Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 January 22

= January 22 =

downloads now screwed up
Wikipedia has changed its download format and it is not an improvement. The neologism for such improvements is "deprovements, " i.e. taking some function that was well-established, workable, convenient and efficient and making it the antithesis of those qualities. Too bad. Techs are never happy until they have ruined something good. The rules is: if it can be done, it MUST be done. At one time, the "print" version of the Wiki copy was automatically made into a Pdf which was then zipped onto my desktop. Now I get a grey blob resembling a very heavy fog from which with arcane symbols emerge at the bottom which I have yet to figure out and one has to wait eons for it to translate into  a printable form. Then it has to be made into a Pdf to be affixed to the desktop. What's the advantage of the new many stepped system? Why was it changed? I love Wikipedia and support it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.47.38.132 (talk) 01:27, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * What browser are you using? The reason I ask is that a while back Firefox added a default "feature" that is a barrier to direct pdf downloads: a PDF viewer. I found it very annoying. What happens is that instead of downloading the PDF as expected, it previews the PDF file in some format which has a grey background. Accordingly, I'm wondering if it's possibly not Wikipedia that has changed anything and prompted your question, but whether it's this browser change that made you think it was a change here. Anyway, when I go to an article and click on "Download as PDF" from the links under "print/export", it simply downloads as a PDF. But this is only after I fixed Firefox's fix by turning it off. If this is the issue, then see this page with instructions for turning it off. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:48, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Just tried to get a pdf of an article as well. I've never done it before since I've never needed to but it worked fine.  Using Win7 and Firefox.  I suspect you're right about OP's browser issue.  Dismas |(talk) 01:53, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Arrangement of images in an article
I've been trying to rearrange three images on the Survivor: Cook Islands article. They're currently placed vertically with a bunch of blank space to the left (which is so annoying), so I'm trying to place them horizontally. I've tried placing "|left|", "|center|", and "|right|" in the links, which doesn't totally work for me. I've also got the same issue with the Survivor: South Pacific article. Is there any way to do what I'm trying to do? Survivorfan1995 (talk) 03:46, 22 January 2014 (UTC) Please note that I did not use a "standard" gallery, as this makes the images rather small, and this in turn makes the relatively long captions rather awkward; so I increased the gallery height, and then tweaked that slightly, so that the captions now fit on two lines. If you don't like it, then just undo it. - Arjayay (talk) 11:15, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * remember first that everyone who looks at the page is going to have a different screen size from 60 inch internet TVs to 2 inch hand helds, and different browsers and fonts and font sizes. Making it look "perfect" for your particular settings will assuredly make it awful for someone else. But the easiest formatting method to get pictures in a row is via the gallery markup. WP:GALLERY. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  04:14, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright, I tried the gallery thing, and something's still wrong with it. When I previewed it, the images didn't show up at all. Instead, there were two blank images with the text "!contestant" and "!finish". How can I make it work? Survivorfan1995 (talk) 04:25, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You could also try the Stack template.--ukexpat (talk) 04:41, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I looked at the instructions, but I'm not sure if that's what I need or not. I don't quite understand. Could anybody help me do this? Again, I'm trying to place the three images horizontally above the chart under the "Contestants" section. Survivorfan1995 (talk) 05:25, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've used the gallery commands - as was suggested above. I don't know what the problem was when you tried it, since you only previewed it, so I can't see what your settings were. It can help other editors diagnose a problem if you save the page, and then immediately undo your save, as this keeps a record of what you tried, which didn't work, but keeps the page as it was, if another reader comes along. I wonder if you did not remove the "thumb", pixel heights and position parameters when trying to set up the gallery?.
 * I got the feeling that the gallery may have been placed within the table or something, as "contestant" and "finish" are columns there (but I saw this a time earlier at which I could not comment on it. - Purplewowies (talk) 15:59, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

