Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 September 2

= September 2 =

Question about mobile access
I have recently acquired an iPhone5 and was hoping to use the "voice over" function to have Wikipedia articles read aloud. However, this goal has proved much more challenging than I had anticipated. The root of the problem seems to lie in the fact that articles on the http://en.m.wikipedia.org/ site have their subsections collapsed by default. As a result, it is not possible to use "Select All" to enable continuous reading of an entire article.

It should be a simple matter to modify the software to add the option of not collapsing all sections of a specific article in the "main menu". Another, albeit considerably less convenient, method might be to allow the possibility of printing an article to a PDF, which could then be selected as a whole unit and read by the iPhone reader. However, I cannot find any printing option for articles on the http://en.m.wikipedia.org/ site.

Perhaps I am overlooking a simple way of selecting all of an article, in which case I would greatly appreciate someone telling me what the solution is. Alternatively, I would like to find out how to contact the team who writes the software for http://en.m.wikipedia.org/ in order to further explore these issues with them.

Many thanks, P999 (talk) 20:36, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Your other alternative is to select the main site instead of the mobile site.  Can your iPhone read that?  At the bottom of each mobile page is a "desktop" link.  RudolfRed (talk) 20:44, 1 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you, RudolfRed, for your reply to my query. I indeed have tried using the desktop version on my iPhone but, when I do so, the font size becomes microscopic. The only method I have found that works is to use my computer to send a link to the printable version of the article in question to my iPhone5.  Then I can open that link in my iPhone5 and select the entire article, and it will be read aloud.  Of course, the problem with this is that it requires me to be at my computer whenever I want to have a Wikipedia article read aloud ...  P999 (talk) 21:04, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Have you checked if any mobile apps like Wikipanion support VoiceOver? -- Neil N   talk to me  00:40, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, NeilN, for bringing Wikipanion to my attention! Although it does not have a read-aloud function per se, it does make it possible -- and simple -- to select the text of an entire WP article which the iPhone5 is then able to read aloud using its "voice-over" feature. This solution works perfectly for me, but it would not work for a non-sighted person because it requires the user to 'manually' stretch the selection box to cover the complete article. I therefore plan to contact Robert Chin, the developer of Wikipanion, to inquire as to the possibility of his adding a "select all" function to his next update which would make this excellent app significantly more useful for people with vision impairments. P999 (talk) 15:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Carolina Panthers table problems
Hello. I'm reviewing Carolina Panthers for FA status, and as part of reviewing the article I decided to add some tables to the article (I gave the nominator enough to do as it is, so I figured I would take care of the tables myself). Anyway, I put the tables in the article, but the text comes right up next to one of them (Win-Loss Record of the Carolina Panthers), and that is both unsightly and makes the article more difficult to read. Is there any way to fix this problem? AmericanLemming (talk) 00:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * You can use margin, for example . See more at Help:Table. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:33, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, even after reading through Help:Table, I still don't understand what you did. But you did fix the problem, so thank you very much! AmericanLemming (talk) 01:11, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Litla Dimun, Faroe Islands
Hi... I'm new to Wikipedia, and would like to know how to add a photo to an article. I bought an old vintage photo at an antiques shop on Cape Cod, Massachusetts, and it's of the three masted schooner, the "Caspe". I was able to find only one article online about this vessel, and that was one of yours on Litla Dimun, the smallest of the 18 Faroe Islands. Your article lists a 1918 shipwreck off the uninhabited island, and names the vessel as the "Caspe". The vintage photo is of the ship in a port, and possibly the captain standing on board, so it's probably from the late 1890's to early 1900's, and obviously prior to the ship's wreckage. Would this be a good contribution to the information site? There is no marking on the photo that indicates it's a professional one, and appears to be more of a personal view of the ship. Dflymartin (talk) 00:57, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The practicalities of uploading an image and then placing it in an article are addressed at uploading images and Picture tutorial respectively. Image use policy  is a general overview.  The image sounds interesting but your  main difficulty will be to decide how to license it if and when you upload it, because you don't own the copyright and you don't know who took it and when.  Your best bet is to ask for help at Media copyright questions, where the helpers are experienced in just this kind of situation and will be able to advise you. -  Ka renjc 07:03, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Does a piped Wikilink notify users?
