Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 November 6

= November 6 =

Pretty simple questions
1. In creating a pdf book, how to I save it in process under my Wiki log in? 2. Moving content in a book before pdf. I cannot move subject content with the hand you show in help. Any suggestions to what I am doing wrong? Thank you.

Warner8898 (talk) 00:11, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Help:Books & the FAQ might be of some help. -- Glaisher  [talk]  04:59, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

How do I split an article -- the easiest way possible?
Hello all,

I've been working on Dr. Seuss-related articles, and I noticed that The Cat in the Hat is in desperate need of a split. To my mind, there should be an article about the book, an article about the character, and an article for its sequel, The Cat in the Hat Comes Back. Then maybe a disambiguation page for those three, plus the movie and the TV special.

My question to you is: How do I go about doing all this? I'm afraid the information at WP:SPLIT wasn't of much use to me. I found it way too technical and confusing. It also seems a little overly complex.

Also, should you have doubts about the need for this split, I did start a discussion about it on the article's talk page. This was over two weeks ago and no one's replied, so I feel confident to go ahead with it -- if I can just figure out how! Thanks in advance. Bobnorwal (talk) 02:13, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure it's long enough to warrant a split...but I won't officially comment on that. Basically, just create a new page, cut from the current article, and paste to the new article. You must attribute the content form the split with an edit summary of "split content from article name". C T F 8 3 !  02:28, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * We're one step closer, but to be perfectly clear, how do I create a new page? It's been awhile, and I want to make sure I'm doing it right. Bobnorwal (talk) 02:33, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Type in the name, and then hit "create the page" from the search results. If it already has a page that redirects, The Cat in the Hat Comes Back just edit it and add the content. C T F 8 3 !  02:35, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand the first half of what you said but not the part about the redirect. I just edit the section and then... somehow that creates a new page?? I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. Bobnorwal (talk) 02:39, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, now I see. I edit that page you linked to -- the redirect page, right? Bobnorwal (talk) 02:42, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Correct! Again, make sure to source the page you spliut the content from, that's very important. C T F 8 3 !  02:45, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I've done it! Thanks for your help. Bobnorwal (talk) 04:56, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

How much can CU know about an IP address?
Is it just no more accurate than putting the IP into some IP lookup website? --chao xian de lun zi (talk) 02:51, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Without saying too much, it doesn't look at just the IP address. — Jeremy  v^_^v  Bori! 03:00, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

See http://www.mybrowserinfo.com/detail.asp for what kinds of information your browser reveals — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.26.212.2 (talk) 03:20, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * So the CUs don't got more information than beyond those websites can suggest? i.e. They cannot locate IPs beyond the ISP level?--chao xian de lun zi (talk) 06:28, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * As Jeske said, we generally don't say what CU reveals, due to the possibility that people may then use that info abusively. -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  11:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * So that leaves us solely to the decision of CUers of what is likely, possible and unlikely?--chao xian de lun zi (talk) 14:08, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * If you have a reason to believe that a checkuser has abused his/her authority, including misstatements of findings, you have several ways to ask that the checkuser's actions be reviewed: CheckUser. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 04:21, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I originally meant how much reasonable conclusion can be based on information CUers have. For example, how to prove 2 IPs are connected (CU can be faked, or blurred by using 2 computers)? I guess the most accurate method CUers would use is just plugging them in a free IP-checking website. Of course if you want to know more, you can count IP usages from a region to see if the range is narrow enough, but I think is not possible for the sake of privacy.--chao xian de lun zi (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:12, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Watchlist dots
What do the blue and green dots on my watchlist mean? C T F 8 3 ! 03:03, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Green bullets indicate the page has been updated since the last time you visited it. Blue indicates there's been no further changes since the last time. — Jeremy  v^_^v  Bori! 03:07, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! C T F 8 3 !  03:11, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Image Licensing
I want to use a picture that is already on Wikipedia in my article about Olympic Taekwondo. The size of the image was too big so I saved the picture and minimized it. Now I uploaded it again. The Image Is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.5 Generic license. On the upload page though there is only a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 license. What should I choose? Is there another way to minimize the picture without having to upload it again? thx Nelelemke (talk) 05:52, 6 November 2013 (UTC) Added a title Rojomoke (talk) 06:30, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, if the image is too big, you can use filename to make it smaller. the 100 you can change according to need. The thumb gives a frame to the image. Sincerly, Taketa (talk) 06:44, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * What image are you referring to? -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  11:09, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

