Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 April 28

= April 28 =

Use of PDFs in Wikipedia articles
I wish to write an article on the 1982-86 Electronic Manuscript Project of Association of American Publishers, a project that led to ANSI/NISO/ISO 12083. It was a four-year undertaking involving forty industry groups. I would draw from 12 articles that can be referenced only as PDFs inasmuch as there are no links to them. Can Wikipedia store PDFs? 71.84.104.89 (talk) 00:18, 28 April 2014 (UTC)NAA
 * It would be preferable to link to the PDFs in question, ideally hosted by an officially-related or otherwise reliable website. It is possible to upload PDFs, but there are copyright concerns with any file upload.  -- N  Y  Kevin   00:57, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The subject would need to have been written about by reliable third party publishers. If all that exists for sources are pdfs, the subject doesnt qualify for a stand alone article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  01:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * PDF is just a format. Plenty of reliable sources are in PDF form.  But usually, they're hosted by the organizations that originated them, so you can verify they're official.  -- N  Y  Kevin   01:21, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks NYKevin and TRPod. I'm interested in the possibility of uploading the 12 PDFs. All are of articles published in a 1986 issue of Electronic Publishing Business, a then-reputable industry publication of a now-defunct and agent-less publisher. Interestingly, one of the articles is by the former Director of New Technology and Copyrights for the Association of American Publishers. If proper attribution can be made of these copyrighted articles, do I assume correctly that the PDFs could be uploaded for storage by Wikipedia and then linked to the article I write? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.84.104.89 (talk) 02:31, 28 April 2014
 * reliable sources do not need to be accessible on the web V, and we cannot link to copyright content that has been posted on the web without the consent of the copyright holderWP:ELNEVER, nor is uploading the copyright material to Wikipedia an allowable WP:FAIRUSE. Simply cite the original publication.  --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  03:18, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Hiroko Mima Miss Universe Japan
Dear Help desk,

I have updated Hiroko Mima Miss Universe 2008 wiki page. It is about 5 years out of date. I have updated comprehensively but tnothing has happened so far. Can you please tell me what I need to do for action to be taken.

With thanks Alex — Preceding unsigned comment added by AWMH (talk • contribs) 02:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * You posted your new material on the article talk page, rather than on the article itself. You also caused confusion on the talk page by deleting all the previous content, so I have now added the previous content back in, and collapsed the display of your new text.  It appears that few editors are watching that talk page, so I would suggest that you be BOLD and edit the article directly, making sure that you include references to reliable sources to support your changes. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:56, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * As David Biddulph said above, the page you actually 'updated' here was Talk:Hiroko Mima, the discussion page for the article. The page you thought you were updating was Hiroko Mima, which is 'semi-protected' so you are unable to edit it unless your user account is "more than four days old and [has] made at least 10 edits". On Wikipedia this will make you 'autoconfirmed' and able to edit protected articles. You only  have 3 edits so you would be unable to edit it, though you may make suggestions on the talkpage. --220  of  Borg 03:18, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Adding a person
So what do I do if no page is inaccurate but I want to add a name?

I saw something about having to post at least 5 comments?!

I just want to add a person that's been really badly missed off. Can be vetted by you.

Please how do I add someone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chloevb84 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't know what you read that mentioned 5 comments. I've left a welcome message on your talk page which has links that should help you get started here.  Dismas |(talk) 04:45, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I think the OP is talking about WP:AUTOCONFIRM - X201 (talk) 09:55, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Which doesn't include the number 5 anywhere which is why I was confused. Dismas |(talk) 10:44, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Which person do you want to add to which page? PrimeHunter (talk) 08:07, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * One way is to ask on the talk page of the article concerned and raise your point there. Another is to ask for help here. Remember that WP:V applies in both cases. - X201 (talk) 09:56, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * It may be about creating an article or getting a name into a category or navigation template. It's best to post the person and page here so we can see what applies. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:01, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Adding a Photograph to a WP Article
I have taken a photograph with a friend's digital camera of the Elah Valley which I wish to upload in the main article. What is the process for uploading? Thanks.Davidbena (talk) 09:26, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has a sister project called Wikimedia Commons. If you're happy to make you image free for anyone to use you can upload it there with their file upload wizard - X201 (talk) 09:52, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can easily to by using Wikpedia commons. Also, that would be great if you can categorize your picture when you upload them. Feel free to ask any questions! Have a good day.Db9023 (talk) 08:58, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