As an almost completely unrelated side note, how come "reality" TV show articles are always physically painful to look at? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  13:23, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I suspect this is to accurately reflect the programmes, which are equally painful to look at ;-) - Arjayay (talk) 14:28, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * And they end up looking more like fan pages than encyclopedia articles.--ukexpat (talk) 14:40, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh okay, thanks!! I've never done a gallery before, so it just wasn't easy to do for a first time. But I think I get it now. I can just use the one you did as a reference. And BTW, I did consider saving the original edit and reverting it like Arjayay said, but I didn't think that'd be appropriate, since wikipedia isn't for test edits. Sorry I took me so long to get back here; it was bedtime for me. oh and just for one more little side note here for User:Ukexpat: another user has significantly cleaned up these Survivor articles, so if they still look like fan pages, just know that they're nothing compared to what they were before ;) Survivorfan1995 (talk) 15:55, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You are quite right - Wikipedia is not for test edits. In theory you should have copied the article (or section) to your sandbox, tried your options there, and posted the URL of the version along with your explanation, of the problem. However, provided it is reverted immediately, there would be little harm done - certainly considering the thousands of editors who never preview their work - not to mention those that never look at it at all, before leaving the page. Arjayay (talk) 16:48, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll keep that suggestion in mind in the future. Survivorfan1995 (talk) 16:58, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I note that Gloss (talk) has just reverted these changes - can I suggest Survivorfan1995 talks to them about this? Arjayay (talk) 18:47, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I saw the discussion over at User:Gloss's talk page about the positioning of the pictures and I'm not really seeing what User:Arjayay was talking about. Can I upload a screenshot here of what it looks like on my end? I don't think anybody really understands one another's explanations here. Survivorfan1995 (talk) 19:01, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like the conversation's moved to User talk:Gloss if anybody'd be interested in contributing further :) Survivorfan1995 (talk) 20:21, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Majid Al Futtaim Group
To whom it may concern,

I am sending you this comment requesting to know more about the admin access of the "Majid Al Futtaim Group" Wikipedia article. I am Taha Benazoun, responsible for Digital Media at Majid AL Futtaim Holding in Dubai (United Arab Emirates), and I wanted to add our logo and other elements to the article, a thing that I can only do through the admin access. I was wondering if you could help me with this issue and advise on how we can solve this, because we, at the company, are not really aware of who holds the admin credentials for the page, which are supposed to be handled by my team.

Looking forward to hearing back from you.

Best Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbenazoun (talk • contribs) 05:40, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * There are a couple of points that your questions bring up.
 * There is no "admin access" to the article Majid Al Futtaim Group. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone.  Occasionally, articles will be protected for various reasons but that is often not the case.  And indeed, the article for Majid Al Futtaim Group can be edited by anyone. (relevant policy: WP:OWN)
 * As an employee of the company, you are strongly discouraged from editing the article itself due to your conflict of interest. We are writing an unbiased encyclopedia and not providing advertising for companies.  So it would be best for you to only make suggestions for improvement to the article on the article's talk page which can be found at Talk:Majid Al Futtaim Group.  (relevant policy: WP:COI)
 * So, please, just suggest edits on the talk page of the article. If you request something there, please use the Request edit template to draw attention to it.
 * Thanks, Dismas |(talk) 07:41, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I see that the article is at present highly promotional, with phrases such as "came on board to provide the lifestyle components". It needs cleaning up by an unbiased editor. I could do it myself, but I fear there wouldn't be much left when I finished. Maproom (talk) 08:21, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've done a substantial amount of cutting. See what you think now, Maproom. Dismas |(talk) 08:36, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you have improved it hugely. It now looks like an encyclopedia article, rather than a marketing brochure. Maproom (talk) 08:50, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The only issue is that the current left content doesn't really describe majid Al Futtaim as it should be. I would really appreciate if the article could at least be updated with the relevant information. While my updates sounded subjective because I am related to the company, the current information is subjective as well because they don't really convey all the relevant information about the group. Please advise how we can improve that. Tbenazoun
 * The best course of action would be to suggest your changes on the article's talkpage, as Dismas has already suggested. Bear in mind, though, than any changes which are not neutral or supported by reliable sources will not be implemented. Note also that your idea of what the article should be may differ quite substantially from Wikipedia's. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  12:50, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Placing the TOC immediately after the first paragraph in the lead
Hello. I seem to be fast becoming a regular at the Help desk. Anyway, I was wondering if it were possible to place the table of contents immediately after the first paragraph in the lead. The article of interest is List of municipalities in Saskatchewan. Currently the TOC is right-floated and at the end of the lead, making it sandwiched awkwardly between the lead and the body.