redirect problem
In the "Nana Mouskouri" article, the song title "Je Chante Avec Toi, Liberté" goes to a "no such article" page. The correct page has no comma (Je Chante Avec Toi Liberté). I put a redirect on the article page, but it doesn't seem to be working.

- I copied a redirect link,. I see a different one specified here. At this point I don't want to go back in and mess with it. - Does the "no such article" page have to be turned into a Redirect page? - If someone could just go in and fix it, I would be very grateful. Zipzip50 (talk) 06:55, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Zipzip50, I created a redirect. See . To make a redirect, make a new page with the text: #REDIRECT articlename . Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 07:03, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the rescue, Taketa. I really appreciate the rapid response! Zipzip50 (talk) 07:26, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Another, perhaps easier, solution would have been to correct the link, to this: Je Chante Avec Toi, Liberté, by writing Je Chante Avec Toi, Liberté . Maproom (talk) 09:29, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm confused about what you were doing with the piped link in your reply, Maproom. Did you perhaps intend to say "... to correct the link, to this: Je Chante Avec Toi, Liberté, by writing Je Chante Avec Toi, Liberté ." ? - David Biddulph (talk) 11:51, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, David, that is exactly what I meant to do. Thank you for spotting it. Maproom (talk) 13:24, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Maproom - Thanks for your input. I considered trying to do that but figured that way would only solve this one instance of the problem, doing nothing for the next person who used the comma. Not something to get tangled into in the middle of the night if one doesn't know what one is doing!  Really great to be surrounded by caring, helpful people. Zipzip50 (talk) 21:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Changing table background color
How do I change the background color of the table in the Bikini in popular culture article? Aditya (talk • contribs) 07:32, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Have you read Help:Table? - David Biddulph (talk) 14:38, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Although, I don't know why you'd want to change it. It looks like the standard Wikipedia colour scheme to me, which probably shouldn't be meddled with. --Viennese Waltz 14:50, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * True, unless there is a good reason for changing it. The guidance is at WP:MOSTABLE. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:55, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

The proper place to list a merge proposal
I just tagged Fortune Global 500 and List of largest companies by revenue for merger. However, I don't want to perform this merger myself. Proposed mergers says I should not list a merge proposal at Proposed mergers if I don't want to perform the merger myself. Is there some other page where I could list this where someone other than myself will perform the merger if there is a consensus to do so? --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  12:13, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Best place to ask is usually the talk pages of both. If far "yes" answers don't much outnumber "no" answers, chances are small anywhere else. Jim.henderson (talk) 21:46, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The merge templates on both articles redirect to the merge discussion on one of the talk pages. I will just let it run its course then. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  13:20, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Is that a hoax editing?
in Banditry--chao xian de lun zi (talk) 14:12, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Certainly unsourced, so I have removed it. Thank you for pointing it out. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:18, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Mobile Templates
Hello, Where are the templates in the current wikipedia mobile version? In its newest version they seem to be missing. 'Mobile' templates were a great feature of the mobile wikipedia experience.

