Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 January 13

= January 13 =

Tom Brady
It should be added to his page- he also went to College of San Mateo, a California Jr College

GOD THIS PAGE IS HARD TO FIND — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.209.43 (talk) 01:41, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Please find attached copy of inquiries and attendance of Mr.______. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.194.242.209 (talk) 02:05, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I couldn't find sources supporting his enrollment at the college; however, "Brady signed up for the coach’s [Tom Martinez] quarterbacking camp [at College of San Mateo]" ~E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 02:27, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Brady attended football camp at the College as a kid. -- Jreferee (talk) 04:37, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

How the process of publishing an article works.
Hello, I am writing an article on a particular subject that has never yet been written about. It will contain the definition of a buzz word I happen to own the rights to and thought a proper definition of the word I created should be made available. As Wikipedia is a renowned site for trustworthy information, I assumed this would be the place to do it. Unfortunately, as I am trying to complete this task with some haste, I am trying to get a clear idea of the exact process this article will go through to be published. Would it be possible to get the answer to this? If so, thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8:9F00:AFA:9CD1:555A:DD75:E98F (talk) 03:16, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not here to be a promotional platform for your "work". In order to qualify for an article multiple independent reliable sources must have first covered the subject, and when sources do cover the subject, someone other than you will need to be the one to create an article. You can submit the sources to via the requested article process WP:RA to suggest that someone create the article. --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  03:22, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Since the particular subject has never yet been written about, the article would not remain published in Article space. You may want to consider the options listed in Alternative outlets. -- Jreferee (talk) 04:20, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Sandboxes
Hello, simple question really. How do I create more than one Wikipedia Sandbox? I already have one, and would like another one for another test project. I've seen other users have multiple sandboxes, so I am wondering how do I create another separate one?

Thanks, R96Skinner (talk) 03:24, 13 January 2014 (UTC).


 * Just call them User:R96Skinner/first title, User:R96Skinner/whatever you want to call the second one, or whatever. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:30, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Right, got it! Thank you very much David Biddulph, appreciate your quick response. Apologies for being such a noob, haha. R96Skinner (talk) 06:40, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Mysterious image darkening
Hi, I realize this may be a bit more Commons-oriented, but I was hoping to get some help here. I uploaded to Commons tonight and then uploaded, but as you can see, the cropped version is far darker than the original. I have no idea what caused this, since it looked normal on my computer. Can anyone help? Delaywaves &bull;&#32; talk  03:32, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Kintetsubuffalo or Graphics Lab/Photography workshop may be able to help. -- Jreferee (talk) 04:14, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * @Delaywaves, this can be an effect of a faulty picture editor or auto AutoCorrect, faulty AutoCorrect or a mixture of any of these. I would recommend you to use good applications like Photoshop, etc. However, a freed deal yet good one will be PicMonkey. Hope, it helps. -- Ankit Maity «T § C» «Review Me»   12:56, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Text of deleted article
I read somewhere that this is the place to ask to gain access to the text of a deleted article. I'd like to read what was written before deletion in the article entitled, "Redundant array of inexpensive nodes", but I don't know enough about this process to know if it is even available without asking. I won't try republishing an article by the same name. I'm just interested in what Wikipedia had on it before it was deleted. Thanks. CopyrightX (talk) 03:48, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * If we were to make the text of deleted articles available on request, there would be little point in deleting them in the first place. There are sometimes grounds for making deleted articles available to individuals, but curiosity isn't one of them. Judging from the deletion discussion, you wouldn't find anything in the article that you couldn't get from Rainfinity and/or VMWare/EMC themselves. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:00, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Interesting... So I guess the old, "nothing is ever REALLY deleted..." explanation is just a myth? If it's not available even upon asking, then it's not really available (ergo, deleted), right? At least, not generally. So it seems to me. Thanks for the comment, though. CopyrightX (talk) 05:03, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The deleted Wikipedia article appears to have been copied from totalaccessdatarecovery.jux.com, so it probably could not be userfied. -- Jreferee (talk) 04:08, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for mentioning this. Both links helpful. CopyrightX (talk) 05:03, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Such requests can be made at WP:REFUND, or at the talk page of any member of Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to provide copies of deleted articles. However the copyright issue might be an obstacle in either case. DES (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Notability discussion
Hi, is there a central place in Wikipedia for requesting opinion/discussion on the notability of a subject? I thought there was one somewhere but now I can't seem to find it. 86.176.209.112 (talk) 03:53, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You can get an answer here at the help desk. What is the subject? -- Jreferee (talk) 04:02, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey person editing from 86.176.209.112. The Notability/Noticeboard was closed in September due to this discussion. Per above, you might try posting here.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:05, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, OK, the article is Lakeside Leisure Complex. Does the fact that the BDO World Darts Championship is held there every year make this place notable enough for an article? 86.176.209.112 (talk) 04:27, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If you are trying to establish WP:GNG notability for Lakeside Leisure Centre, I doubt that is going to happen. I could not even find a website claiming that Lakeside Leisure Complex is a hotel, entertainment and leisure complex. The Lakeside Leisure Complex article should be moved to 'Lakeside Country Club" for which there is plenty of source material. -- Jreferee (talk) 05:20, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Page attacked by malicious editing
America's Got Talent (season 3)

This Wikipedia entry has been edited to have deliberate misinformation. If you are capable of restoring to a previous save instead of undoing the malicious edit, please do so. It is also my recommendation that the person who made these edits be closely monitored and/or blocked from future participation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Terastas (talk • contribs) 06:32, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Could you be specific about what you believe is not correct? I couldn't find any non-reverted vandalism in the last few edits of the page, so knowing what to look for could be beneficial. (I also skimmed the article itself.) If you find misinformation, you can correct it, assuming your changes are verifiable. - Purplewowies (talk) 07:56, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Checking a user's activity
Once in a while I find an unhelpful edit has been made to an article that I am watching, revert it, and check to see what else the editor who made it has been doing. Sometimes I find that he has made similar edits to other articles, and checking these may show that all, some, or none of them have been reverted. I may then revert some or all of the rest myself. Other editors will have been doing, and will continue to do, the same. This is obviously inefficient.

Is there a recommended method of dealing with such situations, so as to save a lot of duplicated effort?

It doesn't really matter, but this posting is inspired by edits made by 118.195.65.10. I believe that his edits have been well-intentioned but some of them have been misguided. Maproom (talk) 09:39, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

If the vandalism is serious or persistent, you can report it at WP:AIV. Admins who monitor that page can protect pages and block users if either measure seems appropriate. DES (talk) 17:01, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I'll take a note of that for when I next encounter a minor vandal. But in this particular case, it clearly wasn't vandalism. I would call it "overenthusiasm". Maproom (talk) 17:16, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

How to install a link
There is a definite link between the Wiki on Otto Liebermann (written by me) and the Wikipedia "Category: People interned in the Isle of Man during World War II". Because of the link,I have tried in several ways to install an actual link, but failed to do so. Could anyone please tell me how; or maybe even carry it out? Thank you ... JeffDellbart (talk) 10:29, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Jeff, you appear to have added it fine! It's showing up in the categories section at the bottom of the page and in the category page itself. Samwalton9 (talk) 10:36, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

SafeSquid
This article is about software use and the author has tried to put its use in terms of "Content Filtering Internet Proxy and provides a Browser Based GUI" in the article and some other uses, the article also contains images which are not uploaded clearly. Can any one respond to this article? The use of this software is under proprietary software license see Software license. Nechlison (talk) 12:28, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The article reads very much like an advertisement and a lot of it can be trimmed. The program may well be notable though, with coverage in TechRadar for example. Samwalton9 (talk) 12:33, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Is this true?
http://dissentingdemocrat.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/abby-martin-banned-on-wikipedia/#respond 96.52.164.89 (talk) 14:15, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, being banned is not the same as not having an article here. But let's not pick that nit right now.  The link Abby Martin redirects to RT (TV network).  The last version of the article before it was turned into a redirect is here.  And the discussion that determined that the article should be a redirect is here.  And it looks like she fell just short of being notable enough, from my quick read of that page.  So, you could find some more solid sources and take the case to deletion review.  Dismas |(talk) 14:26, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * But, no it is not true that "every FOX personality gets a page and we discriminate against everyone else". (and if you see some of the FOX personality pages, you can bet they wish they DIDNT have one) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:59, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Remove this page?
Talk:The_Collected_Works_of_C._G._Jung/Comments is a one-entry page commenting on a Talk page. What it asks for was done long ago. It seems to me it should be removed. Can somebody do that, or tell me how to do it, or tell me why it shouldn't be done? Lou Sander (talk) 14:27, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * A subpage of a talk page isn't going to do any damage so I don't know that it's worth worrying about. RJFJR (talk) 14:31, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I basically agree, but there's now an automatically-generated line on the talk page, with a link, that says "This page has comments" or something like that. If they follow it, it takes them to this worthless stub of a page. Why steer people down a blind alley? Lou Sander (talk) 16:32, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Birthday
I have just changed the below page many times to reflect the correct birthday for Andrew Niccol. For some reason the birthday keeps reverting back to January 1st, 1960 which is incorrect.

The correct date is June 10th, 1964.

Andrew Niccol

Is there a way to have these changes remain correct?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.145.67.2 (talk) 16:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Source it? The current birthdate is not sourced, but if you had a source other editors might be less inclined to revert. - Purplewowies (talk) 16:11, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You also seem to have repeatedly broken the infobox when you changed the date. - Purplewowies (talk) 16:14, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The article appears not to have any references except IMDB, which is not a reliable source, and an entry from his school which has link rot. In other words, it doesn't have any valid references.  I have nominated the article for deletion, not because he isn't notable, but because the article, without references, violates WP:BLP guidelines.  If someone adds references, I am willing to withdraw the deletion nomination.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:02, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * So to be clear because your not willing to do any work you think its best if deleted? Why would you not put in some minimal effort yourself first? I hope editors are not really this lazy!!! -- Moxy (talk) 01:31, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Editors are volunteers and don't always have the time. I've been guilty of drive-by tagging when I don't have time to put in the work. - Purplewowies (talk) 02:20, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Drive by tagging is one thing. But starting an AfD discussion will more ore less compel other volunteers to put in time. Therefore the instructions specify that an editor not create one without going through the fairly limited steps listed at WP:BEFORE. Omitting this step repeatedly might be construed as disruptive editing. DES (talk) 23:13, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * References added, including one that supports the corrected birth date. See WP:BEFORE before makign Afd nominatiosn, please. DES (talk) 01:33, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

why was I deleted
Hi Wikipedia people I am trying to understand why the Wikipedia entry about me was deleted. I didn't create it but its deletion raises questions. My name is Alex Duval Smith and I am a journalist. Thanks Alex — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsdsal (talk • contribs) 16:37, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell, the only article we've had on an 'Alex Duval Smith' was deleted back in 2008, as it gave "No indication that the article may meet guidelines for inclusion" The relevant guideline is Notability (people). AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:48, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I looked at the deleted article. All it said was that Alex Duval Smith the Observer's Africa correspondent and previously worked for the Guardian, and the the Independent in Johannesburg.  There was no claim to significance at all.  GB fan 17:09, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Borderline article in Wikipedia space
Just came across Perfect Hideaways. Should it be deleted or moved to mainspace? PS: if you reply please notify me by including a link to my userpage in your response, or by leaving a note on my talkpage. ~ benzband  ( talk ) 16:57, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You are correct, It does not belong in Wikipedia space. In fact it is obviously an attempt at an article draft. I suspect is is basically spam, but it just might be a notable firm. Either it should be sourced, de-puffed, and moved to mainspace, or deleted. I will look into it further. DES (talk) 17:15, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Benzband, I have nominated the page for speedy deletion due to significance. It had been hidden there for over half a year, well done in finding it. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 17:16, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Calling it "borderline" is generous. It is highly promotional, and has no valid references. Maproom (talk) 17:25, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * And I have removed the speedy deletion tag. That is an WP:CSD tag, and so does not apply outside of article space. Moreover although promotional it seems to contain possible claims of significance. DES (talk) 17:30, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Feel free to solve it your way. My instinct tells me it should be deleted, but I see from your userpage that you are an admin on this project and apparently very interested in procedures so I look forward yo seeing you deal with it. I think I can predict the result. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 17:44, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If i had to bet, I would expect it to be deleted also. But it has been her for months with no harm being done. I think it is worth spending a little WP:BEFORE time seeing if I can create a properly sourced article. If I can't I will delete it or put it up for deletion, probably through WP:MFD which is not very busy. DES (talk) 17:51, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, thankyou DES, Taketa, and Maproom! benzband  ( talk ) 18:29, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with User:DESiegel that the article is potentially keepable. It should be uncontroversial to move it to main space for further work (or for regular deletion nomination, if people don't like it). It looks like a new user placed it in Wikipedia space by mistake. An MFD sounds like overkill.  EdJohnston (talk) 19:04, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Apparently there was an objection. Another admin deleted it under WP:CSD as promotional. I have asked if there is an objection to restoring and userfying to work on. DES (talk) 19:49, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=590169803 BP Logix, Inc.]
Reference help requested.

Hi, I need some help in clearing the referencing errors on the BP Logix page. I don't understand what needs to be done. Thanks.

Thanks, IngridAndrews (talk) 17:03, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have removed the cause of the error, not sure what you were trying to do. Let me know if there is anything in particular you want to do. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 17:14, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

My page lissette garcia
Hi There, Well I think I ruined my page. I noticed someone had made a page about me, and I logged in to make a few edits, but the page is all over the place now, since I have no idea what I'm doing. I even removed the picture by mistake. If you may help me. THanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lssttgar003 (talk • contribs) 17:13, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Your changes have been reverted by another editor, so the article is back to how it was before you edited. The problems with your edits were several. 1) You added an image (picture) name that apparently doesn't exist under that name on wikipedia. It would need to be uploaded first, or the name corrected if it has been uploaded under a different file name. 2) you added unsourced content. We need to have a citation to a reliable source before adding content, particularly about a living person. This is for your protection, to prevent hoaxes and unsourced defamation or errors. (after all while I assume you are who you say you are, no one here can be sure of that). 3) Since the article is about you, our authobiography and Conflict of interest guidelines strongly discourage you from directly editing the article. Please read the linked pages for more detail.
 * You should edit Talk:Lissette Garcia and provide suggested additions or changes and citations to sources that support those statements. Then someone else cna review them and make appropriate changes to the article. You can use edit request to notify people that you have made such suggestions. DES (talk) 17:24, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh a minor issue of formatting. Some of your edits started with several spaces, no doubt to attempt to indent a paragraph. On Wikipedia, a space at the start of a line triggers a special display mode used from program code and other things, but that doesn't display orfinary text well. And Infoboxes should normally only have a single image. DES (talk) 17:26, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The article would be improved by having a picture of its subject. If you can indicate where, on the internet, we can find a picture of you, with a copyright release statement that allows people to reproduce it as they wish, then I or another editor can add it to the article. If there is no picture like that on the web, but you own the copyright to a suitable picture, you can upload it to Wikipedia Commons, perhaps by using this form. But this is quite a palaver, which I am reluctant to inflict on a new user of Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 17:36, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Julian A. Pitt-Rivers
You might like to know that: His 2nd wife was my aunt Margarita Larios daughter of the Marquis of Marzales. You have her name wrong — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.32.61.115 (talk) 18:39, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I fixed the header to identify the article being discussed. Our article currently identifies his second wife as 'Margareita de Lazales'. One of the article's references is the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, which I checked. Regarding Pitt-Rivers' second wife it says: "as on 22 September 1955 he married Margarita Larios y Fernandes de Villavicencio, the former wife of Miguel, duke of Primo Rivera." So it seems to me that the poster's comment is correct, and the second wife's name should be corrected in the article. It should be changed to 'Margarita Larios y Fernandes de Vallacicencio'.  The 'de Lazales' that we now have seems to be completely wrong.  EdJohnston (talk) 18:57, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Eric Tillman Biography page
I would like to report Hirolovesswords for removing links and going out of his way to defame the character of Eric Tillman. He should be banned from posting on that page as all he has tried to do is write negative, derogatory things and removed anything positive that has been sourced. I plan on trying to contact Mr. Tillman personally to let him know, sadly, this person with a very clear chip on their shoulder is being rediculously vindicive, writing about things that are not relevent to try to sway reader opinion in a negative light as opposed to an objective/balanced perspective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smith724 (talk • contribs) 20:24, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi,
 * I think the help desk may not be the right place for this kind of discussion. The help desk is for questions about the operation of Wikipedia and how to use the site, not for dispute resolution.  Maybe one of the pages linked at Dispute Resolution would be a better place for addressing this issue?  Thanks!
