Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 January 3

= January 3 =

So I'm a nurs and I'm Arminien so juife rehab hospital in Canada at Laval chomedey has 6 million debt so we need to pay the debt and I want to be had of this hospital .thank you.
I'm 56 years old I'm interested to work in your movies.thank's — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.163.231.172 (talk) 00:27, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Samwalton9 (talk) 00:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

How Long Till Changes To Conflict Edit Are Reflected?
There was a typo error during the creation of this Wikipedia page (Kenjobenjo/Says Sdn Bhd) and while I was requesting a 'move', an error stating 'conflict edit' showed up. It funnily, however, doesn't appear to be much of a real 'conflict' as this is what I'm seeing under my 'Contributions' tab:

(←Created page with ' {{Subst:Nul|<==do not change this line it will set the date automa...') (Tag: Possible self promotion in userspace)

Looks as though the same request/note was made prior to my request for a 'move'. My question is, how long will it take for the changes to be reflected? Or are there any following actions that I have to take in order to have the Wikipedia page 'moved'? Title should reflect "Says Sdn Bhd" and not "Kenjobenjo/Says Sdn Bhd". This is my first time using Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenjobenjo (talk • contribs) 03:49, 3 January 2014‎ (UTC)


 * I have moved the article. It needs further work: it is too promotional, and there's something wrong with all the references. Maproom (talk) 04:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * If you got a message about an edit conflict then it means your edit wasn't saved and noone can see what you tried to save. Special:Contributions/Kenjobenjo shows the edit you quote is from 19 December, and your last edit before posting here was yesterday. However, the article has been moved now. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:19, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Request about unspecified article
Dear Wikipedia volunteers,

Hi! I would like to ask information about this message which was posted on the page of our school:

guidelines for college and university articles. Please improve this article if you can. (April 2013)*
 * This college or university article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia

Actually, somebody probably started a page dedicated for the university I am working with right now here in Korea and my supervisor asked me a favor to check it. I myself am not very familiar with how the page should be edited because I don't really know what to clean up and there is no specification on what problems we have to address. My supervisor had assigned me to work this out and try to figure out what needs to be done and they also asked me to develop the page for future references.

I need your help. Would it be possible if you can inform me specifically what I need to work on to have the messaged deleted? Thank you very much and I am hoping to hear from you soon with a possible suggestion. All the best! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mickofoxx17 (talk • contribs) 04:08, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Take a look at this link that was in the template you copied: College and university article guidelines. Also read this: Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. (For others, article is Kongju National University.) - Purplewowies (talk) 04:15, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Opening a deletion discussion
I've just proposed Jennifer Lyon for deletion, but I don't understand how to start a discussion entry about it. The instructions at Articles for deletion aren't very clear, as the link to a previous debate doesn't get me anywhere and I'm not seeing anything that says "this articles entry". I've got some other articles to propose for deletion as well, but I can't really get anywhere until I understand how this works. Would somebody please help me out? Thanks. Survivorfan1995 (talk) 05:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm creating the AfD page for you so be prepared to give a rationale shortly. User:Survivorfan1995. Altamel (talk) 05:35, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Your AfD nomination for Jennifer Lyon is now listed at Articles for deletion/Jennifer Lyon (3rd nomination). Be aware that deleting this article may be difficult as it has already survived two a previous deletion discussion. The reason why nominating this article for AfD was more complicated was because of those previous nominations. While I am happy to help you with this request, I have no opinion on whether the article is notable or not. Altamel (talk) 05:43, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. But I still don't understand how to do that myself. I've got the same issue over at Sweet Jane (CSI). Survivorfan1995 (talk) 06:03, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * PROD is for uncontroversial deletions. Sweet Jane has barely been edited in the past few years, and if nobody objects within 7 days (by deleting the PROD tag), an administrator will delete the article. If somebody does object, that objection permanently prevents the deletion of the article under the PROD process. You cannot add a PROD tag back to an article, no matter who removes it. However, articles that have been objected to under PROD or are controversial should be nominated via articles for deletion. You may have seen some people unilaterally redirect a previously-existing article, but that may not be a good idea, especially if the article has already been through the AfD process, which was the case with Jennifer Lyon. The point of the PROD process is to save space on AfD for articles that would obviously be deleted anyway. AfD is required for any article whose deletion requires discussion. If you want to nominate an article for AfD, just follow the instructions on the Articles for Deletion page. They are pretty straight-forward. Happy editing! Altamel (talk) 06:17, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * (e/c) At Jennifer Lyons, and now at Sweet Jane (CSI), you posted prod tags through the proposed deletion process, which is an entirely separate process from Articles for Deletion. If you propose an article for deletion, there is no discussion. If the prod tag remains for more than seven days (no one removes it, and note that anyone can, including the article's creator and it cannot be re-posted) then an Administrator will delete the article or in some cases decline to delete it (Prod is for uncontroversial deletions, so one basis might be that a person reviewing might feel deletion without debate would be controversial). Again, Prod and AfD are separate processes. If a prod tag is removed or declined, you can then open up an AfD debate, following the steps at the link you posted yourself. The reason you are not seeing "this article's entry" is because you did not insert at the top of the article – the first step of the instructions for starting an AfD – but used a prod tag instead. What Altamel did was remove your prod and make an AfD instead.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:27, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Article
can make self article in wikipeda — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.63.235.249 (talk) 07:04, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi there: If you're looking to write an article about yourself, I would make sure to thoroughly consult WP:COI. Feel free to contact me on my talk page if you have any questions. Thanks. Safehaven86 (talk) 07:19, 3 January 2014 (UTC)r

