Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 May 25

= May 25 =

I will like to request full protection on a not-created-as-of-yet page
I am requesting full protection on a entry for a business (auction website). A great part of the net earnings are redirected to charities around the world, and anti-human trafficking organization. But as a business, we can not let our competitor ruin our image our damage our reputation by writing negative information. By no means are we requesting to be exalted our promoted, we would only like to have a entry or definition of our website and why was it founded and the places we help.

We are not a charity, we are business that focused on helping kids. If by any chance can we get full protection for the article, please let me know. Thank you very much.
 * Ada Z.
 * Bids that Give — Preceding unsigned comment added by Btgada16 (talk • contribs) 00:04, 25 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but you don't stand an ice-cream's chance in hell of getting 'full protection on a not-created-as-of-yet page'. Wikipedia doesn't work like that. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:15, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * We do not proactively protect pages. GB fan 00:15, 25 May 2013 (UTC)


 * And we would only like to have a entry or definition of our website and why was it founded and the places we help. sounds like promotion to me.--ukexpat (talk) 01:28, 25 May 2013 (UTC)


 * There's several entirely different issues that need to be dealt with here:
 * There's no evidence that your company has been the subject of extensive writing by disinterested third parties. Since it hasn't, it would never be the subject of a Wikipedia article anyways.
 * If it does qualify, you should not be the one writing about it, instead it would be best if disinterested people, unconnected to your company, wrote about it under no control on your, or your company's control. That is, Wikipedia editors are encouraged to avoid editing where a conflict of interest exists, because you have an interest in seeing your company's internet presence expanded by being noted on a very popular website, and Wikipedia has an interest in seeing that its articles written in a neutral, disinterested tone, it is not a good idea to allow you to write it.
 * No one, not the subject of the article, nor the people who write the articles, whoever they are own the text of the articles. All text at Wikipedia should, as much as practical, be open to improvement by anybody.
 * Articles are not protected preemptively. This is because Wikipedia is designed to be as open as possible, and only when there is clear evidence that someone is actively trying to damage Wikipedia, or is otherwise causing problems that need to be stopped immediately, do we violate that basic principle.
 * Ada, you've been given some rather curt responses before this, but as it appears you are new to Wikipedia, I hope this longer explanation helps you understand a little bit more about how things work here. -- Jayron  32  01:40, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that Btgada16's request was the result, not of ignorance, but of his reasonable expectation that an article on his company will acquire an extensive "criticisms" section. The company runs penny auctions. Maproom (talk) 05:48, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Question about block messages
During a recent RfC, we were discussing whether an IP editor should be allowed to remove a message placed on his talk page with Template:School block. Another user said "block messages [that the users sees when he tries to edit a page] are entirely visible, probably more visible, to the end users in the actual block message [Template:School block] ." Having never been blocked, I have never seen the message that a blocked user sees when he tries to edit. How can I view that message? I suppose that I could achieve that goal by vandalizing WP:AIAV (ducks while everyone throws things)... --Guy Macon (talk) 01:34, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * A search for "blocked" in the MediaWiki namespace finds MediaWiki:Blockedtext. -- John of Reading (talk) 05:25, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Do you know whether that message is triggered by attempting to edit Wikipedia, or by the far-more-common reading Wikipedia? --Guy Macon (talk) 07:52, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Attempting to edit. See Blocking policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:07, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Help!! I have made Edits and they got reversed.
Help!! I have made Edits and they got reversed.

I edited this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_Indy_Lights

To reflect a new driver champion, Peter Dempsey who won today in Indianapolis at the Indy Lights race.