 * Cogito-Ergo-Sum (14) (talk) 23:41, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia version of Cat-A-Lot
Do we have a tool that would make changing categories of a number of articles/categories easy? I like how on Commons we the commons:Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot works. I recently created Category:Noble families by nationality and would like to move the entries from Category:Noble families there, but after getting used to the time-saving cat-a-lot at Commons I don't feel like wasting half of my hour doing this manually... PS. If there are any replies here please WP:ECHO me, otherwise I'll never see them. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 20:43, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Piotrus: WP:HotCat? - Purplewowies (talk) 21:26, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Purplewowies: Unless I am doing something wrong, HotCat doesn't work in category space. I want to be able to (re)categorize article straight from the category page, without opening individual target pages - just like I can do with cat-a-lot on Commons. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 23:51, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, then, I don't know much about HotCat, but I thought it would do what you want. I'll try looking for others. - Purplewowies (talk) 23:55, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Piotrus: Look at WP:AWB. It looks like it will let you make a list of pages in Category X and then automatically edit them all to change to Category Y.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:17, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Philanthropy/charities
What are the guidelines for including philanthropy or charities on a BLP? For example, if the subject makes contributions to many charities, are they all worthy of inclusion? HtownCat (talk) 21:17, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Are all worthy of inclusion? per WP:UNDUE no. And particularly not if they haven't been covered by reliably published third party sources. The self interest of either the subject or the donor in making claims of support would generally be unduly self serving to source to their own websites WP:SPS. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  21:30, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * In general, mere routine contributions are probably unworthy of mention at all. Donation of significant effort, or holding of official position in the organization, or contributions much larger than the norm. might be worth mentioning, if covered by independent reliable sources, in my view. DES (talk) 21:49, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Contributions the size that get a hospital building named after you or a named chair at a university or an annual summer concert series under your name, etc. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:45, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. So is there any hard rule on this? There are smallish donations that end up in the press that I'm assuming aren't really worth mentioning, but is something around $50,000 considered "substantial?" Or should it be $250,000, or $1 million? HtownCat (talk) 16:19, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Beyoncé Album incorrect information!
In the Beyoncé Album Wiki page it has been stated and I quote " six days after release it had sold one million copies worldwide" referring to the latest Beyoncé album.. This information is incorrect according to the Billboard official website. There are 17 albums so far to achieve the 1million first week sales, unfortunately the Beyoncé album is NOT one of them. The last artist to achieve this is Lady Gaga and before that it was Taylor Swift.

I understand that there are numerous websites that supporting the Beyoncé 1million first week sales rumour, but the most accurate and only official information regarding album sales are from the official Billboard website.

Below is a link to the billboard page and specifically the list of 17 artists and albums that have sold 1million albums in first week sales starting with Whitney Houston 'The Bodyguard' album:

http://www.billboard.com/photos/426851/albums-that-sold-1-million-in-one-week?i=9488

Many thanks Moses Mahgoub — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mosesmahgoub (talk • contribs) 21:43, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, the article lead is repeating information found further down in the article, which describes 1 million sales on iTunes and cites this article. The album appears to have been released on December 13, 2013, and the article date is December 18, 2013. I'm adding the word "digital" to the statements with the hope that this will clarify things. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The Billboard page deals with albums which have sold one million in their first week in the US, whereas Beyoncé sold one million in its first week worldwide. Adabow (talk) 22:50, 13 January 2014 (UTC)