Regards, Rhw — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.187.100.105 (talk) 14:32, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Templates do appear on mobile (in my experience...) Maintenance templates etc. appear under the heading "this page has some issues...." Looking at this page in mobile view, all the templates appear fine. Have I misunderstood you? -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  15:03, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Page move
How to move all the sub-pages (300+) of a template? Admins can only move up to 100 with a single click. undefined — Bill william compton  Talk   14:43, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * What template needs moving with 300+ subpages? -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  14:57, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hindi Wikipedia version of . undefined — Bill william compton  Talk   15:08, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I easiest way I believe it can be done is to repeatedly move the template back and forth, and only move subpages when it is moved to the new title. This seems complex, but is simpler than moving 200+ pages manually.... -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  15:17, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mdann52, but I'm not quite sure what are you suggesting. Let's assume Template:A is required to be moved at Template:B; there are 300 sub-templates of A like Template:A/1, Template:A/2,...Template:A/300. When I move Template:A to new title Template:B, I can choose to move Template:A/1 to Template:B/1, but MediaWiki software only allows this for first 100 sub-templates. What do you suggest here? undefined — Bill william compton  Talk   15:51, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The suggestion is that you move A to B, and accept the option to moce sub-pages, moving the first 100. Then move B back to A, not moving any sub-pages. Then move A back to B, moving another 100 sub-pages along the way. Repeat until task finised. I'm not sure if this would work. Over at WP:VPT use of a bot was suggested, that seems like a good idea to me if one is available. Failing a bot, WP:AWB might be useful. DES (talk) 15:55, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Perfectly worked. Thanks Mdann52 and DESiegel! undefined — Bill william compton  Talk   19:02, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

copying from a website that I wrote
Hello, I work for Ruby Cup and have written the content on the ruby-cup.com website. I got a notification that I wouldn't be able to use the same exact information on wikipedia.. but given that I am the author, is there a way around this?

Thank you!

Julia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubycup (talk • contribs) 14:51, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably not. Looking at the article, it is not in an appropriate tone, and doesn't show why it is Notable, as it doesn't have any sources. Also, the site says the material is copyrighted, so if you really want to use it on an article, see WP:DCM. -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  15:00, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Also note that you should not really edit or create articles on subjects or products which you have some association, it is called a conflict of interest and we have another page about that at WP:COI on the same theme your name is the same name as the product which is something else wikipedia doesnt like. MilborneOne (talk) 15:02, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * There is a way around the "copyright" part of the issue. On the webpage where the content is located, provide an acceptable free use copyright licence. see Donating copyrighted materials. However, because of the promotional nature of the text, we still wouldn't use it. And as a non-independent source it would not address the issues of meeting the notability standards for having a stand alone article -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  15:59, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * There is some source information on Ruby Cup available. Most of it is promotional. There could be independent coverage in Kenya newspapers that do not appear on line. Julia, if you know of independent sources, post a request at Requested articles to have someone develop a Wikipedia article on the topic. -- Jreferee (talk) 16:25, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Artist "Will Brooks" page has disappeared
An artist I represent, Will Brooks, has had his page removed. It seems that it was up for deletion but I was not notified. Also, it seems as soon as it was deleted, an MMA fighter of the same name but not the same notoriety has replaced the page. This is maddening.

Can someone assist? I edited and updated this page frequently and now it is gone even from my contributions history.

Please help! -Travis Ware — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbrianware (talk • contribs) 17:40, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I can't help with the article (only admins can view deleted pages), but meanwhile you should read the Conflict of interest policy if you represent Brooks. And with regard to your comment about paid editing in your earlier deleted post, you should be aware that Wikipedia generally looks down on contributors editing for payment. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:58, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I've located what appears to be the relevant deletion discussion: . It appears that the necessary evidence from third-party published reliable sources that Brooks met the relevant notability guidelines could not be found. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:20, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I found the discussion as well, but was never notified that it was even up for discussion. We were working on this page to update it.  I'm his domestic partner and I update the information for him whenever new items come up.  He is notable in Houston and Louisiana, having donated thousands of dollars to charities there, started a scholarship, and also been displayed globally.  We just slacked on updating his page with citations and such.  Our fault totally, but odd that a page I "watched" never notified me.  Should I just resubmit the page with the updated information?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbrianware (talk • contribs) 18:34, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * You have a conflict of interest so you are strongly discouraged from creating this article. You can request the article at WP:RA or if you really do want to create it yourself, please use the WP:AFC process, so that the draft can be reviewed before being moved to the main space.--ukexpat (talk) 19:31, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I am looking for the thesaurus to find synonyms for words.
I just want to look for synonyms for particular words in the Thesaurus, and can't seem to get to the correct site. Can you help me? Heidi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.254.56.169 (talk) 18:56, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * That's Wiktionary.--ukexpat (talk) 19:28, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I know it's important to eat our own dog food but a Google search for "thesaurus" would find a number of resources including Wiktionary and Thesaurus.com. Dismas |(talk) 19:38, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Copy of a deleted article
Hello, I am interested in recreating the Xinlisupreme article (it was deleted as per A7 of the deletion criteria) and would like to know if it would be possible to receive a copy of the page prior to its deletion so that my attempt to recreate it (while establishing notability this time) is easier for me. Thanks. felt _   friend  19:51, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I have restored it as User:Felt friend/Xinlisupreme. Please do not remove the userspace draft tag until you are ready to move it back to article space. I strongly advise you to ask some uninvolved experienced editor to review it when you think it is ready, or to go through an WP:AFC review. DES (talk) 20:13, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! felt  _   friend  20:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

