Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 November 20

= November 20 =

Songs of Praise
In the article on the BBC program Songs of Praise there is a section entitled Assailant: The family of murder victim Billy Barclay criticised the programme for allowing his killer Garry Brotherston to appear on the show. On the programme, Brotherston said that he had "found God" while serving 11 years for Barclay's murder, and has now released an album.

This contributes nothing to the article but has been added as a personal attack on Mr Brotherstone. The tragic events of a gang fight 20 years ago really have no bearing on Songs of Praise. Mr Brotherstone served 11 years in prison for his crime which he committed as a teenager. The family of the victim are of course deeply hurt by such events, but the attempt to continually harass Mr Brotherstone should not be pursued through Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.192.202 (talk) 00:31, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * This Help Desk is for questions about how to edit Wikipedia. This is a reasonable place to ask how to address a content issue about Songs of Praise.  The answer is to discuss it on the article talk page, Talk:Songs of Praise.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:07, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia generally report events that are notable. If you think that this event is not sufficiently notable to be included into the article, you can use the talk page as was mentioned above. In this particular case mentioning this controversy especially in a separate section may not be justified indeed. Ruslik_ Zero 03:20, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * As the article was structured when you saw it, with a full stand alone section called "Assailant", it was not appropriate since it definitely gave too much emphasis to a single incident. I have changed the article to have a standard "Reception and impact" section that was missing, and included this incident amongst some of the other content of the same nature. Inclusion of the Brotherstone incident may still may be WP:UNDUE weight, or not, or it might be simply that we need to fill in more on the Reception and Impact since a program going for over 50 years has had more impact than is presently recorded in the article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  04:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * On second review, given the fact that it was sources to the Daily Record tabloid (wow!) removal on that ground alone would be appropriate. And a google news search revealed no other hits so it definitely appears to be an incident of little note, so I have moved it to the talk page pending better coverage. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:21, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Project
Hello, I am working on the article Eratosthenes and I really want to clean up my citations that are placed in the notes section. I want to combine the sources that are used through out the article. As of right now when I cite the citation adds yet another note although I had used the same source earlier. Is there anyway I could be able to make these come together? I need to cite throughout, but I do not want to the bibliography/notes section to be repetitive! Thank youToothFairyJenny (talk) 04:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe you can use footnotes for that. Cheers! SwisterTwister   talk  04:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I fixed one of them for you, to give you an example of how to do it. Unfortunately I screwed up on my first attempt, so you will see that it took me two edits to get it right.  (Basically the trick is to give a "name" to a reference -- you can then repeat it by giving the same name.) Looie496 (talk) 04:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * In the cite menu on the edit window there is a label entitled Named references and has a clipboard. If you click that it you get a drop down of all the named references to make it easier for you. When you are putting in the reference through the template you can provide the name as well. XFEM Skier (talk) 05:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * (e/c)see CITE. rather than the tag at the start of the citation use  then whenever you want to cite using that source again, rather than the full ref, you just use  (note the close slash at the end)-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  05:38, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * would work better. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:47, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Removal of Copyright Warning
I am having difficulty establishing copyright and licensing status for three images: File:General layout of an advanced inflow steam engine.png File:Uniflow Engine Section Details.png File:Constant Diameter Cylinder and Piston.png

Dan Gelbart, author, assigned these diagrams to the free license "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported" and GNU Free Documentation License. This authorization was sent on November 17, 2013 to permissions-en@wikimedia.org

However, a notice on the images states: "This file does not have information on its copyright and licensing status. Unless the copyright and licensing status is provided, the image will be deleted after Wednesday, 27 November 2013. Please remove this template if a correct copyright license tag has been added."

