Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 August 11

= August 11 =

Referencing errors on Trip Lee
Reference help requested.

How do you do references.

Thanks, 108.45.136.89 (talk) 01:51, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Referencing for beginners should help out. Another editor fixed the issue you were having though. Dismas |(talk) 01:56, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

In The News
I posted a candidate article for ITN and I even used a template. My edit was reverted. Can someone please help me do this correctly? Thanks. USchick (talk) 02:31, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Go to WP:ITN/C. You were at the wrong page. RGloucester  — ☎ 02:33, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought that's where I was. Ok, I'll try again, thanks. USchick (talk) 02:36, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I made the nomination at ITN, but it shows up in the Current Events portal, where apparently someone doesn't like it there. USchick (talk) 02:42, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I fixed it for you. You put it into a template for the current events portal. RGloucester  — ☎ 02:44, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! You're so awesome!!!! USchick (talk) 02:45, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * For another time, you should have clicked edit at the "August 11" heading at WP:ITN/C. You must have clicked "show" (if your browser displays that) and then clicked edit at "August 11, 2014 (Monday)" which is transcluded from Portal:Current events/2014 August 11. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:25, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did click "show" first. Thanks for the tip! USchick (talk) 14:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Quotes from foreign languages
How do we embed quotes from a foreign languages into the articles? How does it look like with translations? Any examples? SkywalkerPL (talk) 09:45, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:NONENG offers some basic guidelines. You'd probably want something like: "Gott würfelt nicht" (God does not play Dice), A. Einstein.  Sometimes people place the parenthetical inside the quotes: "Gott würfelt nicht (God does not play Dice)", A. Einstein.  My prefered style guide (the Chicago Manual of Style) recommends square brackets instead of parenthesis: "Gott würfelt nicht" [God does not play Dice], A. Einstein.  A footnote is also an option in some cases.  Rwessel (talk) 14:55, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, cheers, thank you. :) SkywalkerPL (talk) 14:57, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * We have Manual of Style but it is not especially prescriptive on how to do this. You might want to look at some Featured Article examples such as Georg Cantor and Niels Bohr SpinningSpark 15:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Repost the article "Rotaract Club of Cairo Royal"
Dear Sir/Madam,

First, let me introduce myself. My name is Bassem EL Sawy and i'm a member and a past vice president of a Rotaract Club named Rotaract Club of Cairo Royal which is a part of the Rotary International Organization. I wrote and edited an article on wikipedia with the following URL Rotaract Club of Cairo Royal

The article was removed by one of your volunteering editors, i tried to know why through his page and his reason was (A7: Article about a group or club, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject (CSDH)

Using wikipedia as a method of publication or informing people about our organization or work is the reason why we wrote the article at the first place and keeping the Rotary International and Rotaract International pages acknowledges that there is nothing wrong of us adding a page for our club.

I request adding the article back to wikipedia as i tried the talk tab to resolve this issue with the editor and i never got a reply back on the issue.

P.S. I have all the rights to use the club logo or add any information about the club as a club member and a former club officer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.32.38.153 (talk) 10:59, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * First of all, since you are connected with the subject of the article you have a conflict of interest. You should read our conflict of interest guidelines.  Basically, you should not directly edit articles with which you have a conflict of interest, but you can make suggestions.  There is also the Articles for Creation process.  Secondly you should read our notability guideline which explains how Wikipedia defines and establishes notability.  Finally, the administrator who you contacted, Malik Shabazz, did reply to your request. SpinningSpark 15:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * And also, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is not a "method of publication or informing people about our organization or work", see WP:SPAM.--ukexpat (talk) 16:55, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You may wish to view the page http://www.rotaractorwiki.org/wiki/Rotaract_Club_of_Cairo_Royal on rotaractorwiki.org. This page is much more suited to your purposes.-- Auric    talk  22:40, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

