Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 July 31

= July 31 =

Picture from the WP in Hebrew cannot be displayed here, at the WP in English
Is it possible to have (and/or upload) this picture from the WIKIPEDIA in Hebrew on the WIKIPEDIA in English? It is for the article of Edith Hahn Beer. ★ Nacho ★    ★ 02:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * This image is used in Hebrew Wikipedia on grounds of "fair use": its copyright notice there (machine-translated into English) says "This image is a book cover. The assumption is that you can use these images under fair use entry on the book by the laws of copyright . Therefore, you can use this picture for about Edith Hahn only." I believe that "fair use" is applied more restrictively here on en:Wikipedia than on some other Wikipedias – maybe an expert can help? Maproom (talk) 07:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Book covers (unless very old) are copyrighted. Fair use of book covers is usually only accepted on the English Wikipedia for articles about the book, not articles about the book's author. See our guideline on fair for more details. SpinningSpark 11:10, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Naming an article about a pseudonym
Dear editors: I am working on a draft article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Alex Rutherford  A husband and wife team are both authors. The wife has written a number of non-fiction books alone; the couple have written several non-fiction books under their own names; as well they have written a series of fiction books under a pseudonym as if they were one person. I am still working on finding and adding citations to the article, but eventually I will have to choose a name. The draft was submitted under the pseudonym, but the article isn't totally about that. Would it be reasonable to title the article "Diane and Michael Preston", reorganize the article to discuss the older books first and the newer books under the pseudonym last, and create redirects "Diane Preston", "Michael Preston (author)", and "Alex Rutherford"? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 02:59, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Interesting question! I'm trying to find existing examples to compare. The musicians Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel each have separate articles as well as one at Simon & Garfunkel, but they're much more notable than the Prestons. I suppose the questions to consider are: Is each of the Prestons individually notable? If so, how does their individual notability compare with their collaborative notability? And how does the notability of their nonfiction work (using their real names) compare with the notability of their fiction (using the pseudonym)? If there's a clear answer, the article title should be selected accordingly, with redirects from the other cases. If the answers are equivocal, then separate articles for their fiction and nonfiction personas might be justified if there is sufficient notability in both cases. What kind of sales figures (number of copies sold) are we talking about in each case? — Jaydiem (talk) 13:56, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Addendum: Here's the WP article-titling guideline most directly applicable to this case: WP:Naming conventions (people) — Jaydiem (talk) 14:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Super Feed Me Duplicated article
I was wondered for Nitrome Article was duplicated for Super Feed Me. I know that called Speedily Deletion for Wikia articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryancyriel (talk • contribs) 03:13, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I am not sure I entirely understand your question, but the speedy delete request is because the article is a copy of a Wikia article. The Wikia article is released under a CC-BY-SA licence, but it is unattributed in Wikipedia so it thus currently still a copyright violation. That could, however, be fixed by adding the appropriate attribution. It is preferable to import articles from other wikis rather than copying in order to preserve the edit history, but I don't know how easy it is to import from Wikia.  It is usually the other way round, we export stuff to Wikia we don't want here. SpinningSpark 11:31, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Rich Constable
A user, Djflem, is obsessed with him.

Djflem only makes changes to his page to embarrass him. Indeed, he spends paragraphs discussing obscure topics relating to him, to make him appear incompetent.

Further, 7 months ago the Mayor of Hoboken, Dawn Zimmer, went on television and alleged that Constable and 3 other Governor Chris Chris cabinet official extorted her. Zimmer's only "evidence" was a notebook that Zimmer purportedly authored 8 months earlier. Constable has never been arrested or convicted (nor the other 2 Zimmer accused). Yet, Djflem only adds text and citations for the sole focus of sensationalizing and supporting Zimmer's unproven allegation.

Last, Djflem added a section on Constable's page about COAH. Other than the first 2 sentences, Constable isn't even mentioned. Again, Djflem's point is to make Constable look bad.

Please stop Djflem from vandalizing Constable's page.

This is a BPL of a marginally relevant person (he is a member of Gov. Chris Christie's cabinet).

