Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 September 6

= September 6 =

Mobile view section header collapse hides end text (that should be visible all the time)
Hi! I didn't know how to look up this problem; sorry if a dupe. In the mobile view of Oocyte, for example,the template succession box, which is at the end of the article text, is hidden by the last (collapsed) section. The succession box rightly should always be visible. Is there a way to make it always visible? Or, is there a way to "break out" of the sections? Thanks. Saintrain (talk) 00:30, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * It looks like this is the sort of question you'd be better off posting at WP:VPT, where the more technical people hang out. If you don't get any answer there, let me know - there are also a couple of (even more specialized, but less visited) pages I can suggest where template experts hang out. -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 20:59, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Saintrain (talk) 13:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Linking to a Wikitionary page from a disambiguation page
A disambiguation page (Itis) already has a link (on the right side of the page) that suggests searching Wikitionary. However, it seems to me that this should be more prominently listed in the disambiguation bullet list for this page. Is there a rule that applies to this? Thanks, Thunder Wolf (talk) 01:16, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The Manual of Style for disambiguation pages is at WP:MOSDAB. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  02:18, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanking for an edit without Javascript.
Hello again.

I thought I'd been thanking some editors for their edits with the button in edit histories. But now I've clicked one with Javascript enabled and noticed a confirmation message. Leads me to assume those poor editors were doing thankless work after all. Without Javascript, the page seemed to refresh, but now I see it was just moving my screen to the top.

Confirm or deny? Thank you (in text) in advance. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:31, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Sadly, Special:Log/InedibleHulk shows that only today's "thanks" has worked. The developers are planning to hide the "thanks" link when Javascript is disabled. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:29, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't forget that you can always thank the editors personally on their talk pages! &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 23:01, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Meh, too much work. But I'll be sure to turn on the JS and give you both a high five. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:58, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Meh, too much work. But I'll be sure to turn on the JS and give you both a high five. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:58, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Some Allen B. West (politician) info missing and/or biased
I'm not sure how to edit a Wikipedia page, but would encourage you to consider that some info regarding Allen West (politician) at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_West_%28politician%29 is grossly incomplete and politically biased against him.

Please consider the section titled: "Iraq interrogation incident." I followed the course of this incident from the day it made the news and am still in contact with LTC West and his attorney Neal Puckett. An article I put together for the Washington Times spells it all out pretty clearly: http://www.yankeeairpirate.com/colwest/WashTimes.html

I guess my question would be, is Wikipedia a free enough, and brave enough, venue to expose the truth about that "Iraq interrogation incident?"

Most of what is included to describe that incident is drawn from articles published in the NY Times by ideological detractors of Allen West.

Your opinion, please, on whether the relevant info that is missing in the Wikipedia account of that incident should be included. Permission to copy, cite and/or paraphrase the content of my "Hatchet Job" article is hereby granted in advance. JihadiWhacker (talk) 04:57, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The section you complain of is supported by New York Times and CNN articles. Wikipedia regards these as "reliable secondary sources". The web page you cite is unpublished, and so is not a citable source for Wikipedia (of course this will change if the Washington Times publishes your report).
 * Wikipedia is run by volunteer editors. We are considered (rightly, in my view) capable of judging whether a secondary source supports a claim, but not of judging the actual truth behind the reports. So the answer to your question must be "no". Maproom (talk) 06:34, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * We are not here to "expose the truth" anyway. There are plenty of blogs you can use for that. Britmax (talk) 07:28, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * An unpublished opinion piece you "put together for the Washington Times" is just that: your opinion. It sounds like you may have come down with a case of The Truth™, and are now having problems with our policies on reliable sourcing, neutral point of view, and conflict of interest. I can't help but point out also that while almost nobody considers the Washington Times as reliable a source as the New York Times or CNN, they do have editorial standards for the news reportage they run. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  12:56, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Adding self owned images
Hi I am trying to write an article on a wildlife project that we as a team were working on. Now, the images that I am using are my own images. I am still confused as to how I can use them with all these copyright questions that Wiki asks...They haven't been used in any other articles on Wiki before. This is really taking time for me. Kindly help. Thanks.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MSGNP (talk • contribs) 05:10, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Two questions:
 * Did you take the photographs yourself?
 * Are you willing to release the copyright of them, so that they can be used on Wikipedia, and other people can copy them, and make commercial use of them?
 * If both answers are "yes", it is relatively simple to upload them (though not as simple as it ought to be). I, or another editor, can try to guide you through the process. Maproom (talk) 06:19, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Debit card payday loans
Commercially the song performed well charting within the top twenty in the UK charts and within the top three of the UK R&B charts, the song also charted in Australia, Ireland and Scotland. "Work" has sold almost 200,000 units in the UK.[2]

