Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 September 30

= September 30 =

Page creation log?
It seems I can see what pages I've done anything to, as well as pages I've patrolled. It seems strange that there isn't a log that can show me the list of pages that I've created. Or is there one that I can't find? If there isn't one, is it an oversight, or is there a reason? —Largo Plazo (talk) 00:05, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It's at the bottom of your contributions. Dismas |(talk) 01:06, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks. Still, it's weird to have to go off-site for that. Also, it took over a minute to show just ten articles. Is that normal? —Largo Plazo (talk) 01:14, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It's difficult to say what is "normal" these days. The tool is now at WMFLabs, which is still in its infancy as a place where tools run (as opposed to the old toolserver); also, as you can see at WP:VPT, there have been a number of recent problems with slow(er) response time by WMF servers. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 06:12, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * A page creation log is a frequent request, for example at 10331 and other bugs listed there. I would also like it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:10, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Accessing image files from other Wikipedia languages
I'm editing the en. page on Pavel Batov. The ru. page on the same subject has an image I'd like to import to the en. page. The file in ru. is: Файл:Генерал П. И. Батов.jpg. I've tried replacing "Файл" with "File", but that doesn't work. Please advise. Wreck Smurfy (talk) 02:57, 30 September 2013 (UTC)Wreck Smurfy
 * You can only use files that have been uploaded to the English Wikipedia or to commons. RudolfRed (talk) 04:08, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. In this case, we can assume that the image is fair to use, since it is in use in ru.wikipedia. Is there any reason why I can't download it from ru., rename it and upload it to en., or to Commons? Wreck Smurfy (talk) 01:55, 1 October 2013 (UTC)Wreck Smurfy


 * Not necessarily. For example, English Wikipedia hosts images that meet its non-free content criteria but which are not free enough for Commons. It is possible that the image at Ru Wikipedia would meet the NFCC and if so, you would have to download the image from Ru Wikipedia and upload it here, with an appropriate non-free use rationale.--ukexpat (talk) 14:18, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Bolshoi spasiba, Ukexpat! I will do the download/upload thing (but not to Commons) and see how the chips fall.Wreck Smurfy (talk) 02:01, 5 October 2013 (UTC)Wreck Smurfy

Using Wikipedia as a source
Hi. Am I allowed to translate the articles that has been already posted on Wikipedia and then publish them on the web or in a magazine? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mojanmd (talk • contribs) 04:58, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, if you do it correctly. WP:CC-BY-SA explains the rules that you are required to follow. Looie496 (talk) 05:13, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Read the page WP:REUSE for guideance. RudolfRed (talk) 06:02, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Position where image is rendered
Looking at the source for the article Second Balkan War, in the section "First Balkan War", between its second and third paragraphs, there is the code for including a map showing "The Serbian-Bulgarian pre-war division of Macedonia". This is a sensible place for it, and is where it appears if I make my browser window quite narrow.

But if I use a reasonably wide browser window, this map appears some way down the section "Bulgarian plans for war", where it is no longer relevant to the context.

I would like to make the map appear where it is meant to appear, after the second paragraph of the section "First Balkan War". I don't understand why it does not do so. Can anyone help? I am asking here rather than in the article's talk page because the actual content of the article is irrelevant. Maproom (talk) 09:42, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * You are asking in the right place. I used Template:Stack in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Second_Balkan_War&diff=575118567&oldid=574788744] to stack the infobox and campaignbox. Does that look right in your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 09:59, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

The UTC clock gadget top right corner of screen
The option at preferences/gadgets/appearance second item down the list.