We are constrained by the guidelines on the matter (#2 and #5 of "Floating the TOC" on the Help:Section page, meaning that we can't put it at the very beginning of the article, before the first paragraph. However, we are also unaware of how to place it immediately after the first paragraph in the lead. Any assistance you can give us would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! AmericanLemming (talk) 07:16, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not clear on who "we" are but you can put the TOC anywhere you choose by moving the TOC template that is in the article to wherever you want it to display. I'm not sure why it is wrapped in the stack template either.  Since you suggest you've been here before, maybe it was pointed out already but I'm not sure why you don't just let the TOC automatically fall where it normally does.  I just did a preview of the various layouts and, in my opinion, it looks fine if you just let the page layout automatically put the TOC where it normally goes.  Dismas |(talk) 07:49, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, by "we" I guess I was referring to Hwy43, Mattximus, and myself. (See Featured list candidates/List of municipalities in Saskatchewan/archive1.) I am all in favor of putting the TOC in the default position, but Hwy43 and Mattximus have their reasons for putting it where they do, and I can't think of a better reason to put it in the default position besides "that's where I'd put it." Thanks for the quick reply, though! AmericanLemming (talk) 08:17, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification. I moved it to the default position and liked it but then saw that I was blundering into the middle of a discussion over the issue, so I reverted my edit.  I see that Maproom reverted and agreed with me.  So, I guess we both vote for the default position.  :)  Dismas |(talk) 08:39, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I have also started a discussion about it on the article's talk page, where it belongs rather than here. I hope Hwy43 or Mattximus will explain their reasons there. Maproom (talk) 08:43, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The problem is not the table of contents. The problem is that the lead in List of municipalities in Saskatchewan does not summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight per WP:LEAD. Instead, it is the body of the article. While not related to the TOC positioning issue, WP:LEADSENTENCE specifically reads "The first sentence should tell the nonspecialist reader what (or who) the subject is." If someone told you "Saskatchewan is the sixth-most populous province in Canada with 1,033,381 residents as of 2011 and is the fifth-largest in land area at approximately 588,000 km2 (227,000 sq mi)." would you immediately think "List of municipalities in Saskatchewan"? -- Jreferee (talk) 11:38, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Given that the pages are viewed on everything from 60 inch internet TVs to 2 inch hand helds with every user having different browser, text font and display settings, creating a "perfect" view on your particular device is pretty much guaranteed to give a poor result to someone else, the effort seems pretty much a waste of time. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:51, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and with that in mind there would have to be overwhelming reasons to move the TOC from its default position.--ukexpat (talk) 14:48, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Question related ton article for creation
Hello, I'm trying to create an article since 27 December 2013. It was declined the first day, then I tried to improve it with the advices of live help chat admins. The article was again declined. I would like to know what I have to do now, since the admin who declined did not answer to my remarks and request to answer. Best regards--2.6.131.146 (talk) 11:49, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You ask "what you have to do now". One possibility is to accept that the subject of the article is not, by Wikipedia's standards, notable, and that nothing you can do is likely to change this. You have done all that you can, and your failure to establish its notability is not your fault. Maproom (talk) 12:03, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't understand 2 things: 1/ Admins of live chat help said the article is ok 2/ the article exists on other Wikipedias, for example in french. In other side, I have read notable, and in my opinion the article matches wikipeda criteria.--2.6.131.146 (talk) 12:09, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Your opinion regarding notable needs to be backed up by providing a list of source material that amounts to "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" per WP:GNG. As for your draft, do not include any material or sources in the that are not independent reliable sources. Rewrite the draft only using Wikipedia Reliable Sources. The sources cited in the draft need to be independent of the National centre of research in social and cultural anthropology. Also, if you want to persuade people, do no use websites as source material for the article. Try to use only physically printed media, such as newspapers, book, and magazines. Any source material from Newspapers published in Algeria should help out. The draft claims the name of the topic is Centre national de recherche en anthropologie sociale et culturelle. However, there is no "N" in CRASC and I find plenty of source material for the article looking for Centre de recherche en anthropologie sociale et culturelle. For example, summarize this, this in the article. You can find a good number of articles on the CRASC topic at allafrica.com, such as by posting a request at Resource Request. For some reason, you keep focusing on "advices of live help chat admins," which is not how Wikipedia makes its decisions. Wikipedia makes decisions by consensus, not "Admins of live help chat". If User:EagerToddler39 and User:Hasteur agree, we can move the draft to article space and list at WP:AFD as a way of moving this matter forward. -- Jreferee (talk) 12:33, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help, that's what I was looking for. About CRASC without "N", the original name of the institution is "Centre de recherche en anthropologie sociale et culturelle", but when the government changed it to "Centre national de recherche en anthropologie sociale et culturelle", they kept CRASC because the institution was already notably known under this name. However, some media continue sometimes to use the old name. So I will try later to apply your observations. Cheers--2.6.131.146 (talk) 13:06, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Checking for copyright problems in hidden edits
Dear editors: This stale draft: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Carbohydrate chemistry is extensive and has a number of references as compared to Carbohydrate chemistry. I had planned to ask at WP:Wikiproject Chemistry about about the appropriateness of its content, but there is something that should be checked first. The mainspace article has a section of its edit history hidden because of copyright violations. I want to make sure that the draft version isn't a recreation of those problems. I tried a couple of Google searches on text without result, but the copied document may have been offline. Can someone with access check this for me?

