Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 February 1

= February 1 =

Featured article by author
There used to be a list of featured articles by author (i.e. stars denoting the number of articles put up by a user at WP:FAC. Does anyone have the link? Thanks 199.71.174.200 (talk) 00:46, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I think what you're looking for is List of Wikipedians by featured article nominations. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:30, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Impro-Visor
On this page: Impro-Visor there are notations of Unknown Parameters in the References section. There are 5 references. I would like to fix those problems, but when I open the Edit, there are no references listed. I don't understand how those references are even being displayed currently. Do I have to completely reenter them? Rmkeller (talk) 02:17, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * @Rmkeller:  When you are reading an article and see a references section near the bottom populated by a series of numbered citations, you might think that if you edit the page, you will see those citations typed in that section and be able to edit them. However, normally what you will see is code similar to this:      ==References==     or , which will display when you save as Wikipedia. I suggest taking a tour through the Tutorial to learn about these and other basics of editing Wikipedia. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:37, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The template cite web does not support a cite= parameter, other more specific parameters must be used, such as work=, publisher= and year=. See the template page linked above for details. DES (talk) 23:34, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Scott B & Beth B
I would like to know how to create a page that is just about Beth B. I haven't worked with Scott B for 30 years and have an extensive career in film and art that I would like to createBeth B productions (talk) 02:55, 1 February 2014 (UTC) a new solo page. How do I do this? Please let me know.

Thanks Beth B Beth B productions (talk) 02:55, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Choose a different platform than here? Facebook or linkedin might be good for you. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:01, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * It's probably not a great idea for you to create an article about yourself. We frown upon editing when you have a conflict of interest and people get really defensive when writing unobjectively about themselves, if you can imagine that. It's a bad scene. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:04, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello Beth. I think you're talking about the existing article Scott B and Beth B and suggesting that, since the bulk of your work has been done independently, there should be a separate standalone article about your production company rather than just a section in the existing article.  In principle this could happen, in the same way that we have separate articles about Sonny & Cher, Cher and Sonny Bono.  To be acceptable, a separate article about Beth B. would need to show that the subject fulfils the Wikipedia notability criteria in its own right.  However, your conflict of interest means you are not the best person to write it.  You could make a request at WP:Requested articles, but the backlog there is huge and a swift response is unlikely.  Alternatively, you could draft a Beth B article, remembering to cite reliable sources and demonstrate notability, and submit it for review at Articles for creation, being upfront about your connection to the subject.  The easiest way to do this is via the WP:Article wizard.  By the way, your username is likely to attract attention as it is unfortunately in breach of policy, and it may be blocked.  Wikipedia requires that all accounts be held by individuals, so names that suggest someone is editing on behalf of an organisation or company are not permitted.  This is not a reflection on you personally and you are encouraged to choose a personal username and edit from that instead.  I hope this helps.  Feel free to ask for more help if you need it.  Regards,  Ka renjc (talk) 09:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

pre pay tolls
i am coming to sydney in april and would like to pre pay the toll for the south western mwy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.213.149.247 (talk) 03:11, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Time for the astray template...
 * Hello, I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:00, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello, I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:00, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Help - Article not posted on the wikipedia?
URL: User:Skydome08/sandbox I have edited my article "Sultana Islam" as advised, see URL User:Skydome08/sandbox, but it is still not available on the main wiki page. Need help as to why it is not posted?

Skydome08 (talk) 04:57, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not in the main space because you didn't put it there. There's some serious formatting issues, but the topic seems to me to be notable.  See WP:MOVE for information on how to move a page at Wikipedia.  Just move the page to the title of the article you want.  At Wikipedia, there is no required formal review process.  You just do what needs to be done yourself.  However, also be aware that other people will come along and do what needs to be done to any work you submit, including editing, changing, cleaning up, and possibly deleting it.  -- Jayron  32  05:45, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * User has to request it because they're not autoconfirmed. - Purplewowies (talk) 06:04, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Or they could fix 10 spelling errors and chill for 4 days... -- Jayron  32  06:16, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * ...Indeed. Though they'd really just need to fix 7 and not chill at all. - Purplewowies (talk) 07:35, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * There is indeed much to do on the draft. You need to look at formatting, see WP:Manual of Style, how to implement wikilinks, references, and where external links are acceptable.  Note also that Wikipedia is not acceptable as a reference, see WP:circular.  There are a number of further useful links in the welcome message on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:55, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Way to pull up a file list?
Is there a way to pull up a list of files based on the number of revisions/new versions (the file itself, not the page) it's had? Thanks for any input. - Purplewowies (talk) 05:54, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Or even just a log of new version uploads? - Purplewowies (talk) 18:48, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Saving articles
How do I save articles on my ipad? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.122.230.140 (talk) 08:49, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't use an iPad, so I'm not sure how well this works, but Wikipedia's Official App allows you to browse articles and save them for offline reading later on. ~Super Hamster  Talk Contribs 09:12, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