After Gelbart assigned the images to the Creative Commons, I re-uploaded the images, so they may be shown in the Wikipedia article Advanced Uniflow Steam Engine. I listed the images as Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported. I do not know how to add a correct copyright license tag. Can you help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guy Immega (talk • contribs) 05:31, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * if the images are on commons, you can just link directly to them, don't bother uploading them to Wikipedia. I misread your comment.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  05:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Since the images were previously deleted by Wikipedia editor Diannaa, I re-uploaded them after Gelbart assigned copyright to the commons. What do i do now to remove the copyright warning so the images will not be deleted again on 27 Nov? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guy Immega (talk • contribs) 06:21, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The owner of the copyright will need to follow the process outlined here WP:DONATEIMAGE. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

The owner of the copyright, Dan Gelbart, DID send a message to permissions-en@wikimedia.org, assigning ownership of the images to the commons! However, Dan Gelbart is not a Wikipedia editor and asked me to post the images. Can you please confirm that the copyright issue is settled? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guy Immega (talk • contribs) 14:01, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Look again at the process outlined at WP:DONATEIMAGE. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:39, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Where to ask for semi protection of the article?
One article needs to be semi protected urgently as perticular information is being added without reference again and again by different new IPs. Please help. May I request to kindly post the answer to my talk page? Thanks a lot in advance. The page which needs semi protection is this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Ayurveda,_Medicine_and_Surgery --Abhijeet Safai (talk) 06:08, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:RFPP. Dismas |(talk) 06:10, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot Dismas. --Abhijeet Safai (talk) 06:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Dismas |(talk) 08:46, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

My user name I need to change
I will not copy from my web site ever, however I would like to have my user name change from Manifest2014 to LaVoria Reese  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manifest2014 (talk • contribs) 06:19, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see Changing username. TimofKingsland (talk) 06:31, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * If you still want to change your username once you've read through that you can request a username change at Changing username/Simple by following the instructions there.TimofKingsland (talk) 06:44, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * You have only made 5 edits so it would be easier to create a new user account and abandon Manifest2014.--ukexpat (talk) 18:10, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

How do I save...
Hello, when I search for something like...Channing Tatum, how do I save the search or page for later review? I love to look stuff up but am not always able to read it all at one time but don't want to forget about it, can I make it a favorite or save it for later? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LunaFaye13 (talk • contribs) 06:41, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * There are a couple things you could do.
 * You could bookmark the article like you would any other web page on the Internet.
 * You could create a Wikipedia Book. See WP:BOOKS
 * You could edit your user page to include a list of favorite articles.
 * And though some people would possibly suggest adding the article to your watchlist, that's normally just used for keeping track of what changes were made to the articles that you're watching and not generally used as a way to remember all your favorite articles.
 * Hope this helps, Dismas |(talk) 08:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

RE: DonDonTheGreat
Hi, I am messaging you in regards to an article that I have posted on an artist that requested for me to add his info, including his bio and his latest album, which I have created a page about him as to add thte next page later. I took information from his facebook which is indentical to his website, but I can assure you that I have full consent from him to do so. I can also send you links, social network links etc. to back up that I myself own full copyright of the said album review/info. Please help me, it would be greatly appreciated, I am new to this and am just getting started, thankyou. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spexx23 DKS (talk • contribs) 09:24, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Your stating here that you have his consent to place the material here is not enough. Wikipedia will require proof that the owner of the copyright has released it so that it can be used. And as the material you have copied is anyway unacceptably promotional, it would be better to rewrite it – I have made a start on this. However, you have a bigger problem. The article as it is does nothing to demonstrate that its subject is notable, in Wikipedia's sense. Unless someone can change the article so that it demonstrates his notability, it will be deleted. See WP:BIO for guidance on how you might be able to do this. Maproom (talk) 10:21, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Duane Bobick
Reference help requested.

I tried to add a reference and ended up deleting the bulk of the text. I couldn't retrieve it. Can someone just return it to its previous txt?

Thanks, 96.245.109.57 (talk) 09:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Fixed here. Dismas |(talk) 09:41, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

article draft
Guylain Gustave Moke MunscheMvula Guylain Gustave Moke MunscheMvula, also known ‘’Gustave Moke’’ (born January, 19, 1976) is a Congolese born independent Journalist, Writer, Political Analyst, International Affairs blogger and Author of : The Political Game of the weakest Link ( Editions Nexus: 2007) and The World New Order of Apartheid: Africa ( Editions Xlibris 2009). Former Political editor of the Congolese Newspaper ‘’La Cloche’’ and member of the ‘’Congolese Journalists Association (1999). He is the first Congolese born Journalist to have written more than 5, 000 articles with different media outlets: Allafrica.com, FT, FP, Le Potentiel, La Cloche, La Reference Plus, Le Figaro & Africatime.com. He has also written 4 unsuccessful books.

