Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 October 24

= October 24 =

Interaction ban
How does one go about requesting an interaction ban between themselves and another user? No guesses or assumptions please. Would appreciate reply from an admin or senior editor with actual policies or guidance. Thanks -  thewolfchild   02:16, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Answers here usually come from editors that are somewhat experienced with Wikipedia, I don't understand what types of answers you're specifically trying to avoid. I suggest you post on WP:ANB, where admins are far more likely to lurk. Scarce2 (talk) 03:09, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I assume input from those without the necessary 24,000 edits, automated or otherwise, is also welcome? Guidance on how bans are discussed and implemented is at WP:CBAN and the paragraph immediately above it.  Community bans may be requested either at WP:AN or WP:ANI, depending on the previous history.  Here, for example, is an archived community ban request discussion from ANI, and here's one that was discussed at AN.  This talk page thread directly addresses the question of selecting which of the two venues to post such a request.  Hope this helps. -  Ka renjc (talk) 10:45, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * All bans are "imposed by community consensus, by the Arbitration Committee or, in certain topic areas, by administrators". Although briefly discussed at WP:IBAN, formal requests for interaction bans are made at AN or ANI, ensuring that one provides appropriate proof as to why it needs to be a 2-way ban, in lieu of 1-way. Note the exceptions to IBAN's reach, as per the WP:BAN page as a whole  ES  &#38;L  21:44, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Citing Personal Correspondence?
Can personal correspondence, such as letters of recommendation, be cited on Wikipedia if an image of it has been scanned and uploaded to the internet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BryantL90 (talk • contribs) 03:05, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Generally no, see WP:OR. Scarce2 (talk) 03:13, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The letter would need to have been published by a reliable source, not simply posted to an arbitrary web page. Basically the letter should be published in a mainstream news source, magazine, journal or a book from a reputable publisher. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:18, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Multiple Personal Sandboxes?
Hi,

New to editing wikipedia. I want to work on multiple projects at a time, all the while making the changes in my sandbox. Is it possible to have multiple sandboxes, each displaying a different article that I've worked on?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaidis11 (talk • contribs) 04:10, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You can make as many subpages of your username as you like, using the structure User:Zaidis11/Whatever you want the page to be named. They will all be visible as links at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/User:Zaidis11/ . Here is a list of my subpages for instance: link. - Purplewowies (talk) 04:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * However, I would advise against using a sandbox for editing existing articles (they're fine for developing new articles). When you copy your edited text back you risk inadvertently throwing away anybody else's change, or else have a difficult task to merge your changes and theirs. And it can also cause difficulty in attributions, which Wikipedia regards as important. Better, usually, to work on the live article, but do it bit by bit if possible, rather than a huge single change. --ColinFine (talk) 14:02, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Hateful Content on a Page
Hello,

I just noticed that someone posted hateful information on the Junipero Serra High School (Gardena CA) page. The content is totally false and inappropriate. Please remove this listing until someone from the school can provide factual information.

Thank You,

Tony Oreabean Serra Alumni 1993 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.117.238.192 (talk) 04:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Done. Rwessel (talk) 05:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * "Somebody from the school" is welcome to suggest factual improvements to the article on its talk page, but they are strongly discouraged from editing the article itself because of their conflict of interest. - Ka renjc (talk) 10:12, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sometimes an editor requests that an article be "taken down" or "removed" because it has been vandalized. That is not the way that Wikipedia works.  Since anyone can edit Wikipedia, vandalism can be reverted.  There is an occasional myth among inexperienced editors that an article that "contains hateful information" or "contains errors" should be "taken down" by the "person in charge" until it can be fixed.  Fix it, or ask someone to fix it on the talk page.  Robert McClenon (talk) 11:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * As the IP committing the vandalism geolocates to Pico Rivera - about 15 miles from the school - this is probably inter-school rivalry, or a disaffected pupil. Arjayay (talk) 14:35, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * And it's partly my fault for my not-quite correct comment after removing the vandalism. I did vaguely see the "taken down" request when I saw the initial posting, but by the time I got done fixing it, I had lost that bit and I tossed a generic "done" in here.  At least "vandalism removed" would be been clearer.  Rwessel (talk) 06:25, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Edits for the page on the Economy of Cyprus
Dear Sir/Madam,

