Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 November 25

= November 25 =

Adding Photo
Help Me How may I add a photo to an existing page — Preceding unsigned comment added by PGHPA611 (talk • contribs) 03:24, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * See WP:UPIMAGE. Dismas |(talk) 04:41, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Steroids image
My question concerns the article Steroids (journal), where I am trying to add an image I recently uploaded to the article, but can't get it to display right, or at all. The file is File:Steroids journal cover.gif. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jinkinson  talk to me  04:19, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I have fixed it. Jinkinson   talk to me  04:22, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

password and email
Hi. Ive been given the task of trying to create/update our organisations Wiki page. Nothing has been done on it for years and no-one knows now who created it. I have our user name but I do not have the password and it seems that the email address you have for us to reset the password is not one we use. Could you please assist me? Thanks, 203.193.196.20 (talk) 04:40, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * There are a couple things you should know at this point.
 * Accounts are not to be used by a group. Each account should only be used by one person.  So, setting up an account for your group was not to be done in the first place and therefore if you intend on using an account to edit, someone should make an account for only themselves.  See WP:ACCOUNT
 * Editing article about a person or group that you are affiliated with is a clear conflict of interest. (See WP:COI)  While this is still allowed, it is strongly discouraged.  The best thing to do is to post your comments and corrections (with reliable sources) on the article's talk page which can be found by clicking on the "Talk" or "Discussion" (it depends on which skin you are using for the web site) link at the top of the article.
 * Without knowing the email address, or even if an address was linked to the account (this is not required), there is no way to reset the password and have it given to anyone else.
 * I hope you take these points into consideration. If you would like, you can post the title of the article here and that may encourage some of the people that frequent this help desk to at least look it over to see if there are any obvious corrections that need to be made.  Dismas |(talk) 04:51, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

That is good info to know - Im very new to this. I would post the title of the article - but there is absolutely nothing on it. Its just the name of the org. So, Im sorry if this is a silly question, but if the org I work for, which is a charity, wanted to see their info on a wiki page, then how does that happen? Thanks, 203.193.196.20 (talk) 05:04, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The best way is to wait for someone not affiliated with the organization to write about it. Failing that, if there were no existing page you might use the articles for creation process, provided that you clearly disclose your affiliation. If the existing page/article really has no content at all, it could be deleted on those grounds. Alternatively, you could post on nthe talk page of the existing article. What is the title of the existing article, anyway? DES (talk) 05:21, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * So the page is blank? I'm surprised it hasn't been deleted yet. Putting that aside for the moment, first the organization must be notable per Wikipedia guidelines. See WP:ORG. If it is notable enough for an article and you intend on writing it anyway, I suggest going through the Articles for creation process. That way it can be reviewed by a neutral editor for things like: A) promotional language and tone, B) checking to make sure that the org is notable, C) the article has reliable sources. Dismas |(talk) 05:23, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

User:Family Drug Support This is the page. Thank you, I will have a look at the article for creation process too. 203.193.196.20 (talk) 05:31, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * That is not an article. It is a user page.  Whenever someone creates an account, they get a user page.  That user just never added anything to it.  It's not an article for your org.  Dismas |(talk) 05:36, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Jeffrey Ingram - Dissociative Fugue Amnesia....
I am the wife of Jeffery Ingram and would be happy to work with whomever to update the page with actual information regarding his condition. His name is misspelled. I'm happy to help with links, facts, etc. regarding this rare medical condition. just let me know how and what you would like to see.

Thank you Penny and Jeffery Ingram — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.159.121.124 (talk) 05:21, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * As his wife, you have an obvious conflict of interest. Your best method is to post on Talk:Jeffrey Ingram with updated or corrected information, and if possible links or cites to reliable sources that support your statements. Note that blog or social media postings are mostly not acceptable, except ones form the subject himself to show what he has said. The name can be fixed, but for this also a source should be cited. DES (talk) 05:55, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Just a Nice Guy - I think NOT
once lived in Winnetka IL. How do I know this? One night after being recently hired by the highly regarded "Jack" who was prevously been the head chaf of Skokie Counrty Club. I was a bus person and wanted more than anything to be a real waitrees. One night everyone was abuzz. I had no idea what was going on but was bound to find out. The waitresses were hesitant, and nervourse as they told me that and jsut entered the restaurant. I told them not to worry, I would confirm their answer. I was pouring water for [her] staring at [him] to be sure it was him. Marlo screemed in her "That Girl" voice. "Oh ... just look at me, I am a mess". This prompted [him] to shout far to loudly,"Oh My God, What have you done, Just look at what you have done you fool!". I appologized, offered to have her clothes professionally cleaned (It was only water after all!)