Djflem should not be permitted to defame him with tabloid-like negative edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FB90:1506:76ED:2050:EA7C:52C7:299F (talk) 03:24, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * This should probably have been raised at the Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard, rather than here. Having taken a quick look at the article myself, I can see that there are may be problems - hopefully a few more eyes on the article might clear things up. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:35, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Request deletion of userpage subpages
I've made a few subpages while editing my userpage and while writing a userscript and a couple of those subpages I actually don't want anymore. How do you mark a script subpage for deletion? For example..User:David_Condrey/sidenav.js I tried marking it db-g7 as I would for a typical userpage but the tag doesn't work. Thanks. David Condrey (talk) 06:00, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * See Template:Db-u1. Similar coding should work for G7, if you want to use that. Note that even though the speedy deletion tag doesn't appear on the saved page, the page will be properly listed in a speedy-deletion category so that an admin will find it and delete it. Deor (talk) 08:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Took care of it for you, but yeah, U1 as described at that link should get it deleted if you ever run into the issue again. Monty  845  14:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Template is disappearing
The template for episode 73 of Are You Afraid of the Dark keeps disappearing? How do i fix this?

It is on Season 6 episode 73.

List of Are You Afraid of the Dark? episodes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.168.17.2 (talk) 06:14, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * OK now? The name of the template, Episode list, had been deleted. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:18, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * OK now? The name of the template, Episode list, had been deleted. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:18, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, what was wrong with it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.168.17.2 (talk) 06:27, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The problem occurred in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Are_You_Afraid_of_the_Dark%3F_episodes&diff=prev&oldid=616798715 this edit] on July 13. You, or someone editing from your current IP address, tried to move an entry within the list but accidentally deleted the template name. The result,, displayed as a red link above the table. I'm not enough of an HTML expert to explain how the red link ended up there, but I've seen similar strange effects when table markup gets damaged. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:35, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

NWSL shield vs Supporters' Shield text in football league infobox
The MLS soccer league has an award called the Supporters' Shield for the club with the best regular season record. The NWSL has a similar award called the NWSL Shield. The football league infobox shows the label for this as "Current Supporters' Shield" and "Most Supporters' Shields." Is there a way to make the NWSL infobox display these labels as "Current NWSL Shield" and "Most NWSL Shields"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjwyatt (talk • contribs) 07:27, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Damaged template
The YearInNorthernIrelandNav template is damaged and not displaying correctly - see for example 1960 in Northern Ireland. I don't know how to get at the template and I'm not sure I'd be able to edit it correctly even if I could. Camboxer (talk) 08:05, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Some changes were made in June that appear to have broken the template. I've reverted them for now and will notify the editor who made the changes. - X201 (talk) 10:33, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * WP will refresh all pages that this template is on, eventually. You can hit Purge on the article page to force the issue. - X201 (talk) 10:38, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Users only have a purge button if they have installed the purge gadget (or something similar in personal javascript). The way to do it without the gadget is to append "?action=purge" to the url in the browser address bar. SpinningSpark 14:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Purging the page doesn't usually force updates from templates, unless you do a special kind of purge. The easiest way is to just do a null edit to the page.  Either way.  I've restored my changes to the template and fixed the issue which was for some reason my code didn't automatically subst like it was suppose to and there was a pipe that was lost somehow.  Anyways.  Let me know if you see any more issues like this in the future, and I'll fix it as promptly as I can. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 18:53, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Khoo Meng Yang
Hi This is Molly. I have created the page for Khoo Meng Yang on 29/7, and I received advises to add in the references. I have added in 3 references. How do I know the information is sufficient now and to so that to remove the tag. Thank you very much !