I am Anita Orphanidou and the Marketing Communications Officer of the Cyprus Investment Promotion Agency. It has come to our attention that the following page Economy of Cyprus features the following text:

The 2012–13 Cypriot financial crisis, part of the wider Eurozone crisis, has dominated the country's economic affairs in recent times. In March 2013, the Cypriot government reached an agreement with its Eurogroup partners to split the country's second biggest bank, the Cyprus Popular Bank (also known as Laiki Bank), into a "bad" bank which would be wound down over time and a "good" bank which would be absorbed by the larger Bank of Cyprus. In return for a €10 billion bailout from the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund, the Cypriot government would be required to impose a significant haircut on uninsured deposits, a '''large proportion of which were held by wealthy Russians who used Cyprus as a tax haven. Insured deposits of €100,000 or less would not be affected'''

We would like to note that Cyprus is not a tax heaven destination but rather an EU country with a strong business and financial center. Plus, the haircut affected more than wealthy Russians.

We kindly ask you to relook at the text and revise if possible.

Thank you and let me know if you have questions. I can be reached at: XXX

Regards,

Anita Orphanidou — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.7.194.26 (talk) 05:59, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I've removed your email address for your privacy. As the tax haven assertion was not explicitly made by the quoted sources, I've deleted it.  Rojomoke (talk) 06:26, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * And I have restored it, with a reference. Further references can easily be found. Maproom (talk) 07:43, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * To clarify, for Anita Orphanidou: if reliable sources say something, and the consensus among Wikipedia editors is that the matter is important enough to appear in an article) then it will appear in the article, whether the subject would like it to be there or not. You are welcome to suggest changes to the article on its talk page, Talk:Economy of Cyprus, but it is up to other editors to decide how far your suggestions should be incorporated into the article. --ColinFine (talk) 14:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Linguistic issues
Where can I address linguistic issues? I am not sure if a phrase is correctly formulated in English language and I need a confirmation. Thanks in advance for the answer 79.117.173.188 (talk) 07:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You could try the Reference desk/Language. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:38, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot 79.117.173.188 (talk) 07:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Quote request
Can you please tell me how much time has to pass before removing a text followed by and unanswered "Request quotation" template. I assume that we can't wait forever for a quote to be given 79.117.173.188 (talk) 07:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Have you tried to source it?
 * If the content violates WP:BLP immediate removal is ALWAYS appropriate.
 * Otherwise, how busy is the page and how potentially valid is the uncited statement? If the page is busy with many active editors and yet no one has addressed the tag, a month would be long enough, ( and if the content was meaningful, one of them would be able to notice the removal and provide a source to restore the content). Although it would be better form to post a note on the talk page about your concerns and wait a few additional days.
 * On low activity articles waiting 6-9 months is generally considered appropriate grace period.
 * The more trivial, off topic, WP:NPOV violating or unlikely to be true the unsourced statement is, the less time you need to wait.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  11:33, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The template in question is the one from the lead of Kingdom of Hungary 79.117.161.193 (talk) 12:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * oh, that is very different. Where a full source citation has been made and what you are requesting is merely a courtesy translation, then it should stay. WP:NOENG we dont require sources to be in English. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:36, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, per WP:LEADCITE, the lead section of non-controversial subjects is less likely to be challenged and less likely to require a source since leads are usually written at a greater level of generality than the body. If the "Kingdom of Hungary was ... at various points ... regarded as one of the cultural centers of Europe" helps define the topic and/or summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight, then [when?] and [need quotation to verify] requests should be removed from the lead of Kingdom of Hungary. If it does not help define the topic and/or summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight, then the text itself should not be in the lead and its removal should be discuss on the article talk page. Either way, I think the the [when?] and [need quotation to verify] requests should be removed from the article lead and, if needed, posted in the article body. -- Jreferee (talk) 15:42, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that a quote is not necessary? How do we know that the text from the source is not denaturated?
 * That idea is not expanded in the article. The only reference is the one existing in the lead. Consequently, I think we can talk about undue weight 79.117.168.27 (talk) 15:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