Life and Education

The son of underachieved Congolese Politician André Moke Mingoy, Gustave Moke was born in Kinshasa in 1976. He attended ‘’Saint Gabriél’’ Elementary School and ‘’Saint Pierre’’ Secondary School, in Kinshasa. He received a B.A in ‘’Linguistics and Philosophy from the ‘’Faculté Catholique de Kinshasa’’ (Catholics University in Kinshasa).

Career

He started his journalism career in 1999 with the ‘’AZAP’’ (Zaire News Agency), which is today ‘’ACP’’ (L’Agence Congolaise de Presse). In same year he joined ‘’La Cloche’’ Newspaper as political editor. In 2001, Gustave Moke uncovered the case of the assassination of Laurent-Désiré Kabila, former President of the Democratic Republic of the Congo from May 17, 1997 to January 16, 2001 in a series of reports. He was reportedly detained for some of the revelations he published and disappeared. After while, he reappeared with more revelations of the former Congolese President, Laurent Désiré Kabila’s assassination and the former President’s son, Joseph Kabila, the current President, corruption and nationality, through ‘’proxies writers’’. It is believed that Gustave Moke, was the source behind the revelations published by his mentor, former political editor of the Congolese Newspaper ‘’La Reference Plus’’, which led to his assassinations in 2006. From exile, he published revelations, casting doubts over the President of Democratic Republic of Congo, Joseph Kabila, nationality and exposing the rampant corruption system in Dr-Congo, during the country 2011 presidential election, through his blogs: Guylainmokeworpress.com and Gustavemoke.blogspot.com and through the Congolese Opposition sites: dc-kin.net; democratiechretienne.org and diomindongala.wordpress.com. Gustave Moke is one of the most vocal critics of Joseph Kabila’s regime. References: http://perspective.usherbrooke.ca/bilan/servlet/BMAnalyse?codeAnalyse=1602 http://www.ingeta.com/le-regime-de-j-kabila-mal-laise-face-a-la-pression-des-combattants/ http://grandkasai.canalblog.com/archives/2011/12/02/22863996.html http://www.info-libye.com/article-20-octobre-la-mort-de-mouammar-kadhafi-mythe-ou-realite-86965861.html http://printempsarabe.blog.lemonde.fr/2011/05/23/au-maroc-les-jeunes-du-20-fevrier-restent-mobilises/ http://democratiechretienne.org/2011/11/25/rdcpresidentielle-kabila-humilie-a-matadi-sa-campagne-a-battu-de-lair/ http://infoscongo.com-50 years after the independence the DRC is still searching for a free and prosperous press. Articles http://guylainmoke.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/congo-rdcphenomene-combattants-le-regime-de-j-kabila-mal-laise-face-a-la-pression-des-combattants/ http://guylainmoke.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/congo-rdcfin-de-campagne-joseph-kabila-lapide-hier-a-kinshasa-le-peuple-kinois-seleve-contre-lui/ http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/dr-congo-failures-success-end-of-m23.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/congo-drc-presidential-un-accuses.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/dr-congo-joseph-kabilas-address-to-un.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/dr-congo-uns-ultimatum-to-m23-adf-rebels.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/dr-congo-obamas-waiver-child-soldier-ban.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/dr-congo-kinshasa-m23re-starting-peace.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/dr-congo-should-un-use-drones-to-take.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/dr-congo-stalematethe-farcical-m23.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/dr-congo-fall-of-goma-why-rwanda-backed.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/drc-congo-why-backroom-kampala-deal-is.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/africa-drcdr-congo-must-publish-deals.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/congodrc-un-new-report-conflict-and.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/congo-drcpresidential-joseph-kabila.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/congo-drc-minerals-smuggling-un-new.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/drc-congo-dan-gertler-and-joseph-kabila.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/drc-m23s-split-joseph-kabila-when.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/rwanda-rwanda-support-to-m23-eu.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/uganda-lra-un-condemns-lra-human-rights.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/africacorruption-when-west-corrupts.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/drc-congo-eastern-conflict-m23-and.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/drc-congo-eastern-conflict-m23-and.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/congordcun-says-150-women-raped-in-drc.html http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/tunisia-political-paralysis.html

