Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 April 2

= April 2 =

When Guidelines Collide
If there is a disagreement about whether or not two guidelines conflict and an RfC is posted to resolve the conflict, it may very well be that the answer will be different depending on which talk page is chosen to post the RfC. If I suspect that is the case, where would be a good neutral place to post the RfC? There would, of course be identical RfC announcements posted to the talk pages of the policies in question. --Guy Macon (talk) 06:51, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Village pump (policy) maybe might be a good place. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  07:12, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Cost and price

 * I am guessing that this question does not belong with the one above, so I have taken the liberty of adding a new title --ColinFine (talk) 11:02, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

I am looking for the proper formulae for converting the 'cost' into 'price' for calculating the final value at a bidding stage. Further, I want to know that 'profit margin %' is applicable on 'contingency amount' or it is directly added in the price? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tootbatootqazi (talk • contribs) 09:52, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello, . It seems to me that you are not asking for help in editing Wikipedia (which is what this page is about), but a general knowledge question. If the articles Gross margin and Request for tender don't help, I suggest you post your question on the Wikipedia Reference Page - but I suggest giving a bit more context (I guessed which articles might be relevant, because I'm not clear on the context for your question). --ColinFine (talk) 11:02, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

why my edits have been deleted?
Hi there,

I'm contacting you because few days ago I edited the realtime ridesharing page (Real-time ridesharing) including the name of the company I'm working for: Funryde. I really don't understand why it has been rejected given the fact I put other references than Funryde's website. I would like to understand how it works. There are so many pages on wiki which have one single external reference such as this one : Tapjoy (all other external references are actually their own). They just talk about one company and no references outside their own website and social media presence.

As we're starting to spread across the UK,I found it legitimate to be on realtime ridesharing page. Additionally, Funryde is real peer-to-peer ridesharing as passengers are covered and drivers are not making extra money. They only offset their car expenses.

This is the reason why, I would like to gain a better understanding of how it works and what to do for the future.

Many thanks,

Best,

Astrid — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tridou (talk • contribs) 10:04, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * First of all, you have a clear conflict of interest, so you should not be editing this article and related articles - please use the talk pages of those articles to request changes (see WP:COI). Second, your edits were promotional in nature - Wikipedia is not another advertising outlet or web presence for your company, see WP:SPAM.--ukexpat (talk) 15:07, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * And Other stuff exists is never accepted as a good argument on Wikipedia (though it might be a reason for looking critically at that other stuff). --ColinFine (talk) 22:48, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

How to contest speedy deletion
Hi,

I created a fairly objective and concise content about a company backed with references. However the entire post got deleted under Speedy Deletion clause with A7 being cited. I understand that Wikipedia has concerns regarding the 'importance' or 'significance' of the subject. How do I make efforts to restore the content with due regard to objectivity and in full accordance with Wikipedia rules?

Maddytechie (talk) 11:01, 2 April 2014 (UTC) Maddy


 * Hello, . The page you want is Deletion review. However, please be aware that neither "importance" nor "significance" is a concern of Wikipedia. What we are concerned with is "notability", which in normal parlance means the same as the other two words, but in Wikipedia has a special sense: whether the subject has been written about at length by multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. If a subject is "important" or "significant", then it will probably at some time meet the criteria for notability, but it may not do so yet; conversely, a subject can be notable in Wikipedia's sense without being especially "important". (I am talking in general terms - I don't know what company you're referring to or whether it meets the criteria). --ColinFine (talk) 11:10, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually, indications of "importance or significance" expressly are sufficient to avoid speedy deletion, but they would not be sufficient to avoid deletion per a more detailed WP:AFD discussion.--ukexpat (talk) 15:11, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Company Page Improvement to meet Wikipedia companies and organizations guidelines
Can you help me to solve the warnings showing in Ybrant Digital page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ybrantwiki (talk • contribs) 13:47, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * based upon your username, you probably have a conflict of interest and should not be editing the article directly at all. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  17:45, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * But to answer your question, when the conditions identified by the tags have been addressed, the tags can be removed. In this case, the addition of reliably published third party sources that discuss the subject in a significant manner would address both the "notability" and the "reliable sources" issues that have been flagged. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  18:02, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

The Hall School
There is a Wiki article for The Hall School in Hampstead, but the title of that article is Hall School (Hampstead), i.e. omitting the definite article. I cannot see on the editing page where to correct this, but even if I could, there would be enormous repercussions. This prominent school is referred to in very many articles using its correct name - The Hall School - with disambiguation links to the article on the school, so if the title of the article on the school is altered to give its correct name, all the disambiguation links in articles where the school is mentioned would have to be altered! Could that be done globally? --P123cat1 (talk) 16:10, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:MOVE discusses how to move pages. I'm not an expert at this, but my understanding is that if this move were undertaken then a redirect would be created at the original article name, and consequently the links would still function, though ideally they would be updated (manually) as well, though this isn't necessary. That said, you may want to wait for an editor more familiar with page moves to chime in. DonIago (talk) 16:24, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * My reading of MOS is that the article title would not start with the definite article. Note also that Hall School exists as a disambiguation page. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:36, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * As you dig down to more exact policy/guidelines, you end up at WP:NCTHE.Naraht (talk) 17:17, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * ...which seems to be applied inconsistently for school names - The Manchester Grammar School (proper name) redirects to Manchester Grammar School, whereas The Academy School exists at that title without a redirect. I am sure there are other examples with and without the definite article.--ukexpat (talk) 19:14, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips. I am very new to Wiki editing and fear I might make a pig's breakfast of any attempt I made to straighten things out! I couldn't even find the disambiguation page for this school, though I did try hard. Also, there seems to be some ambiguity about the rules on this, so I had better leave it for the time being. --P123cat1 (talk) 19:43, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