WP:NOTAFORUM
What happens if Users disregard WP:NOTAFORUM using article talk, to argue on a topic unrelated to the topic or the article improvement e.g. Article on UN Partition Plan 1947, while discussion relates to Palestine in Ancient period(200BCE) ?

What can be done after noting that it's not a forum? am I allowed to remove it as "spam"?--PLNR (talk) 09:16, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * This refers to this thread, I believe. - Ka renjc (talk) 09:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You can follow the guidance of WP:TPG. Such as  " Off-topic posts: If a discussion goes off-topic (per the above subsection #How to use article talk pages), the general practice is to hide it by using the templates and collapse bottom or similar templates. This normally stops the off-topic discussion, while allowing people to read it by pressing the "show" link. At times, it may make sense to move off-topic posts to a more appropriate talk page. It is still common to simply delete gibberish, rants about the article subject (as opposed to its treatment in the article) and test edits, as well as harmful or prohibited material as described above. Another form of refactoring is to move a thread of entirely personal commentary between two editors to the talk page of the editor who started the off-topic discussion. Your idea of what is off topic may be at variance with what others think is off topic; be sure to err on the side of caution." 
 * And given the particular article, continued violations can be taken to WP:AE -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:13, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You might also warn them on their own talk pages like other types of disruptive editing (i.e. with Uw-chat2) if it continues, provided you don't go for one of the heavier actions above. - Purplewowies (talk) 18:09, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, i'll keep this in mind.--PLNR (talk) 20:16, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Licking county children services and there neglect!!!!!!
I would like to know why licking county children services is being so narrow minded when it comes to a woman who has had children services at her house 7 years in a row for drug abuse neglect, domestic violence and yet doesn't even have to be drug tested and yet her husband lost his son and is looking at several charges due to her lies and manipulation with the law enforcement and children services she is wrecking my friends life when he is innocent and she is the one guilty. Is there anything that can be done?????????. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.186.79.152 (talk • contribs)


 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  11:50, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Also note that Wikipedia has strict policies regarding what one can post about a living person on any page of Wikipedia. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  11:52, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

