Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 December 4

= December 4 =

my page deleted
I created the page n after that i recieved the congratulations msg from wikipedia but unfortunately my page deleted by wikipedia's Administrator .. I want to creat that back Pleas tell me how can i creat again with protection .thank u — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaudharyarslan (talk • contribs) 18:43, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has many administrators. You can ask politely for the article that was deleted to be restored as a userspace draft. The procedure is outlined at Requests for undeletion. As long as you didn't violate copyright, you can usually get the article back to work on, but you must solve whatever problem, such as neutral point of view or reliable sources, to get the article approved, or it will just be deleted again. If the article is very promotional, you have to remove the promotional language. If the topic is not notable, there's nothing you can do.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:26, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Home page, Random?
I was given a suggestion to make Wikipedia my home page so that it gives a random Wikipedia article every time. How can i do this? --Lloyd Miller — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.238.244.249 (talk) 00:39, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Easy: Add this as your home page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Randompage --Aspro (talk) 00:50, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

CS1 date error at Development of the New Testament canon
The last paragraph of the lead of Development of the New Testament canon contains several CS1 date errors ("Check date values in: |date= (help)". For example, the citation  renders as "".  According to MOS:DATERANGE the preferred form would be "c. 303 – c. 325", although that produces the same error.  "303–325" works, but omits the circa.  "c. 303" works, but omits the range.  I've tried various other combinations without success.  I assume this is some overzealous editing somewhere in the bowels of template:citation, but I've not yet managed to follow that code far enough to find where, yet.  Any suggestions?  Rwessel (talk) 01:29, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Ask at Help talk:Citation Style 1. --  Gadget850talk 02:09, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Safe (secure) contribution to Wikipedia
Can I safely make a contribution to your fundraiser online using your "Dear Wikipedia Readers" form, i.e., giving my name, address, email address and credit card information, or do you recommend some other method of making a monetary donation without publishing my confidential information? As a willing donor, I await your early response.04:55, 4 December 2014 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.39.37 (talk)
 * You can send a check through the mail if you wish. The address is


 * Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
 * 149 New Montgomery Street Floor 6
 * San Francisco, CA 94105
 * USA - A Wild Abigail Appears!  Capture me.   Moves.  07:26, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Every page here has a "Donate to Wikipedia" link, near the top of the left sidebar. That leads to a page with various secure payment methods. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:47, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

United States Phantom F4 Livery and museum locations
There are at least two Phantom f4's at the Pima Air and Space Museum, Tucson, Arizona. One is inside with Thunderbird white and red livery (7).

clintwmt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clintwmt (talk • contribs) 05:55, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You can mention that on the talk page of the article to which you want that statement added, with a reliable source to that effect. It isn't obvious whether you want that mentioned in an article about the airplane or in an article about the museum.  If the museum's own web page mentions the airplanes, that would be a reliable source for that purpose.  What article do you want updated?  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:21, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Rope strange redirection
A very specific term Rope (torture) appears a redir to a general Rope which in turn says nothing about a rope torture. What should I do about that? --CiaPan (talk) 08:51, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Suggestions: if you have enough information for an article with that title, then write one. If you have enough for a section in the rope article, add that. Otherwise, just leave it as it is. Britmax (talk) 08:56, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * A brief article did exist until replaced by a redirect in 2009. Because the redirect seems inappropriate I have reverted it. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:03, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref
i just need to confirm the correct place of birth for my sister son who is chris bush born in london not leytonstone 31.51.176.124 (talk) 11:59, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, Leytonstone is an area in London. From what I can see on the internet, he was born in Leytonstone in London. - Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 12:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The error message in Chris Bush (English footballer) says " Cite error: A (see the help page). " and in the error message the blue text "help page" is a wikilink to the specific help page which describes the problem. The problem was caused by  which added a to terminate it.  You need to undue that edit, and you can then address the mismatched brackets from an earlier edit which broke the wikilink for "London".  As for the change which you were trying to make, the previous text had a reference, which you have left in there;  if that reference is inaccurate, you will need to provide evidence of a more reliable published source to justify your change. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:23, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

type size
I am only 56 years old and have to struggle to read the font size on your pages. I was considering donating to Wikipedia but changed my mind for this reason. (The font on this message page is more readable than your pages.)

