Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 August 4

= August 4 =

Problem with inserting a photograph - copyright/ updating status of the page
Dear Help Desk, my nickname is Eeevanwok and I am the contributor of the article "Daphne Lorraine Gum". (1) I found a photograph of the subject of my article (with her sister) on the internet. I obtained permission to use the photograph in this article (by email). I uploaded the image and tried to post it in the article. I filled out the "non-free" information form as part of this process, through the something-or-other-wizard. Then I got a page with confusing messages on it, asking for further information. All I can do is repeat what I have already said. (2) the article has an annotation at the top of it about how it can be improved. I have made some of those improvements, but the note has not been updated. Can you please help? I look forward to hearing from you and thank you for your assistance. Lesley Jakobsen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eeevanwok (talk • contribs) 04:09, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for trying to improve the article. It sounds as if you may have trying to upload the image to Wikimedia Commons using the Upload Wizard. I'm afraid that all I can do is offer sympathy. I have been uploading images for years, and I still find the process a nightmare. I don't know why it has to be so confusing. Maproom (talk) 06:25, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello . The file appears to have been uploaded properly but you could have picked a shorter name. I've requested a rename to a shorter name. You will need to ask the photographer to send an email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org, using the format at c:COM:ET because photos of living people need to be freely licensed so they can be used by anyone for any purpose. Without such permission, the photo would have to be deleted because it cannot be used under fair use. I haven't nominated the file for deletion because of the note you put on the file page. When you have confirmation from the photographer that they have sent an email to Wikimedia, you can add the OTRS pending template to the file page. When an OTRS agent confirms that permission has been granted, they will change that template and you should have no more problems.  Green Giant  ( talk )  11:27, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Why won't the images show up on this article?
Sorong (city) is a city in Indonesia. I was trying to transfer images from Indonesian Wikipedia onto English Wikipedia. The images won't show up and I'm not even sure where specifically to look because I don't remember encountering this problem. I've tried putting the images in the infobox with "File:" in the beginning and without it, with brackets and without them, and all to no avail. Where can I find help on this specific problem? I'm not even sure how to phrase it other than "images don't show." MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:41, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not very good at this stuff, but I would think that you'd have to go to the Indonesian wiki and transfer the pictures to Commons before you can use them here - assuming they are suitable for Commons. Otherwise, you'd have to upload them here. I don't see how an article here would find a picture on another wiki. But I could be wrong.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:02, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * That is correct. The images were uploaded to the Indonesian Wikipedia and while there can only be used on the Indonesian Wikipedia.  If they have suitable licenses, which it appears that the logo does, then you could upload them to Wikimedia Commons or to the English Wikipedia and then use them here as you have tried to do.  I don't read Indonesian, so I can't say for certain that they can be transferred to Commons.  Dismas |(talk) 07:33, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't read Indonesian either to be honest, I have an app for it on my smartphone but I just know a few words. I do know some Indonesian editors on commons, perhaps they could help.
 * In the mean time, is there an article I can read about how to transfer an image from, let's say, Indonesian or Spanish or whichever Wikipedia, onto Commons? Is there a detailed process, or can I just right click, save as, and upload it as though it were something I found myself? MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:32, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The page you are looking for is Moving files to the Commons. The tools described on that page should work on other Wikipedias, but I've never tried it, and bear in mind that the page is written for en.wiki. There are also help pages on Commons: Commons:WikiProject transwiki migration and Commons:Moving to Commons.  Copying it manually is not such a good idea because of issues with attribution and preserving the file history, but it is possible if you properly follow all the licence requirements. SpinningSpark 16:50, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the links. If copying manually can cause complications, I'll just forego that and check out the links you posted here. Hopefully, things will work out in the end. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:49, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Something for me to do?
Dear all, I am Gabrielchihonglee. I was active on Wikipedia before but I left for about a year. Now, I am back and I want to help vandal fight, what and where and how should I start? Thank. --Gabrielchihonglee (talk) 05:16, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Vandalism's still rather constant. Perhaps skim through recent changes and something will pop out at you. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:36, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Finding dates of birth
When working on biographies of living people I frequently have a surprising amount of difficulty tracking down a date of birth, or even a year of birth, for even fairly high-profile subjects. Can anyone recommend a go-to source for this information? Noyster  (talk),  09:34, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Try Google on the name of the person. However, if a date of birth or year of birth is not reliably sourced, using Wikipedia's strict concepts of reliable sourcing, it is best to omit it.  Questionable dates of birth for living persons are far worse than the lack of a date of birth.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:53, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

the logo of our school uploaded here
Good day!

