Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 May 8

= May 8 =

Update to Page
Here is another link to Sprint Car Racer Andy Cobb's Page. Several people from the racing scene have been attempting to get him placed on here as he competes with the likes of other drivers who have a page here like Buzzie Reutimann, David Steele, David Reutimann, Tony Stewart and more. Here is an article written about his transition into Sprint Cars from Late Models and Boats. Please consider this and activate his page submission.

http://www.hoseheads.com/richard.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.156.9.3 (talk) 00:04, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * There is no article on the English Wikipedia titled Andy Cobb, please provide us with a link to the page you are referring to. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:05, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

This is being provided as more content in attempt to get the page request for Auto Racer Andy Cobb published, several people from the community have submitted requests to have a page posted for this race driver however keep getting messages that there is no verifiable links to prove the drivers existance. This link is being provided for that. The page is not yet active and we would like it to be. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.201.156.63 (talk) 18:54, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

editing questions
Don't know who created the page about me (Marjorie Heins), but there's an error (date of birth) in the first line and there's no way I can see to edit that. Advice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Margeheins (talk • contribs) 02:44, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Try clicking Edit at the top of the page, near "View History". --Demiurge1000 (talk) 06:07, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Help with headline of my new article
Hello. I made a bit of a goof with the heading of my latest article. This should be Royal Nova Scotia Regiment, but the last three words are not capitalized. If anyone could fix this, I'd appreciate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_nova_scotia_regiment — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wreck Smurfy (talk • contribs) 03:21, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Fixed by Gemaddog7. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 06:08, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Copying from ectomuscle's website
Hi, the articles we added were deleted. One stating that we copied info from ectomuscle's website. I actually own this site and have full copyright approval.

I did not understand why they were deleted as the reasons referred to for the other post were not applicable?

Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by EctoMedia (talk • contribs) 06:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Of course, with your 'full copyright approval' you can copy the contents, BUT... the contents is still copyrighted. And Wikipedia is not copyrighted—see the note below the edit box, where you entered the text:
 * By clicking the "Save page" button, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL.
 * So placing your material on Wikipedia is a copyright violation, because it releases copyrighted material into non–© domain. --CiaPan (talk) 06:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, your name 'EctoMedia' suggests that you are associated with the subject of the article. Please read about Wikipedia'a conflict of interest policy before you do anything else here. Maproom (talk) 10:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Just to add (I was the deleting admin), although a bot highlighted a copyright issue, the main reason I deleted Ectomuscle was that it was an obvious advertisement, so the page would not be restored even if the copyright issue was resolved. January  ( talk ) 10:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * If you wish to donate copyrighted material, see Donating copyrighted materials. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:12, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * But also be aware that material from an organisation's website is almost never appropriate for an encyclopaedia article, as it will usually be promotional in tone and not supported by references. For similar reasons, people closely connected with a subject are strongly discouraged from editing articles about the subject. Please read WP:NPOV and WP:COI. --ColinFine (talk) 15:09, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

uploading a pic.
How can I upload a picture into a page I created 5 days ago with 11 edits that should have been confirmed, but it says I have not yet? What is the way? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayatollah Mohammad Reza Nekunam (talk • contribs) 06:13, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You were unable to upload a picture because you have made only four edits with this account - you may have been logged out when you made the other edits. I see that your user page has since been deleted as unambiguous advertising. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:37, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Problems getting pages to load
Since about 20:00 on May 6 (UTC) I've had major problems getting any Wikimedia pages to load. Even when they do, most of them don't load properly. The issue seems to be that something or other from bits.wikimedia.org doesn't reach me (or does so extremely slowly) and as a result the whole page essentially fails to load. I've managed to make a few edits (like this one) through persistence, luck and reloading all pages in Private Browsing mode (which helps... a bit) but it isn't much fun.

Has anybody else had similar problems, and can they be solved by something at my end? (In case that matters, I'm using Mozilla Firefox 20.0.1.) Sideways713 (talk) 08:13, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Lookingat, it looks like that have been having problems over the past week - not sure it it is related though... 13:43, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Now very suddenly working again. I didn't change anything. Sideways713 (talk) 15:06, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Kakazai
It’s disappointing that an edit by the writer concerning `Kalal’ origins of Kakazais as described by Sir Denzil Ibbetson (PUNJAB CASTES, Page 325) is being repeatedly cut out by your concerned person. Something personal? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.29.211.10 (talk) 09:06, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You were nicely asked by the editor to discuss your edits on the article's talk page. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 09:11, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Suspect Medical article
hi, can someone review this medical treatment page please? User:Bella-doctor/Micro-Chinese Medicine Osmotherapy

I'm a member of a health board that persistently have spammers promoting this treatment. On the face of it there are four or five companies but when you look at the detail you realise it is only one. And it uses google and hotmail contact e-mail addresses.