Regards Molly — Preceding unsigned comment added by Molly Low (talk • contribs) 10:08, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Facebook and Youtube are not reliable references. And while the third reference, to iska-asia.com, does mention Yang, it does little to demonstrate that he is notable. Moreover, parts of the article appear to be copyright violations of youtube. Maproom (talk) 11:15, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Expanding OCLC references
I'm helping a new editor write an article about an author. He has used in the bibliography list. Is there a tool that can expand these to complete "cite book" references? Neither "Reflinks" (which easily handles isbn/doi/pubmed and other similar codes) nor "Expand citations" in the Tools menu want to bite. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Follow the OCLC number link to the WorldCat site. There is a "Cite/Export" link near the top of the page for the entry. SpinningSpark</b> 14:36, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I didn't notice that link before. Just a pity they don't offer "Wikipedia Cite book" as a format option, I'll have to build each cite manually. Unfortunately the author predates the introduction of ISBNs, which would have made the task far too easy! Such are the penalties for helping newbies... (Hint for any lurking wikicoders - please add OCLC to the types of codes/index numbers that Reflinks or a similar tool can handle.) Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Coren Search Bot
I put up a new article Frank Hedges Butler a couple of days ago, & it got tagged by the search bot as a possible copyvio. I'm certainly not guilty of copypasting the content & imagine that it's been tagged because certain phrases (the fifth son on so-and so, a businessman from London, or whatever, are so generic that they are difficult to avoid). I was simply wondering why it's taking what seems to me to be a long time beforebeing either deleted or cleared. I have autopatrolled rights, if that is relevant.TheLongTone (talk) 16:35, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Are you asking why the notice/tag isn't going away? That is because the notice is part of the page text and you have to remove it yourself! Piguy101 (talk) 18:25, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * After taking a look at the article myself, I saw no copyright violations, so I removed the notice. You may want to report this false positive to the bot's owner, Coren. Piguy101 (talk) 18:29, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks...I thought that this was one of those templates that was not meant to be removed by the page creator.TheLongTone (talk) 19:09, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Biography of a deceased minor with inappropriate references in AfC
Dear editors: This draft Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Adam Walker is eligible for db-g13, but leaving it refundable doesn't seem right. Should another rationale be used? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 17:04, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The "References" section was clearly copied (rather crudely) from another article and has no relevance at all to the subject of the draft, thus the draft is actually completely unsourced. There is in fact no evidence that any of the claimed people or events ever existed/happened. Even if the article were sourced it clearly fails GNG, NMUSIC and NBIO. If the subject really did exist it is a biography with substantial unsourced negative content. So a G3 or G10 Speedy can be used to get rid of it permanently. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:29, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with your comments about lack of notability, but I am not convinced that there is clear evidence of vandalism or a hoax. With so many drafts about non-notable subjects being created, there is a need for some kind of general deletion reason for drafts about subjects that could in no way be improved to be acceptable articles.  I'm presuming that there isn't because it would cause arguments, and that the alternative is MfD. I considered removing the useless reference list, but didn't in case I needed to use G13. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 21:49, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Company Page
Hi,

My name is Taylor and I am a freshman at Indiana University. Recently I wrote an article on a company located in Beverly Hills, CA, which is where I grew up. The company is called "Manor Ridge Wealth." I was wondering how long it will take for the company information to go up on Wikipedia or what the reason is that it has not been submitted already. Please let me know as soon as possible. Thank you for your time and help.

Best regards, Taylor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tkepp33 (talk • contribs) 18:41, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Firstly please do not add any personal information as everything is public. If you feel that the company meets WP:Notability, please use the Article_wizard and create your own article! If you have further questions, please do ask! Jab843 (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The phrase "Located in the heart of Beverly Hills" sounds like something copied from promotional material, and is not suitable for an article. If you rewrite it in your own words, you could make it less promotional, as well as dealing with any copyright problem. But the draft article has a more serious problem. It provides no evidence (in the form of citations of independent reputable sources) that the company is notable, in the special sense used here in Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 22:23, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages
Hi, all. I would like to know the communities' opinion about disambiguating a word ("FIRJAN") that has two meanings: it is related both to an African tribe and a Brazilian company. I think it is legitimate to create this disambiguation page, but there is a user that insists it is a promotional action. There is no doubt I am from this company that would not like to have its name confused with a tribe, but the fact I am the one doing this edit does not make it promotional. What do you think? Am I breaking any policy of Wikipedia in doing so? Best wishes, Bernardo --Sistema Firjan (talk) 21:00, 31 July 2014 (UTC).


