Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 May 7

= May 7 =

page needs to be verified
Hi

i have created a page for Lou Sticca

I have included several reputable references but the page still has a box on it saying it is flagged for deletion.

could you please advise why the references have not been verified yet or what i can do

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonsticca (talk • contribs) 01:01, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I've removed the "flagged for deletion" box as you have indeed added reliable sources that mention Lou Sticca. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:44, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

The high five salute
I just heard that Dusty Baker was the original person to institute the high five. I always thought it was Glenn Burke who played for the Alburque Dukes in 1975-77 and was called up to the Dodgers where played in 1978 and then was traded to the A's and then became ill and never played again — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.198.2.161 (talk) 01:17, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi. There's an ESPN article here about the high five you might find interesting and our encyclopedia article on the gesture has quite a bit of material about the origins. Anyway, what isn't clear from your post is your reason for telling us this. Is there something we can help you with related to using Wikipedia?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:39, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi there, some problem !!

 * Articles for deletion/Nurtuan

hi there some problem, with our page!!

we find one specialist who create a wikipedia article for young singer! Everything was good, but now, Wikipedia wanna delete our page?!!!

dont know why!!

could u help to use, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JanneDal (talk • contribs) 01:41, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Per the AfD page you linked: the article creator is a banned spammer, the page is overly promotional, and the notability of the subject is not established. RudolfRed (talk) 03:10, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * To explain a bit more what the deletion discussion and RudolfRed are saying: Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a directory or website host. It has articles about subjects not people's pages (or listings or profiles), and promotion and advertising of any kind is strictly forbidden. This means that articles are acceptable only if they cover subjects which are notable, which means that other reliable sources have already written about them; and the article must refer to those sources to show that the subject has been noted. It also means that the content must be written in a neutral way; and because of that, it is difficult for somebody closely connected with the subject to write a satisfactory article, and they are discouraged from trying.
 * There are only two references in the current article, and neither of them looks to be a reliable source (the information probably comes from the singer himself). In order to prevent deletion, you will need to find the reliable sources I have mentioned to, and reference them in the article. Actually, I don't agree with the point in the nomination that the language is promotional: I don't think it is, but the article does contain a lot of unreferenced detail which should not appear unreferenced in an article about a living person.
 * If you can find the required references, the best solution might be to ask an administrator to userfy the article, so you can work on it in your sandbox and improve it. But if there are no such reliable references yet, then there cannot be an article on Nurtuan at present. --ColinFine (talk) 09:22, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Article Creation Help
Hello there,

I work as an intern for the band Bestfriends. This specific article page has been in creation for a while:Articles for creation/Bestfriends

Is there any possible way to speed up the process? What else would I need to help create the article? Any help would be much appreciated.

--Mitchel-Noble (talk) 03:19, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * See Notability (music) and expect a bunch of COI comments as well. I find that User:CorporateM/How WP:COI would read if I wrote it puts in a friendly nutshell.--Canoe1967 (talk) 03:29, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * There are 735 pending submissions for articles to be created. All you can do is be patient.   RudolfRed (talk) 03:30, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * That's true, but neither Articles for creation/Bestfriends nor Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bestfriends are currently submitted for review, so being patient is not going to help.


 * I would suggest reading WP:42 and WP:REFB carefully, improving one or other of those pages using that information, and then putting at the top of it to submit it for review. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:38, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * And also read WP:There is no deadline. If you are in a hurry, this suggests that you might be interested in the page for promotional reasons rather than to improve Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 09:23, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

We want to Give our organization's details in wiki.
Dear sir/Madam, I am JOYJIT NAHA(president) of Banglabhashi Yuva Chatra Parishad, Asom(B.Y.C.P.). We form a organization on 23.03.2013.Please contact us for details. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.212.97.37 (talk) 08:08, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If your organisation has only formed recently, it is unlikely that it meets our inclusion requirements for companies and organisations. Once a degree of coverage has arisen in reliable sources, we will be able to have an article about BYCP. Wikipedia is not a news service; we aggregate pre-existing information from other published sources, rather than publishing original information. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  08:28, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * All Google hits for the phrase "Banglabhashi Yuva Chatra Parishad" are to Facebook, with the exception of this topic. So it has clearly not yet achieved notability. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:44, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Pingala