I know if someone is mentioned in a thread by username, they get a notification. But if I pipe it like User:Someone to drop the "User:" from showing up, does it still work? Somebody say my name, please. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:23, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it does notify: InedibleHulk. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:32, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Certainly did. Thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:59, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * On a similar note, are you notified of a link if you're part of a WikiProject that's mentioned somewhere? I received a notification that I'd been mentioned in this edit, but the only possible connection between the edit and me I can find is that I'm a member of WikiProject Film. drewmunn talk 10:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The edit transcluded all of WikiProject Film which has lots of userpage links. At the time you were linked in for starting the RfC at . PrimeHunter (talk) 10:53, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That clears that up, thanks! drewmunn talk 11:07, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Talk:The Bible and homosexuality
Help is clearly needed with regard to the long discussion at Talk:The Bible and homosexuality between two editors, the efforts of one of whom to provide a neutral wording are dismissed by the others in a form that the first considers to be insufficiently specific. Because one of the two believes I am personally hostile to her, I fear that any intervention by me to comment on the arguments of either or to propose a compromise formulation would be misinterpreted and would only add heat. But maybe someone else would be good enough to give the needed aid and guidance. I don't know where else to make this suggestion or request. The situation is not at the level of an "incident". Esoglou (talk) 07:58, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I would suggest a third opinion but that requires that the argument be between just two editors. It sounds like there are a total of three in your situation, though you're a bit hazy about that.  Your first sentence says "between two editors" but then you go on to say "one of the two believes I am".  So I guess that the argument is between two editors and you which would make three.  That confusion aside, the rest of the steps of Dispute resolution are laid out there if you need them.  I hope these links are helpful.  Also, it might help if you let us know what discussion you're referring to.  Your signature appears in more than one section there and a few the sections are lengthy.  Dismas |(talk) 08:15, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The current argument is between Roscelese and Lordvolton, and is getting a bit confrontational. Esoglou has not posted to the talk page since August 7th, when he was arguing with Roscelese; that argument remained civil. I see what is now happening as a two-person dispute, and I agree with Esoglou that he would not be a good person to intervene. Maproom (talk) 09:32, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't want to be even the person to ask directly for WP:3O regarding this disagreement between just two editors, but I hope someone else will help. Esoglou (talk) 09:51, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Citation neeeded tag
Hello! Can someone guide me me to correctly use this tag? I tried to add it to some affirmations with no source and some users revert me 79.117.184.212 (talk) 11:25, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It's best to be used sparingly, and only where the content is contestable. Ultimately, you should try to find a source rather than tagging it, but where you can't, yet there's no solid evidence that a source doesn't exist, then apply the tag. Don't put 20+ into one article, that's over-tagging. For instance, I recently used it in an article that stated "The BBC announced filming was finished" (paraphrase), and I couldn't find a source to back that up, but knew that it was due to finish. As such, I tagged it as cn and spent a bit longer looking for the source. drewmunn talk 11:31, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "contestable content"? I thought any unsourced material can be challenged. I was not able to find any source and I added the tags. What's wtong in that? 79.117.184.212 (talk) 11:37, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * There's some things that aren't contested, and are considered to be sufficiently covered elsewhere to not need a source. For instance, if content is covered in another article in depth (such as the use of tritium in nuclear fusion), then when it's mentioned in the tritium article as a use, it's not necessarily required to have a source. However, as I said above, the important thing is trying to find a source for anything that people may contest (most content in and article should be assumed to be contestable, but not in the lede), rather than applying the cn template and moving on. drewmunn talk 11:59, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Updating our company logo (Fiskars)
Hello All,