How to create a Category?
Deaspite long searches, I can't find how one creates or proposes the creation of a Category. Is it my stupidity or is the information well concealed? --Clifford Mill (talk) 11:16, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Clifford Mill, you might be interested in Categorization. benzband  ( talk ) 11:39, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * There is rather too much information at Help:Category. In short, you can add, for example,  with other categories near the bottom of an article. That is technically all that is required, but the category will show as a red link. Clicking the red link will go to the category page which you can create. Technically, all that's needed is brief text like "This is for examples". However, a lot of stuff is normally added and the simplest is to find a similar category and copy what it does. Having said all that, creating categories should require quite a lot of thought, and occur after a lot of reading starting at the above help page. Johnuniq (talk) 11:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Please keep in mind that the new category itself must be included in at least one "parent" category, orphan categories are useless and subject to prompt deletion. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:18, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * That's right, and the parent category is the bare minimum that needs to be on the page. Frequently, that's all there is, there is usually no need for an explanation of what the category is about.  Maybe if there is a main article for the category that will be there as well, but that's all. See Portal:Contents to find the top of the category tree and work down to where a new category might belong. SpinningSpark 15:53, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Curriculum Vitae
I wish to create an article that is the Curriculum Vitae of Roger Jenkins the prolific theatre and TV Director. I have five references relating to Roger's work. The CV takes the form of a brief profile, his education details and a listing of the circa 200 theatre and TV productions that he directed. Roger is alive and wishes me to enter this article.

Please advise me,

KeithKeithhmorris (talk) 11:37, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You may want to check out Your first article for some basic help. Make sure that you can have a neutral point of view in the article, or it is likely to be deleted. Piguy101 (talk) 16:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Please also read WP:COI and WP:RESUME. I strongly suggest that you follow the WP:AFC process to create a draft article for review.--ukexpat (talk) 16:51, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

ang mey
the second half of this article - the english is so bad as to be unintelligable — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.56.8.47 (talk) 14:40, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree. Indeed it is so unintelligible that it will not be easy to convert it into good English. I suspect it was translated from th:กษัตรีองค์มี, so maybe someone who can translate from Thai can help. Maproom (talk) 16:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I have now tagged the article to get the attention of suitable translators. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:28, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

The next evolution.
Diderot started the original encyclopedia, and others helped start Wikipedia. What will be the next evolution? Could it come from the Brainy Bunch? How does one classify art from graffiti? What is the difference between "enlightened work" from non-sense? Are results the only outcome to measure? What if an i-phone became the new telephone linked to a cable in one of those red telephone booths in England? Would that public marketplace make it qualify as a new library of the information age? Does encyclopedic information have to all come from one source to be considered consistent with the past definitions of pedia materials? Does a person's feet have to touch the ground while sitting in the chair in a college classroom to be considered a student? To be of student age in Africa used to mean a small child had to be able to put their arm over their head and if they could touch the opposite ear with it they were old enough to go to school. Was this fair? Have we as a society now redefined what it means to be pedia information? Is it right to come from only one source? Ethical?? A reasonable approach??? By whose standard???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.236.124.19 (talk) 18:24, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * All good questions, but not for the Help Desk. Maybe WP:VPM?--ukexpat (talk) 19:43, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Mostly they seem like reference desk questions rather than VP. Even there, a lot of them require speculative answers, which the ref desk is not supposed to do—but probably will. SpinningSpark 21:17, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm no sock Hunter, but could this possibly be recently blocked User:Jim-Siduri, who loves to mention Diderot, and to pose speculative questions about the nature of and the future of this encyclopedia? <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  07:43, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like it to me. Calling WP:DUCK on this one. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 10:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Babel-link template
I recently saw documentation for a template with the following features: I can't remember the title of the template or where I found it. Any suggestions? Nyttend (talk) 23:18, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You use it to provide a link to a foreign-language Wikipedia article when there's no article here
 * You can specify the title of the other language's article as well as a link here
 * It automatically detects whether someone's created an article here under this title
 * If someone creates an article with this title, it automatically stops displaying the foreign link and instead displays the English link
 * Hey Nyttend It's ill (and to help me and you remember next time, the title stands for InterLanguage Link). I had looked it up once before when I was going to use it, and remembered that it was listed at WP:RED. Cheers--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:40, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I was trying to get Wojciech Miaskowski, so let's see what it looks like.  Nyttend (talk) 00:26, 12 August 2014 (UTC)