Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 May 27

= May 27 =

IIVeaa aka 1Veertje removed a whole table of data
What to do?

Suspect conflict of interest. Suspect hostile removal of data.

Objection to IIVeaa aka 1Veertje removed a whole table of data in the page of March Against Monsanto.

I spent 7 hours till 04:00 to do it and I　had to sleep. And other poeople sure have also spend many good hours on top.

Does IIVeaa/1Veertje really want wikipedia work for the best of all people?

Or did IIVeaa/1Veertje just doing it for his own rules?

Does IIVeaa/1Veertje have stock or funds or interested or know anyone related to Monsanto & alike??

That article marked the event of fight against injustice establishment. Probably controversial where Monsanto-related parties GMO-related conglomerates will remove data they deem give them disadvantage.

218.102.187.145 (talk) 00:23, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * This isn't really the place to complain about the behaviour of others. Not that it will do you any good complaining anyway. An unsourced list of participating groups  1775 words long isn't even remotely acceptable as article content. This is an encyclopaedia, not a database. Find sources, and briefly summarise the material. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:33, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Two of the policies of Wikipedia are Assume Good Faith and No Personal Attacks. By accusing another editor of working for Monsanto, you violated both.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:47, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * What he removed was not a "table of data". It was a very long and very repetitive list of countries and places, with no evident relevance to the article. Maproom (talk) 07:10, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Confusion in editing
I have never edited before and so I clicked REF in error when trying to correct some language and usage I found in the article about deceased Gen Dion Williams,USMC. I am tired of reading poorly written articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.211.23.217 (talk) 01:20, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I reverted your good-faith edits that accidentally introduced a cite error in Dion Williams. You can go back and make the rest of your edits again, or can discuss the article content on the talk page.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:33, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * As for poorly written articles, we're all volunteers here. We welcome all the help we can get from anyone who wants to contribute. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 04:05, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

The Pianist (memoir)
Hi, I have some problems with polish contributors to Wikipedia, about the book "The Pianist" published in 1998. They try to create wrong impression,that the book was written by someone else then Wladyslaw Szpilman - the author of the book, and telling us that it was only a memoir and not a book.

The best non-fiction book of the year 2000 named by many US newspapers should not be degradated to "memoir". Please refer to Wikipedia informations about this book in other languages.

Here only the link to amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/The-Pianist-Extraordinary-Survival-1939-1945/dp/0312263767/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1366005008&sr=8-1&keywords=szpilman

First print of the book was elaborated by Jerzy Waldorff, as stated in every book printed also in the US by Picador/St. Martin Press.

There is also many errors in the description of the book and the plot is to long and contains many wrong informations.

But there is a group from Poland (Poland is very well known for it antisemitism) who try to destroy the image of the Jew -Wladyslaw Szpilman. It is by the way strange, when the name of the author in the text is different in the box, on the cover, in the bestselling book sold more then 5 000 000 copies worldwide,  then in the text created by polish vandals. Please take a look on it. I can not fight polish antisemitism whole my life and engage in the discussions here on wikipedia.