The song's accompanying music video, shot by American director Jonas & François, tells a story of the Iggy growing up in a trailer park. The inspiration for the video came from "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, Tarantino's Death Proof and the music video for Outkast's "B.O.B."". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.73.129 (talk) 07:24, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Is this question about a Wikipedia article? If it is, which one?  Incidentally, Scotland is still part of the UK. Maproom (talk) 08:57, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "Work (Iggy Azalea song)" is the article, but it's not clear what is being asked.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:24, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

new article
hey guys, i wrote a article, called "hengstler (company". could someone check it for me and give me his opinion about it? greetings from germany --Elisabeth.Kunz (talk) 07:26, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * That would be this article Britmax (talk) 07:33, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The article contained a lot of guff unnecessary verbiage, which I have removed. It has no acceptable references, and provides no evidence of its subject's notability. Maproom (talk) 07:57, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * As there was no evidence of notability, the article has been redirected to Danaher Corporation.--ukexpat (talk) 13:17, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Which feature do i blame?
What's going on today? The edit window text is bigger and takes almost a second to appear after i type? Is Wikimedia playing around again and how do i disable this? It makes my editing slower, reading edits slower, and is laggy and annoying. It's seriously annoying to be added onto a new beta feature on a monthly basis without being asked first. Thanks ツ Jenova   20  (email) 08:19, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * If this is still going on, I recommend that you post at WP:VPT, where the technical folks tend to hang out. And if you do post there, do mention your OS and the browser version you're using. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:54, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * See below, " Editing window font" also. It changed between Thursday and Friday on my work computer running XP. I don't know why or if it affects my Win7 laptop yet. Thanks ツ Jenova   20  (email) 10:59, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

using email id same time from different places
Sir, Is it possible in normal case to access an email from different places at same time if the password is given to the the user?. Is it possible multiple users for an emai? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.88.253.66 (talk) 09:26, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * This page is for questions about using and editing Wikipedia. You might find somebody who can answer you at the computing section of the reference desk. But I will tell you that it is going to be hard for anybody to give you a definitive answer without more detail. In general, I believe the answer is yes, but it may depend on what technology you use to access your email. --ColinFine (talk) 09:46, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * ...And which email provider ツ Jenova   20  (email) 10:11, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

section off/on topic and relevance
I have edited couple of conflict articles and its my impression that sometimes they tend to get out of hand, specifically the reaction section and background section. Is there a guideline to determine what counts background/reaction? Because I am tiered of reading dozens of articles that relate/mention the article topic, but some early/incomplete reportage of some early incident, that only seem to serve to imply something rather than provide background. Similarly, in the reaction section, it seem to have grown from reaction to the event, to reaction to others reactions, for which we even have pools.

I mean what is considered relevant and how much emphasis everything should be given in the context of those two sections?(which seems less defined than the main event)

P.s. how do leave a talkback message to someone? --PLNR (talk) 12:30, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "relevant" is considered present information, verifiable in reliable sources, which is still valid and current.

ps. To leave a talkback, either use the template when making the comment in question, or use talkback. Mdann52 (talk) 12:44, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, can you expand a bit on the "present information, which is still valid and current" part, it seems a little vague. --PLNR (talk) 15:05, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I think WP:UNDUE is a good place to start, regarding what should and should not be in an article. More generally, you will not find, in Wikipedia policies or guidelines, any specific rules such as "Background" sections should be no more than 10% of an article." It's just not possible to create such rules. Instead, content of articles is where Wikipedia uses (rough) consensus in making decisions. You might take a look at Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual/Collaborating with Other Editors/Resolving Content Disputes, particularly "Proper Weight and Balance" and "Look for Compromises", for some ideas on this. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:51, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Want to create a page for a upcoming celebrity
Hi my name is christina goodmon, my friend Ray e musicnation has 2 singles "all for you" "on me " he also has clothing line called " suga raye ", on the latest single " on me" it features a rapper/artist lauriel and he also, has done modeling catwalks many, and toured with wiz khalifa, he is a DJ as well for healing heart radio.. He has a college degree and is a self made man coming from streets chicago to being successful buisness man.. He is my idol as well as friend, he is passionate and hard working and a role model for people who are born into a life of poverty or diversity or just kids who might not be as lucky as others.. I just would like to start a wiki page for him please review and help me. Com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.224.107 (talk) 12:30, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Christina. Ray sounds like a fantastic fellow. When reliable sources like newspapers, magazines, books or major web publications realise his many fine qualities and write about him in detail, that would be the appropriate time to create a Wikipedia article about him, for example at Articles for Creation. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 12:39, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "Upcoming" means about to happen; I suspect you mean "up and coming". Please, please read WP:UPANDCOMING, as well as our guidelines on conflict of interest and neutral point of view. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  12:41, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