What is Talk?
Can you explain the meaning and usage of function Talk in Wikipedia? Sincerely, Mirek — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.250.187.186 (talk) 12:11, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Every article has an associated Talk page where the editors can collaborate to improve the content of that article. For the article Dog, it is Talk:Dog. see WP:TPG for how a talk page is to be used.--  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:40, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikilinks
Is there a guide about when to use them? I found at Kingdom_of_Hungary links to Matthias Corvinus article in the "Main articles" template, in the paragraph and in photo descriptions (total: 3 times). Isn't 1 time enough? 79.117.161.193 (talk) 12:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:REPEATLINK notes "Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead." -- Jreferee (talk) 13:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Heading
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 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:26, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Organization Chart
What is the process/format for creating an organization chart in Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.3.138.234 (talk) 12:35, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * There's Graphs and charts and Family trees (I'm assuming that the text in the Family trees can be revised to reflect an organization). I think it depends on how you want the organization chart to appear. -- Jreferee (talk) 12:59, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The Scouting project uses chart for history where a number of entities have merged. See Bay-Lakes Council for example. --  Gadget850talk 18:23, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Copyright
Dear Sir,

Myself Vishnu Ghimire and regarding the  contents which I wrote about Tara Ghimire.

The site http://www.pranathashram.org/ belongs to Tara Ghimire and I am the web admin for same. The content about Tara Ghimire is written entirely by myself and no copyrights has been violated.

The link for the content is: http://www.pranathashram.org/about/staff/tara-gurumaa

Please see below link about web admin: http://www.pranathashram.org/about/staff-directory

Thank you.

--Ghimirevishnu (talk) 13:06, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You did not state a request. However, Wikipedia articles typically are footnoted summaries of Wikipedia reliable sources (think newspapers, magazines, books, etc.) that are independent of the topic. The information on Tara Ghimire is not footnoted. Also, if the information at tara-gurumaa is a summary of your personal knowledge of her and/or a summary of sources that were published by Tara Ghimire, the Prannath Ashram, or someone else who is not independent of the Tara Ghimire topic, then it may not be viable information for a Wikipedia article on Tara Ghimire. Also see Articles for deletion/Tara Ghimire. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:25, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * There also is a problem with how her name is presented. The pranathashram.org website shows her name as Tara Gurumaa, Tara Guruma, Tara Ghimire, and Guruaama Tara Ghimire. This makes it very difficult for Wikipedia editors to find independent source information on her from which to write the biography. I looked for independent information on Prannath Ashram, Prannath Anath Sewa Ashram, Shree Prannath Anath Sewa Ashram, and Shree Prannath Anath Sewa Ashram - Devghat, but did not find any. Again, without knowing what name the media uses to write about the orphanage for children who have lost their parents, it is very difficult to find source information on the topic. Also, if the source material is not in English, it will be hard for English Wikipedia editors to find the information. You may want to ask editors at Nepal Bhasa Wikipedia to help you develop Wikipedia articles on Tara Gurumaa and the orphanage and that Nepal Bhasa Wikipedia then can be brought into English Wikipedia via a request at Translation. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:00, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * First off, text copied from another source is highly unlikely to conform to Wikipedia's policies. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and as such it is required that the text be neutral (dispassionate) and formal in tone. Text from a self-published source tends to be non-neutral and promotional. Thus even if it is your own text, it is still unacceptable. Wikipedia is not a PR platform, a brochure, or a means to gain publicity.