Rename article
I created John Arthur James - Coton House yesterday and think I should have named it Mr & Mrs Arthur James - Coton House. Any thoughts? And if I do change it, is it easy?

Sidpickle (talk) 09:32, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You will need to move it, but please read the naming guidelines as well as WP:COMMONNAME. - Purplewowies (talk) 09:40, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Definitely not "Mr and Mrs" - it's about him, not them, and Wikipedia article titles don't use courtesy titles as a default. Surely it should just be "John Arthur James"?  - Ka renjc (talk) 09:43, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I think I'll sleep on it for a bit. Alternatively write her story as a separate article? She was a character and lived on 30 years after he died. She was Lady of the Manor at Coton House and the village. Played the organ at the church and speeded up if she needed to catch the train up to London. If the vicar's sermon went on too long, she would cough as a warning for him to hurry up.

Thanks for reply - always good to have someone to discuss ideas with. Happy New Year - Ted

Sidpickle (talk) 10:08, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Later in the article, and in the latest online-accessible reference in the article, he is referred to as "Arthur James". But there are many other "Arthur James" and "John James" articles, so "John Arthur James" seems to me the best title. Maproom (talk) 10:21, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, both he and Venetia used their middle names rather than their first; her first name was Mary and his John. Agree about the name: "John Arthur James" to reduce confusion with others on Wiki. It was common in the period to call the wife after the husband, so Venetia was always referred to as Mrs Arthur James. http://lafayette.org.uk/jam1387.html

Sidpickle (talk) 12:41, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I have moved the article to John Arthur James. I doubt that his wife was notable enough to justify an article about her – being a "character" is not enough. Maproom (talk) 12:55, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.

Sidpickle (talk) 14:12, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Paclobutrazol
Paclobutrazol entry is not about paclobutrazol but Rickie Arthur — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.194.64.13 (talk) 11:32, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Not anymore, it isn't. Thanks for the heads-up. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  11:34, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Someone design an email signature about donation to wikipedia?
I was wondering whether we have graphic/web designers here who can design an email signature (in Yahoo/Gmail/etc) about donations/support to wikipedia?

I can simply put the link to wikipedia donations but would be nice if someone can give it a more refined touch. Also I understand too much of graphics/images/links can mark my email as spam... no?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.236.196.153 (talk) 12:42, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * FAQ/en has suggested pure text for email signatures. There is old suggested html for websites at 2011/Support/en. I dont know whether it works in the services you mention. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:10, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

This article: Hindi magazines?
I would like to ask whether this article is notable enough. It is filled with email addresses. What should be done? Hz.  tiang  13:02, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * In my initial look, I do not think it is something that should be in the encyclopedia. It is just a listing of addresses and email addresses, Wikipedia is not the yellow pages.  GB fan 14:51, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It is not an article, and does not belong here. It should be deleted. I see that a version of it exists in Hindi-language Wikipedia, where it is far more likely to be found useful. I guess they have different rules there. Maproom (talk) 16:44, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed and PRODded. -- Alexf(talk) 19:05, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Category:Hindi-language magazines seems sufficient to cover the list of Hindi languages magazines. -- Jreferee (talk) 19:16, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