article about my company
Hello. I've been asked to write an article the company I work for, however, in reading the Wikipedia guidelines I see that I may not be eligible (as an employee in their PR Dept) to do so. First, is this true? And second, how can I get someone else to write an article about us? Thanks. - DC — Preceding unsigned comment added by Campbellwrite (talk • contribs) 13:59, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I've left some advice on your talk page. I assume that Campbell is the name of the company? If so, that's an additional problem. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  14:26, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Besides the comments that Mike left on your talk page, you might also want to peruse WP:CORP which are the notability standards that a business must meet in order to have an article here. Wikipedia is not a phone book or listing service.  As an encyclopedia, the article would have to explain why the company is notable.  Just existing is not enough.  Dismas |(talk) 14:35, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

wolf quest
como eu me cadastro no wolf quest eu quase consegui mas quando boto a conta não vai oque aconteceu pelomenos se não poder dizer me fale como se cadastrar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.233.116.130 (talk) 15:49, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * how do I sign in wolf quest but when I almost got the account button will not happen pelomenos What do if you can not tell me about how to join us.


 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.--ukexpat (talk) 15:56, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Format for new pages
I'm thinking about making a new page, but I don't know what the format is for a new page. Is there a page that says what format a page should be>? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deviljho12 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Take a look at articles on similar subject matter, WP:YFA and WP:LAYOUT.--ukexpat (talk) 15:54, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Sam Pepper
A while back a page was tried to be created for Sam Pepper. Since then his fame has grown. When you try to create his wiki page now it does not let you and redirects you back to the big brother wiki page. So could you change this so a wiki page could be created for him. He is famous now and has over 1 million subscribers on youtube. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.169.76 (talk) 16:33, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * But does he meet the Wikipedia requirements at Notability? Having youtube subscribers is not enough, being documented in reliable sources is needed.  RJFJR (talk) 18:33, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Help for a new article?
I'm making a new page, but I need some help. Is this the place to ask for it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deviljho12 (talk • contribs) 17:14, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, what's your question. Dismas |(talk) 17:43, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * (ec)Yes, you can ask here, but you may find Teahouse or Articles for creation more tailored to the specific help you need. If you have trouble there, feel free to come back here and ask questions. Welcome to Wikipedia. Gigs (talk) 17:46, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Request Help Updating Page Name and Logo
Hello. I am the Marketing Specialist for the page. Medical Design Excellence Award

The name of the competition is wrong: it should be Medical Design Excellence Awards (plural)

Also we have a new logo.

How can I update both of those. I see how to update the text in the body, but not the page name or the logo.

Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by MedTechJames (talk • contribs) 18:28, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I have moved the article to Medical Design Excellence Awards, but there are issues, the biggest of which is notability. I am not convinced by the sources cited that these awards meet Wikipedia's notability requirements.--ukexpat (talk) 18:45, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you. What are the notability requirements? What can I provide you to answer any questions? I am happy to provide anything needed. I never knew a Wikipedia page existed for us. I did not create it, and no one on my team did. I just came across it and would like to update.


 * The MDEA has been in existence since 1998. We are a well established brand in the MedTech Industry. This is me about half way done the page: http://www.canontradeshows.com/expo/awards/aboutus/ Please let me know whatever you need from me and I will be happy to provide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MedTechJames (talk • contribs) 23:15, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Since MDEA is a company, I would think that WP:CORP would cover the notability requirements for your business. There is also the general notability guideline if your company doesn't quite make it with CORP.  Dismas |(talk) 01:24, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Is it possible to find which editor introduced a specific sentence and/or a specific reference into an article ?
This could be a full or a partial sentence....and that sentence/partial sentence could be found in the current article/talk page or in an earlier revision Thanksרסטיניאק (talk) 19:34, 6 September 2013 (UTC)רסטיניאק
 * You can use WP:BLAME to find that. RudolfRed (talk) 19:43, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * A number of tools, including WikiBlame, at listed at WP:EIW. -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 20:27, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Is it permitted to insert a French language map in the English wikipedia?
Is it permitted to insert a French language map in the English wikipedia?