When UTC is 10:20 my teeny clock has 02:20. What gives? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * It gets the time from your computer. I guess you haven't set the time correctly there. You may have to change both the time and the time zone setting in your operating system. If both are them are wrong then the errors may cancel eachother out so you see the right time in your operating system and haven't noticed the error before, but it sends the wrong UTC time to your browser. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:46, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Or have you set a "Time offset" in the "Date and time" tab in Preferences? Arjayay (talk) 10:49, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The UTC clock gadget shouldn't depend on the preference. The whole point is to always show a UTC clock regardless of the preference. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:15, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Plus, when I change it to China, the watchlist times disagree with the talk page signatures. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:38, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I've noticed it doesn't seem to take DST into account, or at least does something strange with hours. It currently shows T - 1h for me (my system is set to BST, with the correct time, and no other applications or websites show this error). I note that in the preferences, the correct local time is shown, but the server time is the one that is displayed in the clock. drewmunn talk 10:55, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * UTC has no daylight saving. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:15, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Since UTC = GMT (for all practical purposes) then I would expect a UTC clock to show BST - 1 hr. Gandalf61 (talk) 11:19, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheers. It'd be nice if it showed the local time if that's been set, but I've learned to live with it, and it's not like my system clock's far away, and it's mostly there to provide me with a nice big purge button! drewmunn talk 11:22, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * , I have a version of it that does. You just need to disable the site's gadget and add the following to your common.js:
 * This will have the main clock use your local time, on mouse-over will show a popup with UTC and will still purge when clicked. :) Technical 13 (talk) 11:28, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You, sir, are a genius! I've put it in, and it's wonderful. drewmunn talk 11:37, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll second that. It works, by golly! Thank you T13!! :) :) :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:51, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait! I take that back. You're still a genius, but the clock doesn't display utc for me. It's still 8 hrs earlier than utc. I'm in China. Is that part of the problem? How can I fix this? Maybe I can just get a mini clock from a freeware site. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It gets UTC from your system... It uses, so I'm unsure why it isn't working correctly for you.  It should be your local time, there should be a little popup with UTC when you put your mouse on it, and clicking should purge.  What OS / browser / skin are you using?  Maybe I can replicate what you are seeing.  Oh, and what TZ is China? Technical 13 (talk) 13:42, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've created an instructions and about/info page for this gadget... User:Technical 13/Scripts/Gadget-LiveClock. Technical 13 (talk) 13:45, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. Just to let you know, it works exactly as expected (all functionality present) when using Vector in Chrome 29, Safari 6.1, and Safari for iOS 7 (although the tooltip doesn't appear in iOS, as these are not supported by the system). Hope that helps! drewmunn talk 13:56, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Le Méridien Penina Golf & Resort & Penina Golf and Resort - Change in property ownership
Pages: Penina Golf and Resort

Hello, Please note that as of October 1st 2013, the Penina Golf & Resort (Le Méridien Penina Golf & Resort) will longer be managed by Starwood Hotels Hotels & Resort under the Le Méridien Brand - The property will nemed Penina Golf Resort under the management of JJW Hotels Many thanks for your support.

Best regards, Kevin Cavaco

Marketing Manager - Portugal Starwood Hotels & Resorts

81.84.51.58 (talk) 11:00, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

An editor who deletes a "Citation needed" tag. Is he violating Wikipedia policy?
The diff page].

I have attached the "Citation needed" tag, since in my opinion this specific sentence is wrong. He deleted this tag without an explanation, and the wrong sentence stays the same.

It is not the first time for him to delete without any explanation.

Is it a matter of a TalkPage consensus only, or does he violate a Wikipedia policy? Ykantor (talk) 13:34, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It was an accidental revert. diff - Purplewowies (talk) 14:36, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Bradley_Kohn&oldid=575131359
Hello, can someone please get in touch as I am a bit on the dark at the moment to say the least. Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bradley Kohn (talk • contribs) 13:56, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure why you are referring to an old version of your AFC draft. It has been reviewed again since then (and I'm not sure why you tried to  the feedback from that review). The AFC is at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bradley Kohn.  If you are trying to write an article about yourself, the reasons for not doing so are at WP:Autobiography and WP:Conflict of interest. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:13, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi David. I must have tried to delete it by accident. I think the reason I was referring to an older draft is because I thought I'd lost the latest one. I am not trying to write an article about myself...I'm trying to set one up about Bradley Kohn. I have read the links you forwarded to me...can you please let me know in a bit more detail about what needs to be changed to get the article approved.

Below is what I believe to be the latest article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Bradley_Kohn

Thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bradley Kohn (talk • contribs) 14:37, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Please see the comments placed by the user who rejected it, User:JSFarman. S/he said, "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources" (in the pink box at the top) and "The references don't support the content of the article or his notability - they need to be non-trivial, independent, and about Bradley Kohn - not the projects he's worked on or the companies he's associated with". Furthermore, your username implies that you are Bradley Kohn or at least associated with him. —  Richard  BB  14:49, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Cincinnati Basketball roster mistake
On the page:

2013–14 Cincinnati Bearcats men's basketball team

for the University of Cincinnati Basketball roster it lists David Nyarsuk twice. The first time it appears it shows information, (i.e. height, weight, city etc.) for Kevin Johnson.