Unfortunatly, [they] made such a noisy scene that not only did the entire resturant know of the incidnet but Jack the "chef" came out of the kitche and fired me on the spot. Everyone saw it, everyone knew. I was humiliated to a degree I can not explain. It has effected me to this day and I am 52 years old. ...if you couldn't find it in your heart to explain that I was young, inexperienced, and nieve, I feel so sorry for you. It helpes me explain why I saw every day in the smoking area of in Winnetka. Actually he was a friend of my step brother so I hope he is doing well.

You really messed up my confidence and self esteem,

Best Regards, Ellen Evans — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.51.210.86 (talk) 05:59, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

The above anecdote is not a question for help in using Wikipedia, nor would it be suitable for incorporating into a Wikipedia article as it stands. it is not appropriate here. i am leaving it up, but hatted, for a time merely so that the original poster can see what happened to it. DES (talk) 06:15, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

wrong info for Wyott tribe on Table Bluff... not a picture of Rez? please reply ..ty
View to the north from Table Bluff towards Humboldt Bay with the blue Seth Kinman home in the foreground. Kinman had the first accepted land claim in Humboldt County, California. To the left and rear is the large white home of The Haneys, a properous merchant family. Date23 March 2011.....c
 * English:* THIS IS WRONG!!!
 * THIS IS NOT A PICTURE OF THE RESERVATION. The area is to the left and we have a much better picture and view from the rez that you can take a pictufrom. It is not fair to the Wiyot people to show a picture of white settelers land after what the white settlers did to the Wiyots in the 1860 massacre. Kevin Foster — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.39.231 (talk) 06:29, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I think that this refers to this picture. Maproom (talk) 08:18, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Losing my place when I go back
If i click on a link within the text of an article to go to another page, when i click the back button, it takes me back to the section of the article i was reading, but not to the exact place. I have to reopen the section and scroll down to find where i was when i clicked the link. I'm using Chrome on a mobile phone. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrdlu junction (talk • contribs) 08:26, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't find this issue myself; I use Chrome and Firefox on a Nexus 2013, and it resolves itself after a few seconds. What tablet/browser version are you using? -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  13:16, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

(Not sure if I'm doing this right by editing here) I use Chrome on a Samsung S3. I tried accessing the Mobile site using Chrome on my laptop, and the problem doesn't occur. So maybe it's something to do with phone settings, or a difference between the Android and Windows versions of Chrome, though that wouldn't explain why it happens on my Samsung and not on the earlier poster's Nexus. Would the version of Chrome used by Samsung be different from that used by other manufacturers? Maybe this isn't a Wikipedia issue, though I haven't encountered it when browsing other sites on my phone. Any help would be appreciated. Chrome version is 39.0.2171.93 I tried it on my Android tablet and the problem doesn't occur. I don't know what to search for on the Internet because I don't know what these expandable/collapsible sections are called. Thanks.Shrdlu junction (talk) 22:12, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

User name redirect
Hi Admin/moderator,

my old user name "infocomp" is blocked but i created a new user name "maniamit" today.

i want my old user name (infocomp) to be redirected on new user.

as you had informed me to rename my existing user name.

Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maniamit (talk • contribs) 08:34, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * If you ask for your old user name to be changed to a new user name, through the process at WP:CHU, then the previous history will be redirected. Creating a new account from scratch won't do that. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:49, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Query Missing or empty | title= (help)
Sirs,

I am trying to post an article on Wikipedia on a UK company.Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/AlcoSense

1. I am getting error messages on the page that I am currently working on. The errors occur on the references in the text and the error messages read. Missing or empty |title= (help)

I have embedded the page and comments at the bottom of this message. You will see that I am having problems with the references no 10 and 13-17. I have read that where the error occurs it may need a title or chapter. When I add the title of the referenced article the entry was deleted or it made no difference to the error message. Can you please explain (as simply as possible) WHAT this error message means i.e. WHAT information it is asking for and HOW I should present it? Thank you.

2. As a separate point I would like to present the page in a different template (with a separate box highlighting the company details) as per this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humax I cannot find the template options. Can you advise me where I can find a choice of template page layouts?