want to send you a story
good day I would like to send you a story. How did I send it to you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.208.238.62 (talk) 09:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That would depend on what the story is, and what you want us to do with it. - X201 (talk) 09:58, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You may be looking for Articles for creation.  Spinning Spark  10:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

My ip is banned?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.55.212.38 (talk)


 * I guess you are the same person as the below section. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:33, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Question for administrator
admin help

I haven't done anything wrong on wikipedia and I was just editing a mistake on a page. May I please be unbanned?


 * You're not blocked from editing Wikipedia. If you were blocked, you would not be able to post this message here. Perhaps your account is blocked? -- Glaisher  [talk]  11:10, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

It seems to have disappeared. It said I couldn't edit because my ip had something wrong with it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.14.123 (talk) 11:13, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The above "My ip is banned?" was posted by a different IP in the same country. I guess it was also you and you have a dynamic IP address. Maybe you had a third IP address when you thought you were banned. Special:MyContributions will show your current IP address and any saved edits it may have (logged in users will see their account and not the IP). PrimeHunter (talk) 11:31, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

What happens to copyrights if the owner no longer exists
What happens to the rights if a publisher is liquidated and no record of a transfer of copyright to a new owner can be found? Does the publication become public domain by default? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * No, the rights are still owned by somebody even if it not obvious from the outside who that somebody is. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:24, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It sometimes happens that no-one knows who owns the copyright, even the owner. This is unfortunate, because then no-one can legally use the work, even though the copyright owner might be willing to let them. But that is how the law works, and Wikipedia does it best to obey the law. Maproom (talk) 13:45, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Orphan works ought to be public domain but the law is not always what it ought to be.Jim.henderson (talk) 13:54, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * So for example the photos in my late grandfather's photo album (1930s to 1980s), which I own, can't be uploaded to Commons just because grandpa's will did not explicitly assign the copyright to me (or anyone else)? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Unless your grandmother had a very bad lawyer draft her will, the document contains language dispersing everything even if it is not specifically itemized; and if she died without a will, the laws in most countries will have assigned everything. Note that her copyrights are to pictures that she TOOK, not pictures that she possessed. --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  00:38, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Not a lawyer, I figure a copyright must belong either to somebody or to nobody, and if there's a will, a lawyer who studies it ought to be able to tell you. Like, a clause saying "everything else goes to Roger" or something to that effect. Jim.henderson (talk) 14:02, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Greg A. Hill
Hi there. I wonder if you could lend a hand to the Greg A. Hill article. I noticed that an editor had made a bunch of good faith edits to the page, which required lots of cleanup. I left the editor a note on their talk page, then tried to roll back the edits and move forward (the editor had only made cosmetic changes, little new info). Anyway, it didn't work, as a bot had already tried to help (and I know that's not what my rollback is for, but my intent was a good one). Would you have a moment to look at the page? It may need a rollback to a point prior to the good faith edits of Jcbmxer. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 11:41, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * You could just go into the history, edit the version prior to the other editor's changes and save it (no change necessary). Clarityfiend (talk) 11:55, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Buff-coloured tag?
The Wikipedia tag at the top of the page, beside the title bar, was temporarily shaded in a buff colour. Now it's gone back to the normal white. What did this mean? Valetude (talk) 11:42, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Valetude: Can you explain what you mean by tag? I've looked at both the logo and the tagline and neither have had edits in a few years. - Purplewowies (talk) 18:21, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I mean the little windows at the top of the screen that indicate which sites are currently open. One of them says 'Editing Wikipedia;Hel'. Valetude (talk) 10:18, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It is known as a favicon. As far as I can see, nothing was changed on the configuration side, so perhaps something was changed in your browser settings (eg. skin/theme)? -- Glaisher  [talk]  10:25, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I wonder whether, rather than a favicon (which gives a small icon at the left-hand side of the tab), the OP was seeing the feature of at least some tabbed browsers (such as IE8 +), whereby if a new tab is opened through a link from an existing tab, the tabs themselves are colour-shaded to indicate that they form a related group? --David Biddulph (talk) 10:41, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That last one sounds quite likely. Thank you, David Biddulph et al. Valetude (talk) 12:07, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Casting off an anchor
How do I find out what (if anything) is using the anchor to the Athletes subsection of Tiger (disambiguation)? I'd like to split off entries to Tiger (nickname) and Tiger (surname), which would entail getting rid of that and other subsections. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Only by manually checking all incoming links. Ruslik_ Zero 12:29, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * It can be done with a regex search of the database. See Database queries.  However, there are so few incoming links to Tiger (disambiguation) that it is really not worth anyone's trouble to do it. Just search each page in edit mode for "#Athletes".   Spinning  Spark  14:03, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks. At first glance, there don't seem to be any. (It does show that there's already a semi-duplication in Tiger (name), which is useful.) Clarityfiend (talk) 22:54, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Translating : Ultimate Frisbee Chinese
Hello Wikipedia I'm a new guy who recently joined. I play ultimate frisbee and I can't help but notice that the Chinese version of the article is really thin. I would love to help and translate the English version of the article into Chinese. I'm wondering, is translating the article allowed? Because in the editing box, you guys ask that we have to reference the sources, what if the sources are already included in the English version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buritoredcap (talk • contribs) 14:49, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * See WP:Translation and WP:Translate us. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * and note that, as it is the Chinese article you will be improving, it is the Chinese-Wikipedia rules on referencing that you will need to follow. I can't read Chinese, so I can't be sure; but I expect that
 * they will regard the existence of a reference in the English-Wikipedia article (or the French-Wikipedia article, etc.) as irrelevant;
 * they will prefer references to Chinese-language sources, but may accept references to sources in other languages where none in Chinese can be found.
 * Maproom (talk) 16:55, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