Jennifer Birich (talk) 10:43, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * This is the help desk for Wikipedia, It is for asking questions on how to use Wikipedia. Do you have a question?  GB fan 10:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Are you maybe looking for Articles for creation? Dismas |(talk) 11:42, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Allan Sharpe
Could someone please give some guidance on the correct citation parameters for reference 13 in this article. I have another six references to the same archive. Many thanks, Gomach (talk) 11:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I added Also, notes can be placed under a Notes section, see Template:Notelist, and references can be placed under a reference section, see Template:Reflist. Generally, you don't need to use quotes in references to verify your article sentence post.-- Jreferee (talk) 14:14, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * In the case of this particular article, at one point most of the key references were not readily accessible to most editors, and I specifically requested the use of the quote= parameter in some of the cites. See the article talk page. DES (talk) 14:33, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your assistance. Can I use the same template for primary sources such as, scripts, programmes, etc? Gomach (talk) 14:29, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Published scripts could use the same template. UNpublished scripts should not be used as sources. If programs means the fliers handed out to those who attend a production (as opposed to a broadcast event) the same or a similar template should be usable. citation is an option. DES (talk) 01:33, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Changing logo
Hi

Do I have to wait 4 days for my account to be confirmed before I can change the new logo of the company, even though it is public (new website) that the current logo (on Wikipedia) is old? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.72.98.29 (talk) 11:53, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

If you decide to wait, please note that your account also needs to have made 10 edits, and that the edits you have already made as an IP do not count towards either the time, or the number. Arjayay (talk) 12:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, you can make a request at Files for upload (although editors will sometimes do it if you ask here, provided you can give a URL of where the logo can be found, and which article it relates to).

How long does speedy deletion usually take?
I wanted to move the Metrosideros excelsa article to Pōhutukawa (per WP:COMMONNAME), but the redirect at Pōhutukawa prevented me from doing it. I added to get the page deleted, but that has stopped the redirect from working properly (which has about 55 links to it). I'm not complaining at all, but it's been about 33 hours and I'm just curious how long these things usually take. Thanks. TimofKingsland (talk) 12:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hesperian "moved Pōhutukawa to Metrosideros excelsa: per long-established plant article naming convention" on 4 :February 2009‎. The plant article naming convention is at WP:FLORA. Does moving the Metrosideros excelsa article to Pōhutukawa comply with WP:FLORA? -- Jreferee (talk) 13:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * WPFLORA says, "Scientific names are to be used as article titles in all cases except when a plant has an agricultural, horticultural, economic or cultural use that makes it more prominent in some other field than in botany". This tree has significant cultural importance in New Zealand, the only area where it normally grows; I think this qualifies as a valid exemption under "cultural use". This should be discussed at the talk page of the article instead of here; I will post this there. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  16:39, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Unable to revert edits on Yahoo! Mail
I am unable to revert these undocumented edits done by an IP (unregistered editor) in October. There have been other edits since, and I suspect that no one else was able to revert those edits either. I am most concerned because these edits changed two existing categories into red links.

This is doubly annoying because my access to Wikipedia is VERY sluggish – took me almost twenty minutes just to look at the history page to try and locate who changed the categories. Thanks in advance for any pointers on how to deal with all these obstacles. XOttawahitech (talk) 15:12, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ (almost) manually. -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  15:34, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * , I see you have only restored the categories but have not reverted the other changes. This particular unregistered user (who I believe is working in good faith) has edited scores of other Yahoo! related articles. I was hoping that a revert rather than simply re-editing will get more attention. XOttawahitech (talk) 15:53, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * It appears that the sole effect of these edits was to remove the ! symbol from various versions of the yahoo name. Rather than doing a technical revert, you could simply edit to restore the symbol in the variosu places it is used. However, before doignso I advise reading Manual of Style/Trademarks which says, in part: "Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words..." I would take this to favor "Yahoo" over "Yahoo!". You might discuss the matter at Talk:Yahoo! Mail. DES (talk) 15:44, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * , Are you saying it is OK to break existing wiki-links by simply removing the “!” in many existing articles and categories? To be honest I don’t have the time or inclination to try and start long drawn discussions about this issue on all Yahoo! pages. XOttawahitech (talk) 16:02, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No not at all. If the categories are to be changed, then a proper cat rename must be done. If the article is to be renamed, it should be moved leaving a proper redirect. But the edit in question changed text in the info box and in other places in the article, not just in the category names. Therefore I am saying that the changes to the cat names were incorrect, and should have been undone, but were not vandalism, in that they were apparently an attempt, albeit ill-advised, to improve the page. I have started a discussion at Talk:Yahoo! Mail, we will see what, if anything, other editors have to say. No current action seems required to me, pending any development of that discussion. DES (talk) 16:10, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