If Wikiproject Chemistry reports it acceptable, would it be acceptable to Afd the mainspace article (which still appears to have copyvios from its one source and is mainly one big "See also"), and move the draft into its place, or would the old article need to be kept in any case for its attributions and redirected? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 14:05, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Anne. As far as the copyright issue goes, you're fine; the AFC contains nothing that's remotely similar to the hidden deleted content. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  15:25, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, and on the issue of replacing the existing article - if the replacement is approved, then a history merge would probably be the most appropriate course of action. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  15:26, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help. I will post at Wikiproject Chemistry.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 20:28, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, apparently they weren't impressed, as the sources were mostly not reliable, so I will not be merging at this time. Thanks anyway for your help.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 21:42, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Morecambe Bay in Lancashire England
Hello, I have noticed that Morecambe Bay listing does not mention Sailing it is one of the primary sports on Morecambe Bay, sailing out of Morecambe Bay Yacht Club (Morecambe)supporting water sports on the Bay.The Nobby (sailing boat)or Morecambe Bay Shrimper was widely used for fishing on the Bay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.19.127.193 (talk) 14:39, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

request edit
Valentina Sanchez, Miss New Jersey Teen USA 2014, was born in California-USA. She was not born in Venezuela, as your article states. Please correct your error as soon as possible. She is getting negative responses based on the wrong data your article provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.54.0.34 (talk) 14:41, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I have removed the unsourced Venezuela claim from Miss Teen USA 2014. I guess that's the article you refer to. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:50, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Population Services International
Hi, The list for board of directors for Population Services International (Population Services International) is out of date. The updated list can be found here: http://www.psi.org/about-psi/board Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.200.96.194 (talk • contribs) 14:45, 22 January 2014‎ (UTC)

VOGENAUER Ernst Vogenauer
Dear Sir or Madam Sources : Attestation : In the Wikipedia page about my great oncle the artist Ernst Rudolf Vogenauer (1897-1972) all the informations about his "early life" and "career" are quite right. These informations and CV, that I wrote myself for wikipedia, come directly from our private family archives (state certificates and chronicle of the Vogenauer family by my other great oncle Gottfried Vogenauer written in 1955*, and are not extracted not from a german  paper or article. As I am a french lady and also an old lady, I do not know very well how to provide informations for Wikipedia, so I would like you to help me,  to confirm these informations about early life and career of my great oncle in the page.

With a lot of thanks and my best wishes 2014. Sincerely yours

E.Caubet-Bachem (born Erika Bachem, great niece of Ernst Rudolf Vogenauer Bayonne in France -2014 January 22th.