I have a concern regarding the logo of our school uploaded here. It has been updated and I hope to change it based on our new logo. How may I do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.202.22.21 (talk) 14:43, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * What school? -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  15:04, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You must first open an account. The account must then be confirmed before you will be allowed to upload images.  Post a message on my talk page after you have created the account requesting confirmation. SpinningSpark 17:19, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Stuck in the Draft Stage
Hello,

I created a Wikipedia page titled CareerFuel (Draft:CareerFuel) but I can't seem to get past the draft stage. It has been a draft for a while now and I am concerned that there is something I didn't do in order for it to be approved. Is there something specific that I need to do or add to my draft for it to become a real Wikipedia page?

Lukeshehata (talk) 15:03, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


 * The draft has been speedily deleted as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion", see WP:CSD.--ukexpat (talk) 17:28, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

whole numbers
The set of whole numbers is an ordered set, as a function of its creation. Some subsets of whole numbers are not ordered, including the set of whole numbers as a subset.

thx, f. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.180.139.24 (talk) 15:12, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


 * It looks as though you would like to edit some Wikipedia article. If so, please go ahead and edit the article yourself, or if you prefer to open a discussion before changing the article, please do so at the article's talk page. I'm putting some basic guidance on editing on to your own talk page Noyster   (talk),  16:10, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


 * But any subset of an ordered set is trivially ordered. --ColinFine (talk) 19:11, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Adding photos for architecture firm
Hello,

I'd like to create a wiki page for a prominent architecture firm. I want to add photos of their projects which are available online - do I need to ask permission to use them? How do I go about resolving the copyright protection of these images?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raysova89 (talk • contribs) 15:13, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Please see Copyright situations by country - In some countries such as France or Italy there is no "Freedom of Panorama" making the view itself copyright. AFAIK in the US, although buildings built on or after December 1, 1990 are themselves copyright, once built, this does not prevent photos, provided they are taken from a public place, not from any private ground, including the grounds of the building itself. As for obtaining release of copyright, please see Donating copyrighted materials for the procedures to follow - although obtaining this permission may be difficult, as we require the pictures to be released under a specific license e.g. CC-BY-SA-3.0 which allows re-use, alteration and commercial use of the image. There is no way the copyright holder can say "you can use this in Wikipedia, but not anywhere else". - Arjayay (talk) 16:42, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * This is not as simple as it may sound - where are the buildings? When were they built? Where was the photo taken from?


 * Pedantic note: the copyright holder can say "you can use this in Wikipedia, but not anywhere else". It is legally meaningful. But Wikipedia's response will then be "thanks, but no thanks. We don't accept pictures on that basis." Maproom (talk) 19:38, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


 * User:Arjayay gives good advice, it is complicated when you are taking pictures. However, you were asking about using pictures found online. As a good rule of thumb, you should assume they are not allowed, unless you can specifically find an allowable license. there are some rare exceptions, but rare. If you identify a specific photo, and see a license which you think is acceptable, a good place to ask is Media_copyright_questions. If you find the images by an online search, they are very unlikely to be usable.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  17:15, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Ray, when you say you want to create a wiki page "for" a company, we're assuming the best case scenario: that you want to create a Wikipedia article about that company, not for (as in "on behalf of") that company. If that is not the case, then our rather stringent rules about conflict of interest and promotional editing come into play. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  17:56, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Everyone - Thank you for your advice. Orange Mike - I meant the former, writing about an architecture firm. I want to write about a firm that has been in the spotlight for the past couple of years, and was surprised there was not an article about them already (though they are mentioned in various wiki articles).