 * Secondly, like Jreferee said, we need the sources to be reliable. Especially for a biography of a living person. As such, while primary sources (sources published by the subject or people closely related to the subject) are acceptable in certain uncontroversial cases, we do still need secondary sources (sources independent of the subject) to confirm that her account is true and most importantly to confirm that she is notable enough to deserve a page in Wikipedia. If you can not prove notability, I'm afraid the page will be deleted.-- O BSIDIAN  †  S OUL  13:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * An additional point is that even if the material previously published on another website were sufficiently neutral to be used, it couldn't be used without the copyright problem being addressed through the processes for donating copyrighted material; it isn't enough for you to state here that no copyright has been violated. There are links to that process, & other useful links, on Tara ghimire. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Article star rating feedback system where is it ?
For about 2 years up to about last January we had a useful star rating feedback system at the bottom of every article. Since about January it has vanished. I understand that in theory it is to be replaced by a better feedback system but there is no sign of this and anyway i cant see any excuse for having nothing for about the last 9 months, the old system although imperfect was useful. --Penbat (talk) 15:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * See Article Feedback Tool, which links to this RfC, which noted on 28 February 2013, "No to full roll-out but there is a large enough minority to support continued experimentation if the foundation wants to do that." -- Jreferee (talk) 15:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I'm glad it's gone. All we need is another toy for goofy kids to play with. You know, you can't be sure whether people are expressing their true opinion, if they even have one, when they rate an article. Good riddance, I say. Kelisi (talk) 16:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

The correct Bulembu description
Hi

Can you please assist on searching of "Bulembu". The description is not complete your only naming a town but not explaining what/who is "Bulembu".

Im the grandchild of the "bulembu" clan.One of my ancestors ended up in swaziland in the mines that is why they have a town that is called Bulembu.

Can you please assist me by telling me where can i submiitt the correct descrioption what/who is "bulembu" cause we are born with certain gifts that you passed on to your children.We are not just called "bulembu" we are Bulembu for a reason, "bulembu is the gift.

I need assistance where can i submitt the correct description.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thobeka Bulembu (talk • contribs) 16:26, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You should post on Talk:Bulembu. It would be very helpful if you can cite a published reliable source that confirms your statements. DES (talk) 17:15, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I looked but could not find where the town name Bulembu came from. I posted the question at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. -- Jreferee (talk) 04:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)


 * This seems unlikely. Bulembu means "spider web" according to our article, and there is no evidence of it having another meaning.  I haven't studied Swati, but the same word (ubulembu) exists in the very closely Zulu, where it means spider web, and there's no word for gift that seems similar.  It sounds like someone deciding "the spider web clan" is unglamourous, and creating a nicer backstory. Keep in mind I cannot, however, prove a negative. μηδείς (talk) 21:48, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Copyright question
While footling about on the internet I came across. I'm here interested the lower left image. Because I very recently found, which seems to be the same image. Point is, the latter website says that rights to the image belong to Airbus: surely if the image has been previously published before a certain date this image is in the public domain?? (the website has a number of images which are described as rights expired)TheLongTone (talk) 16:33, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * For items published in the US by US nationals the date is 1923. For items published elsewhere the rules vary by country. One would need to know who took the photo or who employed the photographer to be able to determine its copyright status. But there are many invalid copyright claims to old images and text on the web. DES (talk) 16:45, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Published in the UK. The photo was taken by for the Bristol & Colonial Aircraft Company, and rights have ended up with Airbus. I've misunderstood the PD-1923 tag, I took it to mean that if the image had been made freely available in the US, ie including publications originating outside the US but likely to have been available there, as would have been the case with Flight. The second website is operated by a local government body, so is unlikely to be trying to pull a fast one.TheLongTone (talk) 16:58, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The UK uses a "Life of the author plus 70 years" standard, but I don't know their standard on "works made fore hire" that is where the creator (photographer here) was an employee acting within the job, and so the company is considered the "author" for copyright purposes. The US has a 99 year term for such cases for current works, but did not apply this retroactively. The UK, like many other countries, but unlike the US, retroactively extended or restored copyright when they amended their law to adopt the Life+ terms. Under the Uruguay Round Agreements Act the US honors such adjustments and extends copyright to items that were free in the US but not in their source countries on January 1, 1996 as if they had not fallen into the public domain. It does not simply adopt the other country's term, but applies a modified US term. This can apply to works published in the US where one of the authors was a non-US national.
 * It isn't so much places "trying to pull a fast one" as people being careless with the rather complex rules about copyright, although dishonest claims do occur. DES (talk) 17:13, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