Many thanks NowEddy — Preceding unsigned comment added by NowEddy (talk • contribs)


 * I've removed the text of your article. We don't post articles here. If anyone wants to answer your questions, they can go to the article at Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/AlcoSense.  Dismas |(talk) 10:54, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Any time you use the cite web template, you have to provide the title of the page. So your reference should look something like this:
 * It's the title part that it is complaining about. So just put "title=whatever the title is" between two pipe characters.  Dismas |(talk) 10:59, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, and the Humax article uses Template:Infobox company on the right side to sum up the company details. I think that's what you were asking for.  Dismas |(talk) 11:06, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit request
Hi, I'm trying to get factual corrections made to an article where I have a personal conflict of interest and so I'm avoiding editing the article directly. I've already done the obvious thing and requested changes on the article Talk page, but it's a low traffic article and in nearly two months no-one has responded. Many thanks in advance for any help, MartinPoulter (talk) 11:59, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I responded on that talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:02, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The article is to a troubling extent based om primary sources. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:17, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Revisions changed
Hello there. I've recently make a bunch of revisions to the page for Ganeden Biotech and I see now that it's reverted back to it's original information. The information is old and wrong. How do I bring back all the revisions I made? Thank you. Erin Miller Marketing Manager Ganeden Biotech — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.88.24.34 (talk) 13:58, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * If you go to the article and click on the history tab you will see that your edits were reverted because of a copyright violation. If you are the owner of the copyrighted material, then you could denote it to Wikipedia by the processes described for donating copyrighted material, but in general material from company websites is too promotional to give the neutral point of view required for an encyclopedia. You ought to read the guidance on editing a topic where you have a conflict of interest. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:29, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I revised the article. It probably could used another once over to see if any advertising focus remains. The company's growth is impressive and its subject matter foot and toenail fungus and for psoriasis etc. would be interesting to expand on. -- Jreferee (talk) 16:54, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I just made a few revisions to what you wrote. We no longer sell the OTC products. I also revised our list of websites. I'm not sure how to add a reference. Can you do that for me? http://www.fda.gov/food/ingredientspackaginglabeling/gras/noticeinventory/ucm314145.htm Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.88.24.34 (talk) 15:38, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

How i put a website in Wikipedia
How i put a website in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.18.231.44 (talk) 15:47, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Assuming that you mean "how do I create an article?", please read Your First Article.--ukexpat (talk) 15:58, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Polandball cannot into english Wikipedia
There's no article about Polandball in english Wikipedia, unlike several other versions of Wikipedia. An attempt to create an article was deleted, despite it was referenced.

Is there any chance to create a "delete-proof" article about Polandball in english Wikipedia? What is needed to do that?

I appreciate your answer.

Thanks in advance.

--Babelia (talk) 16:03, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Nothing in Wikipedia is "delete-proof". An article on Polandball may be recreated, and may then subject to another proposal for deletion, probably with the same result as last time. Maproom (talk) 16:31, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * You should also note that English-language Wikipedia has its own policies and guidelines regarding what may be considered appropriate encyclopaedic content - other-language Wikipedias may have different standards, and the existence of an article on one is not in itself sufficient grounds to assume that it would be acceptable on another. I see no reason to assume that an article about an offensive internet meme of little significance would stand any better chance of being accepted if recreated than it was the first time. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:50, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * As a note, Polandball is currently in 7th place out of pages that don't exist in en.wikipedia by number of Wikipedias that it is on. http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php?list&lang=en&mode=tx . However, in addition to "missing" on Enwiki, it is also missing on frwiki and dewiki but present on some *very* obscure ones... If anything, I'd go the other way and WP:SALT Naraht (talk) 20:46, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * What is needed is for people to understand that using Wikipedia for trolling is not acceptable. Anyone who is unable to understand what "polandball" is, or why promoting it might be equivalent to trolling, should probably contribute elsewhere. Johnuniq (talk) 22:31, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Molluscm
From what country do people tend to get molluscum is it passed down to parent to child. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.195.40 (talk) 17:28, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol_move_vote.svg Hello, 71.175.195.40. This help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. You might find what you are looking for in the article Molluscum. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at the Science section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in answering knowledge questions there, but please remember that Wikipedia does not give medical advice. benzband  ( talk ) 17:48, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Category history
Is there a tool to track changes (articles added, articles removed) in a category? (PS. If you reply please notify me via the notifications system or my talkpage) benzband  ( talk ) 17:40, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * At User scripts there's a script "Catwatch" which causes additions to categories to appear in your watchlist. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:19, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thankyou! I only wanted to keep track of additions anyway. benzband  ( talk ) 18:16, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I have installed the script but unfortunately it isn't working (and apparently It's not just me). benzband  ( talk ) 18:46, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * That's a shame. Perhaps a post at WP:VPT will get the attention of someone who can fix it? -- John of Reading (talk) 18:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Why were my edits removed?
Hello,

This question pertains to a Wikipedia page about me, Jeffrey H. Norwitz. The link is Jeffrey Norwitz

Over the past month, I've been adding new information and expanding the External Links section. The last edit was yesterday Nov 25.