 * Heading added by --ColinFine (talk) 12:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

This is with reference to the information about Pingala

In the section: Combinatorics There is a sentence : Pingala's work also contains'the Fibonacci number, called mātrāmeru, and now known as the Gopala–Hemachandra number.[5]

Its the other way round. Pingala existed before Fabonacci. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.84.184.140 (talk) 12:06, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * It is not saying anything about primacy. It is saying that the thing known in English as the Fibonacci number was described previously in Pingala's work. --ColinFine (talk) 12:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed. One of Fibonacci's greatest influences in European mathematics was the popularization of another Indian invention, what are commonly known as Arabic numerals but are really Indian numerals.   Robert McClenon (talk) 15:59, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Citation Templates Protected
I'm sure I've toggled something because the citation templates are protected on my account at the moment. I am just working an article up in the sandbox. Any suggestion to get them working again?

Sidpickle (talk) 12:32, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The templates found at Citation_templates are generally always protected, due to their frequent use. However, that just means that there will be no changes to the templates themselves; you can use them regardless of whether or not they are protected. Taking a look at User:Sidpickle/sandbox, they seem to be working fine when you use them.    Sophus Bie  (talk) 13:17, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

They still do not respond when I click to open a fresh one. They did work when I started the article. Could just be a corruption. I'll work round it. Thanks for looking at it for me. Sidpickle (talk) 17:05, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You need to be very careful with the syntax, one little error and they won't work.--ukexpat (talk) 17:12, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * It isn't clear to me what it means to "open a fresh one". What does that mean?


 * I don't see anything terribly wrong with your citations except how you've used page. Oddly enough, that parameter is for page numbers.  Anything other than page numbers corrupts the citation's WP:COinS metadata.  There is a parameter for chapters, chapter, which should have the chapter's title.


 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 17:33, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

When I try to open the citation template for say web it does nothing. I think it may be a local setting my end now that I have thought about it. I just fiddled with the browser settings to see if this has sorted it.

Thanks again for looking into the issue.

Sidpickle (talk) 18:42, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about one of the buttons on the editing window tool bar? If you are, then it isn't a citation problem but a toolbar problem.


 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 19:42, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I cannot use the template on any article in Wikipedia (I discovered), not just the sandbox. Either from the toolbar at the top or the drop down list at the bottom. Sidpickle (talk) 08:58, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Clinton Park.
There are two disambiguation pages for Clinton Park:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Park_%28disambiguation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Park_%28disambiguation%29

There is also something wrong with the entries for the section on the neighborhood park in Clinton Park, Houston.

I would appreciate it if some clever editor would straighten out this situation. There should be only one disambguation page, and there should be a link to the neighborhood park in Houston.--DThomsen8 (talk) 14:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Clinton Park (disambiguation and Clinton Park (disambiguation) are both redirects to Clinton Park. The first could reasonably be deleted as nothing links to it, but the mantra is that "redirects are cheap". What are you saying is wrong with Clinton Park, Houston? - David Biddulph (talk) 15:10, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I now see that someone has changed the link for the park in Houston since your question. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:13, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Everything seems to be correct, now.--DThomsen8 (talk) 20:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Infobox disaster
Please fix Baghmara, India. 184.149.138.18 (talk) 14:32, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed. But it is also back to being about a town in Meghalaya state. If there is another town of this name in Assam state, we need a separate article. Rmhermen (talk) 14:48, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Dealing with Hostile Posts
The company CipherCloud seems to be the victim of a negative social media campaign. The company's Wikipedia page is now evidently part of this campaign. Because it's so easy to create a Wikipedia account, anyone can quickly remove any information they like - industry recognition, a list of company leadership, and any other information that's factual and unbiased but positive, and make broad-sweeping claims to hurt the company's credibility.