I am reaching out to you for help concerning updating our company logo on Wikipedia. Right now the logo is our old blue corporate logo but we are now using a grey logo.

Our Wikipedia page is: Fiskars

Our corporate website can be found here for logo verification: http://www.fiskarsgroup.com/media/image-bank

Thank you in advance for your help!

Best regards,

Robert Fiskars Corporation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.142.95.213 (talk) 11:42, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I've made this alteration. drewmunn talk 12:13, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your help!

BR,

Robert --194.142.95.213 (talk) 11:49, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Obama putting his leg on Resolute desk?
Hi, I saw this photo of Obama putting his leg on the oval office desk here. Is this the Resolute desk? 192.115.235.2 (talk) 12:12, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks like the Resolute Desk, it's in the same place as the Resolute Desk, and it's fulfilling the same role as the Resolute Desk, so I'm going to say it's the Resolute Desk. drewmunn talk 12:16, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Can I opt out of mandatory HTTPS?
Since a few days, Wikipedia has seemingly decided to redirect all logged-in users to HTTPS only (until recently, it used to be the case that Wikipedia was accessible over HTTP or HTTPS transports, but with no obligation to use the one or the other; non logged in users are apparently still permitted to view Wikipedia over HTTP). Now I would very much like to avoid HTTPS (for something that is in no way secret, confidential or even validated): is there some preference somewhere that I can change to opt out of it? At least for basic viewing of articles? (It doesn't bother me for HTTPS to kick in when I edit or do anything more sophisticated than just reading.) So far I do it by logging out all the time, but it's really a pain. Is there a simpler way? (PS: Maybe this isn't the right place to ask this, since it seems to be a decision made across all of the Wikimedia languages and projects. Where should I ask about it?  And where can I see the discussion which led to this decision?) --Gro-Tsen (talk) 12:22, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Under "Preferences", "User Profile" Uncheck the box "Always use a secure connection when logged in" Having this checked is now the default - or did I misunderstand your question? Arjayay (talk) 13:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * What you describe sounds like it should answer my problem, but it doesn't seem to have any effect. I unchecked the "Always use a secure connection when logged in" checkbox, logged out and then back in, and HTTPS is still forced upon me.  I'll try again in a few hours in case the effect is not immediate, but I doubt it.  Maybe this is because I have a unified (global) account throughout Wikimedia projects and this setting somehow needs to be parametrized for the global account? --Gro-Tsen (talk) 17:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Never mind, I solved my problem: there were also a couple of cookies with names like "enWikipediaForceHTTPS" (I don't remember the exact name because I deleted them). Removing them allowed me to go through HTTP once more.  --Gro-Tsen (talk) 17:54, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * For future ref, there's more at WP:VPT. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Keywords of science studies
Is it allowed to post briefly the keywords identified by a scientific study? (no full sentences) I would find it hard to "rewording keywords".Prokaryotes (talk) 13:33, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If they are appropriate for listing in the article for content purposes, you can enclose them in quotation marks and then cite to the source using an inline citation (as is required for all quotes under the verification policy).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:22, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, can you maybe have a look here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_climate_change_on_humans#Psychological_impacts the first sentence i wrote myself but the 3 lines below it are from the article. I state that these 3 following lines are from the study and it is referenced. Though i look here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Inline_citation which seems to inlcude ref tags, though do you still think a quote tag is required for this particular part? Writing it in 1 line would take away the readability. Prokaryotes (talk) 16:22, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * - I've rewritten the section; please take a look. In general, quotation marks are needed when you're trying to preserve something unique, and I don't think the categories that the two authors used are lengthy enough (wording) or unique enough to merit anything but a citation. And definitely we want to avoid the same citation three times in a row, for three sentence fragments. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:50, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

"Needs translation" tag
Is there a tag meaning "this article needs to be translated into English"? I would like to apply one to Frangipani family. Its first three paragraphs are acceptable, but after that it degenerates into what looks like machine-translated text, probably from the Italian Wikipedia article on the same subject. Maproom (talk) 16:29, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you may be looking for Not English. Monty  845  17:08, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Pages tagged with the Not English tag should also be added to Pages needing translation into English - in this case, in the Translated pages that could still use some cleanup section. But that article needs an awful lot more than just translation clean-up, it is really a mess. First problem, to which I can't find a solution, is that the interwiki links aren't working right. Click on the "Italiano" link from the English page and you are taken to a disambiguation page on it.wp; click on "English" from there, and you are taken to Frangipani (disambiguation); but click on "English" from it:Frangipane (famiglia) and it leads correctly back to the mess here. The Wikidata links appear to be correct, but obviously they aren't. Can anyone fix that? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:33, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, and I should have said, if there's no foreign-language text remaining, then Rough translation is the better tag. I've changed it on Frangipani family. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:58, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Faulty
I bought a multi pack of women's pants and a pair of them have been stitched all wrong and twisted and cannot even be worn. I was trying to find an address to send them to, could you help me please.

Thank you

Julie millar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.169.200.80 (talk) 16:25, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Adding Title and Author Name of My Peanut Butter Book to Wikipedia Article About Peanut Butter
I've written a book, "Creamy and Crunchy: An Informal History of Peanut Butter, the All-American Food." It was published in 2012 by Columbia University Press. It's the only general-interest book about peanut butter for adults. I'd like to add it to the "References" section of the Wikipedia article about peanut butter. How do I do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.216.250.53 (talk) 16:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You should not do it. You can go to the article's talk page, Talk:Peanut butter and start a section to discuss adding the book.  Other editors, without a conflict of interest, can then review the book and see if it is appropriate for the article.  GB fan 16:56, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Fifi Abdo
Fifi Abdo did not die yesterday as stated. She's not happy with you spreading the rumor. https://www.facebook.com/fifi.abdo.94/posts/3304930717746 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.1.170 (talk) 17:36, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * This unsourced addition has been removed. Thank you for your vigilance. drewmunn talk 18:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Forwarding link

 * Section header added by ColinFine (talk) 23:40, 2 September 2013 (UTC) <

I have a question. How can I forward an article I read on Wikipedia to another person? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthur C. Klein (talk • contribs) 19:00, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The general way is by copying the URL from the top of your browser to the email or other site (depending on how you want to forward it). There is a script you can install called sharebox which is said to make it easier, but I've never tried it: have a look at User:TheDJ/Sharebox. --ColinFine (talk) 23:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Just copying the URL works well. They can then edit anonymously, or log in and edit, or browse.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:03, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Miguel Angel Lotina article (in english)
To whom it may concern