creating a wikipedia page on my company
How do I create a wiki page of my company?

thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CasewiseUG (talk • contribs) 19:58, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Short answer: we would rather you didn't.


 * Long answer: You have a conflict of interest so you are strongly discouraged from creating this article. You can request the article at WP:RA or if you really do want to create it yourself, please use the WP:AFC process, so that the draft can be reviewed before being moved to the main space.--ukexpat (talk) 20:04, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * (great minds think alike) Ideally you don't. Please read our conflict of interest guideline. You have a clear conflict of interest here. You could request an article at requested articles. You should also check out our guideline for notability of companies and our general notability guideline. In general notability is the biggest issue with articles on companies, especially small and new ones. The other huge issue is self-promotion and advertising. If having read all that, and also having read Your First Article you want to go ahead, please use articles for creation and openly disclose your affiliation with the company. DES (talk) 20:06, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

UW-Madison
Hi. I am writing from the Communications Department at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. One of the logos on the UW-Madison Wikipedia page is outdated. We have an account but are still unable to change the image. How can I obtain the rights to editing the page, considering the page is a representation of our University and information copy-written under our name? If that is not possible who can change the logo for us? We are happy to provide legal credentials. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by University of Wisconsin (talk • contribs) 20:30, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * First, your user name is a clear breach of the user name policy, so please create a new account that represents you as in individual; then you can make a request at WP:FFU for the file to be uploaded; last, before you edit the article further, please read WP:COI.--ukexpat (talk) 20:43, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I updated the file in wikicommons so it is now correct but echo the issues expressped by ukexpat above. XFEM Skier (talk) 21:04, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

footnotes/reference - possible deletion - NOOOOO
Hello

I created the wikipedia page for Grant Fleming (UK photo and music journalist) which is being considered for deletion. I want to insert this reference/or footnote   http://www.amazon.co.uk/Primal-Scream-Higher-Than-Sun/dp/009186321X I have used the citation,  but it keeps coming back as error. I am having great difficulty. Where am I going wrong? Help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Jennifer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rollsroll3 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * You need to add inline references into the body of the text, and then add where you want the reference listing to go - see Help:Referencing for beginners for more info. Note that you will need to find better references than an amazon listing to demonstrate that Fleming meets our notability criteria. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:38, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I have added the reference section to hold the references. Also note that references do not have to be on line; paper books that you have read are just fine. If you do use paper sources, there is no need to include a link to a listing for the source on Amazon or the like. As suggested by AndyTheGrump, if the only thing you read were Amazon listings for books about Fleming, that would not be sufficient to create an article about him. Jc3s5h (talk) 20:42, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * You have been trying to put the reference in the footnotes section. While it appears there, the information is actually in the article body. Read Referencing for beginners. (actually it is possible to use list-directed references to put most of the citation information in the notes section, but you still have to indicate in the article body which citation goes where. And that may be more complex for a start.) However, an Amazon reference (or other reference to a commercial vendor) is frowned upon, and will not help at all to establish notability. Please find an independent, published, reliable source instead, or better yet more than one. Also read WP:MUSIC. DES (talk) 20:44, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Amazon links, in addition to being forbidden spamlinks to a giant predatory corporate website, are also links to a notoriously unreliable source. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  20:57, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Jennifer: It is quite possible that you aren't really going wrong. There are various technical issues, which can be overcome, as detailed in the helpful answers above. But your real problem is that Grant Fleming is (as far as I can tell) not notable, in Wikipedia's terms. This is not your fault. Maproom (talk) 21:17, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