dicussion-EGLISE VIEILLE CATHOLIQUE ROMAINE
Good morning,we have been alerted by your readers of the above material found on your site.There never was an implantation of the EGLISE VIEILLE CATHOLIQUE ROMAINE in France or an attempt to do so eg the formation of a diocese etc.The AOSJ ( ST.HIRST) who seems to have implanted this articile to draw attention to itself was briefly under our supervision but was excommunicated for various reasons on 06.06.04.While reading the page I found all of my personal information exposed as well that for some reason only known to the AOSJ "AS NOW ORTHODOX "was posted.In order to avoid any future misunderstanding we request that this page be removed.As it could continue to give false information concerning our Church's mission.We will create a more accurate page with correct information once this page has been deleted. Thank you + Luke Amadeo osf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.121.153.233 (talk) 11:54, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello. This is the English Wikipedia.  The article talk page you are asking about is at the French Wikipedia.  We have no control over what happens on other language Wikipedias, and you will need to raise your concerns there, not here.  There is a help links page at fr:Aide:Sommaire that may get you started. -  Ka renjc (talk) 12:09, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Could you please clarify which page on the English Wikipedia you are talking about? If you are talking about the talk page Discussion:Église vieille-catholique romaine in the French Wikipedia, you would need to raise it there on the French Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:15, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * As David Biddulph notes above, OP may be referring to the talk page on French Wikipedia. However, there is nothing about Luke Amadeo, William F. (Luke Amadeo) Iezzi, or EGLISE VIEILLE CATHOLIQUE ROMAINE in France on that page. "AOSJ ( ST.HIRST)" may refer to the Apostolic Order of St. John led by the Prior General of Saint George Hirst. :This article says that the L'Old Roman Catholic Church (Église vieille-catholique romaine) was born in France and Holland. I tried searching out the text -- AOSJ "AS NOW ORTHODOX" -- in Wikipedia, but could not find it. This article mentions "BISHOP LUKE AMADEO IEZZI, A.O.S.J.". Please identify what page you are referring to or where "all of my personal information exposed" material could be found on this site. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:31, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The talk page in question does indeed namecheck the OP and give details of his career, in the second thread. He should pursue this via the help process or OTRS at the French Wikipedia.  - Ka renjc (talk) 17:16, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * If you are concerned about your personal information being exposed, you should probably instead of posting here, use the WP:OTRS process. You will however, need to be specific in your contact with the OTRS about where and what information has been made public, by providing a link to the article at a minimum.  --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  14:29, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Gridiron football card
Hi! I'm doing new pages patrol and I came to this article: Gridiron football card. The subject seems notable to me, but the problem is that most of the article was copied from another article's section: Trading_card. The page history of the original article is not kept, so this is a copyrights violation. What should I do in this case? How to attribute new article (Gridiron football card) to the authors of the original article (Trading card)? Vanjagenije (talk) 13:06, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I made a dummy edit to the Gridiron football card article per repairing insufficient attribution. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:05, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, Jreferee! I didn't know it's so simple. Now, when I read WP:RIA, I also added to article's talk page. Vanjagenije (talk) 14:50, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

On a related note, shouldnt it be placed Football card? per COMMONNAME no one calls them "Gridiron football cards". -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  17:18, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It appears that Gridiron football card has been redirected to Football card as TPRoD suggests. That is to be expected in North America, where "football" usually refers to what is elsewhere called gridiron football.  There doesn't seem to be a problem as to naming, since the redirection is working.  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:53, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with the move. In searching out Gridiron football cards, I only found one reference, and that reference calls them vintage football cards. World wide, football and gridiron have multiple meanings. Also, sports cards are a form of trading cards, and football sports trading cards are referred to as Gridiron football at Trading card likely to distinguish it from association football and Australian rules football. In the categories, American football and Canadian football‎ are both forms of gridiron football, which is not really used to mean American football and Canadian football‎. The football article is about "a number of sports that involve, to varying degrees, kicking a ball with the foot to score a goal." At present soccer redirects to association football. I don't think there is any real clear solution, but having Football card is an improvement over what we previously had. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:27, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Template:HD
For those working the help desk, there is a variety of standard help desk replies at Template:HD (thanks to Dendodge, Gadget850 and others). -- Jreferee (talk) 14:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow, these are great! Thanks all! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:05, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * A fuller list is below, of which is one:


 * The first list has the great advantage that it shows, very clearly, what all the templates it lists are and what they do. The second list leads to pages which probably contain similar information, but make it quite hard to extract. So, my thanks to Dendodge, Gadget850, Jreferee and others. Maproom (talk) 10:29, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Uh, yes, if you're looking for a format that shows the output they are all listed at Help desk/Templates. Not sure how to take that response.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:12, 3 February 2014 (UTC)


 * There is also Help desk templates navbox which probably needs updating.--ukexpat (talk) 17:46, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Aiuto
Quando apro il server il mio samp mi mostra info,avvisi,ecc... Ma non mi da il login. Per favore aiutatemi!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.113.200.180 (talk) 17:02, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, this is the English Wikipedia. Maybe try: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Login Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:07, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Article on Jhulelal
I'm new here. I got a message, 'A (see the help page).' when I inserted 2 references in the last section of the article (Legacy). Try as I might, I am not able to fix it. I therefore request someone to help. Thanks.—Khabboos (talk) 17:58, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You were missing a closing ref tag . I placed one where I think it goes, but feel free to move it so that it sits appropriately at the end of the content that is supposed to be the footnote citation. --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  18:09, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Need to make a disambiguation page + redirect for "Tatau"
+"Tatau" will redirect to "Tatau (town)".

+Redirect & hatnote:

"Tatau" redirects here. For other uses, see Tatau (disambiguation).

