Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 July 28

= July 28 =

Somewhat difficult edit for a newbie, help?
Hi all - as mentioned I am pretty new to this and am editing in the main introduction to 'Ras Kass'. It stated that Ras Kass is a member of the HRSMN when he left in January 2012. I have linked directly to Ras' resignation via his own channel on youtube so I can't see any disputes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoWkHuv49go ,, however I'm too much of a rookie to know whether this information should now be took out of the introduction and am not sure I have linked correctly as it displays a 4(with 'locked' symbol). Can someone please advise, if not I'll keep an eye on the page anyway and am genuinely learning a little every week, thanks everyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by L.J Sockington (talk • contribs) 00:54, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Since the video is from his official YouTube account, it's fine as a reference. I've cleaned up the reference a bit, so it now displays correctly in the article.  The lock symbol comes from, I believe, the fact that the address starts with https instead of simply http.  You don't need to worry about that.  Thanks for asking for help and trying to get things right.  I've left a welcome message on your talk page with links to various guidelines that should help you out.  Dismas |(talk) 07:36, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Since the video is from his official YouTube account, it's fine as a reference. I've cleaned up the reference a bit, so it now displays correctly in the article.  The lock symbol comes from, I believe, the fact that the address starts with https instead of simply http.  You don't need to worry about that.  Thanks for asking for help and trying to get things right.  I've left a welcome message on your talk page with links to various guidelines that should help you out.  Dismas |(talk) 07:36, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * A bit more on references and links. Links to web urls between square brackets are displayed with an automatically assigned number.  To display the bare url omit the brackets.  To display as some other name place the text to display after the url but before the closing bracket with a space between the url and the text.  However, neither format is in compliance with out Manual of Style; external links are not normally inserted directly into the body of an article.  Rather, it should be formatted as a reference (external links can also be placed in the external links section but "reference is what you want here).  User Dismas has just done this for you, but see WP:CITE for future reference.  There is a button for a citation tool to help you insert references at the top of the edit window. SpinningSpark 07:40, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Reporting an Admin
How do I report an admin that I believe has misusing their privileges as a administrator? This admin has been very rude and disrespectful to another editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.144.92 (talk) 02:26, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Before doing so, you should familiarize yourself with this Wikipedia page: Ownership of articles. You may find it enlightening.  Also, User:John from Idegon is not an admin.  -- Jayron  32  02:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, first I presume your talking about User:John from Idegon. That user is not an admin. As to the substance of the discussion on your talk page, lets focus on the substance of your dispute. The best case you can make for inclusion is that the information has been covered by independent, reliable sources. Generally, rather than decide what is an is not important ourselves, we try to reflect what the reliable sources think is important. If you can show coverage in more than one such source, I think you should be in good shape. I don't think it would go anywhere, and would advise focusing on finding those sources, but if you really really want to report them, WP:AN/I is the place. Monty  845  02:36, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying! --70.112.144.92 (talk) 02:48, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Deleted article
The page relating to Baker Tilly International has been deleted. We were notified that it was due to be deleted due to blatant self promotion. I made changes to the page and linked to a relevant document to support the claims made in the article, however the page was still deleted. Please can you let me know why it was deleted (I cannot find it in the deleted pages log) and if the page can be restored either by you, or by me adding it again. The self promotion related to the claim that Baker Tilly International is one of the largest accountancy networks in the world, which can be substantiated here: http://www.accountancyage.com/digital_assets/7572/Top_50_chart_2013.pdf. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beck5471 (talk • contribs) 08:02, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The proposed deletion process is only for uncontroversial deletions. Since you are challenging it, it is no longer uncontroversial so I have restored it.  It is still open to editors to start an Articles for Deletion debate which can result in the article being deleted by community consensus.  If a debate is started, it will be held open for at least seven days after a notice is placed on the article.  Deletion debates usually centre around discussion of notability.  See WP:42 for what is needed to establish notability in the article. SpinningSpark 09:46, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Can you remove an AfD if you change your mind?
I have nominated Prayas Nepal for deletion, but halfway through I changed my mind. Even though, I still proceeded with the steps. Is it acceptable to remove the AfD if you provide a rationale or something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ack! Ack! Pasta bomb! (talk • contribs) 09:37, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, just post a statement on the AFD page that you withdraw the nomination. Valenciano (talk) 09:41, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I have followed your advice, and I was wondering if it would be possible to tell an admin to delete the subpage.Ack! Ack! Pasta bomb! (talk) 09:48, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I deleted it for you. In the future if you are the only significant contributor to a page you can add db-g7 to the top of the page.  An admin will stop by and delete it for you.  GB fan 10:17, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