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1205:C6A7:3B60:F4A3:D330:A628:690 (talk) 13:41, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The size of type displayed is set by your browser, not by Wikipedia. The instructions for whatever internet browser you use show how to increase the size of the type displayed. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  13:44, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * In most browsers, + will increase the font size.--ukexpat (talk) 17:02, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Correct, and + will reduce it and + (zero) will return it to 'normal' size. Alternatively, holding and rolling a mouse Scroll wheel up↑ will also increase the font size (and vice-versa). This works for Google Chrome, Firefox, and Internet Explorer. As Orange Mike says, it is possible to set the Browser so the size of the font will appear as you want/need it. Something like Open Menu-Settings-Advanced settings-Web content (Chrome) or Tools-Options-Content (Firefox) may be what you want. --220  of  Borg 08:57, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Changer le nom de la page Wikipédia Epsilometer test pour Etest®
request edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsilometer_test Biomerieux (talk) 14:25, 4 December 2014 (UTC) Biomerieux (talk) 13:54, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Could you please rename the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsilometer_test to Etest®? Because Epsilometer test is not the official name. Etest® is the official name. Thank you very much, Charlotte Biomerieux (talk) 14:25, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Moved to Etest per common and official name. --Neil N  talk to me 14:47, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * And we do not use ® in Wikipedia.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:36, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of article "Mara Aranda" English version
The above mentioned article was tagged for speedy deletion for copyright reasons. Indeed, a large part of the text is a copy of the biography that appears on the website www.mara-aranda.com. I affirm that I, Christopher Baxter, am the manager and representative of the artist in question and have permission to use said subject material. Contacting the artist will confirm this and she will be happy to forward the relevant letter of consent. Thanks for your time and best wishes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madam trobairitz (talk • contribs) 15:07, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Never mind the copyright issue, you have a Conflict of Interest, you need to read WP:COI as soon as possible. - X201 (talk) 15:30, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * ... and on the copyright issue, your affirmation here is no help. The process for donating copyrighted material is referred to in the message which you received on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The use of copyrighted material on Wikipedia from web sites or books is not easy to work. Wikipedia will only allow copyrighted material if the material has been released under a Creative Commons copyleft for use anywhere else.  Copyright owners sometimes assume that releasing the copyrighted material for use on Wikipedia only is sufficient.  It is not.  The release has to permit general reuse.  In this case, the artist may not want to release the biography for general reuse, and we do not allow it to be released only for Wikipedia.  Also, even if the copyrighted material could be used, copyrighted material taken from private web sites is usually too promotional and non-neutral to meet Wikipedia's standards.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:15, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Importing image files and Chemboxes for articles
How do I get, retrieve, and insert an image file (png format) and chembox for the article 5-Hydroxyicosatetraenoic acid and 5-oxo-eicosatetraenoic acid? The article already has them for 5-Hydroxyicosatetraenoic acid but also needs them for 5-oxo-eicosatetraenoic acid. I do and also will have similar needs for other chemicals in other articles and therefore would like to know the general method for this. If you could instruct me on this or give me a site which does so, I'd be grateful. Thanks, Joflaher — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joflaher (talk • contribs) 16:36, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello, . If you click through the image, you should be able to find which user uploaded it: you could ask them how it was created. --ColinFine (talk) 17:03, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the use of a copyrighted image that I have permission to use
I have asked the owner of an image for permission to use it on the Lawrie Sanchez page as there are no other images available in the public domain/for free.

The owner's reply was "I don't have any objections to you using that image on his Wikipedia page, as long as you include my copyright line in the text associated with the image as follows: Image © Gary Hynard 2007".