>Bad interwiki links
The en:WP article Horbach, Bad Kreuznach is mislinked to the de:WP article "Horbach (Pfalz)", when it should be linked to the de:WP article "Horbach (bei Simmertal)". It is apparently a confusion of two places not too far from each other named Horbach. The facility at WikiData won't let me make the adjustment. Can someone tell me how I avoid the error message "An error occurred while trying to perform save and because of this, your changes could not be completed.", or make the adjustment for me? Thanks. Kelisi (talk) 16:38, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem seems to be that Wikidata has two pages—Q1023864 and Q705187—for the same place. The links at Q1023864 (a page which also has the wrong coordinates) need to be merged to Q705187, and then Q1023864 needs to be deleted. I'm not familiar enough with the procedures at Wikidata to do that myself; hopefully, someone will come along here who is. Deor (talk) 19:40, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The issue seems to be that the de version of the article is in fact already linked to a Q705187, and it can't be linked to more than one place. The WikiData entry on which the en version is listed needs to be merged with 705187, so I've gone ahead and done that. drewmunn talk 19:44, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

New formatting of "IP editors"?
I'm returning to Wikipedia after a years-long layoff, and I've been seeing more and more anon accounts with a "name" like 2602:304:AAB5:659:8125:B46A:37E:57B5. Is this some new form of IP formatting (IPV6, maybe?) or a MAC address? The first time I saw one in an article history I thought some-one'd picked the worst username in history. --Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:17, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Its the format of the newer IPv6. Werieth (talk) 17:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Dang, it's ungainly, though. --Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that they are ungainly looking, much longer than IPv4 addresses.. Maybe the ugliness of IPv6 addresses could be an incentive to anonymous editors on networks that have upgraded to IPv6 to register.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:10, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe the software used to denote the IPv6 addresses. - Purplewowies (talk) 00:13, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

SOROTI UNIVERSITY
DEAR Wikipedia

this is to request you to update information on Soroti University. Please see the official website at www.sun.ac.ug

James Gregory Okello academic Registrar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.202.240.2 (talk) 18:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I would advise you to post on Talk:Soroti University with specific changes or corrections that should be made, and specific sources for them. Independent reliable sources would be nice, but for uncontroversial facts primary sources are OK. DES (talk) 18:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I added some information to the article. -- Jreferee (talk) 04:48, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Creating an article 2
I'd like to write an original article for Wikipediai. I tried to make a few starts, but the instructions that I could find on the Wikipedia website seemed extremely complicated. Is it really that hard? Can someone explain the process to me? Mqodm2 (talk) 19:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Take a look at WP:YFA and consider using the articles for creation process.--ukexpat (talk) 19:25, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * It is somewhat involved, but if you want to get something posted to where others can improve on it:
 * 1. Gather all the independent reliable sources about your topic that you want to summarize into one article. Don't proceed until this step is done. Avoid websites and press releases for now. Try just using newspaper articles, magazine articles, and books to source your article.
 * 2. Create a Template:Citation for each source.
 * 3. This writing the body of the article step depends on the topic. If its a biography, basically summarize the sources chronologically. There is more to it, but that is a start. If it is some other type of article - corporation, product, movie, school, etc., you can check out a few Featured articles in that area to see how the articled may be structured. As you write each sentence, add one of the Template:Citation to the end of the sentence.
 * 4. Write the WP:LEAD of the article from what you wrote for the article body.
 * 5. Add things like an infobox, see also section, reference section, external links section, and categories.
 * 6. If you do the above, you should have enough of an article ready to post.
 * 7. Create the article talk page by adding appropriate WikiProject banners. You can get an idea of which ones to use from WikiProject banners posted on the talk pages of the links in the article you just wrote.
 * The only real way to figure this out is to just try it. Once you get a few articles under your belt, you have a general idea of what to do. If you have a particular topic in mind and would like some help, let me know. -- Jreferee (talk) 03:43, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It is not nearly as hard as ukexpat makes it seem. For instance, you don't need to know anything about templates. Maproom (talk) 07:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Where did I say that?--ukexpat (talk) 12:49, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