I have taken an axe to the talk page which was partly being used as a support forum. Appropriate template also added.--ukexpat (talk) 19:39, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

OFFLINE BROWSING OF WIKI ARTICLES.
Dear Sir Can I download some articles and make sync. copy on my hard disk for offline view? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EDWARD.KAMEL (talk • contribs) 15:19, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * See WP:Download for places to download copies of Wikipedia. Be mindful that even just the text version is nearly 10 gigabytes and downloaded copies will not be up to date. uhhlive (talk) 15:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * You might also find Wikipedia books useful. --ColinFine (talk) 15:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Can't log on
I'm a very experienced user User:Smallbones and I cannot log on. While logged on, I opened a new window and it asked me to log on, which I tried to do, the log in page said I entered the wrong password, so I had a new password sent to my e-mail and logged in with that, the page then asked me to create a new password, which I tried to do but got the message "Change password You must be logged in to access this page directly." I was logged off in the original window as well. There was nothing left to do, so I requested a new password and tried it again. Same thing happened. Who do I contact? My guess is that it is some routine maintenance by the WMF techies and they inserted a small mistake; but who knows? I can be contacted via the e-mail function on my regular user page. Smallbonestemp (talk) 16:23, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Also can't log in with old user name on Commons. Smallbonestemp (talk) 16:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Got it. Seems to have something to do with Capitalization, which I never had problems with before.  Smallbones( smalltalk ) 17:47, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

James Le Jeune
Hello I have just left this message in the wrong place here it is again... I got a message telling me I haven't nominated James Le Jeune Irish Artist properly, I have been trying and I am afraid I haven't been successful, can someone do it for me please. Thank you for all the help with it, it is better then I ever could have done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enuejel (talk • contribs) 17:16, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Working on it now... -- John of Reading (talk) 17:22, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * OK. Your nomination is now named Template:Did you know nominations/James Le Jeune and is included in the listing at Template talk:Did you know. But you need to make one more edit to the nomination page; where it says "Artist, Portrait Painter plus" you need to fill in the text that you'd like to appear on the main page - the "hook text". The rules for that are at Did you know, but you can get the general idea by look at the "Did you know" section of the Main Page. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:33, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Format Edit
I am trying to format an edit I am trying to make. While the page, Jose de Creeft, did accept the edit, it is improperly formatted. Please help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdalba (talk • contribs) 17:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Other users have edited the article to comply with the Manual of Style.--ukexpat (talk) 17:51, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * That is the problem with just dumping a wall of text - one which was quite possibly cut and pasted from somewhere else - into a Wikipedia article. To get the correct formatting you need to learn the basics of Wiki markup.  Someone else has since removed your edit, perhaps so you can try again, but before you do it is probably best to take a look at how the text is formatted for other articles.  Just pick an article and click "edit" to view the wiki markup.  You can also take a look at the Editing help to see a more structured help tool.
 * I also moved the images in the current article to a gallery to make the article look better on the screen. Astronaut (talk) 17:58, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Actually, it looks like they just removed it, for reasons I can guess.
 * 1st, the simple way to format a list like this is just to put an asterisk "*" in front of each line
 * 2nd, we don't usually include long lists like this. Rather, we prefer prose descriptions. I'd guess the usual maximum length of a list like this is 10 items.
 * 3rd, a long list like this is likely to arose suspicions of a copyright violation. Please make sure that this is not just copied from somewhere; it would need to be your own work.
 * Hope this helps. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 18:00, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I have made a start on formatting this at Talk:Jose de Creeft/timeline (as I noted on Talk:Jose de Creeft). There are other problems besides the formatting. I haven't yet checked how much of this this supported by the sources already in the article, but much of it would need to be separately sourced. Wikipedia articles are not normally constructed in this kind of list format, integrating them into article prose is usually better. The level of detail here is probably too high for the article, and many of the details may not be relevant. Thre is also the question of origin. If this was in fact directly copied from another source, then Wikipedia cannot host it. I haven't tried to check yet. DES (talk) 19:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * If it is copied from somewhere else, Google can't find it. I tried a couple of phrases and no match in Google.Naraht (talk) 19:25, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * And I ran it through Earwig's Copyvio Detector, none detected.--ukexpat (talk) 19:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Length of article title
Is there a limit to the length of the title of a page/article? I find this one absurdly long:

To ensure that any new or revised requirement providing for the screening, testing, or treatment of individuals operating commercial motor vehicles for sleep disorders is adopted pursuant to a rulemaking proceeding (H.R. 3095; 113th Congress)

Thanks, Hordaland (talk) 19:59, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Article titles should reflect the subject's WP:COMMONNAME which this obviously isn't. In the absence of a short title, which most bills have when then are enacted, I suggest that this be moved to H.R. 3095, which will leave behind a redirect should anyone actually search for the long title.--ukexpat (talk) 21:27, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Is there an easy way to get a list of the Top X articles by length of the article name or just everything with more than 50 characters in the name?Naraht (talk) 12:46, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The toolserver "grep" tool can give you a list of long titles. A search for the regular expression  eventually returns a list of 84,073 articles with 50+ character titles. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:04, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your answers! I've tagged the article for notability & update. (As it reads, it's a proposal while Google tells me it's been signed into law; it has no secondary source.) And I've noted my concerns on its Talk page. I've not contacted its author, assuming s/he has it watched. Hordaland (talk) 10:26, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Tony Morales page was created, saved multiple times but now seems to have disappeared!
Hello and thanks for taking a moment to review and answer my question!

Last week I created a page for film composer Tony Morales. I edited and previewed the page multiple times and ultimately saved the page. My understanding was that by saving the page I was agreeing to publish it. At the very least I expected it to literally be "saved" in a place where I could access it and make further edits in the future. However I can not find it anywhere.

Any clues to this mystery would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaveMilne (talk • contribs) 19:59, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * According to your contribution log, you didn't create and save that, or any other article, while logged in as DaveMilne, and I checked for deleted pages also. We did once have an article entitled Tony Morales, but it was deleted in 2006, apparently because it failed to indicate how this person was significant, see Speedy deletion criterion A7. If you saved it, from any account or while not logged in, recently, it wasn't under that title. It is possible that you failed to complete the save process, and less likely but possible that the save failed due to some sort of technical glitch. DES (talk) 20:12, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

My messages are not showing up on a talk page
Hi. Can someone explain why my last two messages are visible on User:Sc30002001 talk page's edit history, but do not show up on the saved page, or even when viewing the diffs? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 21:15, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * It was because in July left a comment tag unterminated, so lost the display of all subsequent text. - David Biddulph (talk) 21:37, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I've fixed it, though I then had to fix up several posts which were suddenly all signed by me. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, John. Nightscream (talk) 03:43, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Rob Ford Mayor of Toronto page of Wikipedia.
Someone has written some coarse statements under the heading of Ford's prior experience which I find inappropriate and offensive, regardless of whether or not they're true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.101.149.245 (talk) 22:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't see the section you are referring to as there is no heading for prior experiences in the article Rob Ford. Additionally Wikipedia is not censored (see WP:UNCENSORED). Note that content must follow WP:BLP and have sources. XFEM Skier (talk) 23:05, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

World Bioenergy Association
Hello! I have just created an article for my organisation 'World Bioenergy Association' (WBA) and it has been flagged for immediate deletion due to copyright and promotional reasons. As I work for the WBA is there anyway this could be avoided? Would anyone be willing to help make the page look better? for example more like our REN Alliance partner the IHA (International Hydropower Association) International Hydropower Association. I have all the information needed to create the WBA page with logo's and links etc. Best, Andrew Potter (WBA Director of Communications) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewEPotter (talk • contribs) 22:58, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * First thing you should look into is WP:COI, as clearly that is an issue here. Wikipedia is also not for self-promotion. WP:NOTADVERTISING. If your association is notable a Wikipedia article might be called for but you are not the right person to write it, you can look here for other possibilities (WP:AFC). XFEM Skier (talk) 23:22, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * And the second thing you or somebody should look into is whether it passes the test for notability, i.e. has it been written about at length in reliable sources independent of the organisation? --ColinFine (talk) 16:38, 21 November 2013 (UTC)