I would like to inform you that there are some mistakes and significant omissions on the article about Miguel Angel Lotina (in english). The football manager, as any other, has had good and bad seasons. The article informs about all the bad seasons, but completely ignore many of the good seasons with significant achievement such as promotions to first divisions and qualifications for Europe League. Obviously this fact distortion greatly the career information of the manager and you can imagine what impression of the manager could get anyone reading it. I have tried unsuccessfully to edit the webpage myself, always being modified back by the system after some time. That is the reason I write you with the hope of getting it finally corrected. My comments are as follows. 1)	“Lotina's next years were spent in the second level, with CD Badajoz, Numancia and CA Osasuna, helping the latter return to the top flight in 2000” It is omitted that Lotina also promoted with Numancia to the first division in 1999, getting 2 promotions to first division in a row (Numancia in 1999 and Osasuna in 2000). I consider this a significant achievement to be included in his biography 2)	It is omitted that in 2005 he took RCD Espanyol to the fifth position on the League, being a great achievement again and qualifying the team for the UEFA CUP. 3)	“2006 brought Lotina his first football trophy, as RCD Espanyol won the domestic cup”. The name of the CUP is the King’s Cup, most prestigious trophy in Spain after La Liga. 4)	“In the 2002–03 season Lotina led Celta de Vigo to its first participation in the UEFA Champions League, after the Galicians finished fourth. In the following year, however, he was sacked after 21 rounds, with the club eventually being relegated”. Just before being sacked, Celta beat AC Milan in San Siro in an historic match getting qualified for the round of 16 of the Champions League. In addition, the team was not in a relegation position when he was sacked, important fact omitted in the article 5)	“After poor a start in 2009–10 he more often then not switched to a 5–3–2 formation, going on to finish the year comfortably placed in mid-table[3] but being relegated in the following campaign” This is a mistake. The following campaign(2010-2011) Deportivo was not relegated, but got a successful 7th place. The season after, again Deportivo got a successful 10th place. It was in his fourth season when Deportivo was really relegated. 6)	After his top level debuts with Logroñés in 1996–97, being one of five managers as the club finished in 22nd and last position. It is omitted that the team was not in any of the last 4 relegation position when Lotina was sacked. 7)	"In 2006–07 he returned to his native region after replacing sacked José Mari Bakero at the helm of Real Sociedad,[1] but the Basque were relegated from the first division for the first time in 40 years, after ranking second from bottom".It is omitted that the team was in the last position when Lotina arrived, important fact to assess the final position of the team.

I would really thank you if you could incorporate these amendements

Thank you

Mikel Lotina — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikelgotzon (talk • contribs) 19:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The best way to deal with this is for you to discuss the issues at the talk page of the article. I have copied the above paragraph there. Maproom (talk) 20:57, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

How to create online classroom progress chart
I teach English to second language learners, and I wanted to help them become autonomous learners. I like the idea of a classroom chart that has all the students names listed on one axis and on the other axis would be certain skills the students would need to master during a semester course. Usually this would be a big chart hanging on the wall in the classroom, but I don't have my own classroom and move around a lot, so how could I create this type of chart, and give access to my students so they could note their own progress in their various skills? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.61.41.163 (talk) 19:29, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * This isn't really with the scope of the Wikipedia project but they may be able to help you at the computer reference desk where they answer questions about computers. RJFJR (talk) 00:27, 3 September 2013 (UTC)


 * This is forum shopping and this has already been answered on WP:THQ. Please just ask in one place in the future . Thanks. Technical 13 (talk) 00:31, 3 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I disagree as to whether asking the same question in two or three places is forum shopping. Forum shopping refers to seeking consensus or dispute resolution in two or more places, such as WP:ANI, WP:AN, and WP:DR at the same time.  However, asking the same question in two or three places, such as WP:Help Desk, WP:THQ, and WP:VPP is a waste of time and should be avoided.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:07, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Please help me again
I'm sorry to be so annoying, but the Jeffrey Dahmer's article has been incredibly expanded and I added information whose title is "Lawsuit against his family" but it's only a sentence and since English is not my main language I don't know what to write as title to separate that sentence from "Upon learning..." can anybody give me ideas? Japanesehelper (talk) 22:03, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Someone removed your contribution.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:04, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't remove the contribution; I morphed it with other info. See my talk page. :) I'll be happy to address any suggestions Japanesehelper may have.--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:15, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I looked in the wrong place. Thanks.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:10, 6 September 2013 (UTC)