Today I find all of my edits have been removed.

Please explain so that I can recreate in a manner that will not be removed.

Thanks

Jeff Norwitz


 * The content was deleted by with the summary "remove unsourced content and excessive lists of own works". A bibliography that includes not only published books but book chapters and individual articles would in my view be excessive for any subject except one who is very famous (not merely notable) indeed. Nobel Prize level, perhaps. The edit removed a large number of external links formatted with cite templates but not being used as inline citations. See WP:EL for the relevant guideline. Note that you have a very clear Conflict of interest here and ideally should not be editing the article at all, merely making suggestions on Talk:Jeffrey H. Norwitz which is where this discussion should probably be taken. DES (talk) 19:59, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Your edits added an unnecessary list of your publications and a complete run down of your career. In fact you made an encyclopedia article about yourself into an online resume and that is not what Wikipedia is for.  Because it is difficult for the subject of articles to write in neutral terms, contributors are discouraged from writing about themselves.  Astronaut (talk) 20:00, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I sincerely apologize for violating protocol and thank you for the candid reply. This will not happen again. Thanks for all you do. JHN — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jnorwitz (talk • contribs) 15:15, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Can't correct mu BIo.
I have constantly tried to up-date and correct my introductory Bio and information. Each time I correct it, it returns to the original miss information after an hour or so. How can I correct this? Kidacar (talk) 21:27, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I assume that you are talking about Baikida Carroll? Looking at the article history, and at your user talk page, it appears that the problem is that the material you added had previously been published on another website, and hence its publication on Wikipedia is therefore a copyright violation.  If you are the copyright holder, then in principle you could donate the material to Wikipedia using the process for donating copyrighted material, but in general material from the subject's website is likely to be written in too promotional a tone to meet Wikipedia's requirement for a neutral point of view. Because of the difficulty of maintaining a NPOV, there is special guidance about editing on topics where you have a conflict of interest. - David Biddulph (talk) 21:39, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Having looked at the reverted material, it stands zero chance of remaining in the article even if the copyright issue is resolved -- it is far too promotional in tone. Suggest that the original poster uses the article's talk page to suggest edits to correct the "misinformation".--ukexpat (talk) 21:58, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Democratic vs. Democrat
The NAME of the Democrat Party is Democrat, a NOUN; nominative case, not Democratic, an ADJECTIVE, generally a descriptive part of speech. Thus, Democrats should be named or appointed as Democrats, not Democratic. If they are NAMED as Democratic, they are being described, not NAMED. Democrats should be Democrat - singularly or Democrats in the plural. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:5D08:5CC9:AD25:5F32:2F15:6348 (talk) 22:17, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Standard use in sources is Democratic Party and a member of the Democratic party is described as a Democrat. The use of "Democrat Party" is viewed as a negative epithet. This use as an epithet however is notable enough for an article of its own, see Democrat Party (epithet).Naraht (talk) 22:24, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * The Democratic Party is both standard use and the party's own name for itself. If "Democratic" was merely used as an adjective and not part of the actual party name then it would have been lower case "The democratic Party". Members and supporters are called Democrats. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:41, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't it depend on which country's party is being discussed? See Democrat Party. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 00:47, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, but when people at Wikipedia (and the Internet in general) assume a country without stating it, it's nearly always USA. I estimated more than 99% chance in this case even before checking that the IP address is American as suspected (I'm not American by the way). Anyway, the poster is apparently complaining about the name "Democratic Party" so the far longer list at Democratic Party may be more relevant if we don't assume USA. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:44, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Nouns in English do not have case, which suggests that the OP is out of their depth linguistically. --ColinFine (talk) 10:56, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. Even if English did have case for proper nouns, the usage "Democrat Party" would be incorrect in using a noun as a modifier of "Party".  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:43, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * A reference to a "democrat party" would be bad grammar, but in the case of an organization, it seems best to use the name as would be found on the organization's letterhead. Around the world there are a number of examples of "Democrat Party" and "Democratic Party", and there is little to be gained by disapproving of their name choice. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 01:46, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with Anne that the name actually used by the organization is the name that we should use. Since the unregistered IP editor does not identify a particular organization, it is almost certainly being tendentious in even taking this dispute to this help page, because the question almost certainly refers to Democratic Party (United States), where the insistence on using the form that is legally and grammatically incorrect is a stubborn insistence on an epithet.  Anne is right, but the IP is apparently just wrong.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:51, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

WTF?
So i am trying to make an article about th URL(Battle league) and this site is makeing it hard for me to make that!

