Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 November 26

= November 26 =

Gladys Elizabeth Baker
Hi, I'm helping a friend get a page up for a class project and I accidentally created the page with an improperly capitalized title. We're both new editors and I was wondering if there was an easy way to capitalize the title properly.Reitmanmr (talk) 00:00, 26 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reitmanmr (talk • contribs) 00:00, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * In the upper right corner there is a drop down arrow that as the option move on it. Select move and then move it to the correct capitalization. XFEM Skier (talk) 00:14, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * You can move articles when you become autoconfirmed. User:Reitmanmr needs two more edits. I have moved Gladys elizabeth baker to Gladys Elizabeth Baker. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I want succeed in  CET-4,what  should i  do??
I want  succeed in  CET-4,what  should i  do?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.19.100.41 (talk) 00:28, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Based on CET4 and your Chinese IP address I guess you refer to College English Test.
 * Symbol_move_vote.svg Have you tried the section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia.  For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: [ click here] . I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:46, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit
I can not get information added to the Dollar Baby page, the Stephen King film program. I did not even get a response from whoever monitors the page. I don't even know if this message will be answered, as the one page says to go to the help desk for problems and then when on the help desk page it says to go to search box or reference desk, both which do not lead to bringing attention to anyone to have my issue resolved. I should be able to have my information looked at and my links checked, which are my IMDb link to the film's page and my Facebook film page. My use of quotations or tildes should not affect it. Meanwhile the Stephen King dollar baby page should be for legitimate films, some on the page were done by film studios and thus not eligible to be true dollar babies, as they are for students only. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_Baby Reaper&#39;sImage (talk) 05:14, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * You have never edited the article Dollar Baby, nor its talk page; at least not with the account you are using now. It is not clear from your question what issue you are referring to, nor what information you want looked at. I see that your userpage has (had: they've now been deleted) two links, both to unreliable sources unsuitable for use in Wikipedia, about the film "The Reaper's Image", which is listed in the Dollar Baby article. While I don't know what you are trying to do, I guess that the best place to discuss it may be the talk page for the article. Maproom (talk) 08:33, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

wrong page connection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echomimetic


 * Yes indeed! The original article was overwritten a month ago and replaced by someone's biography. Thank you for reporting this. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed! The original article was overwritten a month ago and replaced by someone's biography. Thank you for reporting this. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Category title
How do I edit the category title?

People form "King City ON" is incorrectly listed as "King ON", but I don't know how to change the category title https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:People_from_King,_Ontario&action=edit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abraxas42 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * people from king, ontario
 * The place to suggest renaming a category is Categories for discussion. But since the Wikipedia article is named King, Ontario, I don't think any change is needed. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * We have articles about both King, Ontario and King City, Ontario which is a part of King, Ontario. What makes you say Category:People from King, Ontario is only for King City? It looks to me like it's for all of King. It for example contains Roger Attfield who is from Nobleton, Ontario, another part of King. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:08, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

error messages when revert vandal
I'm getting error messages like: "User talk page modification: parsererror "OK" occurred while contacting the API." when trying to revert a vandal or put a warning on the editor's talk page. What is wrong? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 06:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming you are using Twinkle. There currently seems to be a glitch involving Twinkle; it's reported here. Darylgolden ( talk ) 06:37, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, Twinkle. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 06:41, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Lost sandbox
I lost my sandbox I'd been writing to, maybe because I set all my preferences to their defaults?? Can't seem to recover it.

Also, do I get only one sandbox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paj60wiki (talk • contribs) 07:15, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Is this what you were writing - User:Paj60wiki/Oil and Honey: The Education of an Unlikely Activist? It is the only article in your user space. AndyTheGrump (talk) 07:38, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * To see the names of all the pages you've edited recently, you can click the "Contributions" link near the top right of every page. And, yes, you can have more than one sandbox. Just follow the steps at WP:USERSUBPAGE. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:39, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Page view statistics
Do the numbers in "Page view statistics" include access counts from various WP bots, or only hits from actual users? ~E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 08:28, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

can we add a picture to our account profile??
Can we add personal picture to our account profile? Any option that allows us to do it? Thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chanty911 (talk • contribs) 09:03, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm guessing that you mean your user page. (It is not really a "profile", though it may contain some of the same sort of information that you might find in a profile; but I am concerned by your use of the word "our": please be aware that sharing accounts is not permitted: see WP:ROLE.) You may add a picture, but it must follow the general conditions on copyright, i.e. it must be in the public domain or explicitly licensed under one of the CC licences. See Uploading images for information about copyright and using images. --ColinFine (talk) 11:06, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * It probably wouldn't be a bad idea for Wikipedia to eventually adopt "profiles". Some people like to volunteer similar information anyway on their userpages. Giving them what they want if it doesn't harm anyone else could only be beneficial to the project and improve interaction. Thanks ツ Jenova   20  (email) 11:24, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

is it just me?
but the front page has nothing but stuff about men on it

and i turn on the radio and all i hear is mens voices... mainly singing

and i just read about how the women during wwII who flew airplanes for america were not recognized until at least 40 years later... if at all... they certainly did not get benefits that men did after the war

yes surely that is it... just me reading old HIStory is skewing my perspective surely in this day and age women are getting a fair shake being recognized equally 50-50