Unfortunately, in this case I have not found an English language map. In my opinion an English speaking reader will easily understand the map, and the map is important. I inserted the "Israeli controlled zones on June 1948" French language map, but it was deleted. The Diff page].

deletion reason:Map in French, not English.

Was it wrong to use the map? Ykantor (talk) 20:14, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Obviously, a map in English is to be preferred. But a map in French, if nothing else is available, may still be useful.


 * More generally, this is something that you should discuss directly with the editor who removed the map. He/she may have other reasons (map is wrong, map isn't that useful, assumed that map was in fact available in English, etc.). You might point out WP:NOENG, which allows non-English for sources, as an indication that English is not absolutely required in the English Wikipedia. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:38, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you John Broughton. As he routinely deletes my contributions, I trust him to find another excuse for deleting the map. Anyway, as advised here, I will ask the Map workshop if they may convert it to English. thanks. Ykantor (talk) 14:31, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * One solution would be to post a request for the Map Workshop to make an English version of the map. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:30, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you Dodger67. I will follow your advice. Ykantor (talk) 14:31, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Please be careful in editing in that area, because it is under WP:Discretionary sanctions, but if an editor is routinely deleting your contributions, you should discuss on the talk page, and if necessary you can request help at Arbitration Enforcement because of the discretionary sanctions. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:53, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you Robert McClenon. I still hope that he may stop his deletions, especially so since he follows me and probably reads your proposal as well. Ykantor (talk) 05:11, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I was right about him. He deleted it again (the Diff page) for the same reason("This map is in French") although I wrote that it is permitted to use a French language map (The Diff page). Ykantor (talk) 18:16, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Is he edit-warring with you over the map? Have you tried discussing on the article talk page?  If he is deleting without discussing on the talk page, then you have dispute resolution mechanisms such as WP:DR, WP:EWN, up to Arbitration Enforcement of the Discretionary Sanctions that apply to articles pertaining to Israeli-Arab conflicts.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:30, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you Robert McClenon. I will discuss it on the talk page. Ykantor (talk) 05:09, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

How could I look for articles by using more than single search term ?
Say, looking for universities that mention the number of students in the faculty of arts... Thanksרסטיניאק (talk) 20:05, 6 September 2013 (UTC)רסטיניאק


 * I don't think Wikipedia has a very versatile search function, but you can get a lot of mileage out of Special:Search (make sure you use the window in the middle of the screen, not the one in the upper right corner). There's also the " " parameter that might be helpful for searches involving defined categories like "Category:Universities and colleges" - more info on parameters like this can be found here. If none of this produces satisfactory results, you can always just use Google's " " parameter like so:
 * "university" AND "number of students" AND "faculty of arts" site:http://en.wikipedia.org
 * Hope that helps. -Thibbs (talk) 01:12, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Very helpful search example, but the "http://" portion of the url isn't needed. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 03:33, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Good point. Technically you don't need the "AND"s either. -Thibbs (talk) 18:47, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Editing window font
Since yesterday, the font used for editing is no longer Courier. It's very jarring. How can I change it back? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:55, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * It's discussed at Village pump (technical)/Archive 126. I guess you have changed your language away from the default "en - English" at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:31, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

The Barbarian (Wrestler)
The_Barbarian_(wrestler) The Barbarian was born on September 6th 1958. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.41.148.56 (talk) 21:26, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you know of a trustworthy source where that claim can be verified? If so, we could update the article. -Thibbs (talk) 23:52, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Michael Eklund - date of birth
Someone continues to add the year of birth to my clients page and it is inaccurate. Michael Eklund was NOT born in 1962. As an actor, ones age is very important and we do not want this misinformation on the Internet. I do not know how to stop this person from adding it although I have left messages that it is the wrong information. What do you suggest I do to stop this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by VelocityPR.ca (talk • contribs) 22:01, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't engage in an edit war. The issue should be discussed on the article's talk page.  RudolfRed (talk) 23:33, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, without a source for the date, it doesn't need to be discussed at all though I agree that something should be posted on the talk page if it's a continuing issue. Per WP:BLP, contentious info such as a birth date can be removed on sight if it doesn't have a reliable source to back it up.  Dismas |(talk) 01:20, 7 September 2013 (UTC)