+Disambig page:

Tatau may refer to:


 * [ [Tattoo] ] +(remove the spaces between brackets)


 * Tatau, Samoan tattoo, see [ [Pe'a] ] +(remove the spaces between brackets)


 * Tatau, a town in Malaysia, see [ [Tatau (town)] ] +(remove the spaces between brackets)

"+" means: Not to be inserted on Wikipedia, although some redirect, hatnote & disambig codes will be necessary.--78.156.109.166 (talk) 20:01, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * We currently have Tatau, an article about the town. We have Pe'a an article about the body decoration, with a hatnote directing people from the town article. We don't generally create disabiguation pages for only two subjects, particularly when they have significantly different article titles, as these two do. On looking further I find Tatau Island and indeed Tatau (disambiguation), so i am not clear what change you want made? DES (talk) 22:49, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I have added some additional links to Tatau (disambiguation) and updated the hatnote on the Tatau article. Does that deal with your concern? DES (talk) 23:17, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You missed making a disambiguation link to "Tattoo". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.156.109.166 (talk) 20:19, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Concern
Just a quick question. Why is your Biblical information always accompanied by pictures of Europeans in the roles of Biblical characters? Most of the ancient Biblical characters were Afro-Asiatic. Moses, Jesus, the Apostle Paul, just to name a few were all men of color. It is a misleading to portray these individuals as White and it diminishes the integrity of the information being provided. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.142.29.241 (talk) 21:43, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * We tend to use well known historical and artistic portrayals of such figures, there being no photos available, and many such portray the subjects as European. If you have specific alternate images to suggest, do so on the talk pages of the articles involved, there is nothing saying that current images cannot be changed. DES (talk) 22:41, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) First, articles on religious topics tend to portray religious figures as they are most commonly depicted in sources (including by, for example, adherents of the religion). Second, we can only use existing illustrations, and many of these do indeed have a White European bias. You could update some articles by replacing existing images with more authentic ones that are already on Wikimedia Commons, or you could upload such more authentic images yourself if they can be freely licensed.


 * I'm not at all sure that it's accurate to describe the Jewish population of Palestine in the first century AD as "Afro-Asiatic". --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:43, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * No it probably isn't -- "Semitic" might be more accurate. I suspect that physically such people looked not unlike modern Arabs, but I don't really know. The OP is correct, however that the were not European. But for better or worse, the articles are not just about the people who lived in biblical times, but about how those people have been viewed since then. DES (talk) 22:53, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * As a technical point, without disputing the OP's point, the individuals in question almost certainly did belong to the so-called Caucasian race, also known as White, although they were not European and so were probably dark-skinned in comparison with Europeans. (That is, there are dark-skinned Caucasians, such as Middle Eastern, and fair-skinned Caucasian, such as European.)  The OP is mostly correct, and so is the answer that the representations are in European religious art.  I concur with DES.  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * A great deal of ethnicly realistic art is still under copyright, and hence not not usable on Wikipedia. tahc chat 23:09, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