So please correct the errors in your topic and please block it against of vandalism, as it happened to the thopic "Wladyslaw Szpilman" in Polish wikipedia. Thank you very much for your support in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.223.35.119 (talk) 01:30, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You can discuss on the article's talk page, or can correct the errors if you can provide reliable sources.   Robert McClenon (talk) 01:52, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Correct - you should post at Talk:The Pianist (memoir). Please be very specific about what text in the article you object to; what you would like done (delete or change - and if change, then change to what). Even more importantly - you need to provide a reliable source to support your proposed change. It's not enough for you to just say you don't like something - you have to point to a source that supports your requested change. If you don't list a source, then the other editors have no idea if what you are saying is correct or incorrect. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 04:00, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Searching through code not displayed as text
In this edit, I fixed a link for which someone had made a typo when changing the link — it went to craftsman (diswambiguation), but the code was craftsman. Is there a way to search for any/all pages that have links to Foo (diswambiguation) but display it as Foo? WhatLinksHere won't help, since I'm trying to find all targets that have been misspelled in this way, not simply the diswambiguation page for "craftsman". Nyttend (talk) 02:09, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * WhatLinksHere does work on redlinked pages (Special:WhatLinksHere/Craftsman_(diswambiguation)). Does that help? — The Potato Hose 02:19, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Not really — I'm trying to find any link to ____ (diswambiguation), regardless of what comes before the parentheses. I can check for individual pages of course, but since I'm interested in what's literally an infinite number of possible links, it would be a waste of time to check this one, that one, the other one, etc.  Nyttend (talk) 02:24, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oooookay. So what you want is to build a list of all pages containing (diswambiguation), and then find everything that links to those pages, so as to fix them? Is that correct? And I'm assuming diswambiguation is just an example? — The Potato Hose 02:29, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Kind-of. I want to build a list of all pages containing (diswambiguation) so as to fix them; I only mentioned WhatLinksHere because it's a good way to find an individual page that contains it.  Diswambiguation was just an example; I'm assuming a method to find diswambiguation links will equally be able to find other misspellings.  Nyttend (talk) 02:55, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * In this particular case there are none but the best way to find misspellings in my experience is to use Google. You drop a term, say from Lists of common misspellings, into Google and then use restricters in the search to limit to the mainspace   Note also the existence of Google custom.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:22, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like a task for a bot. You may visit Bot requests and ask for preparing such list for you, possibly in your user space (say, User:Nyttend/bad_dab_link_list). --CiaPan (talk) 06:12, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I found no occurrences of "diswambiguation" in the 3 April 2013 database dump. Feel free to ask for searches on my talk page. I'll be downloading a new dump early next month. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:57, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Banned forum member trolling the company/product Wiki pages.
A member who was banned from a company product forum page is repeated removing up to date submissions, manipulating company criticism and amplifying negative articles them by copy/pasting identical bias information over company and product pages.

I have attempted to contact the user requesting they only add relevant, balanced information, however I am awaiting response.

You will notice 2 sections on the following links entitled 'criticism' (renamed from 'controversy' authored by the user). Both of these sections have been copy and pasted directly, with no edits to support relevance. I have edited this section on both page, removing non-product relevant information from the product page, and non-company relevant information from the company page.

Company page: YoYo Games

Product Page: Game maker

The person also keeps removing valid, technical information.

I would like to request that this person has limited access to both of the above Wiki pages, as this user has no intention other than promoting brand damaging, negative information along with bias, irrelevant disparage.

Here is the user's IP: 71.114.160.82

I would be very grateful if you could contact me regarding any action being taken to prevent this user from damaging the company image in retaliation to being banned from the community forum.

Many thanks,

Jay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaymd 123 (talk • contribs) 09:54, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, please keep in mind that a "neutral point of view" may sometimes include negative information, and negative information, if properly sourced and relevant, isn't necessarily disparaging. And the responsibility of "prevent[ing] this user from damaging the company image" is no more my responsibility than it is yours.  As for what you can do:


 * 1) Explain the rationale for your changes on the article's talk page.
 * 2) If the user continues to resubmit unsourced, biased information, ask him to stop.
 * 3) If the user persists, you might have a case at the Edit-warring noticeboard.  Alternatively, you could report him to WP:AIV, but be sure to have a cohesive argument for why the edits constitute vandalism.
 * 4) You can also request page protection on the article.
 * These suggestions are made with the assumption that you do not have a conflict of interest, either by being employed by that company or working with them, etc. Hope some of that helps.  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:41, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I think that Jaymd 123 might also do well to bear in mind that there is no such thing as a 'company page' or 'product page' on Wikipedia. All pages are articles in our encyclopaedia, and nobody 'owns' them. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:57, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * It would also help if Jaymd 123 could now step back from the article, as their edits are becoming a problem as well. "I have permission to copy and paste this" doesn't really cut it in the verifiability stakes. I will alert the WikiPedia Video games project to the problem and hopefully get some help to get the article battered into shape. - X201 (talk) 08:50, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Update: I have requested page protect for both Game Maker and YoYo Games. Both parties are edit warring over them and need to cool down. - X201 (talk) 14:38, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Need help with request for AFD on page
Needing help in figuring out how to request an AFD for a page (Edith Flagg) that is 1)ready for deletion because of non-notability, 2)Is locked on purpose to prevent anyone from changing it, and 3)isn't even written in a method that can be described as a paragraph, much less an article. Seems like the page is being allowed to stay up just for the sake of the person being able to say they have a page on wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caffeyw (talk • contribs) 10:47, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Edith Flagg has several paragraphs, more than a lot of our articles. It is only semi-protected so it can be edited by any autoconfirmed user, meaning a user account which is at least 4 days old and has made 10 edits. Special:Contributions/Caffeyw shows 6 edits so you only need 4 more. The article was kept at Articles for deletion/Edith Flagg where several editors said keep. I see no support for your claim about why the page is allowed. It has been edited by many editors and I would be surprised if the subject is among them. She is 93. See Articles for deletion if you want to nominate it again, but you would have to make a lot more sense than your post here. Have you made any attempt to examine her notability, for example by spending a few seconds entering her name in Google? If you make a nomination page and really want to nominate it before making a few more edits then you can click "View source" on the article and request an AfD tag is added to the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

If you look at the article, there's maybe three or four pieces of information. The footnotes section is clearly marked with articles that may at most mention her name. Some are display ads, some are articles where the only mention of her name is in a list of people at a hospital. The page is even marked as imparting no information of value. I have a hard time saying notable, when you have to go back to 1970s just to get an article that even mentions her name in it. Also note on the first AfD that it appears the same user kept voting for keep, and at one point it was even pointed out. Also I have googled her name, everything comes back with her being famous because of her grandson on Million Dollar Listing or because of an article he's penned on her without any third-party verification. If you watch the TV show, he even says on air that nobody knows about his grandmother, and that he would like that changed. I have a hard time thinking notable, when even your own grandson says no one knows about you. There's tons of articles out there that have my name mentioned in them, but that doesn't mean I'm notable, just that I was able to get my name on a list of people. Also note that on the talk page the information clearly shows a personal connection, and the username attached has the initials jdf which are those of her grandson. --Caffeyw (talk) 07:09, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * There was more content earlier but the "Footnotes" section was without links and din't specify which part the notes supported. With sources like  and  in the top-3 Google hits (the first is our article) I doubt it would be deleted if you renominated it. You are only two edits away from being able to edit the article. It could certainly be improved but that's the case for a lot of our more than 4 million articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:34, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I've done some editing of the article myself. I still have to clean up (shorten) the "Further reading" section, but there is no doubt in my mind that the article meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and thus there is about --zero-- chance of successfully deleting it. I recommend focusing attention elsewhere.


 * That the article was (probably) written, initially, by her grandson is a WP:COI issue, but that doesn't mean that the article should be deleted - it just means that other editors should give it a lot more scrutiny than normal. And the article looks, now, fairly well-scrubbed. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 22:43, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Edits accepted then deleted
Hi,

I am an academic and have added a few edits on film theory. Two of my previous changes on A Serbian Film were accepted months ago. I added two more on last night. They differ in no way to the existing material on the site, including the changes I added months ago, yet all changes I have made barring one (including my previously accepted changes) has now been deleted.

I have made no claims for the films other than stating what other perspectives exist and have given cultural context, such as information on a university that ran a conference.