NB : * Gottfried Vogenauer was a brother of my great oncle Ernst Rudolf Vogenauer and of my grand-ma Babette Vogenauer spouse Bachem, and of Andreas Vogenauer, all children of the Vogenauer-Haenni family

Erika64FR (talk) 14:59, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * This says 1897-1969 but the Wikipedia article reads 1897-1972. Unless the information is independently source in the article, it probably should be removed. -- Jreferee (talk) 15:33, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Vogenauer taught at the Weissensee East Berlin Academy, which may be the Weissensee Academy of Arts, or Weissensee Art Academy, but I'm not sure which Wikipedia article it is related to. -- Jreferee (talk) 15:40, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Numbered list in two columns
I have a numbered list on my user page HERE. I'd like to put it in two columns, without re-starting numbering at the top of the second column. Is there a way to do that? (Feel free to do it yourself if you'd like -- sometimes that's the easiest way.) Lou Sander (talk) 15:09, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Template:Columns-list is your boy for that particular problem. I've done it for you. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  15:21, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

1911 revolutionary women's army in China
Though we have an article on Xinhai Revolution, I can find nothing about the revolutionary women's army. I recently uploaded File:An episode in the revolutionary war in China, 1911 - the revolutionary women's army attacks Nanking. Wellcome V0047151.jpg. Any suggestions as to which article might be relevant to make use of this historic illustration? --Fæ (talk) 15:24, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Reference Desk
Which category would a question about how many cigarettes were smoked per day in 2008 go under?--78.156.109.166 (talk) 15:30, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Try the Maths reference desk since this is statistical information being requested. Good luck ツ Jenova   20  (email) 16:17, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Updating Company Logo
Hello -

I am looking to update the company logo on the Rawlings (company) wikipedia page and cannot determine how to update the logo on that page. Could anyone assist me with this? When we go to the edit screen the only option for updating is the Source for the logo which we have updated but now we need to update the actual logo.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by A deckis (talk • contribs) 16:03, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Please go to WP:FFU and make request that the file be uploaded.--ukexpat (talk) 16:44, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

saving locations on google maps
i use the historic register to locate historic structures for me to visit in different states. i can hit the longitude and latitude cordinates and it will give me the options. i choose google maps and it will bring up the map but i cant save the site. there is no star to light up. if there is and address i can copy it and put it in google maps and the star is available to click on and save. can you tell me how i can do it directly from the register and star the location? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.10.205.226 (talk) 16:08, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  02:51, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Help with Wikitables
Is there some sort of Help Desk or Instructions Page for creating Wikitables? Specifically, I have the following questions, the answers to which I cannot seem to find. What is the "command" or "code" that allows the creator to control/set the width of the columns in a table? Similarly, what is the "command" or "code" that allows the creator to control/set the height of the rows in a table? Thanks! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:44, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Help:Table?--ukexpat (talk) 16:52, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I have been playing around with this for quite a while, and I simply can't seem to figure it out. Can someone please tell me the exact command that I need to type in to make every row in the table be the same height?  I'd like all the rows (not just some) to be of uniform height.  By default (without me specifying a height), each row has a different height (based on the amount of text within that row).  Therefore, some rows are taller, some are shorter, and the table does not have a "uniform" look.  Thanks so much.   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:05, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