What does a proper sandbox look like
I am currently working on two articles in need of updating [] and [] but I'm worried that I do not know what the proper formatting of updating an article in my sandbox should look like. Could someone please help me out?

Natliout93 (talk) 19:13, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually you should never work in a sandbox if the article already exists. You need to edit the article directly. You can discuss your proposed edits on the article talk pages if you would like input from others before changing the "live" article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:24, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * The only exception I'd suggest to that is when an article is essentially being rewritten entirely. That way, other editors can be invited to contribute or discuss the new version, and the content can be moved (an actual page move rather than a cut-and-copy) to the target article when it's ready. drewmunn talk 19:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No, not even then - moving a new version over an old version loses the history and attribution of everything that existed before the move. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:36, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Good point, although I've always assumed it to be covered by "It is an article that has been created as a subpage of a Wikipedian's user or user talk space for development purposes and it is ready to be posted to the mainspace". How would you suggest rewrites are undertaken (I'm thinking those especially where there's not enough time in one day to make the content ready for inclusion, and not putting it somewhere would mean losing it)? I suppose an alternative would be offline (in TextEdit or the likes), but then it wouldn't be open to collaboration. drewmunn talk 19:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * If the rewrite is equivalent to a "delete and start over" then a sandbox may be used. A "draft" page is often used with the draft text being inserted into the actual article in a single edit. This is OK if there is only one editor who edits the draft but takes suggestions from others, or if the draft page is preserved for attribution (with a note on the talk page), or if a history merge is done. In a number of cases a draft page is used for convenience and no one worries about the loss of attribution for the detailed edits on the draft. Technically a copyvio, but if none of the editors of the draft care, it may not matter much. I've seen it done several times. DES (talk) 20:12, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheers, that clears things up. drewmunn talk 21:11, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Not showing up in category
I created a page about a Swedish architect and added it to the appropriate category for that, but it can't be seen in the list there. Shouldn't it be? I have tried to reload the page. Please answer at Category talk:Swedish architects. Boot Blues (talk) 19:37, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Now, that's strange. Now he is there! Boot Blues (talk) 19:38, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Display of category membership can run behind. DES (talk) 20:16, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

medication and low blood pressure
For several weeks I have had low blood pressure example 96/50 or less and am concerned the medication I am taking for mental health issues may be a possible reason for this. Need advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.159.119 (talk) 19:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not respond to requests for medical advice. Seek such advice from a medical professional. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:44, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Can this new category be created?
Kind of "Inductees of the Canada's Walk of Fame" or something like that. Someone of English-native language can give me a better grammar for such a category? Thank you. Japanesehelper (talk) 23:56, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * There is List of inductees of Canada's Walk of Fame. A category could be something like Category:Canada's Walk of Fame inductees similar to Category:Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees. However, List of stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame does not have an associated category, so there may be no need for a Category:Canada's Walk of Fame inductees. -- Jreferee (talk) 03:18, 25 October 2013 (UTC)