Please explain how I can add this information as the pages do not currently give a representative view of the subjects.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarenOughton1 (talk • contribs) 12:11, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The simplest way to deal with this is to discuss it on the article's Talk page with other contributors intetrested in the same subjects, such a discussion is the third step of the "Bold, Revert, Discuss" rule. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:59, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Your edits were almost certainly removed because you are linking to your own writings on the subject. Please look at our policy on conflict of interest, as well as the tangentially related policy on neutral point of view. — The Potato Hose 17:35, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ...and you already knew all that, because you were warned on your talkpage. — The Potato Hose 17:38, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Unhappy at speedy deletion proposal
I am new to Wikipedia (I joined today, infact!) and I have written Pandang Dog Tamlei, regarding a social movement in Cambodia, a small country in East Asia. This is a very credible movement in Cambodia, and is credible enough to make articles to some of the mot popular newspapers in Cambodia. I would like to improve the article, and i am happy to take advise. I have provided references, but these references are in Cambodian (Khmer), and not English. I understand that Wikipedia is an online encyclopaedia about articles all over the world, so not all reference links can be in English? However just slapping a speedy deletion notice on this article, instead of providing information on how to improve the way the article is written seems more feasible. --Growen Rowen (talk) 15:22, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I have tried to fix the references you provided but two of them are faulty. You might have better luck fixing them as you clearly understand the language. The Speedy deletion has been requested because the article does not assert why the subject (the organization) is significant. From what I've read it is a single-issue, single city, pressure group - so it's significance is rather limited. They don't appear to play a significant role in city politics at all, nevermind nationally. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:38, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi ,User:Dodger67, thanks for your feedback. I am currently working on the articles notability, and updating references so I am hoping the article will not be deleted any time soon. --Growen Rowen (talk) 17:04, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

editing
How do I edit a page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Dark Lord Sauron (talk • contribs) 17:12, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Tutorial/Editing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:18, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I have added some useful links on your talk page. Cheers,  Mlpearc  ( powwow ) 17:26, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I might need those since i are of Bosnian-Bulgarian descent and only speak the Bosnian with a bit of english

Whats the "legend" for orange?
I was trying to update the information on the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights by uploading a new map showing that North Korea had withdrawn from the Covenant (its unclear wither that status was accepted by the other members, but thats beside the point). I changed the map fine, but I am having trouble with the legend on the page itself. Each color has a box and an explanation for what each color means, but I can't seem to be able to find the "legend" for the new orange color.

{{legend|#008000|signed and ratified}} {{legend|#00ff00|signed but not ratified}} {{legend|#??????|signed, ratified, but has stated it wishes to withdrawal from the ICCPR. (See Withdrawal, below)}} {{legend|#b9b9b9|neither signed nor ratified}}

Does anyone know were I can find the legends for other colors?--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 17:16, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * According to File:ICCPR-members2.PNG, "Orange - signed, ratified but has stated stated it wishes to leave the covenant.".  RudolfRed (talk) 17:36, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I know, I wrote that. I was asking how do I make the box on the article page orange to go with the map?--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 17:47, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh. Here's a page that has the color codes: .  Find one that looks close to the map color.  ff4500 maybe.  RudolfRed (talk) 17:55, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * My MS Paint says it is R:255 G:127 B:39, in hex FF7F27. --CiaPan (talk) 15:13, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think that looks closer to what I have on the map.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 19:28, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Devin Shovel, Skateboarder
I typed in my name in Devin Shovel, skateboarder it apears when I type my name in the search box as DEvin shovel. I dont know how to delete it can you please help me delete all of my work I would like to begin new thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Devinshovel (talk • contribs) 17:34, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Which article are you referring to? I don't see at article at Devin Shovel or DEvin shovel.  You shouldn't create an article on yourself.  See WP:AUTO.  RudolfRed (talk) 17:40, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I see this is about Devin_shovel, which has been deleted per the note on your talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 17:47, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * In any case, pretty much all the edits that Devinshovel has done have been removed or reverted, so there isn't anything further required here. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:56, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Editor not impartial
There is a moderator/editor called Rojelio for your "Cold Fusion" article unwilling to impartially edit/moderate the site. Please investigate if the Cold Fusion article is being fairly edited. Thanks. Bernie Koppenhofer Muskegon7 (talk) 18:40, 27 May 2013
 * Moved to bottom of page— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:50, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I looked at Cold fusion and no one named Rojelio is listed in the history in the past several months.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:13, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * There's a User:Rojelio, but he's made fewer than fifty edits in the last five years, and none of them are even related. Nyttend (talk) 19:16, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * For whatever article the problem is on, look at Dispute resolution and WP:OWN.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:31, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The user erroneously reported here complaints/concerns about my activity on it.wiki (where I'm admin). Sorry for the confusion. -- Rojelio (talk) 10:34, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey hows it going ?
Do you have a newbie helpdesk ? I Need serious help, Im having ed-hitting problems.. Hitting ed over the head! ha ha just kidding. Ed is fine, and I am fine. I just need a bit of help getting starting as I have just written a really bad article. A bit of guidance. Thank you very much and have a 'wiki' good day!! --Listen000t-gam (talk) 18:46, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You can ask any questions about using Wikipedia here, that's what the help desk is for. There's also the Teahouse, which aims to be more "newbie" friendly.  RudolfRed (talk) 18:52, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Bogus entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skillet_Street_Food looks like an advertisement.76.31.89.90 (talk) 18:47, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * While the text can be improved, I do not think it qualifies as an advertisement. Ruslik_ Zero 18:56, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