Is it acceptable policy to put this copyright info underneath the image on a Wikipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chairboy73 (talk • contribs) 16:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * That's not sufficient - a release must be for all purposes, including commercial reuse. See WP:DCM. Even if it was OK, per WP:CAPTION that text would be appropriate only on the image information page, not in an article caption. --ukexpat (talk) 17:04, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * (ec) Hello, . I'm afraid the answer is no. Permission to use for Wikipedia is not acceptable: the point of Wikipedia is that it is a free resource, so as a rule any material must be licensed for use by anybody for any purpose, including commercial use. If the owner is willing to license it under a suitable licence, they should follow the procedure in donating copyright materials. In certain cases Wikipedia uses copyright material under a 'fair use' justification: if this route is taken, the owner is not involved in the process, but all the terms in the non-free content criteria must apply, including that there is unlikely ever to be a suitable free image. Since Lawrie Sanchez is living, this condition is unlikely ever to hold, as somebody could snap him any time and release the image. --ColinFine (talk) 17:12, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * There is a common misconception that the owner of a copyright can release either text or an image for use in Wikipedia without releasing it for general use. Text and images, with exceptions, can only be used in Wikipedia if they have been released for general use under a Creative Commons copyleft.  One of the exceptions, as mentioned, for images, is if there is unlikely ever to be a free image, but, as noted, that doesn't apply to images of living persons.  The idea that text or a picture can be released solely for use on Wikipedia is a common misconception.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:59, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Information about deleted articles
If I'm interested in the history of a deleted article - who created it, how long did it exist? - is there a permitted and rather simple way to find out? Or did the history "die" with the article, and only admins are supposed to see it again? --KnightMove (talk) 16:59, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It is my understanding that the history of a deleted article is deleted so that only administrators can see it. The deletion history of the article is a matter of record, as is the deletion discussion if the deletion was by articles for deletion.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:55, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * KnightMove, the history does "die" with the article. However, any admin can provide you with this kind of data; just ask one of us at our talk pages (e.g. mine), and most admins will be happy to help you.  Nyttend (talk) 18:16, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

La Barque Creek MO, CDP
Earlier today I sent an overview of the area we know as La Barque Creek MO. It was recognized by the Missouri Board of Geographic Names in 2010. It was also identified as a Census designated Place (CDP) by the US Bureau of The Census in 2010.

I'm wondering if you received the information I sent earlier?--Ron Nuetzel (talk) 17:55, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You put the draft article on a subpage of your user talk page. I suggest that you put the draft article in Draft space (see WP:Drafts) instead and request that it be reviewed, after taking out the first person statements ("I am a member"), and adding references to reliable sources, such as Missouri Board of Geographic Names and the census designation.  With some work, it does appear that an article can be developed.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:03, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * For info, the draft is at User talk:Ron Nuetzel/LaBarque Creek MO CDP. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:07, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Saidur Rahman Choudhury
Saidur Rahman Choudhury is a Social Work educator. He hailed from Hailakndi District of Assam. He completed his Higher Secondary education from S.S.College one of the Premier institute of southern part of Assam. He graduated from Assam University,(a Central University) Silchar. He also did MSW(Master of Social Work) from the same University in the year 2012. He specialized in the field of Family and Child Welfare.He is the first Master Degree Holder in his village. His father Mr. Abdur Rahman Choudhury is a retired L.P.School teacher. His interest area also includes rural development,disaster management human resource development, employees welfare, correctional setting. His article has been published in many times in the university yearly magazine. Saidur Rahman Choudhury also published "Role of Younger generation in politics" in local dailies Samayik Prasanga Presently he as an District Family Planning Coordinator of Dhemaji District under National Health Mission, Assam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.218.195.30 (talk) 18:46, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * If this is intended as a stub biography of a living person, you will need to provide references to reliable sources. If you are related to the person, please read the conflict of interest policy.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:17, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

