Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 July 8

= July 8 =

Referencing errors on Robert Frederick Foster
Reference help requested.

Technically what is the difference between the pairs {Note a Ref 3} and {Note c Ref 10}?

After some experiments not saved: both refs [ref name=NYT, ennever] are defined under References. Both are first used/called prior to use within the two efn Notes. Both efn [name=fire, pelman] are defined under Notes.

The other nested pair {Note b Ref 1} is technically distinct because the unnamed efn is defined inline.

{c, 10} differs from {a, 3} in one way that I see, that {c, 10} is new whereas nested pairs {Note a Ref 3} and {Note b Ref 1} were in place yesterday (then ref# 6, 2) without any cite error.

Thanks, P64 (talk) 01:04, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I suspect you've run into bugzilla:20707. Both the "fire" endnote and the "pelman" endnote are defined correctly, but the software isn't robust enough to cope when both are defined in the "Notes" section. You'll have to move one or both of the endnote definitions out of the "Notes" section up to where they are called. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:40, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Policy/Guideline about admin accountability about admin actions
Can someone please point me to the specific policy or guideline which states that admins need to respond to concerns raised by the community over their admin actions? I'm pretty sure that I've seen it before, but can't find it right now. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:37, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * WP:ADMINACCTAlanscottwalker (talk) 01:46, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks! A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:25, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

How can "Pariah (play)" be included in the search box list when searching "Pariah"?
When one types the search word "Pariah" into the Wikipedia search box, a list appears of various articles that begin with that word -- what's missing from that list is the Strindberg play: "Pariah (play)", which does indeed exist as an article. How can the search be changed so that if one types in "Pariah" then "Parah (play)" will be included in the list? Thank you. Barklestork (talk) 02:44, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello Barklestork. There are so many items starting with the word "Pariah" that not all of them show up.  However, there is a disambiguation page, which is just called Pariah.  If you add Pariah (play) to that page, people should at least be able to find it on that list and click on it. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 02:58, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and added the play to the DAB page. Entries there can be a little tricky (though not overwhelmingly so) when you haven't worked with them before. I see that you have recently created the article for the play. That is another reason it did not show up in your search. It will take awhile (though I have no idea how long) for the article to register in both Wikipedia's and other online search engines. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 03:23, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * In my experience, new Wikipedia articles show up in Google within 24 hours after they are moved to article space. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:47, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Pariah (play) was created 29 June and indexed by Wikipedia's searh engine long ago. As Anne says, there are just too many pages at Special:PrefixIndex/Pariah to list all of them in the drop-down list. It doesn't show up for me until I enter "pariah (p" or "pariah p" (parentheses are ignored). Most users wouldn't know this trick but adding it to Pariah should handle it. You can also click the "containing..." link at the bottom of the drop-down list to get a full search page, but many users don't know this. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:54, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

semipositone
what is semipositone? and semipositone boundary value problem? can anyone answer this question.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.255.248.186 (talk) 05:49, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * This is not the place for this type of question, please see Reference desk.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 05:56, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

tutorials on internet application
how can i get tutorial on internet application — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.251.171.204 (talk) 10:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * You could ask at the WP:Reference desk/Computing, but please specify what Internet application you are interested in. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

deth toll
how do you put number from un trasted sites to make muslim bad people — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dodi18forever (talk • contribs) 11:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I guess it might be List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll? If so, please see the detailed discussion here - Arjayay (talk) 11:41, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, it is unclear what you are talking about.

info-box image size
Hello, I'm trying to edit the info-box of the page Community of Democracies in order to add the logo to the info-box, but the picture comes way too big, taking over all of the screen, and I can't seem to make it smaller. File:Community of Democracies Logo.jpg Can anyone help me? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danisl (talk • contribs) 11:52, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * User:Mdann52 has fixed it for you.--ukexpat (talk) 16:18, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Brendon David Yohance Harris
Dear Sirs/Madam,

Thank you and the folks at GRiot for attempting to upload information about my football playing career. If there is is any information needed I would like to help if possible.

Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brendon David Yohance Harris (talk • contribs) 13:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Brendon David Yohance Harris (Footballer) has been deleted as an abandoned draft. Because you are the subject you should not try to resurrect it. Maybe someone from the Footy Project would take it on?--ukexpat (talk) 16:01, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Books and WP:REX
I've noticed that WP:REX apparently doesn't "handle full-book scans", so what am I supposed to do if I do need access to a non-publicly available book for some articles I'm working on. (Google Books won't provide even a snippet view and there are no copies available on Amazon.) --Jakob (talk)  16:15, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * "your local library may be able to obtain it through an interlibrary loan" -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  17:20, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Which would work if I only needed it once. Instead, I'll need it every time I write an article on a Pennsylvania stream (The book is Pennsylvania Gazetteer of Streams Part II and it's the only source I can find that lists the length of streams in Pennsylvania, which is very important information to have.) --Jakob (talk)  17:26, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I deeply sympathize, Jacob. All I can suggest is to look for the book through some legitimate independent book dealers, rather than going solely to A****n. (I will forbear from naming any of them, since I work [very part-time] for one such.) -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  17:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Jakob, are you located anywhere near Selinsgrove? The Blough-Weis Library has a copy.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  17:58, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Adding a Picture to an existing page that has pictures in a table
Near the bottom of the Suwannee River page there is a table of land marks along the river in GA and FL. The first two points in Fla (Rt 6 & Hwy 41) are missing pictures. I was on the river last weekend and have pictures of those locations. I'm a new user and haven't made any edits previously. From reading 'help' materials it seems that I might have to edit 10 other pages before I'm allowed to add pictures. Is there a faster/simpler way to get the pictures into that table? I don't plan on making edits on a regular basis. Thanks in advance for any direction you can provide. .. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steven w hinton (talk • contribs) 17:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * If you are the copyright holder (and it sounds like you are) the preferred location for free pictures is Commons, which does not have the 10 edit requirement.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  17:27, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Request a new article
Is there any place in Wikipedia where I can make a request that a new article be started (e.g., if I don't have the time and/or knowledge to start that article, but I feel that is it a worthwhile article to have)? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk)
 * Requested articles -- S Philbrick (Talk)  19:38, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, Requested articles is very backlogged, but it is the place for the request. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:48, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Wow, is it ever backlogged! Let me ask a related question. If the subject is clearly notable, how "minimal" does a new article need to be, such that it will not get deleted (e.g., I can start a "bare bones" article, but I don't have a lot of time to really flesh out a decent article.)? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:46, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * As long as the article has a few reliable references demonstrating its notability, a stub with just a few sentences is alright. Piguy101 (talk) 20:57, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Are these sufficient?  (See User:Joseph A. Spadaro/Sandbox/Page65.)  Thanks.   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:59, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I don't believe that simply having an imdb page about an actor/actress is enough to count for notability.Naraht (talk) 21:27, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * IMDB is not considered a reliable source. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:06, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. IMDB isn't considered reliable for biographical info.  See also WP:RS.  Also, just because someone has an IMDB entry does not make them notable.  Many people who are basically just bit part players and are never named on screen have IMDB entries but they would not be considered notable by WP standards.  e.g. I have an IMDB entry but am not notable at all.  Dismas |(talk) 02:49, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:10, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

The Capitol Symphonic Youth Orchestras
We have tried to create a page for our Youth Orchestra in Virgina - but it has been removed every time. Please advise me how to start the process again - so that we can be part of your wonderful website. Thank you!

Virginia


 * Bay Youth Orchestras of Virginia[50]
 * American Youth Philharmonic Orchestras[51]
 * Lake Braddock Orchestra Program
 * Liberty Academy Youth Orchestra
 * Peninsula Youth Orchestra
 * Richmond Symphony Youth Orchestra
 * Roanoke Youth Symphony Orchestra[52]
 * Williamsburg Youth Orchestra
 * The Capital Symphony Youth Orchestras[53]
 * McLean Youth Orchestra
 * Rappahannock Youth Orchestra
 * McLean Area Orchestra — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.66.41.62 (talk) 20:00, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The article was lasted deleted in 2012, for the reason "Unambiguous advertising or promotion." Click The Capitol Symphonic Youth Orchestras to view the whole deletion log. Piguy101 (talk) 21:01, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not for telling the world about something, no matter how wonderful or worthy it is. Wikipedia is only interested in having an article about something if it has already been written about, at length, in reliable places such as major newspapers - not blogs or forums, not its own website, not listings, and not its press releases. If it meets that requirement, then we could have an article about the orchestras, which must reference these reliable sources both to demonstrate that the subject has been written about, and to provide a source for all the information in the article. Such an article must be written in a neutral tone, appropriate to an encyclopaedia. It is not clear from your language whether you are associated with the orchestras or not: if you are, you have a conflict of interest, and it is likely to be difficult for you to write in the required neutral way. --ColinFine (talk) 23:30, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Britain strongest man
I have only just looked by chance on the wikipedia web site about my brother as I come across his reward ceremony when he won britains strongest man in 1994 on you tube it bought back many happy memories especially seeing my dads proud face who is no longer whith us ,only to see a link that got me to Wikipedia,and only to see that you got it wrong ,in 1994 my brother tommy smith (tommy the tank) came first bill pittuck came second and lee bowers came third lewis capes came fourth,in 1993 Adrian smith came first bill pittuck came second tommy smith came third .I would please ask you correct this please as the information is wrong regards mrs Floyd

86.31.102.166 (talk) 20:55, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * You need to be a little more clear in what you are asking to be changed on Britain's Strongest Man. Additionally, can you find a source that supports your claims? Piguy101 (talk) 21:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * According to this, Pittuck indeed was Britain's Strongest Man in 1994. Smith was UK Strongest Man that year, and Pittuck was second. Pretty close. Smith is listed properly at UK Strength Council. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:14, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Flickr Question
I have a question about uploading images from Flickr. It is searched as part of the free image search tool, yet I see a copyright on some of the files that appear. Do they qualify as free (public domain) images, fair use, or what? Asarelah (talk) 22:48, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you link to an example of what you mean? Some images on Flickr are marked as "some rights reserved".  This can mean a variety of different things.  It might just be indicating that attribution is required, which is compatible with use on Wikipedia.  On the other hand it might be indicating non-commercial use only, which is not compatible with Wikipedia.  The details of the licence of each image have to be examined individually before we can say whether it can be uploaded here. SpinningSpark 23:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * A lot of files on Flickr are licensed "Some rights reserved", this should be a link on the file page, click on that and in most cases you're allowed to use and distribute.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 03:36, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * This is the image I'd like to use: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jamiemonk/5868866669/in/photolist-8hg3Ls-4j8NRp-aNrqEV-9WBtAn-6pfryP Does it fall under fair use criteria if I upload it with credit to the photographer? There's already a free image in the article but its terrible quality. Asarelah (talk) 14:15, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * No, that can't be used here. Wikipedia's rules on fair use are rather strict. That picture would fail point 1 of the non-free content criteria, because, assuming the statue still exists, a free equivalent could be created and uploaded. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:41, 9 July 2014 (UTC)