how do I flag a controversial statement with no citation?
In Pierre Chaunu, subhead "Works," there is the statement "South America experienced a steep drop in population at the arrival of the Spanish. From 80 million, the population went to 10 million in the span of half a century." This assertion has been the subject of an enormous controversy for thirty years -- at least the statement should be flagged as controversial -- how do I do that?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.40.89 (talk) 12:25, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The whole passage is already marked as "citation needed". If you have a reliable source that says this statement is controversial then go ahead and add it to the article.  Be sure to cite your source.  Otherwise, there are suitable templates at Template messages/Cleanup that can be placed at the head of the section. SpinningSpark 15:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you SpinningSpark. I have added a parenthesis and cited my source. Acebros. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.40.89 (talk) 19:01, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Can't create an article on a company ?
Hi,

I was wondering if I would be allowed to create an page about NewVoiceMedia. It's a ramping up company which raised a lot of founds, and a strong partner of the giant Salesforce. I've heard problems happened when creating this page. I really dont know what kind of problems. I just would like to know, in case of, why the creation of the page would be impossible ? I totally understand Wikipedia is not meant to advertise, so the page would just be an English one, as the company is Brittish Lots of references actually exists among others websites about this company (even here, on Wikipedia), so why not on wikipedia ?

Thanks a lot in advance.

Above, find 2 pages on wiki where this company is already named, in major fund raisings.
 * Bessemer Venture Partners
 * Notion Capital

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.140.251.100 (talk • contribs) 13:25, 28 July 2014‎ (UTC)