DGCX
Dear editors: I came across this disambiguation page with two items. The first article on the list, though, appears to make no mention of the term "DGCX" on the article's page, so probably the page is not needed. I thought of starting an Afd, but really the page should be redirected to the second item on the list, so it's not actually a deletion. Is an Afd appropriate in this circumstance? I know that the result of an Afd discussion is sometimes "redirect". Or is there a better way? Posting on this obscure talk page is not likely to generate a discussion. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 14:43, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No need for an AFD - just change the page into a redirect to Dubai Gold & Commodities Exchange and add a hatnote to that page pointing to Dakota Gasification Company. There's not really any need for a disambig page in this case, but the title could be useful as a redirect. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It looks like DGCX is the railroad symbol for Dakota Gasification Company rail cars. GB fan 15:07, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * However, as there is no clear "Primary" topic, WP:TWODABS says a disambiguation page is appropriate. Arjayay (talk) 15:54, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You don't think Dubai Gold & Commodities Exchange - for which this is the most commonly used acronym - qualifies as a primary topic over a railroad symbol? Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  15:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If the symbol was important (I have no idea what "railroad symbols" are), wouldn't it be mentioned in the article about the railroad? Stock markets are routinely referred to by their "X" shortcuts. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 16:56, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I have learned something from this posting at any rate. Next time I will post on the talk page and just ask for advice with a pointer to the talk page.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 17:08, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Edit a Wikipedia page
Dear sir, Madam,

I would like to make an update of the antimony trioxide page but all our changes are deleted by the administrator.

what should I do?

Thank you

Nathalie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.219.144.63 (talk) 15:09, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The Antimony trioxide article hasn't been edited for months (by administrators or anyone else). It isn't protected, so you should be able to edit it even without an account. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  15:11, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Your contribution record shows to edits other than the question above, and the history record at the antimony trioxide page shows no recent edits, and no obvious sign of edits being reverted (by an administrator or by any other editor). When do you think you made the edits, under which account name, and when do you think that the edits were reverted? If you have links to WP:diffs or any other evidence, it would make it easier for someone to investigate and explain. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:16, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Church Of India-CIPBC
i AM TRYING TO MANAGE MY PAGE ITS NOT HELPING AT ALL  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anglican catholic II Provinces (talk • contribs) 17:27, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Your talk page explains why your article was deleted. It was nominated for failing to establish the notability of the organization and it contained copyrighted content. Please read your talk page.  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:37, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * (e/c)
 * 1) no page is "your" page.
 * 2) If you have a relationship to the subject of the article, you have a conflict of interest and should not be directly editing the article. You may make suggestions on the talk page (and support them by providing reliably published third party sources if you wish them to be acted upon in a timely manner). -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  17:39, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Ashish nanda
I need help with the references on this new article it says there's an error and I can't figure it out thanks. It's called Ashish Nanda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liberalufp (talk • contribs) 18:17, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * the content in the tags must come before the display template. In best practice, the citation information in the tags will come in the text of the article itself following the sentence which it supports. see WP:CITE for more details. --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  18:21, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

reflist requested altough it exists
I have edited the page "Iván Fischer" and added a reference but got the error message "Cite error: There are &lt;ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a reflist template (see the help page)." although there is a already a reflist on that page. I could not figure out what to do (I am new at Wikpedia editing). Thank you, Wikkancs
 * You used a backslash (\) to close a &lt;ref> tag instead of a regular slash (/).&#32;~HueSatLum 19:05, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * (e/c) You had an open ref tag but the closing ref tag had the slash going the wrong way. if you look here you can see the fix. The wikimarkup reader saw the open tag and went all the way to the end of the content and did not find a close and so it did not see any {reflist} after the last citation. --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  19:07, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

'Live' article in my Sandbox?
Hello, I have what appears to be a current version of an article I wrote, in my Sandbox. I don't want to delete it in case it is the live version, but would like to use the sandbox. Could someone help me resolve this please. Cheers. Melbourne3163 (talk) 20:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You can edit User:Melbourne3163/sandbox without it affecting Lisa Xu. C T F 8 3 !  20:36, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Melbourne3163/sandbox contained a redirect left over from when you moved the draft, and I've changed that to a simple link. You can replace that by whatever you want your new content to be. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:40, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks for your help. Much appreciated. Melbourne3163 (talk) 04:39, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Edit Help Page directions do not show up
I would like to correct (or ask to have corrected) some info on the following page https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification When I click the "Discussion" tab, I do not see an option to post my question. I do not see away to "add an edit template". I do not see and "edit administrator" listed. Obviously the page is protected, so how does it get edited? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charsager (talk • contribs) 21:29, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You reached the Bitcoin wiki, which is completely unaffiliated with Wikipedia (even though they've mimicked our layout) and thus we cannot assist you in editing a page on the Bitcoin wiki. I'm guessing you have to create an account over on their website and then you might be able to edit pages that have been protected. Altamel (talk) 21:37, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * They're using MediaWiki, so there should be a special page that lists the types of user rights and what they grant (there's one here, IIRC). Special:ListGroupRights is the special page, but it appears to say that you could edit any page. However, the source page says that to edit, you must make a donation with BitcoinPayment and have a user account with a confirmed email address. (In the future, it may be better to ask these things at the reference desk. - Purplewowies (talk) 22:15, 3 January 2014 (UTC) (Edited 22:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC))