Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 February 26

= February 26 =

Query re Revision History pages
I notice that although two small edits I made this week to two Wiki articles have obviously been accepted (because the current Wiki articles appear with those edits), they are listed in the Revision History pages for those articles with "(undo)" beside them. Why is this? P123cat1 (talk) 00:13, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Every edit has "undo" next to it. See WP:UNDO C T F 8 3 !  00:20, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Indeed. And your edits have not "been accepted", in any active sense. It's just that no-one has seen fit to revert or change them. I had a quick look at your edits to articles myself, and found four. Three were, in my view, clear improvements. One I considered a change very slightly for the worse, but certainly not to the point where I will do anything about it. This is, I would say, par for the course or better. I am certainly happy enough myself if three-quarters of my edits survive in the long term. Maproom (talk) 07:40, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for that information, Maproom. I don't know if the practice of putting (undo) beside edits in the list is new. I have made edits in the past, but have never noticed this before. (I am curious to know which edit you found not so good, but if it is difficult for you look it up, please don't bother - you have better things to do with your time!) P123cat1 (talk) 21:00, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Two pages I created
Can you look at the two pages I created and tell me what is wrong with them?

The name of the pages are: Raymie Muzquiz and Chris Reccardi — Preceding unsigned comment added by StephenCezar15 (talk • contribs) 00:49, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, I fixed the references format issue. You had the reflist template in the right place but you were trying to call a reference after that.  All references must be before the reflist.  But you still have not provided references to secondary sources which show that the people are notable per Wikipedia's guidelines.  See WP:BIO for what makes a person notable and how to show it in the article.  Dismas |(talk) 00:59, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Paul Gilbert had 2 daughters from previous marriages Susan Gilbert and Gigi Gilbert.
Hi, I need to edit my father's Wikipedia page....My name is Susan M. Gilbert, I am the first daughter of Paul Gilbert(actor) and Patti Jean Ross, I was born in Denver, CO (Redacted) 1950. I deserve to be added to his information... I can provide proof of my birth-right. Patti Jean Ross was also a famous dancer. They were divorced when I was 1 year old. Paul also has another daughter, Gigi Gilbert, born in 1952. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srandallink (talk • contribs) 01:28, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You will need to provide published reliable sources that support such claims. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  01:38, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Lauren Powers
Hi Help Desk. I represent entertainment personality Lauren Powers. And I was asked to look into repetitive forced changes to her Wiki page.

Someone keeps maliciously changing her birthdate on her Wiki page to attempt to reflect her to be 5 years older than she really is. She was born in 1962, and this is supported by her California Drivers License.

Lauren has competitor interests that are trying to keep her from being successful with her own line of National Fitness Competitions, and we believe they are changing the date to sabotage her and adversely affect her TV, Film and commercial bookings in Hollywood.

How can we permanently change the Wiki entry to reflect the birth year of 1962, and NOT 1958 that it keeps getting changed to? Is there a way to verify this and then lock it out from future changes? 1962 is accurate. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heshion (talk • contribs) 06:22, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I see that you changed her DoB from 1958 to 1962, then changed it again to 1961. What would really help is a reliable published source. I doubt that a driver license qualifies. Maproom (talk) 07:57, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I have removed her birth date info since there is no source for the info. Please see WP:BLP for justification.  Dismas |(talk) 08:39, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Having problem with figuring out a game
In pajama Sam thunder and lightning been tried over and over. The T part gets stuck in the vending machine tried getting can of earth quake opening and throwing it at vending machine. It shakes and acts like it's going to come out and stays stuck. Won't come out. Can u tell us how to get that part out of vending machine please. So far we haven't found child or adult that can figure this part of the game out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetfbouncer (talk • contribs) 07:20, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Sweetfbouncer: You may want to ask at the appropriate reference desk. This page is about how to use Wikipedia. I'd give you an answer, but it's unfortunately been many years since I last played Pajama Sam! - Purplewowies (talk) 07:56, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Suggested Related Page for the History of Quesnel
Please consider adding the following as a 'Related' page to the main About Quesnel page. It has reached local media and has had a story featured on television and the community involvement has tenfold, it is a fantastic resource for the history of Quesnel and area. https://www.facebook.com/remembering.quesnel.bc

Thank you Dave G Llewellyn Founder and administrator of 'Remembering Quesnel BC Canada

Shaw Cable Ten Story aired and upload to their YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwvYBW6eDGo&list=PL4AC5E5077162AC78&feature=share — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quesneldave (talk • contribs) 12:44, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * "See also" is solely for Wikipedia articles. "External links" must meet WP:EL criteria, and that seems unlikely. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  20:03, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation/Redirect
I want to change the page The Full English into a disambiguation for that term rather than just a redirect to the page that was there before, now The Full English (album). I can't see this information on any of the disambiguation pages: can I just change the page contents and include a link to The Full English (album) or will this undermine how moving pages works? A template of what I want to make the disambiguation page look like is available in my sandbox. Thanks for your help! RuthSalter (talk) 14:23, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can replace the redirect by what you've got in your sandbox. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:31, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Ruth. The sandbox version you've created looks fine, just move it over the redirect to the new title The Full English. The page history is all at The Full English (album), so you won't destroy anything by putting a dab page there instead. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:32, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you both. RuthSalter (talk) 14:35, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Editing
I have tried to make minor grammatical and spelling edits as I find them, persons who are obviously ignorant of English usage keep removing them. I shall no longer waste my time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zarcillo (talk • contribs) 15:45, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry you feel that way. Having checked, I can't actually see any recent instance where your edits have been reverted, though - yours are the last edits to Tajikistan, and are still in situ. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  15:48, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * In you removed a space after the word "the", reverting your own previous edit, but I have put the space back in again for you. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:56, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I have examined your recent edits and I'm also unable to find removals. It's hard to say what is happening when you didn't give any example but I wonder whether your browser has cached an old version of the articles and you just need to bypass your cache to see the current version. If that doesn't work then please give an example. Your edits can be seen at Special:Contributions/Zarcillo. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:08, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

How do I add information to Wikipedia?
I would like to add some information about technology adoption to Wikipedia...how do I do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lori McCrae (talk • contribs) 16:12, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * first you find reliably published sources that verify the claims about the subject. then you find the article and you edit it just like you did here, presenting content from a neutral point of view, representing all major academic views of the subject. then you add footnotes so that others can verify the content. then you add an edit summary to help people understand what/why behind your edit. then you save. then you be prepared for other editors to adopt, move, rewrite, remove your content as they assess it against existing content and their reliable sources. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  16:28, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Adding references
I am trying to add reference supporting the information I have edited. But red letters are appearing instead of the references being accepted. Why — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorri (talk • contribs) 17:03, 26 February 2014‎ (UTC)


 * I have moved your question to the foot of the page (which is where new topics go), added a section heading, & signed it for you. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:12, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Each of the red error messages has a blue link at the end of the message to the relevant specific help page. If you read those, they will tell you what you did wrong. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:15, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Change thumbnail photo on Pete Pirsch wikipedia page
Hello,

How do I change the thumbnail photo on the Pete Pirsch wikipedia page?

Lcmueller (talk) 17:18, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy.
 * If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, add  to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing   with the actual file name of the image, and   with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 17:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, add  to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing   with the actual file name of the image, and   with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 17:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Photograph of Taiichi Ohno
Returning to a previous point made here, I contacted Toyota about the photograph of Ohno, but they didn’t seem to be interested in donating it. On the other hand I found a photo of him here: http://www.nwlean.net/leandefs.htmLbertolotti (talk) 17:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * the image is still likely copyright, but since the subject is dead, Wikipedia (but not Commons) can make a WP:FAIR use claim. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  18:39, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Finding the culprit on a page with hundreds of transclusions
At requested moves there is one request out of a few hundred that is transcluding one or more ref tags, causing the project page to display a cite error message at the bottom of a missing reflist. If nothing is done it's not that big a deal; within a week or two it will fall out in the natural course as requests are closed. But I was wondering if anyone can think of a way to easily find the culprit – that is, something less stupidly mechanical and laborious than opening up a few hundred requests to find the offending member.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:15, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It's Talk:Memorial Medical Center and Hurricane Katrina, I added a reflist, previewed, and clicked the button to go up to the reference. Samwalton9 (talk) 18:19, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * ^smart one! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  18:23, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I made [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMemorial_Medical_Center_and_Hurricane_Katrina&diff=597256976&oldid=596849750 an edit at Talk:Memorial Medical Center and Hurricane Katrina] that hopefully will get rid of the red error message the next time the RMCD bot runs. EdJohnston (talk) 18:31, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, I at first thought it didn't work, and attempted to add noinclude tags, but yeah, I would have to wait for the bot to manually refresh (I forgot, these are not direct tranclusions [and now I know or suspect how Sam found this, by just opening up  and searched for the ref tags]). Thanks all!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:40, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * My fix doesn't work. Will leave a note for User:Wbm1058 the author of the bot, to see if he understands it. EdJohnston (talk) 19:55, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * @EdJohnston:  Ah, well the attempt is appreciated. Since   is transcluded at the WP:RM main page, I'll just go add noinclude tags around the ref's there.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:08, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Wait, I think it did work. When I search the current discussion page for ref tags I find them in that discussion in noinclude tags, so then I backtracked and saw you did not edit that page but the discussion page, which means the bot successfully incorproated your edits on its run. So, why is the error tag still showing? Lo and behold, when I search current discussions I find that there is a second discussion with a ref tag (conspiring to confound us). Let's see if noincluding that gets rid of the error.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:14, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, fixed. Thanks again.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:18, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

The bot doesn't use transclusion to create the current discussions list, so hiding with noinclude tags won't work. You can either pull the Reflist-talk inside the proposer's signature, and thus include the refs on the RM/CD page, or pull the citations outside the proposer's signature, so that they are an additional comment by the proposer in support. I think the second option is preferable, so I'll try that. Wbm1058 (talk) 20:37, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * @Wbm1058:  Because  /current discussions is transcluded into WP:RM, the noinclude tags will not affect what one sees if viewing /current discussions directly, but it will if viewing WP:RM, which is all we really care about, yes? And it actually did fix that display.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:13, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes, I think you're right. Of course we may need to null edit/purge the page to make sure that the latest version is transcluded. Sigh, it's complicated. Wbm1058 (talk) 21:22, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. Thanks for taking over and maintaining the bot. The extra work needed to run RM before it and when it was down was really complicated.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:36, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

COI
We want to create a company page showing history, facts and manufacturing locations. Can this be done by us without falling into Wikipedia's conflict of interest guideline. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.150.148.49 (talk) 19:05, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * If you created it directly you will likely be in violation of our recommended procedures, see WP:COI. Please use the WP:AFC or WP:RA processes. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom


 * Separately from the COI issue, please be aware that all the information in the article should come from reliable published sources independent of the subject. Information which is not sourced, or only from sources connected with the company, should not be put in the article, and may be removed. --ColinFine (talk) 00:14, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

The Segal Company article should be titled 'The Segal Group
I am making edits to the 'Segal Company' page and was hoping to change the article title to 'The Segal Group.' Can I do this or would I have to start over with a new article? And if that is the case, could we erase the 'Segal Company' article altogether?

Thanks.

--Tkohlhepp (talk) 20:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * To rename a page, you need to move it. See WP:MOVE for details.  RudolfRed (talk) 20:38, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Please note that you will not be able to move any pages until your account is autoconfirmed, which is an editing threshold that it passed when an account has made at least ten edits (you have) and is at least four days old (which yours will be at 20:06 UTC on March 2, 2014). Please also note the common names section of article titling policy. It appears to me based upon a quick search of Google Books that the common name is "...Company", rather than "...Group". See also Official names.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:27, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Error 'Search Help'
Something broke? I repeatedly get "There was an error while searching: Timeout at the HTTP-request." Timelezz (talk) 21:15, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Search sometimes breaks, for example due to overloaded servers. It currently works for me. If it's still broken for you then post an example search which gives the error. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:11, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

What to do?
Some IP's (in a range that is blocked) warned me on my Talk page about a user that allegedly was previously "lying" and "discrediting" other users. The user that was under question, removed the info from my talk page. But I presume that it is my talk page and no one else is removing text. While I do not support what the IP's wrote (meaning, that I did not even considered it interesting enough to start an inquiry) I consider it as just a point of view. But the user that is bespoken of, argues it is a personal attack and requests me coercively to remove the text. I would like to know whether someone is free to remove personal attack from other's Talk page. And whether I need to give in to the request. Or what other road would be best to follow. I do not like to hear bad talk about other users, but I can imagine cases where it is desirable that users inform about other users. And I like to retain a level of freedom of speech as well. I would like to hear some advises on this one. Kind regards, Timelezz (talk) 21:26, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Does WP:USERTALKBLOG help at all? --ColinFine (talk) 00:17, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * , WP:NPA and the related WP:RPA do apply to all discussion pages, including your user page. Whether a particular statement is a personal attack is a judgement call depending on the circumstances and context, but a statement such as you describe quite possible qualifies. you could edit the statement to change "User:Example tells lies" to "User:Example [has made inaccurate statements]" (or something of the sort) with the square brackets indicating that the original wording has been altered. If the original comment included on-wiki links (or better diffs) I see no reason why those would need to be deleted or redacted. I will say that unless you were interacting or likely to interact with "User A" it would be rather uncivil of "User B" for no obvious reason except to harm User A's reputation. If anyone really thinks there is a general problem with a user, it can be aired at a request for comment on a user. Then everything is open and transparent. DES (talk) 00:46, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you! What is a personal attack is of course a gray area. I've replied to take it on with a moderator who now removed/moderated several sections in the thread. I'll respect the moderator's decision. I think that is in line with WP:USERTALKBLOG. I thank you for the support to not allow other users to remove information from my talk page, and not accept every request for removal, even though I was accussed of being a colloborator. I'm grateful to have this heard from you guys. Kind regards, Timelezz (talk) 11:42, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

@DES: Would you please review the ANI report and reconsider your advice above. This case involves an IP hopper who has spent a couple of months posting outrageous attacks on an editor (outrageous in that they repeatedly attack the integrity of the editor, while offering nothing but bluster as substantiation). Timelezz is still not understanding what is appropriate for a user talk page, and they are interpreting your generic remarks as at least a partial vindication of their position. Johnuniq (talk) 01:27, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Then I guess you have not understood well how Wikipedia works. Judgement of inappropriate language is to be based on what is written, not arbitrarily on who is the sender. And on that note, I'll leave this discussion to a rest. Once again, thanks to all great remarks! Kind regards, Timelezz (talk) 21:32, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Where is the article I wrote
I wrote an article that was resubmitted to me for editing. I edited it an resubmitted it and now have no idea where it is or what the status of the article is. Please help me.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kslavick (talk • contribs) 21:34, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I suspect you are referring to the page Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/iMedRIS Data Corporation. According to the info at WikiProject Articles for creation/Submissions, the whole articles for creation process is highly backlogged right now. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  21:45, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * (e/c) Hi Kslavick. You will see a link for "contributions" at the top of every page. If you clicked on that it would have shown you a log of your edits and to what pages, and you would thereby have found () the page Toshio Yamaguchi refers you to. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:49, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Though Toshio pointed out that the AFC process is backlogged, he didn't mention to you that your draft is not in the review queue. Your article had been reviewed & declined, but you deleted the feedback template.  I have added it back in for you, and that template gives a button for you to resubmit when you are ready.  Your draft was, however, nowhere near ready to be resubmitted.  I have put a few useful links for you on your user talk page.  You need to read them, & probably a number of further links from those pages.  Looking at your draft again, I see that Fuhghettaboutit has done a lot of work on it and resolved a number of the problems. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:59, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Click "Contributions" at the top right to see your edits. In [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/iMedRIS_Data_Corporation&diff=597246701&oldid=597146824] you removed . This removed the box with the link you need to resubmit the article. An editor has restored the box so you can resubmit when you are ready. Another has added reflist so your references are displayed. I suspect that originally you clicked "Submit your draft when you are ready for it to be reviewed!" before having saved the draft. This meant your original draft was lost. Don't click any submission link when you are previewing, only when you are viewing a saved page. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:06, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Large Blank Space After Moving Text for Eleonora Abbagnato
Hi,

I did a bit of cleaning up of the entry on Eleonora Abbagnato which had some problems with English usage. I also moved the information about her marriage into a separate paragraph from the rest of the entry which focused on her professional career. Somehow, this created a large blank space between these final two paragraphs and I can't seem to make it go away. Can you fix it please?

Thanks so much in advance

Mariacate (talk) 21:38, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It was caused by the template - being in between the paragraphs. I have fixed it. - Purplewowies (talk) 21:43, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Luca Valerio
In reading your documentation on Valerio, you mention he left the Accademia dei Lincei because of fear of the Inquisition. There is no mention of his relationship with Margherita Sarrocchi which some say is a major reason in his decision. I am wondering if more investigation should be made in this area.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.58.161.2 (talk • contribs) 22:07, 26 February 2014‎ (UTC)
 * We base article content on the prevailing mainstream academic opinions that have been published in reliable sources with a reputation for fact checking and accuracy. If you have some of those, please bring your suggestions and sources to the Talk:Luca Valerio page. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  00:19, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * (ec) The article's talk page is the best place to bring up suggestions like this - unless you would like to try improving the article yourself. (Please be aware that Wikipedia itself, in any language, is not regarded as a reliable source, and may not be used as a reference). --ColinFine (talk) 00:21, 27 February 2014 (UTC)