Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 June 11

= June 11 =

Introduction to Wikipedia
Hi,

I would like to make an edit in the "Introduction to WikiPedia" page. The page is in the welcome e-mail that I received as a new account member. I am not able to edit on that page. Please tell me how to.

Thanks very much.

Michelle A. Dryden 01:05, 11 June 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdryden14 (talk • contribs)


 * Mdryden14, the Introduction page is protected from editing by anyone but administrators. If there is an error that you'd like to point out or improvement that you'd like to suggest, then you can post those on the talk page for the introduction at Wikipedia talk:Introduction.  Dismas |(talk) 02:03, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Farwell, Texas
Reference help requested.

I have looked through this reference and do not know what I did wrong and cannot ascertain how to fix. It's saying double page, but uncertain what that means.

Thanks, Cycushenberry (talk) 01:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Cycushenberry, I fixed the problem with the article. You accidentally deleted the first line of the infobox at the top of the article which broke the page up.  I've removed the mention of Charlie Phillips since we don't have an article about him.  In lists of notable people, we generally keep those limited to those who we already have articles for.  Dismas |(talk) 01:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I have restored the entry for Phillips. It is incorrect that lists require notability to be established by linking to a Wikipedia article.  Notability can be established by referencing and the editor provided a reference.  For this particular list, the hidden instructions make it explicitly clear that this is an acceptable selection criterion.  This bio would suggest that Phillips meets the notability requirements of WP:MUSIC on at least two counts.
 * In fact, notability is not the only selection criterion that is used for lists, see WP:CSC. It is even possible to have lists in which none of the entries are notable.  However, indiscriminate lists are not allowed, some sort of sensible selection criteria must be used.
 * To the OP, your error in the reference was to use both the page= and pages= parameter simultaneously. See Help:Citation Style 1 for correct usage.  Spinning  Spark  08:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Script error in sandbox
I would like to request if my article can be created, but the option that I would click is replaced by "SCRIPT ERROR." I have no idea what to do or how to fix this, and I would really like to submit my creation to be looked at. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shk112 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I see that you've worked round the problem by copying from your sandbox into the relevant article. But it does seem that recent edits by [ping!] have broken the User sandbox template. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:38, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Whoops, sorry about that. I've fixed the error in Module:Clickable button 2, so it should be working now. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 08:14, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Referencing
Hello,

I have read a good deal of the articles provided by Wikipedia on how to properly reference an article for creation, but I want to clarify something. Does a certain percentage of the information on a Wiki page have to be refeneced? For instance, for a very simply, basic introduction of a company within an article, should the company's official website be referenced or is it considered common knowledge? This kind of information normally cannot be found through any other sources (such as through the news).

Thanks.

Hengtian (talk) 07:57, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * From our verifiability policy, the material that must have an inline reference is "All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material". There are some further requirements on biography articles.  However, all material in an article must be verifiable anyway, whether or not it has an inline cite.  As a rule of thumb, most reviewers expect an inline cite at least at the end of each paragraph.  You will make it easier for them to review (and hence to accept your draft) if you put an inline cite that verifies the text after each fact.
 * On the question of company websites, these can be used for referencing, but you should note a couple of things. First of all, that source is obviously not independent of the subject so does not count towards establishing notability.  Secondly, it is only considered a reliable source for basic facts like number of employees for instance.  It's opinions (especially about itself) and claims of importance should not be used in referencing.  Spinning  Spark  08:54, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Account
I've been inactive from Wikipedia for quite some time now and I am wondering if it is possible to start a new account to actively use while banishing this one. I have a few rights on this account also. TBrandley (T &bull;&#32;E) 08:05, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Does WP:CLEANSTART provide the information you require? CaptRik (talk) 08:38, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Copyright infringement?
I have come across this while out and about, which is clearly a mirror operating outside the CC-BY-SA licence. However, when I did a |type=domain&&value=en.vi.ki WHOIS lookup, I got nothing useful back. Any suggestions? -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  12:45, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Uploading photos
Hi All,

Often times when I upload my own photos they get removed. What's the best approach?

