its at Special:Version. --ColinFine (talk) 18:39, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

UKURL, your signature is unreadable, at least for me.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 17:36, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Top icons
Hi. I know it's possible to place navigation icons to the right of the page title. Someone have a clue how?

Thanks.--YanikB (talk) 14:41, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Do you mean on a user page? Depends what kind of topicons - I have my DYK noms/assists in a user subpage (User:Ukexpat/F) that I transclude on my user page. My "user rights" icons are produced by templates on my user page, such as .--ukexpat (talk) 14:54, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Your file Ukexpat/F gave me the solution. Many thx.--YanikB (talk) 15:06, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You're welcome.--ukexpat (talk) 15:41, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

declined vs deleted
TERMINOLOGY

Is "declined" only a term used for drafts, and that draft will stay available for edit indefinitely?

Is the term "deleted" only applied to formerly active articles that are no longer active?

AVAILABILITY

Can deleted articles still be accessed by registered or non-registered users in any way?

Is there a period of time after which deleted articles can not be accessed?

Is the status of a deleted article the same as one that is still in draft?

GS Silver (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:26, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Declined drafts are kept for ~1 year or so after improvements have stopped, when it is considered abandoned. Deleted material may have been articles, talk pages, user pages, user talk pages, etc. Deleted articles can still be accessed by admins; for a limited time, a cached version may still be available online. Deleted material may be restored upon request, but if it contained copyright issues, it cannot. Previously deleted articles may have additional difficulties getting a subsequent article approved, it depends on the causes for deletion; drafts are usually evaluated independently, but may be compare to those higher standards. See Requests for undeletion. Dru of Id (talk) 15:37, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * "Declined" is used in two contexts: first, when a draft article is deemed not ready to be moved to mainspace; second, when a speedy deletion or proposed deletion is contested.


 * "Deleted" effectively means hidden from view. The text of deleted articles can be viewed only by admins. There is no drop dead date for a deleted article.


 * A draft article can be viewed by anyone, a deleted article cannot, so they do not have the same status.--ukexpat (talk) 15:39, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Drafts - 2 questions
How would I find a draft by another user of an article I am interested in creating?

What is the point/significance of a draft being in "decline" status if it hasn't been submitted yet anyway? Or is is "decline" only for drafts that have already been submitted?

GS Silver (talk) 15:53, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * To find a draft, use the search function. When the results are displayed, make sure that the "Wikipedia", "Wikipedia talk", "User" and "User talk" boxes are checked, then click the "search" button again. "Declined" should only be for drafts that have already been submitted and reviewed.--ukexpat (talk) 16:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Something to hang a ref off of...
Let's say that I am doing the Notable people associated with Blah-blah University. The first subheader for that is the University Presidents, which thanks to Blah-blah University are all listed on one page. So I make the list, but I'm a little stuck on where to put the ref. To me, it doesn't belong in the header (I hate ==Presidents ==, it makes the Table of Contents look odd. OTOH, it doesn't look right to put it on one of the entries either, so I normally put in text that looks like "The Presidents of Blah-blah University were " . Ideas on how this should be done?Naraht (talk) 17:06, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I think it's in the MOS somewhere that refs should not be in headings. I would just add a line that says: "The following is a list of Presidents:..." and add the ref immediately after the colon.--ukexpat (talk) 17:16, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You could also add the citation into the section as the first entry and put all other stuff below it, ie


 * ==University presidents==   * President X * President Y * President Z


 * --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  18:52, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, but then you have a superscript reference number dangling all by itself in whitespace which doesn't look good from a layout point of view.--ukexpat (talk) 19:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Try this:




 * --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  21:17, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Nope, see MOS:HEADING: Citations should not be placed within or on the same line as section and subsection headings.--ukexpat (talk) 01:25, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanx to all, ukexpat, I didn't know that there was a MOS rule, but it doesn't surprise me. I think you and I are on the same page, add a line specifying what the list is and add the ref to that.Naraht (talk) 15:17, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

New log-in procedure security
When I clicked on the button to try the new log-in procedure I was surprised to see what looked like the password field already filled in. It would seem that anyone who uses this computer could log-in as me without knowing the password. Can this be corrected? - Fartherred (talk) 18:56, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I think storage of passwords is a browser option, which you should disable if you use a shared or public computer.--ukexpat (talk) 19:15, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I know of no Wikipedia setting that auto-fills your password.  Dismas |(talk) 19:17, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * That was my mistake. It looked like the password was filled in because a number of blackened circles appeared in the password field just as appear when I type in my password.  However when I just recently tried to log in with the new form it gave the error message indicating no password.  The only problem is a slightly scary appearance.  - Fartherred (talk) 20:18, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

New editor - need help referencing source/s
Hi all -

Stumbled upon a page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Aragones) that badly needed editing and very quickly prompted me to create an account. I made some edits, even then the article still feels unpolished. I tried adding sources, but I got an error I can't seem to resolve (after a little bit of reading):

Cite error: There are <!ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a template or a <!references /> tag (see the help page).

I read the help page, added the markup, but the issue persists. Does the markup need to be closed or something else?

Thanks for the quick help!


 * ✅ - References should be placed after the sentence they support. I think you had one of yours at the top of the page before the "references needed" template.  I also added a Reference section and the  tag.  I'm not sure if the source you added meets Wikipedia's reliable sources standards, though.  Regards. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:35, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Challenge inappropriately titled & protected article?
The title of the article Environmental policy of the Harper government has no legitimate basis, as no other democratically-run national government is typically referred to by the leader's name. Would an article on Chinese or Iranian environmental policy be titled "Environmental Policy of Chairman Mao's Government" or "Environmental Policy of Ayatollah Khomeini's Government"? How do you challenge an arbitrarily admin-protected article title such as this? How do you report/challenge the status of an admin that's clearly abusing their own position by advancing such a radically partisan, anti-democratic point of view? --Emperor Zhark (talk) 22:29, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well you could always start a discussion at the articles talk page here Talk:Environmental policy of the Harper government. You might also want to read WP:Wikipedia is not a democracy.  He  iro 22:40, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * OR you could always wait a little while for someone else to respond to the discussion you already started there today, not everyone who edits here has the free time to be here constantly, give them some time to respond.  He  iro 22:43, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I was merely adding to a discussion already started three months ago and not acted upon. I notice that this is not the only article similarly branded, see also Domestic policy of the Harper government --Emperor Zhark (talk) 22:53, 24 May 2013 (UTC)