You are wrong. It should be tagged for Speedy Deletion. It is not a notable organization and has not been discussed by multiple sources. It is unworthy or inclusion in Wikipedia.76.31.89.90 (talk) 19:04, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That's funny, I thought 5 different references cited counted as "multiple". And why are you so worried about it?  He  iro 19:11, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

It wasn't meant to be funny. You are being rude. I am seeking assistance remedying Wikipedia abuse and you are belittling me. Not helpful! Further, I am not "worried" about it. This is genuine concern for the credibility of Wikipedia!

Do I need to get Roger Dodger involved? He's a steward and you don't want that!76.31.89.90 (talk) 19:19, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Message Rodger then, I have done nothing wrong. But, from you answer, you don't seem all that serious and WP:AGF isn't a suicide pact. Whose trolling sock are you?  He  iro 19:37, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * (ec)@76.31.89.90 - I'm not a "steward" (whatever that is), I'm not even an admin... Why are you using my name in this argument anyway? IMHO Skillet Street Food is a quite nice little article, the sourcing is up to standard. Now please stop picking on me. Thank you Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:39, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost ??
Is there really a Wikipedia 'newspaper' called The Signpost? Seriously? --Crouon Crouton Croutson (talk) 19:44, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes - WP:Wikipedia Signpost -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:48, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Your joking right? You have got to be joking. What are the readership ratings like? Do you read it yourself Rodger? Do you enjoy reading it? --Crouon Crouton Croutson (talk) 19:53, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Just click on the link and all will be revealed. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:01, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Non-notable biography
Ganesh Nana is a poorly written copy and paste job from a publicity profile from this person's employer. I have worked for several years in the New Zealand Central Bank and am professionally employed as an economist, and I have never heard of this "leading economist" who is renowned for "his work with numbers". I put it a deletion tag on this article but it was promptly removed without explanation. Can anyone help with this? I use wikipedia all the time, and I do not want to see it turn into an advertising agency. 140.247.0.111 (talk) 21:36, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The editor who removed the tag indicated that he had a source citing the subject's notability. You can nominate the article for deletion via WP:Articles for Deletion, the 7-day consensus-based deletion process.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:44, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You need to create a registered account to nominate an article for deletion, because that is a page create. Registering an account has several advantages.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:46, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Raith Rovers F.C.
Anyone want to give me an idiot's guide to editing the home shirt at Raith Rovers F.C. to reflect the new one shown at http://www.raithrovers.net/9017/201314-kit-revealed.htm or want to edit it? (Lbarnett-bl (talk) 22:34, 27 May 2013 (UTC))


 * I gave it a go. There is some documentation at Template:Football kit. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:46, 27 May 2013 (UTC)