UW-Madison again
Hi. I work for University Marketing and Communications at the University of Wisconsin in Madison. I need to update a logo on the UW-Madison page (University of Wisconsin–Madison) - the current one is very outdated. I am happy to prove my identity. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UCdickinson (talk • contribs) 21:10, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * See the section above. DES (talk) 21:15, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

The Ambivalent Love Addict by Susan Peabody
This link will take you to a Wikipedia article about love addiction which cites me as the creator of the term, The Ambivalent Love Addict. I appreciate this as it is true. I own the copyright despite plagarism by 5 Sisters Ranch and other websites. But when I tried to write a longer description of the term in an article of the same name, it was rejected three times and I was accused of plagarism. My username is susanpeabody490. Can you be more specific as to what I can due to get the larger definition accepted. Thank you.

The term was created in 2004 in an article I wrote entitled, "Typical Kinds of Love Addicts." I have proof.

Love addiction — Preceding unsigned comment added by Susanpeabody490 (talk • contribs) 21:20, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * You can't copyright a term; and it's hard to trademark a term unless you're using it in commerce. I'm afraid you're out of luck, since the most you could do is assert that you were the first to use the phrase. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:25, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia's WP:COIN and WP:AE as sources of information
Is there any problem in using quotes from a user on WP:COIN or quoting a decision to ban a user as a result of a discussion on WP:AE ?רסטיניאק (talk) 22:35, 6 November 2013 (UTC)רסטיניאק
 * Nope, you can use anything, on any page, as long as you reference it. C T F 8 3 !  00:15, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Using it where? AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:48, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * What's that matter? C T F 8 3 !  01:09, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, possibly. While using primary sources is allowed under some circumstances, if the information is really worth including in a Wikipedia article, then secondary sources should have covered it.  If secondary sources have failed to cover it, then that's a good sign that the information isn't worth including. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:34, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? How does that answer their question? What is a primary or secondary source for someone's quote on a WP discussion page. C T F 8 3 !  01:38, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Using internal wikipedia links for article content is probably not appropriate for any number of reasons from WP:OR to WP:UNDUE to WP:OUTING to WP:RS. In most instances you will need to find a published source that talks about the on-wiki activity. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  01:51, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, maybe the user should clarify...I was thinking they meant can they use something someone said at COIN for say an RfA. C T F 8 3 !  02:16, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, sorry for not being clear..what I meant is to write a section in a WP article about an organization that would reference WP:COIN and WP:AE discussions that are highly relevant to that article. The quote is from a central figure in that organization, who was asked about his relation to that ORG in WP:COIN and concealed the facts, subsequently was taken to WP:AE and banned indefinitely following a discussion. WP:NEWSORG suggests not to use WP articles as a "circular" source which is not reliable. But I can not see anything unreliable in using WP:COIN and WP:AE which are not articles. Is there a clear cut policy about it ?רסטיניאק (talk) 05:14, 7 November 2013 (UTC)רסטיניאק
 * I think the question would then become one of notability of the event (WP:Notability). I think a good reference might be seen here on how it was handled Jim_Wales. Although that may be more relevant due to his relationship with Wikipedia. Although, I think this might be a better discussion for the talk page of the article. XFEM Skier (talk) 06:14, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

WP:Notability is solely about whether or not a topic is notable enough to have its own Wikipedia article. It is not relevant to whether specific material is appropriate to be included within an article. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:22, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * the policy in effect would be WP:UNDUE - giving inappropriate column inches to an incident of negligible importance to the subject.
 * the other aspect that comes into play is WP:SUBJECT --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  02:33, 8 November 2013 (UTC)