Please change this roster line name to Kevin Johnson.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.58.183.27 (talk) 15:56, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅--ukexpat (talk) 16:44, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

User Onewest
Please remove all slanderous comments unsigned by an author. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onewest (talk • contribs) 17:25, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I have looked at your contributions and have no idea what your are referring to. You made edits to Chuck Murphy that were reverted because it is a different Chuck Murphy. You user page is promotional and heavily implies that you work for Onewest Publishing, which means there is a problem with your user name— I will address that on your talk page. --   Gadget850talk 17:36, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I think the OP was talking about his user talk page. Simple vandalism which the user can revert. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:39, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Username issues
I inadvertently misspelled my username: it should be scrltspdstr. Can you change it for me.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scrltspstr (talk • contribs) 18:22, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, the fastest solution is to retire your account by posting on your talk page, then signing up again with the correct user name.  Alternatively, you can follow the instructions here.  It may take a few days to make the switch. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:41, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Anita Bryant
In your Anita Bryant article you never mention Conan Dunham's song "Tell Ol' Anita" It was written by a gay activist in the 70's. He opened for Melanie, Canned Heat and travelled on the Freedom Train from Ca. to D.C.  He has a hugh following in San Francisco still, but has retired, so of, in Tampa Fl.....web page www.conans-back.com.....you can listen to the song there.

Suzy Sizemore — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.65.96.253 (talk) 19:23, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Adding article link for convenience. Dismas |(talk) 20:16, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Adding article link for convenience. Dismas |(talk) 20:16, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * That's likely because we don't have an article for Conan Dunham. We don't normally list things by people who don't have an article since that may demonstrate that they aren't notable enough for an article and thus a mention either.  Dismas |(talk) 20:20, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Editing article source code
I used to be able to edit Wikipedia just by typing on the page like a word processor, but now when I press Edit it opens up a source code editor, which is a nightmare. How do I get back the old functionality? 96.224.67.162 (talk) 19:55, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If you create an account, there is a preference option to disable the VisualEditor. I don't know of any ways for IP accounts to get around it.  RudolfRed (talk) 20:25, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The VisualEditor beta version has been changed from an opt-out to an opt-in because of the number of outstanding problems, and it is not available to unregistered users. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:34, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Category:Articles to be split from September 2013
How come Template:Clothing nor its talk page can't be seen in Category:Articles to be split from September 2013? I added it days ago and I have tried to update the category, but it's still not there. Snowsuit Wearer (talk&#124;contribs) 20:18, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That's because Split-apart has been coded that way; it only puts the page into a category when the page is in the article namespace. It's a side-effect of the DMCA template it uses to set the categories. That could be changed, but then the category names would be wrong: "Articles to be split..." -- John of Reading (talk) 20:41, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * So I used the wrong split template? What template should I use? Snowsuit Wearer (talk&#124;contribs) 21:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is one; the editors who designed these templates didn't allow for the merging and splitting of large navboxes. As a workaround, I've [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Clothing&diff=prev&oldid=575254459 added] the category to Template:Clothing. There may be some good reason that I shouldn't have done that, but we'll see... -- John of Reading (talk) 07:00, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Snowsuit Wearer (talk&#124;contribs) 19:23, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

How do I get post removed that has my town where I live?
How do I get my name removed from a post that is on here? I do not want it on here, it contains the town where I live and I want that kept private, did not have permission to post this. I want it taken off of here — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmy2469 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know the circumstances but if you don't want to discuss it in public then you can try Requests for oversight. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:15, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * We will need to know what page you are referring to before we can help you. I'm not sure oversight is the best option, as if it's in reliable sources they're unlikely to remove it, much less apply oversight. ~ Charmlet -talk- 23:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If this information is in an article about you, or an article that mentions you, you can remove it yourself uncontroversially per WP:BLPEDIT, using an edit summary like "remove unsourced BLP", provided it does not cite a previously published reliable source. If the information has been taken from a primary source, like a public record, rather than a reliable secondary source in the public domain, then you can remove it per the same policy as "poorly sourced BLP". If the information is private and has never been public, and you don't want to discuss the current problem in public, follow PrimeHunter's advice. Other suggestions are at WP:BIOSELF.  If the info is very well sourced, it may be more difficult to justify its removal. - Ka renjc (talk) 08:16, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Gregory Baum
In the Wikipedia article on me, Gregory Baum, it says at the end :" Baum left the priesthood through automatic excommunication when he married without dispensation from his vow of celibacy in 1976." I don't know whether this true, I have never investigated my legal status in the Catholic Church.The reference given in the article is no longer valid. This uncertain information about me should not be in your article. Please, delete this sentence. I am Gregory Baum, professor emeritus of McGill University. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.176.41.143 (talk) 23:46, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I have removed it per your request. Be aware that if someone can find a Reliable Source for the information, they are free to restore it. Monty  845  23:54, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Such as this one from Newsweek 1978. "Last November, Baum, 55, went ahead and married a former nun — thereby incurring automatic excommunication." (according to Google search snippet.) Just sayin'. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:03, 1 October 2013 (UTC)