Thanks, Grigorij — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grigorij87 (talk • contribs) 13:03, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello, . It's hard to answer that question without any information about the particular cases. If your photos were deleted, there should be a trail saying who did it and why, but there's nothing on your talk page, so I don't know that happened. Usually it's because the photo is a copyright violation, or the uploader has not given the information necessary to determine that the copyright is OK. What exactly happened? Where did you try to upload the photos, what did you give for the copyright information, and how did you find out they were removed? --ColinFine (talk) 13:21, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

List of largest airlines in Africa
Very old listing. Needs updating.

Please use the latest statistical listing from IATA for up to date ranking of airlines in AFrica//// — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.55.83.9 (talk) 13:24, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Why don't you fix it?--ukexpat (talk) 13:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Which chart template to use?
I'm trying to make a chart as follows:

1887 Entity A---|                       |--1910 Entity D--1921 |--1901 Entity C-| 1899 Entity B-|                       |--1910 Entity E--1952

Two entities merged to form an entity that then split into 2 other entities that then later went belly up. Which template would best illustrate this? Rgrds. (Dynamic IP, will change when I log off.) --64.85.214.197 (talk) 14:04, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi. I believe that if you start at S-start it will lead you on to the most appropriate succession-box templates. --ColinFine (talk) 16:21, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. No, that's not what I'm looking for; that's a succession box type of template. I'm looking for a type of template like the family tree (however, none of the family tree templates allow for 2→1→2 progression).  Rgrds.  (Same IP as the OP.) --64.85.214.35 (talk) 16:54, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought of evolutionary diagrams, which lead me to Template:Clade. Primarily mean for cladograms, but it might work for this too? If you can get the 2-to-1 bracket working, at least. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 19:31, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. That's more along what I was looking for, but I couldn't quite figure out how to manipulate it properly.  That led me to find something else, and then something else, and then somehow I ended up at Template:Cotton processing flowchart which I figure I can tinker with.  But actually, I think for now just using the dashed-line mockup I used in the OP will suffice for now.  Thanks for the responses. Rgrds. (Same IP as the OP.) --64.85.214.213 (talk) 02:16, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

H.H.P.Deasy
I uploaded two pictures to be included in the page about Henry Hugh Peter Deasy. I only see them in Wikimedia commons. They are called Captain Deasy.JPG and London 1901.jpg. H.H.P. Deasy is definitely worth a better page, but I don't know anything about editing.I have the book about his explorations.

Hans Veldhuis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hans Veldhuis (talk • contribs) 14:33, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, those files are in Commons, but you can still see them in the English Wikipedia at File:Captain Deasy.JPG and File:London 1901.JPG (bear in mind that page names in Wikipedia are case sensitive, so File:London 1901.jpg doesn't exist). --David Biddulph (talk) 14:40, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Article not getting reviewed
I submitted an article for submission in march that was rejected because of a lack of references. I went through and added footnotes and other references and resubmitted may 15. It is now june 11 and the article is not even on the list of articles wikipedia has yet to review. How do I get it submitted properly so that it will be reviewed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabe.chaleff (talk • contribs) 15:25, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Gabe.chaleff - the reason why your article is not on the list to be reviewed is because you never actually re-submitted the page. I have restored the previous review banner that you removed in your sandbox, which should be kept for future reviewers to reflect on. This banner contains a "Resubmit" button that you can use to resubmit your article for review; just click it and follow the instructions. Hope this helps, ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 15:35, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabe.chaleff (talk • contribs) 20:41, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Larry Kelly (Handgun Hunter)
I wrote a new article for Wikipedia and submitted it about 6 months ago. I read your caveat in the submission process that your editors have a long backlog of new articles. The article has not yet appeared in Wikipedia and I have not been contacted by e-mail. I wonder if the article ever made it into your queue. Can you confirm for me that you have at least received the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.59.58.133 (talk) 15:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You won't get an e-mail - AFC communications are done via user talk pages, so please see the messages at User talk:4.59.58.133.--ukexpat (talk) 15:38, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Expanding on ukexpat's answer, your draft was declined and then wasn't touched in over six months; drafts that have not been edited in over six months are deleted. If you would like to request a copy of the draft to work on again, you can do so at Requests for undeletion/G13. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 15:43, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Help request from OTRS
If anyone is looking for a little wikignoming project, please take a look at: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians. Thanks in advance.--ukexpat (talk) 16:51, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Draft:Aity Sax
Reference help requested.