50-50

or do you all still think women just dont pull 50% of the weight of the world? we certainly do not start 50% of the wars nor do we commit 50% of the violent crime and since we do not occupy 50% of the positions of power in the world we are not responsible for 50% of the international crimes against the planet, humanity and all living things...

but it must just be me

yes i am sure of it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.25.58.119 (talk) 12:36, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Find your sources and change things, but remember that the bias may not be ours. Britmax (talk) 13:15, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * See the box at top of Talk:Main Page for how to make suggestions for different parts of the main page, or contribute to existing discussions. If you want to create good content yourself then pick a notable woman who doesn't have an article yet, create the article and nominate it at Template talk:Did you know. We already have an article about Women Airforce Service Pilots. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Contents box template sought
Sirs,

On a Wiki entry I am trying to include a 'contents' box. Can you advise me where I might find a contents box template as I have seen them on many Wiki entries. Thanks. NowEddy

NowEddy (talk) 14:45, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * My guess is that you mean a table of contents. Those are created automatically, but you need to use proper headings in the article. I'll fix some to show you.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  14:53, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I fixed some, not all. You do not need paragraph close tags. Take a look at the code for other articles to see what is done.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  14:56, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. One last question, can you advise how I can upload a logo? Thanks. NowEddy — Preceding unsigned comment added by NowEddy (talk • contribs) 15:24, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * See Uploading images. A logo is generally used under fair use and must have a copyright tag indicating the original source, copyright owner, and justification for its use. Look at some pages for other corporate logos for examples. DES (talk) 15:30, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * For example, see File:Rccolauslogo.jpg DES (talk) 15:37, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

how to upload information about my company on wikipedia
how to upload information about my company on wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drshahoo5 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ideally, you don't. If it is your company, you have a clear conflict of interest. You really should wait until someone else chooses to write about your company. But if you simply can't wait, then:
 * Make sure that the company is notable. This means that independent, reliable sources have made published comments about it in some depth. Not blogs, not press releases, not directory listings.
 * Openly declare your affiliation with the company on your user page.
 * Read Your first article, referencing for beginners, and Neutral point of view.
 * Go to Articles for creation and use the article wizard there. Your draft, once you think it is ready and submit it, will be reviewed by a volunteer, This may take 3-4 weeks. If the draft does not establish notability, or is written in marketing-speech or with a promotional tone, or otherwise seems not to be neutral or if it does not support its statements by references it will be rejected and you will be advised what problems were found so you can try again.
 * I hope this helps. DES (talk) 15:10, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Unwanted sandboxes
I have about 50 unwanted, unused "sandboxes' that I would like to remove/purge/discard. If I just blank them, the titles will still remain which is a waste. How do I move them to the trash-pile of unwanted "stuff"? ```Buster Seven   Talk  16:57, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * If you are the only person who has edited those pages, you can tag them for deletion by adding the code db-author to each one. Failing that, if they are subpages of your user page or user talk page, you can tag them with db-user. If neither of those applies, see Deletion policy or post the links here for advice. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:04, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you John. Once again the help desk comes thru. ```Buster Seven   Talk  17:12, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note that "deletion" of a page on Wikipedia makes it inaccessible to most users, but does not actually remove the page content from the wiki database. Deletion does not save any server space, indeed it costs a little extra space to log the deletion. DES (talk) 20:04, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Panchthar
Panchthar is not the headquarters of Panchthar District in the Mechi Zone of northern Nepal. See Panchthar District & Phidim. What's to do? --Frze > talk  17:00, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * However that article Panchthar says it is. Whereas the article Panchthar District does not even mention its existence, or show it on its map. My guess is that the article Panchthar was created in error, and should be deleted. Maproom (talk) 18:38, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Joey Covington
Joey Covington, who was involved with the Jefferson Airplane and Jefferson Starship, had three children. First was Tracy Cole, then our son Jordan Iversen (he changed his last name),and Nick White Covington. Jordan had the paternity test, and Joey payed child support for Jordan. Joey was never married during his life time. These are the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.62.184.44 (talk) 18:09, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It would be better to discuss this at Talk:Joey Covington, but I'll say that ordinarily our policies would require reputable published sources containing that information in order for it to be included in the article. Looie496 (talk) 18:21, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * It would require reputable published sources and a consensus that this was appropriate information to go in an encyclopaedia article. --ColinFine (talk) 23:20, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Controversy at BYU Honor Code page
Hello, The community has been trying to improve the BYU Honor Code page. We have been trying to bring attention to the value based language that describes certain lifestyles and behaviors as "appropriate", "indecent", "inappropriate", and "clean" when it should be quoted verbatim or the language should be more neutral. We've also been trying to add a section that deals, in only stating facts, with the controversy surrounding ecclesiastical endorsements (Conflict with Official Doctrine section). However, the resident groundskeeper, ChristensenMJ, just reverts all edits as "opinions". Is there any way to report this person or otherwise restrict edits? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by PonderosaPineapple (talk • contribs) 18:54, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * WP:Dispute resolution.--ukexpat (talk) 19:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * You should post at Talk:Brigham Young University Honor Code, discussing the edits you ahve made or wish to make, and discuss the matter with and any other interested editors. I would hope you can all reach an amicable consensus. Failing that dispute resolution processes are available.
 * By the way, you say "The community has been trying...", is there more than one person editing from the account? if so, see WP:ROLE. DES (talk) 19:44, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Only me from this account. But others have been trying to get that section to stick...to no avail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PonderosaPineapple (talk • contribs) 19:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Then definitely start with the talk page, and see where discussion goes. DES (talk) 20:02, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Refferenes for Synopsis
Hello,