AT&T Ballpark, 24 Willie Mays Plaza, San Francisco, CA
How many permanent jobs does the ball park utelize?

What is the Property Tax Rreveue of the ballpark?

What is the approximate amont of the federal tax on the Total Wwage of the employees?. 161.185.158.23 (talk) 15:52, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:57, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Dundalk High School
Dundalk High School is in Baltimore, Maryland not Bay Shore, New Jersey — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.107.64.41 (talk) 17:13, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Another high school in the suburb Dundalk (in Baltimore County, Maryland) is actually named Patapsco High School and Center for the Arts; and we've got an article about it already. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  17:36, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia's article Dundalk High School correctly says Baltimore, Maryland and hasn't been edited in a month. I suspect you saw the Bay Shore claim elsewhere, maybe at Facebook. Some Facebook pages include both content copied from Wikipedia and other content from other sources or generated by Facebook itself. A location field at top of a page will usually be inserted by Facebook based on some system I dont know, but they frequently get it wrong. Wikipedia has no control over Facebook. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:40, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The first sentence of the article Dundalk High School says "Dundalk High School (DHS) is a four-year public high school in the United States, located in Baltimore County, Maryland". Did you have a question about any other page on Wikipedia?  The only reference I can find relating both to Dundalk High School and to Bay Shore, New Jersey is on Facebook, not on Wikipedia, so if that is your concern you need to raise it with Facebook, not with Wikipedia.  - David Biddulph (talk) 17:44, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