 * Hello. The criterion is purely whether or not the company currently meets the conditions of notability - which mostly means whether reliable sources, independent of the company have written about it at length. References in Wikipedia, or in unreliable sites (such as forums and most blogs) are not relevant. If those sources exist, then an article may be written, but must be neutral and not promotional in any way. This page is only about the English Wikipedia: other Wikipedias have their own policies, which could be different. "Ramping up" companies are usually not yet notable, but there could be exceptions. --ColinFine (talk) 14:12, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you have an association with the company, such as employment? If so, please read the conflict of interest policy.  Creating an article about a company with which you are associated is strongly discouraged.  Robert McClenon (talk) 15:33, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * "Ramping up" sounds like the newest fad word for "up and coming". Maybe you could try again if and when it actually becomes notable, but heed Robert's warning about conflict of interest. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  12:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Deleting a Wikipedia article you published
I wanted to create a draft of an article so I could submit it and receive feedback before posting it, but I accidentally just posted the article to Wikipedia instead of creating a draft first. Is there any way I can delete the article I posted? Thanks! 200Boston (talk) 16:03, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Someone tagged it for deletion, but I have instead moved it to your userspace at: User:200Boston/Mark Kritzman so you can continue to work on it.--ukexpat (talk) 17:03, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Already existing wikipedia
Hi, I have a question about a Wikipedia page I am looking to create. I want to create a page for the men's fashion brand Sarar USA. Since the brand is international, though, a page already exists for it on the German Wikipedia site. That page focuses majority on the Sarar brand in Europe. With the page I want to create, it would focus on the USA brand. Can I still create a new page for Sarar USA or is that too similar in information to the German page? In addition to this, if I were to create a page for the US Sarar, would I be permitted to use some of the information they've already posted since the history and some of today's facts about the company would be the same. In addition to this, I am a little confused about how the title of articles on Wikipedia pages work. Is the username you create the name of the title of the article you are trying to create or is there some way to change the title of the article to be different than the username. Every time I go to create an article, the title of the page seems to be the username I chose, which I would need to be different. Please let me know when you have a chance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlefalls46 (talk • contribs) 16:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Each different language Wikipedia is a separate project with its own governance, and its own rules. There can be articles on the same subject in different Wikipedias, and they can be translations of each other, entirely independent creations, or any combination; but if (part of) one article is translated into another, the source must be properly attributed. So, provided that Sarar meets the English Wikipedia's criteria of notability, you may create an article on it, by translating or otherwise. (The existence of an article in the German Wikipedia does not necessarily mean that it will meet the criteria for the English one, as the rules might be different). Please see translate us for more information.
 * The page User:Littlefalls46 is called your user page, and is intended for you to share some information about you as a Wikipedia editor if you wish. it is not a recommended place for creating an article. You may create an article in a user sandbox (a page called User:Littelfalls46/some name), or in draft space (eg Draft:some name. It is permitted to create an article directly in main space, or to move an article there, but I wouldn't recommend it for an inexperienced editor, as many such attempts get deleted for various reasons. Better to develop the article in user space or draft space, and then get it moved to main space once it has passed review by a more experienced editor. Please see your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 16:42, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Creating an article directly in article space isn't even a good idea for experienced editors. Only a "wizard" can create an article with proper references and proper information in a single editing session.  If an incomplete article is entered in article space while the creator is researching adding the references, it is likely to be tagged for speedy deletion or proposed deletion.  As ColinFine says, the article can be composed in user space or in draft space.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:23, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Creating Wikipedia
Hi, I'm just wondering.. I have a friend of mine and I want to create a personal Wikipedia of him.. is this possible? what step should I do?? Please Help.. it is my first time.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BaguioWikiCreator (talk • contribs) 16:59, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Almost certainly no. Unless your friend is notable (see WP:BIO). If they are, you still shouldn't create an article on them, because you have a conflict of interest. - X201 (talk) 18:27, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikia is thataway.-- Auric    talk  22:41, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Way to search many wikis at once?
Does anyone know of a tool that let's one search many wiki's at once? E.g. all the English wikipedias, including commons? Kind of a meta-search tool? Be useful, at least, whenever a template or category move/rename gets suggested. Thanks either way — Lentower (talk) 22:10, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * You can use Google search operators to do this. To search all Wikipedias for "Coca-Cola" one can use the search term Coca-Cola site:wikipedia.org.  To limit searches to just the English Wikipedias (there are only two: en and simple) they must be specified separately with an OR operator like Coca-Cola site:en.wikipedia.org OR site:simple.wikipedia.org.  Note that Commons is not a Wikipedia so must also be added separately.  For instance to find "rabbit" on both simple Wikipedia and Commons do rabbit site:simple.wikipedia.org OR site:commons.wikimedia.org.  I left en.wiki out of this last one because en tends to swamp all the other results due to the much larger number of articles, but it can be included with a further OR operator.  Other projects like Wiktionary, Wikivoyage, Wikiversity etc can all be added with further OR operators if required.  If you want to limit to results that only appear in the page title then the intitle: operator can be used: intitle:rabbit site:simple.wikipedia.org OR site:commons.wikimedia.org.  Hope that helps at all.  Oh, just noticed that I lied, there is another English Wikipedia Scots, Wikipedia. SpinningSpark</b> 10:17, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * you were right first time, there are only two English Wikipedias. I think most Scots would be aghast at bein lumpt agether wit Anglish. :P  Green Giant  ( talk )  11:59, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * According to our article Scots language "Scots is generally regarded as one of the ancient varieties of English". Also "A 2010 Scottish Government study...found that 64% of respondents...don't really think of Scots as a language" so most Scots apparently don't think it is a separate language from English at all, let alone object to being classed with it. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 12:35, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

. Any other suggestions? — Lentower (talk) 00:40, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It would help if you explained exactly what you are trying to achieve. Why are the suggestions you already have not good enough? <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 00:51, 30 July 2014 (UTC)