 * After reading through Redirect, abbreviations are one argument for the legitimacy of redirects. I suggest that you make a post on User_talk:The_Banner's talk page and let them explain why they feel it is not in line with wikipedia policy. Jab843 (talk) 21:52, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I thought that the recommended policy was to use a db page only when there are three or more entities which the name might refer to. With only two, there can be two articles, each with a note at the top saying e.g. "For the African tribe, see ......". Maproom (talk) 22:28, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The guidance is at WP:TWODABS


 * If there are only two topics to which a given title might refer, and one is the primary topic, then a disambiguation page is not needed—it is sufficient to use a hatnote on the primary topic article, pointing to the other article.
 * If there are only two topics to which a given title might refer, but .... there is no primary topic, then the base name should lead the reader to the disambiguation page for the term.
 * So, is there a "primary topic"? Arjayay (talk) 09:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * In this case, there is no need to decide on a primary topic since there is a difference in capitalisation. This should be handled with hatnotes and the disambiguation page is entirely superfluous. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 10:10, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I was about to put in those hatnotes and a redirect from FIRJAN but have just noticed that the article Industry Federation of the State of Rio de Janeiro is up for deletion. Probably best to let that play out first, if it gets deleted the disambiguation issue goes away anyway.  I recommend that the OP concentrate on defending this, and other articles from the same organisation, before worrying about disambiguation issues. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 10:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, guys. My name is Luis and I am now in charge of this account. From what I could see, the article about the Industry Federation of the State of Rio de Janeiro has already been defended. Besides, an editor has already made major cleanups and is pleased with the final result. Is there anything else I should do about it? Many thanks,--Luis at Sistema FIRJAN (talk) 13:37, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I have no comment on the article. But there is a problem. Your username Luis at Sistema FIRJAN and that of Sistema Firjan both contravene Wikipedia policy, as they are promotional, as defined at Username_policy. I advise you, Bernardo and Luis, to create new user accounts, one per person as sharing of user accounts is forbidden. Your Firjan-named accounts are likely to be blocked, but you will be able to continue editng with your new accounts. Maproom (talk) 21:02, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I find that I was mistaken. Username_policy clearly states that names like "Mark at WidgetsUSA" are acceptable. I apologise to Luis at Sistema FIRJAN for my mistaken advice. And I am pleased to see that no admin has been misled into banning his account. Maproom (talk) 22:54, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You are correct, if it said Sistema FIRJAN or Staff at Sistema FIRJAN, that would be in violation, but the name with a company is not. You can view our current policies at WP:UP. You can also put a message on my talk page if you have further questions. Jab843 (talk) 17:51, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Help requested for page in deletion process
I am the originating author of the page T.R. Threston and I have proof that the sources sited are true and I am willing to fax or email over the proof. There is a lot of negative bias on her "Talk" page and it very oblivious the people reporting the citing and sources as false didn't check very hard at all. And they are actually bordering on libel at this point since everything can be proven true. Kindly advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AustralianThreston (talk • contribs) 21:39, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I think the biggest problem with that article isn't so much that the sources are not present, it is that the article doesn't seem to meet WP:Notability, please read the guidelines and let me know if you have any further questions. Jab843 (talk) 21:47, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, there is a difference between saying that a statement in a biography of a living person may be libelous, and saying that one may consider libel action because of the statement. The former is permitted, and the policy on biographies of living pesons exists both for humanitarian purposes (to protect the subject) and for legal purposes (to protect Wikipedia).  However, any mention by an editor that they may consider action for libel is a legal threat, and will normally result in an indefinite block, because legal threats are inconsistent with the concept of a collaborative editing environment.  Statements made by the Original Poster on the talk page crossed the line of legal threats, and the OP was blocked.  Please consider retracting the legal threats and requesting permission to provide reliably sourced information on the article talk page instead.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:05, 1 August 2014 (UTC)