I am re-posting (moving) this question to Help talk:Table. If anyone has any suggestions to help me, please reply at that Talk page. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:03, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Raun Larose
Raun Larose — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.103.1.122 (talk • contribs)
 * With what exactly? Samwalton9 (talk) 16:49, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Earshot : request edit : History : Formation and Letting Go
Hello, As Wikipedia strives to be an accurate source of truth and information, a modern day encyclopedia, its success and credibility depends on the veracity of its content. Many people have drawn my attention to the lies and inaccuracies that are written all over the biography of the rock band called "Earshot". Indeed, after reading the biography of "Earshot", I just can't help contacting your organization in sheer respect of Wikipedia and its credibility as well as in respect of the truth and of the people who created the history of Earshot. Earshot's biography in Wikipedia (History : Formation & Letting Go) totally obliterates the truth and states facts that are straight up lies. Those inaccuracies jeopardize the whole concept of encyclopedia that Wikipedia strives to represent. The biography was obviously dictated by major labels at a time where it was easy to make the crowds believe what was politically correct but it is unfortunately very far from the truth... So here is the real story (made of accurate facts and the truth) of how Earshot started. Bear in mind that I have all the necessary proofs (witnesses, pictures, videos, recordings...) to corroborate this accurate description. Here it is : During the Summer of 1998, long time friends Chris Lennon (guitar), Todd Whyatt (drums) and Guy Couturier (bass) decide to start a brand new band in Hollywood California. Before that Chris Lennon used to play guitar for "Justifiable Homicide", Todd Whyatt used to play drums for "I Found God" and Guy Couturier used to play bass for "Transultra" (all those bands were from Hollywood California). Their jams are very productive (a few months later they already have written a few songs) and in November 1998, looking for a singer, they put an ad in "Music Connection" magazine. Wil Martin is among the first batch of singers they audition but the band decides to keep on checking more singers and too keep on writing more material. In January 1999 they record their 1st demo with Daniel Overberger (Stress). "Get Away" and "My Time" are already part of this 4 song demo (without the vocals obviously). The band keeps on auditioning singers and on writing more music. The song "Wake Up" is written during that time and is known among the band as the"tribal" song. "Leave Me Alone" is also written during that period and despite the fact that it was among the band's favorite as well as many A&Rs favorite, that song unfortunately never made it on the debut album "Letting Go". In March of 1999, after having auditioned more than a hundred singers, the band decides to call back Wil Martin and to give him a second trial. He had been working on the vocals of "My Time" but it is his performance on "Wake Up" that convinces Todd Whyatt and Guy Couturier to bring him in the band as the lead vocalist. Chris Lennon is not happy about the decision his bandmates made and he decides to leave the band. Then starts the quest of a guitar player to replace Chris Lennon. Many guitar player auditions follow but no one feels right. The band gets antsy to play live and decides to use an friend (Scott Kohler) to fill in the guitar player position. They play their 1st show at the Dragonfly in Hollywood during the Summer of 1999. A few months later, in November 1999, thanks to their performances at the "Pretty Ugly Club" (taking place at the Dragonfly) and to their friendship with Seth from "Crazy Town", Earshot manages to create a buzz among the industry: their concerts are packed with the majority of the A&Rs of Los Angeles. Michael Beinhorn notices them during one of their shows at the "Dragonfly" and decides to record them in his studio. So under the umbrella of Atlantic Records, Earshot records a 3 song demo ("Headstrong", "Leave me alone", "My Time") with Michael Beinhorn in November 1999. Earshot celebrates the new year 2000 being very excited about the new demo and the potential record deal with Atlantic Records. Unfortunately the deal is poorly negotiated by their manager (Bobby Carlton) and things fall thru at the last minute. So Earshot keeps on showcasing for almost all the labels in town (check the link of their showcase at the Whisky for Fred Durst in March 2000 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNG9_6ixukw&feature=share&list=UUv9s8nSbQkbcAhReVb4evhQ&index=1) but the labels keep on pointing the finger at their weak and inexperienced guitar player (Scott Kohler). So in June 2000 Earshot showcases for Reprise/Warner (David Kahne and Matt Eberle) with an additional guitar player and finally gets the long awaited record deal. Unfortunately the long series of showcases had taken its toll on the band and things had gotten sour during that process between singer Wil Martin and drummer Todd Whyatt : founding member Todd Whyatt is fired the day after the successful showcase... With a brand new record deal under the belt, Earshot is on the look for a new drummer. The band tries out Bobby Alt, Possum Hill (check the link of their performance at the Dragonfly in August 2000 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4-09YZafL0&feature=share&list=UUv9s8nSbQkbcAhReVb4evhQ&index=4) but finally settles for Dieter Hartmann in September 2000. Finally a complete band, Earshot spends the following 5 months at "Cole Rehearsals" to finish the writing/pre-production of their LP. In April 2001 Earshot finally enters the Jim Henson studios in Hollywood. Josh Freese (drums), Troy Van Leeuwen (guitars) and Danny Lohner (guitars) are used to track all the drums and guitars on the LP while bandmates Scott Kohler and Dieter Hartmann are pushed aside during that phase of the recording. Guy Couturier is actually the only band member who records his instrument (bass) at Jim Henson's. After the recording of "Letting Go" is completed Mike Callahan joins the band as rhythm guitar player. In November 2001 Earshot embarks on their 1st US Tour, opening up for Hoobastank throughout the States during a month. After the Christmas brake, in January 2002, last remaining founding member, main songwriter and bassist Guy Couturier is fired because of an interview he made during the previous Tour. His description to a journalist of the recording process of "Letting Go" (heavy use of studio musicians instead of band members for the recording, total absence of collaboration between the band and the producer) is deemed as "politically incorrect" and Guy Couturier is fired on the spot for being a "loose canon" and speaking out the truth... So Guy Couturier got replaced by Johnny Sprague on bass and Earshot kept going as if the 3 founding members (Chris Lennon, Todd Whyatt and Guy Couturier) never even existed... Voila, here is the story I wanted to tell you for the sake of truth, the story of the origin and beginnings of Earshot, the story that never got told by the major labels because it would have made them look bad... It is the true story though and it hurts me to read all the lies in Wikipedia. Do what you want with it, double check all the facts and info if you want, ask me any additional questions if you need, I have said my peace, I trust you to be truthful in your encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iexpandwhileyousellout (talk • contribs) 17:31, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I see that you have also reported these errors in the talk page of the Earshot article. That is the best place to report them. This is not. Maproom (talk) 18:05, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Mediumship. The content on this page is incorrect, as an international tutor on this subject this is a major issue!
Under the heading of Clairalience, purporting to be the correct term used as a sense of smell from the Spirit world, when in actual fact the sense of smell from the spirit world is called Clairolfactus, this is the Latin wording and was put together using Clair meaning Clear, and olfactus in the sensory perception in the seance of smell. As I tutor for the top mediumship organisations in the world I have put some research into what these words are and where the were coined, and the long and short of it is each word is Latin and Greek is exactly what is says it is if you translate it into English. These words are all built on the clear sensening and parts of the human anatomy or the sensory system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandrabellmac (talk • contribs) 17:31, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Clairvoyance: Clear vision
 * Clairaudience: Clear Hearing
 * Clairsentience: Clear Feeling.
 * These are the three main senses . But a more  indept look at breaking them down even more gives us a list of many more.
 * Clairasension: Clear clear communication from higher forces like angelic realms.
 * Claircognizance: Clear cognat, knowing without having leared this.
 * Clairempathic: Clear Empathy, feeling the empathic feelings of the person making the communication
 * Clairgraphia: Clear writing, as I. The written word, to see the word written in your mind.
 * Clairgustatorus: Clear taste.
 * Clairkinesthetic: Clear bodily movement.
 * Clairolfactus: Clear Smell
 * Clairsomatic: Clear affecting the body
 * Clairtackilus: Clear skin sensation
 * Clairtangency: Clear tangible, as in feeling a tangible object.