QUESTION: Is Citing Copies of Archived News Articles OK?
Is citing an archived copy of a New York Times news article (like http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/opinion/the-wire-next-time.html as linked at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality#cite_note-NYT-20140428-16 from WebCite [update note - archiveurl & related citation details have since been removed - to be *entirely* ok w/ this atm] - or even the Internet Archive) - *entirely* ok - or not? - thanking you in advance for your reply - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:14, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * If the link is to a proper website (i.e., not a copyright violation), then yes; but note that the example you use is an opinion piece, not a news story). Or you may simply cite the original story and not put in a weblink. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  17:32, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * @ - Thank you *very much* for your comment - it's greatly appreciated - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that I'd have noticed that was an opinion piece – presumably those are potentially less subject to editorial scrutiny and, therefore, less valuable as sources?
 * Also, I had the impression that we're supposed to avoid direct links to archives and use or  templates or the archiveurl=, etc entries in the citation templates.  Is that the case?  I'm still figuring out the guidelines... --Otus scops (talk) 18:05, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * There shouldn't be bare links, no. In Citation Style 1, there's a place in the template for the url and an archived url, and both can be included at initial citation if they exist, because there's also a parameter that tells the template the original page is still active, which treats the template like it hasn't had an archive url put in, and that parameter can be removed upon loss of the original source. - Purplewowies (talk) 18:12, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks Purplewowies. Can I check - The Wire Next Time is discouraged (I tend to fix it when I see it, but I'm not sure if I should).  I'm not sure if that counts as a bare url or not. --Otus scops (talk) 18:34, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * They're less subject to link rot than just a bare url (as they have a title)... but I'd consider them sufficiently bare as to be more difficult to fix if they died. Most people aren't going to argue against replacing a plain link reference with a fuller reference, so you should be fine to fix it, as long as you're keeping with the established citation style of the article, assuming it has one. - Purplewowies (talk) 21:19, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Purplewowies. (And sorry for semi-hijacking your question, Drbogdan.) --Otus scops (talk) 21:25, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * @ - no problem whatsoever - interesting comments of course - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 12:50, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

ERROR IN A REFERENCE - HELP
In the article about dowry: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowry)

I apparently do not know how to edit a reference, nor undo the change I made). This is the first time I have tried to edit something. I thought it would be easy to change one number. Somebody reading this, please fix/change. I'm really sorry!

Reference 67 wrongly gave the page number as p 43 (or some two digit "4x" number). On google books, after hunting around the book, I found it on p 149 in an article on Bhutan.

(http://books.google.com/books?id=bOkPjFQoBj8C&pg=PR5&lpg=PR5&dq=Encyclopedia+of+Women+in+Today's+World,+Volume+1&source=bl&ots=XP6Pm5TAff&sig=y2C7OOsxd49mw-Rxebt5uMRzMW4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aIxeU_3IObC42gX3oYG4AQ&ved=0CFYQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Encyclopedia%20of%20Women%20in%20Today's%20World%2C%20Volume%201&f=false)

Encyclopedia of Women in Today's World, Volume 1 edited by Mary Zeiss Stange, Carol K. Oyster, Jane E. Sloan. p 149.

71.89.130.205 (talk) 18:20, 28 April 2014 (UTC)Russ King


 * Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 18:22, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The reference issue has now been fixed, and honestly it is no wonder you ended running into this. When working with references it is possible to give a reference a name, which allows it to be reused without having to enter all the details on a different part of the page. This is not only convenient (You will only need to change 1 piece of text to update all mentions of this reference), but it will also shorten the amount of text on the page since one only needs to enter the name of the citation to reuse it. Reference 52 on that page is an example of the result - the "a" and "b" denote multiple instances where the reference was used.


 * The section you edited was actually such a reference to another reference. The actual reference looks like this:
 * If i were to refer to this reference elsewhere i would only have to cite its name. Like so:
 * Since the reference includes the page number it is easy to mistake it for the page number displayed. Once you changed it to 149 the mediawiki software started searching for a reference that has the modified name. Since there was none it simply displayed the error you saw before (There is no reference with that name). The solution can be seen here. Effectively i created another full reference that includes the entire reference, instead of just a pointer.
 * Since the reference includes the page number it is easy to mistake it for the page number displayed. Once you changed it to 149 the mediawiki software started searching for a reference that has the modified name. Since there was none it simply displayed the error you saw before (There is no reference with that name). The solution can be seen here. Effectively i created another full reference that includes the entire reference, instead of just a pointer.
 * Since the reference includes the page number it is easy to mistake it for the page number displayed. Once you changed it to 149 the mediawiki software started searching for a reference that has the modified name. Since there was none it simply displayed the error you saw before (There is no reference with that name). The solution can be seen here. Effectively i created another full reference that includes the entire reference, instead of just a pointer.