I am editing a page for a book which had the references needed tag. For the synopsis section of the page should I reference the book itself? Or seek out secondary sources to reference which summarize the book?

Thank you,

Richardccramer (talk) 19:04, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Richardccramer, for a published book, the book itself is sufficient reference for a purely factual plot summary or synopsis. But any interpretation, criticism or opinion, including and discussion of symbolism or metaphor, requires a secondary source, which ought to be cited. Otherwise it is original research. DES (talk) 19:46, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Single purpose accounts
Hello, these two accounts User talk:Anonymous 2108 & User talk:Veerangana are repeatedly trying to edit, remove certain information and add a particular point of view [about this article]. I doubt, if they are working for their niche interest, since the name of one of the users matches with one of the charity events organized by the person whose article is being discussed. What can be done? Thanks in advance Msec109 (talk) 19:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * THe fist thing to do is discuss the matter, calmly, at Talk:K. D. Singh (politician). Try to build a general consensus for what changes should be made to the article. Remember to assume good faith and not to make personal attacks on other editors, and preserve civility. If that does not work, try Dispute resolution. DES (talk) 19:51, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Reliable sources?
Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cwardell#Proposed_deletion_of_Leo_Madigan How can I not be upset and offended if you delete the work that I do as a volunteer? --Cwardell (talk) 20:42, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Cwardell, it's understandable that you're upset, no one likes to see their work up for deletion. What you need to do to save that article is add reliable, independent sources like newspapers or magazines that show that the subject of the article is notable.  Take a look at WP:IRS for more info on what good sources are, and this page is a good place to go to learn how to format citations and references.  Howicus (Did I mess up?) 20:56, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, don't want write a thesis about sources ..... I just want to provide the requited data. When I click on the WIKIPEDIA REFERENCE SEARCH on this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Madigan I get plenty of hits. Isn't that enough? --Cwardell (talk) 21:10, 26 November 2013 (UTC) Is it enough if I make a heading "Leo Madigan iBooks in iTunes" and provide the https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/leo-madigan/id479895265?mt=11 link? This shows up on the above search so I assume it must be a valid reference. Is that sufficient? --Cwardell (talk) 21:21, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, no it isn't. I just did some searching on this topic. I added a cite to Madigan's home page. That may be enough to avoid the BLP deletion, but it is not enough to establish notability. I only found books by Madigan himself, publisher's and bookseller's blurbs about those books, and social media, mostly by Madigan himself. None of those are independent of Madigan. What you need is a newspaper or magazine story that discusses Madigan in some detail, or a passage in a published book by someone else that does the same thing. Or some other independent reliable source. If you find such a source post the information on Talk:Leo Madigan. Another editor will be happy to help you format it correctly.
 * At the moment it looks to me as if Madigan is not notable in the Wikipedia sense. But perhaps he is. If he is not, we will not have an article about him, no matter how it is written. DES (talk) 21:22, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I have added a list of Prizes and Awards. Is that appropriate in this format and does it help? Can I list a a YouTube video of an interview www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT0Xz1ZGHt8‎ ? I have a scan of a long article about Leo Madigan that was published in the May 2013 edition of "Catholic Life". How do I reference this if it's not online? Thanks. --Cwardell (talk) 14:38, 27 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Offline sources are fine. Look here to see how to create a footnote for such a source:
 * Help:Referencing for beginners.
 * An article about Madigan in a national publication like Catholic Life is a very good start to demonstrating notability. A YouTube video interview, on the other hand, is useful for a citation only if the interview was conducted by a news organization. (If, for example, you did an interview of a friend who plays in a local band, and posted that to YouTube, that would - obviously, I hope - not establish your friend as being notable enough for a Wikipedia article.) Prizes and awards are not, by themselves, indication of notability - in Wikipedia, notability means books and newspaper and magazine articles that discuss, in some depth, a particular subject. (It's fine to add prize and award information to the article - with footnotes showing where the information came from, please - but that's a content issue, not a notability issue - content is about expanding an article, notability is about whether the article should even exist.) -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:34, 29 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your advice and guidance. --Cwardell (talk) 18:11, 29 November 2013 (UTC)