Certainly, the company can monitor this, and make changes while citing the reasons for them, but are there any other tactics available? What we're seeing here is not in the spirit of what Wikipedia was created to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IDigAwards (talk • contribs) 14:52, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm one of the people who edited CipherCloud page and removed your edits. As noted in the history of the article, it was substantially written by Allen Pogorzelski, Sr. Director of Marketing at CipherCloud. It had an "Advert" template when I first saw it. I tried to improve it a bit by removing unsourced claims. I also removed the "Leadership" section. Your username is IDigAwards and your only contribution, before you started edit war, was adding another advertising-like section to this article with the comment "CipherCloud has won some important awards that seem to be missing", adding non-notable awards. I suspect a sockpuppet account. If you have any relationship to the article subject, please stop editing the article. Dchestnykh (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 15:11, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree with your assessment. There may be a conflict of interest here.  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:15, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * And IDigAwards is a dodgy user name too.--ukexpat (talk) 15:51, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:04, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * EDIT: After looking at the article, it appears that there are a number of issues with the quality of its content. Jargon, promotional language, etc. That there are other editors attempting to conform the article to WP:MOS and other Wikipedia guidelines doesn't mean there is a negative social media campaign active.  Wikipedia is foremost an encyclopedia, and not an indiscriminate collection of information.  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:10, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think IDigAwards should be telling us what Wikipedia was created to do. It wasn't created to be the Yellow Pages with color pictures. There is no campaign, there is no conspiracy, there is no cabal. I don't see the need for protection yet, personally, but I do think that IDigAwards should be careful in both their edits and their accusations. If three different people tell you you're wrong, you could be victim of a social media attack campaign, or it could be that you were wrong. Drmies (talk) 15:22, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * In response to this question, at least one more editor (probably several) has put CipherCloud on his watchlist and will help to protect it from being used for promotion. Maproom (talk) 19:11, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Blooming (Botany)
i want to write on this subject at the hebrew wikipedia, there is a similar page in english at this topic? how there isn't article about it? Cheshin61 (talk) 14:56, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * In the English-language Wikipedia, this topic is covered at Flower. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  15:00, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * thank you orange mike, this is helpfull. Cheshin61 (talk) 20:50, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Submission for Handyman Matters
Hello,

I submitted an entry regarding the franchise organization, Handyman Matters Franchise Company (HMFC), on April 9th, 2013. Is this entry still being reviewed in the Wikipedia queue? Thanks for any information you can provide.BenWaymire (talk) 16:01, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Which user name did you use when you submitted the draft - you only have one contribution using this user name, and that is your question here. Alternatively, do you recall where you created the draft - at WP:AFC, in a user sub-page? Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 16:26, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Editing a page that has speedy deletion removed
Hi all,

I want to contribute to an article Payne (company) but I'm concerned that it may get nominated for speedy deletion as it was already nominated several months ago. Even though speedy deletion was removed I'm concerned that any contribution I make even with valid citations may mean its deletion.