The only other google hit for the various terms they give are the page above. It seems to have no references, just claims of how great it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.165.149.106 (talk) 09:13, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * That's actually a user page, not an article. The edtior created it in May 2011 hasn't been back since then. However, even though it's a user page, I don't know if that type of content is allowed. But there's no doubt that a more experienced editor will see this and tell you soon. 76.189.109.155 (talk) 09:18, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * It's definitely still a violation of multiple policies whether on talk page or an article. See What Wikipedia is not. Hopefully someone can sort/delete it soon ツ Je no va  20  (email) 09:30, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I have deleted the page as it was an abandoned copy of the content of the page deleted at Articles for deletion/Micro-Chinese Medicine Osmotherapy.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 10:16, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * See, I knew a great editor would take care of this. Three cheers for Fuhghettaboutit! 76.189.109.155 (talk) 21:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * : -) Much appreciated--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:32, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

facebook page called about babies
Where the hell do you people get off giving information to this page, and where the hell do you think you get the right to steal photos from other peoples facebook pages and put on this about babies facebook page. There are a lot of peoples pictures that have been stolen and a lot of people who want to know why. As wikipedia is mentioned as a source on this page, you have a lot to answer for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.0.59 (talk) 09:46, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You appear to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the way that Facebook reuses content from Wikipedia. Facebook, like any other website, is free to use content from Wikipedia articles, provided (amongst other things) that they attribute Wikipedia as a source. That is likely what has happened here; they've used some of the writing from an article on one of their pages. If there are photos from Facebook that are being misused on Facebook then this has nothing to do with Wikipedia; the photos are not stored on Wikipedia's servers nor were they ever stored here. You should contact Facebook about that. Now if there are photos being misused on Wikipedia articles on this website then we can do something about that, but that does not appear to be the case here. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 09:50, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * If you are aware of a picture which is being used on Wikipedia without its owner's permission, tell us, and it will be removed. But if you just refer to "this page" without saying what page you mean, there's nothing we can do. And if it's a Facebook page you are complaining about, please complain to Facebook, not to Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 10:09, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol move vote.svg Facebook community pages may incorporate content from Wikipedia—such use complies with Wikipedia policies on reuse of content. We at Wikipedia have no control over how the content is included nor can we help to remove it. Facebook does have a topic on Community pages and profile connections on their Help Center. --  Gadget850talk 11:15, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It may be even more benign that this.


 * Many people are aware that when doing a Google search, a box shows up on the right, with some information, often from Wikipedia, and an image, often from Wikipedia. However, the image is often form some other place. The text is labelled as from Wikipedia, the image is not labeled, and people jump to the conclusion that the image came from Wikipedia. At OTRS, we deal with issues like this every day, where people complain that Wikipedia has the wrong image.


 * Facebook has launched something similar, call Graph search (See Facebook announcement, see Wikipedia coverage). While I haven't yet seen it in action, OTRS volunteers received an alert today thay people might be complaining about images from Wikipedia, even though those images might not be from Wikipedia.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  12:00, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Addendum. The images might also be from Wikipedia, but as responses above note, if it was properly added to Wikipedia with a free license (i.e. not a fair use) then Facebook is allowed to use it. It isn't the case that Wikipedia has given it to them, it is here to be used by anyone, including Facebook.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  12:08, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Perhaps it's time someone from WMF (perhaps His Jimboness himself) had a "serious chat" with the people who run Facebook because their sloppy attribution of material is causing real damage to our reputation. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:33, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