How do i cite references from a websites?

Thanks, Aitysax (talk) 17:52, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Please take a look at: referencing for beginners, WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY and WP:BIO.--ukexpat (talk) 18:57, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Linking pages to other Wikipedias
This used to be a simple thing, you did it manually by adding text to the end of the page. Wikidata improved this system but isn't working for me at the moment. It used to be available below the toolbox on the left, but now the only thing I have there is "languages", which when I click on it, simply gives me general language settings. When I tried the equivalent page on the German Wikipedia, it took me through to Wikidata, but then the edit refused to save. Can someone advise me what to do to get around this? For reference the pages I'm trying to link are Knaack club and. Valenciano (talk) 19:30, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Try it now, I've linked the two through Wikidata.  Green Giant  ( talk )  21:30, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help with that. Any idea how to do it when the second article is created? It used to work okay. Is it a case of going straight to Wikidata? Valenciano (talk) 21:31, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Do you have MonoBook as skin at Special:Preferences? "Add links" is missing in MonoBook when a page has no interlanguage links (64741). A possible workaround until the bug fix is deployed: Manually add  to the url in the browser address bar. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:31, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I checked the preferences and yes Monobook is the skin. Sorry for being a dummy, but I don't know what you mean by adding the useskin, do you mean add that before the page name? I tried linking Kulmbach (electoral district) with the German equivalent but I got the message: "Either provide the item "ids" or pairs of "sites" and "titles" for corresponding pages." I'm creating these missing pages bit by bit, so this will be a recurring issue. Valenciano (talk) 08:28, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No, he meant add it to the url in the address bar of your browser (and then press your browser "load" button). What it does is make the page display in vector even if you have some other skin set in your preferences.  Another way to do it is to temporarily change your preferences to vector (or permanently if you find you actually like vector).  Spinning  Spark  09:04, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * 64741 has been fixed so you no longer need vector. In MonoBook I had "Add links" at Kulmbach (electoral district). I clicked it and could easily enter "de" for German and "Bundestagswahlkreis Kulmbach" to link the pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:53, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Please help.
Hello. There is a problem with the following wikipedia page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMinnville_UFO_photographs One of the posters is constantly altering the final paragraph without cause to do so. The paragraph as it normally reads In August 2013, UFO researcher Brad Sparks posted a rebuttal regarding the IPACO McMinnville UFO studies in which he proved that the studies contained multiple foundation measurement inconsistencies. An example of this was IPACO applying and working with a 5 inch diameter for the UFO [in the McMinnville photos] in some instances, and also applying and working with a 6 inch diameter for it in others. Sparks proved that certain measurements within the studies were manipulated whenever they proved unable to support the "UFO-model-hanging-by-a-string" hoax hypothesis. [12] The paragraph after the poster alters it (bold type is added to text that is changed by me) reads In August 2013, UFO researcher Brad Sparks posted a rebuttal regarding the IPACO McMinnville UFO studies in which he asserted that the studies contained multiple foundation measurement inconsistencies. An example of this was IPACO applying and working with a 5 inch diameter for the UFO [in the McMinnville photos] in some instances, and also applying and working with a 6 inch diameter for it in others. Sparks argued that certain measurements within the studies were manipulated whenever they proved unable to support the "UFO-model-hanging-by-a-string" hoax hypothesis. [12] The problem is that the poster is trying to falsely give the impression that it is only alleged that there are flaws with the IPACO McMinnville UFO study. The poster does this by changing the word "proved" to "asserted". It is not an allegation, it is a fact as anyone can see if they go to the citation provided. The poster in question has been vandalising this paragraph for weeks so I'm formally reporting it as such.

Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.159.165.92 (talk) 19:34, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like you're in the middle of an edit war - you need to stop repeatedly reverting edits from multiple editors, and discuss your proposed changes over on the article's talk page with an explanation as to why. Remember that this is a collaborative encyclopedia that oftentimes requires discussion. Note that editors are limited to reverting edits to an article 3 times in one day (see WP:3RR), and you are far past that threshold. Repeatedly reverting edits without discussion won't get you anywhere except blocked. Also, be sure make use of the edit summary to explain your edits in the future. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 19:51, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * This appears to be a content dispute. Please discuss on the article talk page, Talk: McMinnville UFO photographs.  If that doesn't resolve the issue, go to the dispute resolution noticeboard.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:55, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I just wanted to state that the comment above from poster 202.159.165.92 is factually inaccurate. I have repeatedly given my reasons for switching the word "proved" to "asserted", as "proved" is a violation of Wiki POV and fringe sources. I have repeatedly stated this in the article edits page. It is the above poster who has changed the wording while giving no reason whatsoever on the talk page - this is in fact they first time they have posted anything other than their deletions. Additionally, the above poster failed to mention that they have also repeatedly deleted entire paragraphs of the article that are cited, which is a clear violation of Wiki rules, and also with no reason given. I realize that this should be discussed on the article talk page, but given the above poster's refusal to post their reasons there, I wanted to clarify my edits. It would indeed be helpful if the above poster would state their reasons for wholesale deletions and edits instead of simply making them with no reasons given. 2602:304:691E:5A29:D404:B012:7CFE:2074 (talk) 20:01, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

blue nation review
what is this media outlet? Conservative/liberal? online/print? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.201.195.253 (talk) 19:48, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

How to delete a reference once the copy above it has been deleted.
I updated a page, and do not know how to delete the entry in Reference section. The numbers of the entries to be deleted are:4,7, 8 and 9 on the Froma Harrop page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Debmorais (talk • contribs) 20:28, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You certainly made a mess of the first paragraph. I tried to figure out how to untangle the mess, but failed. And I saw that another of your changes was to insert a raw URL in an unsuitable place. So I have undone your most recent, extensive, edit. I wonder why you want to delete references? Wikipedia is rather keen on them.
 * I suggest that you start again, and this time take things more slowly, looking at the effects of your edits with the "Show preview" button as you work. And please don't delete any references. Maproom (talk) 21:06, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Gantt chart in a Wikipedia page (example provided)
Hey Wikipedia,

I am developing a page and am trying to include an interactive gantt chart that could navigate you between levels. A link with an example is below.

Project Managment page with gantt chart

In the link the gantt chart is on the far right.

Any idea on how to do this in wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by S.ivanchuk (talk • contribs) 21:21, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * That is not a GANTT chart, unless I am missing something obvious there, but you can probably do what you want with timelines. See Help:EasyTimeline syntax and for an example of what it can achieve Template:Vocal and instrumental pitch ranges.  There is also Template:Include timeline which is supposed to aid creating timelines but I've never used it.  Spinning  Spark  00:20, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey WIkipedia, I would like to update my question. Spinningspark, thank you for your response. I think what I'm trying to get at can be described in the following link:

tre view

Is it possible to get the HTML code inside Wikipedia to get the tree diagram active? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.15.255.227 (talk) 20:42, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The HTML is not the point: that active behaviour is programmed in Javascript. Wikipedia makes use of Javascript, but I don't know whether it works (or is even possible) to add additional Javascript to a Wikipedia page. I suggest you ask at WP:VPT. --ColinFine (talk) 20:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Colin, javascript is definitely not possible in articles, that would make it far too easy to insert malware. Javascript loaded with the page is system-wide.  Spinning  Spark  08:11, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up ColinFine. I'll make sure to ask — Preceding unsigned comment added by S.ivanchuk (talk • contribs) 13:07, 13 June 2014 (UTC)