User Page picture?
I understand that the guidelines at WP:UP prohibit using our personal user pages as a social media site, but are we allowed to upload, say, a small photo thumbnail of ourselves if we want to use on our user page? GSMR (talk) 18:52, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't see why not, if for identification purposes only. Using your user page as a personal photograph gallery goes against Wikipedia's rules, but you should be allowed to upload a single simple photograph of yourself. Myself, I prefer to remain completely anonymous. J I P  &#124; Talk 19:57, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I also don't know of any prohibition on this, but many users do have a photo on their Userpage. (whether it is actually the editor is another thing. Sometimes they would be better off not uploading their picture!) If you start uploading the entire family photo album though, it is very likely to be noticed and questioned. See also wp:NOTWEBHOST. A JIP says about anonymity, you need to consider privacy issues as once your picture is on the internet, it will be hard to totally erase it if you later change your mind. For example, users have been subjected to harassment in real life because of their editing activities on Wikipedia. --220  of  Borg 09:12, 5 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I think it's perfectly acceptable - many users have such pictures and provided you are not holding a sign saying "come and shop at my used car lot" you should be OK.--ukexpat (talk) 14:46, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Help with adding an image
Would appreciate if someone could help. I created 1966 Tashkent earthquake and would like to add an image prior to nominating it at WP:DYK. I had a look around other Wikis and found this one at the Uzbek wiki, but can't seem to add it. Failing that, I also found a map at the Ukrainian wiki at the bottom of the infobox here, but can't seem to get the coding right for the map to show. Would appreciate it if someone could help with this. Valenciano (talk) 19:22, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You can't use images from other language Wikipedias. Only images on en.wikipedia and images on Commons can be used.  RudolfRed (talk) 19:30, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, didn't notice it wasn't linked to Commons. What about the map then? Valenciano (talk) 19:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The uploader Commons:User:NordNordWest is still active on Commons. You could ask them to transfer the map to Commons (license-wise the file seems completely OK). Of course you could do it yourself, but the original summary page contains a lot of information and it might be easier for the original uploader to do a proper transfer (possibly the map is already on Commons, and I just didn't see it). GermanJoe (talk) 23:01, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Question about creating an article about a Finnish song
There is a well-known Finnish children's song fi:Hottentottilaulu, a 1961 Finnish translation from a Norwegian song. It is a happy and humorous song about the Khoikhoi, although filled with stereotypes, which seemed completely innocent at the time, but which are seen as somewhat racist today. I have always seen it as a simple children's song, with an addictive melody, and believe it was not intended as racist. Should I translate the article to English? If so, how would I title it? The Finnish title literally means "the Hottentot song", from Hottentotti "Hottentot" and laulu "song". J I P &#124; Talk 19:50, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Whether a subject is racist, or in other respects objectionable, is of no consequence for whether Wikipedia may have an article about it: all that is required is that it be notable. If the article in the Finnish Wikipedia is adequately referenced by the standards of English Wikipedia, then by all means translate it. If you can find any reliable sources in English, so much the better, but Finnish ones are acceptable as long as they are reliable and properly support the information that they purport to. See Translation. Note that the article should not contain any discussion of whether the song is or isn't racist unless a reliable source discusses the question . --ColinFine (talk) 23:27, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Technical Issue - Unable to get User Analysis
As one looking forward to knowing how near I am to my milestone 4000 pages edited, I have been unable last 2 days to access my User Analysis (wmflabs) tool. Is it just me or is this widespread issue at moment. The response I get is that memory is exhausted, how could this be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cloptonson (talk • contribs) 21:57, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * If you mean https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/ec/?user=Cloptonson&project=en.wikipedia.org then it currently works for me but the Xtools have been unstable since mid October. It currently says 3,943 pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:49, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Serious problems with my log in
I am currently having very severe problems with my log-in on both Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons. It started happening suddenly yesterday, but the same thing happened six months ago and back then it went on for about 2 weeks before it got better, which happened more or less spontaneously bit by bit. Here is what is is going on:

I am losing my logged-in status AND MY PASSWORD VALIDITY, numerous times each hour. Every time I open a new window or even just go away from the computer for 20 minutes and then click back in again, the software drops my log-in. Then my current password no longer works to log me back in, so I have to request a temporary password AND THEN CREATE A NEW PASSWORD again and again and again several times an hour every hour.

I am on a Mac with OS X Yosemite, version 10.10.1. I was using Safari, but I just now switched to Firefox to see if that would make a difference, but it really didn't help very much at all.

This is extremely difficult and extremely time-consuming; it makes working almost impossible especially because I was uploading images to Commons and then putting them in place on Wikipedia

When this happened 6 months ago, I couldn't find anyone who had any idea what could be causing this, or had any idea how to fix it. Using my talk page is very difficult right now because of this, but i can at least look and see what people are saying here..

I very much appreciate any help anyone could give me. Invertzoo (talk) 22:05, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Some ideas have been posted at your thread at VPT. I suggest you keep the discussion in one place. -- John of Reading (talk) 22:09, 4 December 2014 (UTC)