question about merging to a unified Wikimedia login on a very old account
Hi, I was thinking of finally merging my accounts with a unified Wikimedia login, as is written about here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Unified_login

However, I have a really old user id (like <100, from early 2002) and I really don't want to lose it. Will merging to a unified login reset my user id?

Thanks for any info!

--nathanbeach  16:32, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Village pump (technical)/Archive 41 from 2008 says you will keep your User ID at each wiki where you are already registered. You get a global User ID but that is not shown in preferences. Special:CentralAuth/PrimeHunter says mine is 1836852. As http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=allusers&aufrom=PrimeHunter&aulimit=1 says, my English Wikipedia User ID is 551300 (I agree yours is very low). I see 551300 at Special:Preferences and have other numbers at other wikis. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:57, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think there might me a problem, as user id is a unique identifier. Each wiki has its own user id for a particular user. This tool also generates user ids among other things. Try asking a developer on this IRC channel May be someone having more expertise or a dev might answer? -- Fauzan  ✆ talk   ✉ email  18:04, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you guys for the info. I know it's kind of a silly vanity, but I'm proud of my old Wikipedia id.  :)    --nathanbeach   18:59, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Just a follow-up -- looks like it worked fine. Merged my accounts and still have the same UID on en.wikipedia.org.  Thanks again.   --nathanbeach   21:16, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Question regarding the citation of a Gandhi quote
I am writing a research paper in APA format and require the year in which Gandhi said,

"“It's the action, not the fruit of the action, that's important. You have to do the right thing. It may not be in your power, may not be in your time, that there'll be any fruit. But that doesn't mean you stop doing the right thing. You may never know what results come from your action. But if you do nothing, there will be no result.”

Can you please provide me with answer to the above question?

Lori Germaine — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.156.143.156 (talk) 18:57, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * If you can't find the answer on Wikiquote, please ask at the Humanities section of the WP:Reference desk.--ukexpat (talk) 19:08, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Company Information
Hello, I am in need of some help to find a company based in Europa they started in 1975 and they are suppose to be independent technology solutions affiliated with Rigby Group Plc and they are privately owned. Maybe they go by the name of SCC.

Sincerely,

Punch — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4:4F00:44B:7434:F351:197F:EBF9 (talk) 19:23, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 19:57, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Minor spelling error, correction of
On page 7 of the Wikipedia article on the Blue Ridge Parkway (Blue Ridge Parkway), the section on Partners lists Eastern National as "the principle provider" of certain goods and services. I believe the article's author meant "the pricipal provider". A minor error, but we computer programmers are a fussy lot; and we ex-programmers are virtually impossible to live with.
 * WP:SOFIXIT, as I have just done. However, that section is very promotional (as it says, "[m]uch of this information comes from the Blue Ridge Parkway Foundation's Partners page") and needs to be toned down. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 20:10, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The word you are looking for is "Principal".— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:47, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

World War 2 images
Hello--

I just received some pics my dad took in WWII. I believe I am looking at the USS Saratoga in dry dock after being being hit by a 5th suicide plane. According to my dad"s diary, the part he was on was toed to was Guam. Too many ships with too many dead and injured took precedence of the Saratoga   The Saratoga was  finally  supported out to Pearl Harbor were it was finally fixed, but sadly finished.

Yes I have pictures, a day to day diary.

Respectfully,

Judith A Taylor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.82.242.184 (talk) 21:37, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello, Judith. It's not clear why you are telling us this: are you suggesting that one of these picture would enhance the article USS Saratoga (CV-3)? If your father took the pictures, then you are probably the copyright owner (though you should make sure of that) and you can donate them to Wikipedia (or preferably to Wikimedia Commons) by following the procedure in Donating copyright materials. Then once you have uploaded them, they can be used in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 22:58, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia can generally only accept images which have been released under a free license or meet some other specific requirements (see Image use policy). If the images are not your own work, then we need proof that the copyright owner (your father) is willing to release them under such a license. That proof should be sent to the E-Mail address specified at Commons:OTRS. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  23:12, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Works created by a US government employee (including members of the armed forces) in the course of their duties are in the public domain. Don't know if that applies to your dad's pictures. Jc3s5h (talk) 23:19, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, but unless we have a proof that the work is indeed free because of the above arguments, we assume it is non-free. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  23:35, 2 April 2014 (UTC)