 * You could, frankly, be anyone, so I'm afraid your claims are not going to be incorporated into this encyclopedia just because you say so. Do any of these words appear in any reliable dictionary? I'm not even sure some of the words in your definitions - especially 'cognat' - are widely understood terms either. AlexTiefling (talk) 17:38, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Problem with Rolfing page
Hi. Once again the Rolfing page contains a large amount of false information in simply the definition of what it is (I am not trying to comment on any controversy about the work itself). I have gone in and fixed it to make it more accurate, but those fixes have been overturned back to the inaccurate information again. Since I get phone calls that ask me why wikipedia is so incorrect, what can I do to make sure that the definition and history (which is grounded in fact) is accurate and to keep people from destroying the correct information?

For example - Rolfing is a trademarked, propriety form of structural integration - which is its own modality, like chiropractic and acupuncture. It is not, nor ever has been, a form of massage. This has been very confusing for people in the past, so I think it is important that wikipedia be correct in describing Rolfing as a form of structural integration. It was the first form of it, and was called Rolfing later as a nickname based on the name of the creater, Dr. Ida P. Rolf.

Yesterday, I fixed three instances of called Rolfing a form of massage, but today all that text is back. That is incorrect and confusing, so why doesn't wikipedia want to be accurate? The only things SI and massage have in common is that there is a table, and the practitioners work with their hands. Everything else is different.

What is the best way to make sure that info is accurate on wikipedia, and not a battle of egos? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbwinter2 (talk • contribs) 17:58, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * This is a content issue, so please use the article's talk/discussion page to discuss changes to the article.--ukexpat (talk) 19:26, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Also see WP:BRD. If you have made an edit and someone has reverted it, the next step is to to engage with them and seek consensus, via their talk page or the talk page of the article.  If that is unsuccessful, there are various routes for dispute resolution.  I see you are familiar with the talk page process from previous content discussions at the same article, and I note you have been open about your conflict of interest with regard to the subject matter.  -  Ka renjc (talk) 19:32, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

confirmed account
Hi,

I would like to edit a webpage from wikipedia and upload a specific figure in this webpage. Could I do this with my current account status?

Best regards, Katerina — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktsakiri (talk • contribs) 18:20, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You need to be autoconfirmed in order to upload images to the English Wikipedia. You are apparently are not. However you can upload images to Wikimedia Commons. Ruslik_ Zero 18:57, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * But note that you cannot upload any old image to Commons - it has to be freely licensed, see commons:Commons:Licensing.--ukexpat (talk) 19:23, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Removing redirection to publish an article
Hi, I have drafted an article on Terji Skibenaes, it is in my sandbox, and I would like to publish it (and I am ready and able to do so). The thing is that the current link "Terji Skibenæs" is a redirection and leads to the page of Týr (band), and so I cannot publish the article with this title. How could I edit this redirection so I can publish the page on this musician? Thank you very much in advance for your answer, Kind regards, Nath — Preceding unsigned comment added by NathAhti (talk • contribs) 18:46, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If you look at the history of the redirect you will find that it was redirected because Terji Skibenaes was then a non-notable person. Has anything changed since 2009? Ruslik_ Zero 18:52, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You can make a technical request at WP:RM. But do consider the notability issue first. DES (talk) 18:59, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Yes things have changes since 2009, and now an article would be appropriate. So I make a request, following the instructions, in the Talk page of my sandbox, right? I'm not sure how to proceed, as my article is not published yet.. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by NathAhti (talk • contribs) 19:08, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You have not included any citations in User:NathAhti/sandbox to establish the WP:notability of Terji Skibenaes. Does he pass WP:MUSIC? Can you provide links or publication information to where he has been discussed in some depth in reliable sources that are independent of him, not press releases, not publisher's blurbs, not fan sites, not blogs, and not his own site or facebook page. If you can, i will move your draft into mainspace. DES (talk) 19:18, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi NathAhti. The article in your sandbox has no inline citations at all, and nothing to assert how the subject meets WP:BAND, the notability criteria for musicians.  If the article went live now, I doubt it would take long before someone nominated it for speedy deletion.  -  Ka renjc (talk) 19:20, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

I updated the article, please let me know if you find it acceptable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NathAhti (talk • contribs) 19:40, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * See my comments at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Terji Skibenæs. DES (talk) 23:50, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

image viewing
I have an issue when using the Android App on a Samsung S3 where no embedded images maximise when clicked. This applies to all articles and all image types, all I see is the file name.

For example - on the East India Company page I would like to zoom the map titled Colonial India. Clicking gives me the file name and no image.

Is this a known problem or just for me?

18:58, 22 January 2014 (UTC)94.30.78.34 (talk) 18:58, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If nobody here knows, you might have better luck here: Reference desk/Computing. ~:71.20.250.51 (talk) 02:53, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I see it too, on an HTC One. I think WP:VPT might be a better place to bring it up. --ColinFine (talk) 15:48, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Saving an article in the Article Wizard
Hello. I have just finished my article in the Article Wizard. I have created this article before, believed it to be saved and upon logging back found it to be gone. I want to be sure it's saved and submitted before I log out. How do I submit the article for review from the Article Wizard?

Thank you! Nikrs (talk) 22:48, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Nikrs, you can go ahead and save the page in the same way you saved this post, that's fine. Samwalton9 (talk) 23:12, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * For good measure though, select all and copy before you save so that if the save fails, you will still retain the work (or you might even paste it into a text document on your computer).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:25, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * And you can click "Contributions" at top of any page to see your saved edits (if they are later deleted by an administrator then they are not shown). PrimeHunter (talk) 02:38, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Article now is at Zheng Cao. -- Jreferee (talk) 02:41, 23 January 2014 (UTC)