When it comes to biblical figures, I will concede that one of the shortcomings of many articles is that there is rarely a sufficient discussion of iconography and the subject's depiction over the span of time. It is something that I consider as I write articles (or plan to write articles) on religious topics, I aim (in the interests of comprehensiveness) to include such a discussion for articles I plan to revise. Just a few lengthy comments: So going forward, do know that I (among others) am sensitive to historical accuracy. When I select an image from art to use as the first image in an article, I aim toward as much symbolism as possible for a lede image--I very rarely consider the ethnic attributes because the focus for me is the story. Throughout an article, I think a wide variety of images should be included--the variety of depictions and traditions. I would not be averse to including several diverse artistic representations of figures if quality images were available, however that shouldn't be an invitation for images that have no historical basis whatsoever just to satisfy a desire for ethnic-inclusiveness if none exists (i.e. I wouldn't endorse the revisionist black-nationalist view of Jesus as "having hair like wool and skin of bronze" that emerged in militant liberation theology dialogues to claim "Jesus was Black" in the 1960s and based off an entirely inaccurate interpretation of a biblical passage). Although, if an article on a biblical figure had exclusively white images, for me it would be an invitation to an editor looking to revise the article to seek other images for a discussion the range of artistic depictions of the figure.--ColonelHenry (talk) 23:30, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Nevertheless, I have to agree with Demiurge1000 that the description of "Afro-Asiatic" is not accurate,and such a claim leans toward a revisionist bias to which we should not be giving undue weight since it is a view that doesn't have much currency in scholarly discussions.
 * Also I would tend to shy away from a pronouncement as loaded as the phrase "men of colour" given some of the implications of it and prefer we don't speak in rhetorical clichés or euphemisms.
 * Historically, most biblical figures were men with the ethnic and physiological characteristics of those who lived in the Levant--I don't dispute that. Conventional wisdom is they looked quite like Palestinians, Egyptians, Arabs, or Greeks do today (I would avoid comparing them to modern Turks because of physiological characteristics common to Central Asians).
 * As to the use of Caucasian figures, most of the extant Christian art is Euro-centric, and especially by Northern European artists (i.e. Northern Europeans being more white than the olive-complexioned Mediterranean peoples). Further, European artists tended to include most or all of the symbolism associated with biblical figures in their works. We do have our share of Black Madonna images, and some non-white images of Christian figures, but given that most of the art available on Wikipedia (esp. Commons) is from European artists, and those uploaded images tend to be better quality images, it's more likely that a European depiction would be selected by many of our editors.
 * Also, the images that are on many of these articles have not been changed in years--when there were fewer images available. Most have not been changed even if other images are available (that tends to happen--editors rarely switch out images). Many of those biblical figure articles do not get much attention from editors--many have not revised or reorganised significantly in years.
 * Further, I know from my own personal experience editing, I tend to select an image that (a) is a familiar depiction (pose, story) or a well-known artist, (b) depicts the subject distinctively (i.e. a depiction that would be recognized by a slightly-knowledgeable person that it's the subject, not a general image. Like being able to tell St Bartholomew from St Andrew), and (c) depicts many elements/symbols associated with the subject to bolster the recognizability in (b). One of my goals this year is improving the articles on Christ's apostles (one at a time) and I've thought about the ethnic depictions in a the selection of images.
 * I think there have been some very insightful comments above. I also want to chime in as a fairly prolific writer of articles on biblical characters, as well as someone constantly on the lookout for pictures. I wrote the article on Sisera's mother, and added the only free image I could find. It just so happens that she looks fairly Middle Eastern to my eyes, but I would want to be careful about adopting stereotypes as to what Middle Easterners look like. The other thing is, many European artists have depicted biblical characters as "oriental" - witness, for example, Rembrandt's picture at Jonathan (1 Samuel). where Jonathan is rather quaintly dressed in a turban. StAnselm (talk) 00:48, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Firstly, we don't know what Biblical characters really looked like, let alone their skin tone. Secondly, we should not be following some politically correct agenda, but reflecting the sources as far as copyright and availability allow. --Bermicourt (talk) 09:22, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


 * 50.142.29.241 - WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE provides a basis for choosing images for use in an article. Arguing a content standard that it is "misleading to portray these individuals as White and it diminishes the integrity of the information being provided" may set up a discussion that pits one personal view against another personal view, where each is trying to prove that their view meets a content standard that is not one of Wikipedia's policies/guidelines, etc. That sets up a potential path of hostility and provides an inconsistent approach to article content. Instead, the requirements of WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE can and should be used to present your position, e.g., images should look like what they are meant to illustrate, images used need not be provably authentic images, editors are encouraged to seek a reasonable level of variety in the age, gender, and race of any people depicted. In general, images place in an article are there to support the relevant text, which itself is strives to be an objective summary/survey of the relevant literature. The article itself should not be used as a means of advocacy or promotion. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:51, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Medium spaces in mathematical formulas causing error without MathJax
In LaTeX math mode, the symbol \: makes a medium space. It works fine with MathJax, but it seems that when logged out (where I assume Wikipedia tries to create PNG images), the formulas have an error.

Example (displays error when logged out, MathJax properly displays single blank space):

$$\:$$

-- Hofmic &#91;Talk &#124; Contrib&#93; 22:55, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * If WP:MATH is anything to go on, the medium space is "not supported." Other than that, I'm not sure. If you can't get any other responses here, you could try raising this issue at the technical section of the village pump. --User:Anon126 (talk - contribs) 18:13, 2 February 2014 (UTC)