As speedy deletion has been removed, does this mean that it will not get nominated again, and can only instead be reverted back to the state after speedy deletion was removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tauqsouth (talk • contribs) 19:07, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If the page meets the criteria, it can be nominated again, but I wouldn't expect that to happen. It would probably get reverted back to a good version, or nominated through the normal (non-speedy) deletion process.  Unless you have a conflict of interest, you should be bold and make the changes you want to.  See WP:BRD for more details.  RudolfRed (talk) 19:44, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think this is not correct. If a speedy nomination has been declined (by someone other than the article creator), it may not be renominated. It must go through PROD or AFD. (I swear this was a policy somewhere, but I cannot find it now.) Gaijin42 (talk) 19:49, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Its party of the CSD template, but I cannot find it in a policy. One way or another that is a discrepancy that should be resolved. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:51, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If you want to contribute to the article and don't want your contribution to be lost by deletion, you can watch-list it, and if it is nominated for deletion by any of the deletion processes, you will be notified.
 * If you have an affiliation with the company, please see the conflict of interest policy.   Robert McClenon (talk) 19:55, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * (ec) WP:SPEEDY says "A page is only eligible for speedy deletion if all of its revisions are also eligible.", so you're right. If there is a good version of the page, it can't be speedy'd.  RudolfRed (talk) 19:58, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Add a company to Wikipedia
What steps to I need to take to add a local, but national, company to Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.128.0.178 (talk) 19:13, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Start by reading WP:42 and perhaps WP:Your first article, and then go to WP:AFC. Also, if you want to use existing articles about other companies as examples, make sure you are looking at ones that are at least listed as Good Articles. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, if you have an affiliation with the company, please read the conflict of interest policy. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:22, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Concerns regarding recent username announcement
My username on the English Wikipedia is "Neelix" and I am afraid that, because of the recent announcement about unifying accounts, I will lose my username. I am by far the most active user named "Neelix" across the various Wikimedia projects. As far as I know, there have only been a handful of edits made under that name on Wikimedia projects other than the English Wikipedia. On all projects other than the English Wikipedia, my username is "Ambassador Neelix". Is it possible for me to have a unified account across all Wikimedia projects under the name "Neelix"? If so, who would I approach about making this happen? Neelix (talk) 20:03, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The process is at WP:USURP. What announcement are you talking about?  Do you have a link?  RudolfRed (talk) 20:07, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * From Wikipedia Signpost/2013-04-29/Technology report:
 * SUL finalization announced: In an [//lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2013-April/000217.html email] to the wikitech-ambassadors list, staff member James Forrester announced the plans to convert all accounts into global ones, regardless of conflicts. Discussion is underway at the bureaucrats' noticeboard, and on Meta-Wiki.
 * --  Gadget850talk 20:10, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Resolving a conflict tag
The articles treaty and foreign policy of the United States have been tagged as being in conflict with each other for more than a year. I placed an article content Request for Comments tag on the talk page for treaty. The comment was made on the talk page that it was a good idea to get the conflict resolved, but the question was whether an RFC was the way to do that. Opinions? Robert McClenon (talk) 21:19, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Tamara Nora Holder
I recently created a page for Tamara Nora Holder, but it should be Tamara Holder. How can I change to the correct. more widely used name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladybug2 (talk • contribs) 21:56, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * A link would help, on this occasion I've added it for you. You need to have been here three days and made four edits (autoconfirmed, in other words) to be able to move pages. ✅ Well, that's weird. It's been salted so it can't be created. If you ask at WP:RFPP they will unprotect it for you and maybe even move it for you as well.-- Laun  chba  ller  22:03, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The article was deleted and salted because there was consensus that it was promotional and involved a conflict of interest. If you are requesting to have the article restored, you will probably need to explain that you are a neutral third party.  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:33, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Pages keeps getting deleted
I am trying to create a page and it keeps getting deleted saying it has been copied from LinkedIn. I have access to all this information, but if I cite anything it says it's a promotional page, so I have changed the content and now it is being deleted again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ally D3 (talk • contribs) 23:53, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This must be about Data3 limited, it's the only article you have ever contributed to. As it stands, the article is far too promotional, with sentences like "The Directors of PCA knew this heralded a new era for computing." It provides no evidence that the company is notable. And it says that the company "provides .. solutions" – this is evidence that it was written by a marketing person who doesn't know what the company actually does. Maproom (talk) 06:11, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Please read WP:CORP, WP:PROMOTION and WP:NPOV. If you then decide that the company meets the requirements of notability, I advise you to follow WP:YFA and start working on the article in a sandbox. --ColinFine (talk) 15:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)