An editor reversed my changes and now only the page is only current/up-to-date for last year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.191.41.124 (talk) 01:34, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The reason that the edit was reverted was because it was incorrect. The person you note won a single race in the above racing series, not the entire championship for the whole year.  The current season has not yet concluded, so we don't know who the champion is.  You've confused the article about an entire series of races with a single race.  -- Jayron  32  01:43, 25 May 2013 (UTC)


 * [After Edit conflict]...I know nothing about these races, but it might help you see what's happening if you first click on the "View history" tab at the top of the article, noting in particular the reverting editor's Edit summary, which says "...dempsey won a race, not the championship". Now, I don't know if that's a valid comment. You probably do. Your next stop might be the article's Talk page, where you could open a discussion on the matter if you think it's appropriate. HiLo48 (talk) 01:47, 25 May 2013 (UTC)


 * As others say, you edited the wrong article. Specifically, Peter Dempsey won the Firestone Freedom 100 which is only the fourth of twelve races in the racing series Firestone Indy Lights. Dempsey's win yesterday had already been added to Firestone Freedom 100 and 2013 Indy Lights season. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:01, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

References not showing up on Books or articles rendered as PDF
When I render a book as PDF or choose “Download as PDF” from the “Print/export” drop menu on the left of an article, the PDF version does not include most references. The first example is Book:Critical Care: An Introduction this is a fairly large book so I tried the article Intensive-care unit. I next tried a draft article I am working on User:MrBill3/draft article MSS. I placed a helpme tag on my talk page. The response I recieved suggested editing the articles using the Template:Cite web and Template:Cite news. Both articles use those templates, my draft article uses both extensively. The PDF produced has [number] inline for citations but only the references which are bare urls. The intensive care unit article uses the to make the text appear at the bottom of the cell.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 07:10, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Great, can you center the table (on the page), please?TCO (talk) 14:18, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have just centered the table for you. Simply use the  and   commands as in HTML. The   goes before the entire table and   goes after (ends the center command). Do you need help with anything else? --JustBerry (talk) 14:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I fixed the markup so you can see the centering in the code.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:44, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * TCO, do you have any more questions or have your questions been resolved? --JustBerry (talk) 14:54, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Resolved, and thank you again. This is a great resource.TCO (talk) 14:58, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. I have marked this topic as resolved. If you have any further questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. --JustBerry (talk) 15:06, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It is better to do these sort of constructs using a template, so that at a later time, we can easily improve layout or syntax of the construct for all uses of such a thing. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 19:37, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

is obsolete. See Help:TABLECENTER. Use center for text. --  Gadget850talk 23:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Adding photographs.
I would like to add a photograph to the entry for the British Jazz Singer Beryl Bryden. It is much better than the one on the page. It is a publicity handout given to me by Beryl in 1957. I cannot think that there is any copyright since she gave them away freely to all of her fans. I have edited the page with some additional information but I am darned if I can understand how to download and add a photo. Can you help please Diddyday (talk) 21:23, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If we know the photographer they are usually copyright until 70 years after the photographer dies. If we don't know who took the picture then it can be 120 years after date of creation. We also need to know date and countries of first publications. Being handouts then that may be considered publication in the countries they were handed out in.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:30, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I haven't a clue who took the photo. It would have been commissioned by Beryl herself but there is no photographer's name on the photo. Where does that leave me? Beryl has been dead for years so we can't ask her! Beryl always had a handful of the photos with her and probably gave them out all over the place, not just in the UKDiddyday (talk) 21:41, 25 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diddyday (talk • contribs) 21:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The existing Beryl Bryden image may be a copyright violation as well. I put it in deletion review over at commons. If it is deleted in about 7 days then we may be able to use yours under Non-free content if we can't find a free license image. I think 300px wide is max for non-free images though.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:43, 25 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The somewhat comparable case of File:The Monroes Cast 1966.jpg may be of interest. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:28, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Her career was mostly in Europe so PD-US-no notice photos may be difficult to source and verify as PD. Fair use may be the best bet unless you can find a copyright holder to release one under a free licence.--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:18, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

article I created has been deleted
I have created an article on living person, actor producer. And after creating the article I wanted to upload the image and everything got deleted. Also it was impossible to find how to provide the citations, or links to verify validity of the information provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Star writer (talk • contribs) 22:58, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you referring to Carlotta_Montanari? The notice that was placed on the page, which you removed, says that there is a 10-day grace period before it will be deleted.   See WP:REFB if you need help getting references working.  RudolfRed (talk) 23:54, 25 May 2013 (UTC)