new article
I have just written an article about Bronisława Wieniawa-Długoszowska about 15 minutes ago and it disappeared! I had edited several times but not pressed the save button it was in a sandbox, a special one for writing biographies can anybody help?? Gervasevernon (talk) 14:23, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You didn't write a new article in a sandbox, but edited the existing article, at Bolesław Wieniawa-Długoszowski. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:30, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Business Listings
Why are some businesses allowed to post history and number employees and general information about the company but others are not.This includes our hobby shop that my wife and I own located Olathe, Kansas.Example Tower Hobbies,Boca Hobbies they are listed but when I post about our company I get Blackballed what is up with that? Thanks Jim — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pronitro1 (talk • contribs) 14:48, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, first off, it wasn't that the company was allowed to write it, it was that an editor wrote the material. It was allowed to be kept because of what Wikipedia calls notability which is described at Notability (organizations and companies) and has to do with whether we can verify the information in reliable sources.  I assure you it is nothing personal.  RJFJR (talk) 15:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * And also note that Wikipedia is not a directory. It does not have "business listings", it has articles about notable subjects.--ukexpat (talk) 15:08, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Also note that just because another page exists that appears very similar to one that is deleted in no way implies that the deletion was improper or unfairly handled. For any problem you encounter in an article and which which goes against our policies and guidelines, you will see many other articles with the same problem, not yet addressed. This occurs because of the decentralized way in which content is added and reviewed. Please see by way of analogy What about article x?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:06, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Mistake in information regarding Priyanka deSouza the most recently added Rhodes Scholar in the List of Rhodes Scholars article
It has recently been brought to my attention that my name appears in the 'List of Rhodes Scholars' wiki page. I would like to point out that I am not the first Rhodes Scholar from IIT Bombay. Ravish Tiwari from IITB won the scholarship earlier. I am the second from my institute to be awarded this scholarship. Please correct this in List of Rhodes Scholars — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.139.97.79 (talk) 16:29, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * in this edit.--ukexpat (talk) 18:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Google search question
Hi, why my articles(joscardozo wiki is not available)in not showing on the google search or why it is like USER/JOSCARDOZO. What I have to do to get my wiki on the wikipedia, please help.

User:Joscardozo/sandbox

REGARDS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joscardozo (talk • contribs) 16:34, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You had created, and have now blanked, a user subpage not an article. By default user subpages are not indexed by Google.--ukexpat (talk) 18:03, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, there are a few issues here: 1) Wikipedia is not a social networking site or a repository for vanity articles. People who are the subject of articles must meet our notability guidelines.  Are you someone who has achieved acclaim in his field of expertise?  Are newspapers writing about you?  Did you take an iconic photograph that made you the subject of international attention?  That sort of thing.  2) Individuals who meet the notability requirements are discouraged from writing about themselves, as this would present a conflict of interest.  3) In order for the article you wrote in your user space to become an actual article, you'd need to submit it to articles for creation.  However, based on what I'm seeing in your article (which you blanked from your sandbox today]), it suffers from a lack of any references.  If reliable sources aren't reporting on you, and if there are no references in your article, it is going to get deleted ASAP.   Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:07, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Help:CS1 errors
See Help desk/Archives/2013 April 29

There have now been three templates that I am aware have suffered from this problem (one that did not exist prior to the move to the Lua-based CS1 engine):
 * Cite ODNB fixed by user:Dragons flight
 * Cite DNBIE (problem lies in the page= and pages= parameters)
 * Cite Notitia Parliamentaria (problem also lines in the page= and pages= parameters)

While these can be fixed relatively easily as was done with ODNB, it does complicate the code in those templates -- and while I appreciate that the current checking in the new core is superior to the previous code -- I think it would be helpful if an extra parameter was created that did nothing but silently swallow any information passed by that parameter. It would allow the current code to work with just a parameter name change, and it would be a useful feature as it can be used to reduce the complexity of code in any "wrapper template" that calls cite encyclopedia or similar.

It is good practice when calling a template to only pass in the parameters that are required as passing in parameters with an empty value can cause problems in templates if the person who writes the code is unaware of the problems and does not code accordingly.

Up to now calling a template and passing in an unknown parameter was handled silently which was a useful way to write simple code to protect against the problems of valid parameters being passed in with a null value. (see Help talk:Template/Archive 3 mw:Help:Parser functions in templates and mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions )

Adding an extra parameter that did nothing but silently swallow any information passed by that parameter would allow this new interface to closer to backwardly compatible with the previous interface and help keep the interface to the templates cite xyz closer to other templates that preform the same sort of reference function (there are a lot of them and more created all the time). -- PBS (talk) 16:36, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Perhaps WP:VPT is the best place for this?--ukexpat (talk) 17:56, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I am happy to discuss it anywhere. Is that the best place to do so? -- PBS (talk) 12:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I fixed the other two examples you gave, though I used a different strategy than the first time. Personally, I'm not really sold on the utility of HIDE_PARAMETER, though I might be convinced.  Dragons flight (talk) 18:56, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks I could have fixed them, but wanted to use them as examples as to how best to fix them (where in the code is the best place to do it), and fixing the immediate problem was not what I wanted to raise. BTW the parameter does not have to be called "HIDE_PARAMETER". I simply used that name because it was used in an example I saw, and thought it a reasonable self documenting name. Your solution to the page parameter can be generalised for any single parameter (assuming that cite ...  does what the box says and empty parameters are ignored)
 * --PBS (talk) 12:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure we have been here before. HIDE_PARAMETER is an overcomplex solution. You could easily change
 * to
 * But, this is not needed with the new templates. Just use |last=}} . Try it. --  Gadget850talk 00:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I do not think " " will works as you suggest it does. Here is an example of a template " ":
 * But, this is not needed with the new templates. Just use |last=}} . Try it. --  Gadget850talk 00:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I do not think " " will works as you suggest it does. Here is an example of a template " ":
 * I do not think " " will works as you suggest it does. Here is an example of a template " ":


 * For your convenience I have set up this template in.
 * Calling   currently returns:This is wrapper template 1:
 * This is not the same result as
 * calling
 * As to your second solution let us suppose that we have two parameters that are potentially passed into the same parameter in cite encyclopedia. Lets call them "title=" (for a standard title) and "wstitle=" for one that will be used to pass in a title that uses a sister link to the sister project (there dozens of templates that do this, but for a typical (short) example see Cite Nuttall. Here is the demo code


 * The initial title setting will be masked by the second setting of title as wstitle and will not appear. On the other hand if the ordering is inverted then title will mask wstitle (I presume that the ordering is not specified and may change). BTW it is no good suggesting  as an alternative solution in the calling template, because if that "wrapper template 2" itself called by a second wrapper template (wrapper template 3) then we have the same problem of title being set to empty so wstitle= is never passed on by (wrapper template 2).  An elegant solution to this in standard templates (and in the standard cite templates  before the implementation of the new code) is to use a dummy parameter:


 * This will not work with cite encyclopedia and similar if the left-hand side of the equals sign is anything other than empty (because that give the dummy parameter a value and that dummy parameter is then rejected, but it works will all other standard templates. Is there an alternative elegant solution for the two into one as described above without the use of a dummy parameter which will work with all templates?
 * -- PBS (talk) 12:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

See User:Gadget850/1:

This is wrapper template 1:

As to multiple input parameters:

You can nest parameters as desired and they will be parsed in order. Si if 'title', then it is used, else if 'wstitle' then it is used, otherwise, no value. --  Gadget850talk 22:44, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Gadget850, your your multiple parameters test will only set wstitle if title is not set so for example:


 * will work.


 * will not. I have modified
 * returns: This is wrapper template 1:
 * returns This is wrapper template 1:
 * If wrapper 1 is called directly from an article the error will not usually show up because article writers do not usually pass in blank parameters and if they do then this type of multi parameter test is not often used in the internal code of a template. But it is a serious problem for someone writing a wrapper template if they do not take adequate precautions, because like you many coders do not realise that the inner parameters of an if test are not tested if an outer one is set to null/empty and code "if statements" the way you proposed above -- It took me some time to realise what the problem was when this problem first bit me (see my posting mentioned above). I first came across it as a serious problem in the old coding of cite encyclopaedia -- where the internal code had and lots and lots of other examples  -- when a user of the template cite DNB posted to the talk page that that author parameter was not being set. If one writes a wrapper template that call warapper 1 (which calls cite encyclopedia eg:


 * It will fail every time that it is called with wstitle=FRED set because wrapper 1 never tests wstitle but instead sets "title=" to "title" which either has a value or is always set to empty and passed in by wrapper 2. Which is why (belt and braces) it is better to code with


 * If you, or any one else, knows of another method of coding  so that the coder/programmer can achieve the same level of code security without making the code in   more complex, then please explain how to do it. -- PBS (talk) 09:35, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You appear to be intent on making this overly complex. I can't help you any more. --  Gadget850talk 11:17, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I am not trying to make it overtly complex (and it is a breach of good faith to say so). Is there anything in my posting that you do not understand because the two solutions that you have suggested:
 * " title= "
 * have been shown not to work and only to work in limited circumstances, and my last posing here asks for a simpler solution than the one I have currently implemented. -- PBS (talk) 13:21, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * have been shown not to work and only to work in limited circumstances, and my last posing here asks for a simpler solution than the one I have currently implemented. -- PBS (talk) 13:21, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Sister project links
Is there a way for me to customize the left side navigation so that I can put, say, sister project links there? (I'm thinking of my own user pages more than anything else.) Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:19, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I am no expert on this stuff but, for say, a link to the Commons to appear in the left hand "toolbox", you can add to Special:MyPage/common.js:


 * To adapt for your own purposes, just replace the URL above with that for the sister page you want and replace "Commons" with the name you want to display. Remember to bypass your cache after saving. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:01, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 01:45, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Glad to help.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:27, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Request for Author Heath D. Alberts nomination to be reconsidered for acceptance.
Dear Wikipedia,

Re: Request for Author Heath D. Alberts nomination to be reconsidered for acceptance.

Verification: Heath D. Alberts has been one of authors for four years.

A nomination was recently submitted to the Board of Trustees and the Funds Dissemination Committee.

Author Heath D. Alberts has published two Novels and one non-fiction book.

•Terminal Beginning (2010)[2][3] ISBN 1-452-81657-3 (novel) •Last Rights (To be released 2013) (novel) •Guerrilla Business (2012) ISBN 1-475-13012-0 (non-fiction)

Heath became one of our authors of on our original site called Books In Sync and received the Visitors Choice Award for May, 2011. Our site has moved and changed its name to Cold Coffee Press. We are a promotion site dedicated to online visibility for our authors and their books. We are always looking for special websites were readers will have the chance to view and purchase our authors' works.

We are asking that you reconsider Author Heath D. Alberts nomination as he is deserving recognition.

His reference submission page is: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Heath D. Alberts

If there is anything that I can do to make this possible, please advise.

For verification please visit Heath Alberts Author's Page at Cold Coffee Press: http://www.coldcoffeepress.com/heath-alberts/

Thank you for reconsidering,

Cold Coffee Press — Preceding unsigned comment added by ColdCoffeePress (talk • contribs) 19:25, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Please add the additional material to the draft and resubmit it for review. But note that you still need references from reliable, third party sources to demonstrate notability. See WP:RS and WP:NAUTHOR.--ukexpat (talk) 20:07, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for being clear about what your site is. I'm sorry, but if you are a a promotion site dedicated to online visibility of anything at all, you are not welcome at Wikipedia. As individuals, the people who make up the "we" are welcome, but not for any kind of promotion. Please also note that it is not permitted for several people to share an account, or for an account to have a name suggesting in any way that it represents an organisation. --ColinFine (talk) 21:54, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Newborn Babies on facebook
this is an unacceptable page on facebook allowing people I don't know to see my son my profile is private for a reason please do something about this matter or I will have to remove all my photos of my child from facebook as I did not sign up to have this page post pictures of my child without my permission and as it is endorsed by Wikipedia I suggest you do something about it. I am one very anger mother right now. thanks for your time. This is the link to your so called page:- https://www.facebook.com/pages/Newborn-babies/110436145643524 please fix this problem!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.130.237 (talk) 22:03, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Facebook is not 'endorsed by Wikipedia'. Wikipedia has no links with Facebook whatsoever. The page in question has nothing to do with us. I suggest you contact Facebook themselves. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:06, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The Facebook page cited above has one picture, of a baby. It is this one, from Wikipedia Commons. Its Commons page says "It was reviewed on 20 May 2010 by the FlickreviewR robot and was confirmed to be licensed under the terms of the cc-by-2.0." If this is the picture that 78.145.130.237 is complaining about, then someone ought to look into it. 78.145.130.237, can you please tell us if this is the picture you are complaining about? I wrote this at 21:25, 8 May 2013‎ , and forgot to sign it. Maproom (talk) 23:03, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The Facebook page doesn't load for me. Was the page removed?  Does that solve the problem? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:35, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It would appear it was removed, as for me it redirects straight back to my home page. Close?-- Laun  chba  ller  22:37, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: this is the second post about this.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The first was from an IP address in Canberra, Australia; the second from one in Manchester, England. Maproom (talk) 06:24, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * At the risk of being repetitive - I really think it's time the WMF complained to Facebook about the way they use our material - specifically their failure to clearly distinguish what content they take from us and what they get from elsewhere. Complaints such as this are becoming more common and are damaging our reputation.


 * But the "Pictures of babies" panic going around on Facebook appears to be a misunderstanding, according to Facecrooks. See . --ColinFine (talk) 22:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)