How is it that King of the Dot and Dont Flop has articles and i cant make one for URL which is bigger and more known?

Can somebody help me make this site plss? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigzero0123 (talk • contribs) 22:27, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It appears that you are talking about the article URLTV, currently tagged for speedy deletion. It was so tagged under WP:CSD, meaning that the article as it stands serves no purpose but promotion or advertisement for its subject. It may well be that an article on this subject could be written, but it would have to be encyclopedic in tone and neutral in content. Phrases such as "URL set its footprint in the mainstream with such Events as...", "URL is one of the biggest BattleRap Leagues in the world.", and "The Company was started back in 2009 by the Street legend Smack White..." sound like advertising. It doesn't help that there are no references at all, much less any to independent, published reliable sources. This is not the way to create a Wikipedia article. Try reading Your first article before you try again. You might want to consider the articles for creation process.

Categories for architects' designs
Since there wasn't any category for buildings designed by Benjamin Henry Latrobe, I created Category:Benjamin Henry Latrobe and began populating it: I put his article into it, along with articles about his designs. Midway through the process, I discovered that I'd overlooked the existence of Category:Benjamin Henry Latrobe buildings and structures and that it had been moved to this title from "Category:Benjamin Henry Latrobe" following a 2011 CFD. Two questions: (1) Is it generally considered desirable to provide a link from the biography to the category for his designs? (2) If so, how? I don't feel comfortable putting him into the category for his designs, since he's not a building or structure, and he didn't design himself. On the other hand, my sentiments aren't universal; Samuel Hannaford is a member of Category:Samuel Hannaford buildings. Not sure what the most common practise is for eponymous categories, whether for architects and designed-by-architect, or musicians and sung-by-musician, or authors and written-by-author, or whatever else. Nyttend (talk) 22:55, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know what is most common but it may be a good topic for Wikipedia talk:Categorization of people to discuss whether WP:EPONCAT should mention categories for works by people, for example subcategories of Category:Works by American filmmakers, Category:Works by American writers, Category:American compositions and recordings, Category:Buildings and structures by American architects. Personally I think the person should be the main article in categories for their works, unless there also is a category named only for the person. For example, Stephen King is already in Category:Stephen King so he shouldn't also be in Category:Works by Stephen King, but Benjamin Henry Latrobe should be in Category:Benjamin Henry Latrobe buildings and structures. But pedants may say the person is not a work so it would be wrong no matter how practical it is to connect the person to the category about their works. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:08, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * The person should not be in the category about their works; that would be like putting Arsenal F.C. in Category:Arsenal F.C. players which would mean some articles would be in many incorrect categories. The bio article could link to the category as a See also.  @Nyttend: Before creating a new category I strongly recommend that you do a search for "Category: " and also look at the articles you propose placing in the new category to see how they are already categorized. DexDor (talk) 06:16, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Arsenal F.C. is already in the parent category Category:Arsenal F.C. so it wouldn't have to be in the player category to make the connection between article and category system. If Category:Arsenal F.C. players had been the only Arsenal-related category then I would support placing the club there, for example because of the section Arsenal F.C.. Similarly, if there is a category for works by somebody then their biography is almost certain to have information about their works. I think the main purpose of the category system is to help readers find relevant articles. Somebody interested in Arsenal is likely to also be interested in their players and vice versa, whether or not the relevant category happens to be called "Arsenal F.C. players" or only "Arsenal F.C." PrimeHunter (talk) 14:36, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * @PrimeHunter, The form of categorization you are proposing does not align with existing WP guidance (WP:Categorization, WP:DEFINING etc) which says to categorize an article by the defining characteristics of its topic. In your categorization scheme the existence of one category would affect whether an article should be a member of another category which is not the way we normally categorize.  Also, we don't categorize articles based on what sections they have - i.e. an article about Foos that has a section Foos#In_Baristan shouldn't be categorized under Baristan as that's not a defining characteristic of the whole topic. If you think that you might get consensus for a change to the categorization scheme then please discuss it on the appropriate talk page. DexDor (talk) 21:56, 26 November 2013 (UTC)