 * Feeling confused? I can imagine that since this isn't an easy issue to start with! In that case you may be interested in the referencing for beginners guide or the to-the-point example present here. Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 18:36, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

replyto and ping
What exactly do and  do? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:25, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * They give the a notification to the user. See ping  RudolfRed (talk) 19:30, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:48, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Lloyd Thaxton
I am Lloyd Thaxton's widow, Barbara Thaxton. I would like to either add or replace the photo of him with one he and I preferred.

It is a photo of Lloyd warming up the audience at NBC for his show FIGHT BACK.

Please advise how I can do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Babs13 (talk • contribs) 20:30, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Do you own the copyright of the picture? If you did not take the picture yourself you probably don't, so the first step is to get the permission of the copyright holder to release it under a free licence (see WP:CC-BY-SA for our most common acceptable licence).  Permission for use on Wikipedia only, educational only, or non-commercial use only are not acceptable.  Once you have permission you can upload it to Commons using this wizard.  You will need the picture in a digital format such as jpeg or png.  To actually use an uploaded image in an article see Picture tutorial.  Spinning  Spark  21:20, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * But also note that the choice of the photos to use is up to the Wikipedia editors and they may decide that the current image or a different image is what should be in the article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  01:55, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

YOU MADE ME A PALLET ON THE FLOOR
I am trying to add to the list of cover versions of this song a version by THE WEAVERS from Vanguard Album VRS-9043 released in 1958 which is an album that I have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.73.137 (talk) 21:39, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The article is Make Me a Pallet on the Floor - I think I've resolved it. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:50, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Inappropriate user conduct
Hello, I would like to report and potentially block a user who persists in deleting sourced content and in edit warring, and who has a clear conflict of interest in editing a certain article. I am prepared to provide diffs, but I am unclear as to which dispute resolution process I should turn to. Thank you for your help, Yoninah (talk) 22:30, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * If the removals are blatant, unquestionable vandalism, then report to WP:AIV after the editor has been given a final warning and does not desist. For edit warring, report to WP:ANEW.  Spinning Spark  00:49, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

SkyBlu
I have been editing the Wikipedia article on SkyBlu, the American rapper. The title of the article is "SkyBlu", but throughout the text his name appears as "Sky Blu". The Talk page for the article raises the discrepancy but no-one there has been able to resolve it. I saw a reference there to his Facebook page, where I see he calls himself "Sky Blu". Can I take it that this is the correct spelling, or could SkyBlu be his proper rapper name? (I know very little about these things!) If I can take it that "Sky Blu" is the correct spelling, it would mean altering the title of the Wikipedia article which would then lead to linking problems wherever his name is mentioned in other Wikipedia articles as "SkyBlu". If his Facebook page can be quoted as a source, how would I do the footnote? Facebook < /ref >, or would there need to be more than that? (Had to put gaps round "ref" to stop it showing up as a footnote here!) --P123cat1 (talk) 23:18, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Facebook is not ideal, but a Google search suggests several news articles that also support Sky Blu. --Otus scops (talk) 23:32, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Also you can do --Otus scops (talk) 23:37, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia already has an article Sky Blu about a base in Antarctica. But it looks sensible to me to rename the SkyBlu article to Sky Blu (rapper). Maproom (talk) 00:18, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ per WP:BOLD. -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  07:41, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Mdann52 has given the Wiki article on Sky Blu a new title and a Facebook reference, but since you said Facebook is not ideal, using WP's Referencing manual I added a news article that supports the "Sky Blu" spelling as another reference. I then had a message on my Talk page saying I had missed out a square bracket, so I added it in, but the footnote now looks a bit strange. Can you correct my mistake, please, and tell me how you did it? Sorry, I am very new to all this. --P123cat1 (talk) 13:28, 29 April 2014 (UTC)