 * The firm has published renderings and photos of buildings online that I'd like to add to the wiki page I'm building. After looking through the links you all posted here, I will reach out to the firm and see if they'd be willing to donate their images for Wiki that they've already posted online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raysova89 (talk • contribs) 20:10, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It is very possible they will agree if you ask. For example, File:Kamvari Architects, Ajoodaniyeh Tower, Office led Mixed use scheme, 2012.jpg is an example that I processed a couple days ago.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  00:33, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

How to cite a label
I bought a poster and uploaded its image. See File:Unknown, Karen Zabel, Metropol Kabaret, 1918, HS7782.jpg

On the back is pasted a label affixed by its first collector, see Hans Sachs (poster collector). (I posted this a few days ago.) It carries a number, 7782, written by Sachs as well as another of unknown origin.

Sachs died in 1974.

Adding an image of the label would make Hans Sachs more interesting. It was by benefit of the labels that his posters were identified as originally his property.

What permission for publishing an image of the label can I cite?

Henry Townsend 19:48, 4 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henrytow (talk • contribs)


 * Just some thoughts. The label would constitute a primary source so therefore the interpretation that you posted, indicating the labels where important in identifying his work, should come from a secondary source.  If the labels are, as you indicate, important to this topic then presumably it's been written about outside of the encyclopedia, so therefore cite that secondary source instead.  An image may well complement anything added.  CaptRik (talk) 11:49, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

I think that citing Sachs's memoire (cited as Hans J. Sachs, Ph.D., D.M.D, "The World's Largest Poster Collection," January, 1957, reprinted in The Hans Sachs Poster Collection, Part I, New York: Guernsey's (auction house), 2012) would be the secondary source. I have and would like to add to the article an image of a label, and a sentence describing its importance. But what permission applies to such an image? It has been suggested that Sachs writing four numbers on the label is not a creative act. But still: What permission for publishing an image of the label can I cite? Henry Townsend 16:18, 5 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henrytow (talk • contribs)


 * If the label itself is not a work of art - consists of simple text and basic lines or shapes - you can photograph or scan it and license the resulting image as your own work - that is the photo of the label, not the label itself. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:04, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
Hello. I don't know if this is a stupid question, but is it okay for a regular Wikipedia editor (like myself) to delete pages tagged for speedy deletion? I just want to make sure I don't make a fool of myself if the answer is no. Thank you! Overlasting Peace (talk) 21:19, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Every wikipedia editor essentially has the same rights, minus admin and sysops rights. So yes, if the article needs to be tagged CSD, and you correctly identify the reason why, go ahead and learn! IE for vandalism, you don't need rollback to revert, and moving pages, etc.... Explore, enjoy! Just read the appropriate guidelines before editing in those areas! Jab843 (talk) 21:25, 4 August 2014 (UTC) I misunderstood the question, no only admins and above can delete pages. Jab843 (talk) 21:27, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually you can't delete a page - only admins have the "delete button". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:24, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay, thank you for letting me know before I wasted my time trying (unsuccessfully) to delete stuff. Overlasting Peace (talk) 21:32, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

request edited page's quick update from the reviewers
How to request edited page's quick update from the reviewers? Zdzisio71 (talk) 22:02, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I don't quite understand your question; could you re-phrase it? -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  22:12, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * any page in particular? Jab843 (talk) 22:55, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


 * If you are asking about your edits to Jan Więckowski, there are two problems:
 * You wrapped the files in both tags and  brackets. Use one or the other, preferably the brackets.
 * Rather than the top of the page you should place the photos at appropriate places in the article.
 * —teb728 t c 23:23, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


 * The article is Jan Więckowski. I have arranged for the pictures to be visible in the article. You may want to move them to more appropriate places. I hope that you will translate the captions into English. Maproom (talk) 06:14, 5 August 2014 (UTC)