Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 June 16

= June 16 =

User sandbox
I have an article which has been rejected. Is it possible to start again in my sandbox and write an article about something else? There are some lines saying "do not remove". Warrenkychu (talk) 06:37, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You can, theoretically, have as many sandboxes as you want. Not everyone works on just one article at a time.  Dismas |(talk) 06:43, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * There is noting in your user sandbox about lines not to be removed. Your sandbox is now nothing more than a redirect to Draft:Yau Yat Chuen Garden City Club.  You can change redirect to a link, or remove the existing text and replace it by new sandbox contents, or (as Dismas says) you can start a new sandbox, entitled User:Warrenkychu/whatever you want your new article title to be. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:39, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Want to Create a New Page " Acharya Santosh Santoshi"
Dear Sir

Greetings !!!

I 've create a page " Acharya Santosh Santoshi" three times...all times I got that this page is deleted. Kindly this is my humble request that please do'nt delete this page. kindly allow me to create this page. and be continue on this page. I did'nt copy any content on this page. there is not any fake information on this page. this is not of any duplicate/fake page of any duplicate/fake person. Kindly revert me back..

I am waiting for your valued response — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.254.110.210 (talk) 10:17, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You do not state the reason for its deletion, which would have been explained at the time. Maybe the reason was that it included no evidence that its subject was notable, in the sense used on Wikipedia. If you want to recreate it, you should try to recall the reason for its deletion, and do something to address the problem. If you repeatedly create the same unacceptable article, it will be repeatedly deleted. Maproom (talk) 11:55, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Maproom, you get information on why a page was deleted and other actions from Special:Logs and entering the page name in the title box. Alternatively, you can search for the title, then click on the redlink and you will be given the latest log entries above the edit window.  Spinning  Spark  12:17, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The user cannot recreate it because the page has now been salted. The deletion was nothing to do with copying as the OP seems to think.  The deletion log shows that it has been repeatedly deleted under speeedy deletion criterion A7, "article about a real person, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject".  Also the article is completely unsourced, please see WP:42 and think how you could comply with that before asking for the article to be undeleted again.  Spinning  Spark  12:17, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If the original poster wants to write an expanded article that provides information about notability, then the original poster will have to ask an uninvolved administrator to "desalt" the article title. The salting was the result of continuing to add the article after it was speedy-deleted.  Robert McClenon (talk) 15:53, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Two URLs, same WP article ?
Hi. Hope this is the right place for this. (That might be my first question.)


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_Jones_and_Company
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_Jones_%26_Company

I'm looking at an article that mentions "Dow Jones and Company", and I decide to put in a link to the WP article, having checked that there isn't one earlier and that an article on DJ and Co exists, (of course).

So I open the edit page, and paste in the copied url: Dow_Jones_%26_Company only to get an error message. What? I'll spare you all the to-and-fro I went through, but it seems there are two urls. The other is Dow_Jones_and_Company. Both results are identical, and share the same talk and history pages, though the talk and history pages from both 'parent' urls are in the _%26_ (ampersand) format. Now, the _and_ result says that it is a redirect from "Dow Jones & Company", but if I do a search for Dow Jones & Company it takes me to the result with the _%26_ url with no redirect. And shouldn't the Talk and History pages use the same _and_ url as the parent?

So ... is there two pages for Dow Jones and Co? If I edit one will the other mirror it? (I guess the history and Talk pages will). Given that only one of them works as an internal link, I used the "_and_" url, so it's not a problem for that edit anymore, but I'm left scratching my head about a possible duplicate/clone pages. Not just about this one of course, but I guess there might be others. In fact I have to wonder if WP's servers are carrying possibly thousands of these duplicates, but that's way above my pay-grade. (waaiit a minute ... I don't have a pay grade!)

Any clarification appreciated.

Wayne 12:31, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * when you go to Dow_Jones_and_Company you are WP:REDIRECTed to the page titled with the ampersand. You can tell you were redirected by by the little blue note at the top left of the page. In most cases, when linking from other pages, you should link to the version of the page where the content is based and not the redirect.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:36, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * In addition, if you are linking to the article within another article, please make sure to wikilink rather than use the url. That is, use Dow Jones & Company with square brackets Dow Jones & Company which will render as Dow Jones & Company-- S Philbrick (Talk)  12:44, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, you need to look at WP:wikilink. I see that you recently included a link which you wrote as Dow Jones and Company .  There is no need to pipe the link in that way.  Dow Jones and Company would have had the same effect, but (as stated above) the correct link is Dow Jones & Company . --David Biddulph (talk) 12:51, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

out of date information on my page - can someone please update it?
Hi,

This is me:

Helen Czerski

I know that I'm not supposed to edit it myself, but there are some inaccuracies. I left the ISVR and I've been working at UCL in London since December 2013 - here's my page there:

http://iris.ucl.ac.uk/iris/browse/profile?upi=HCZER87

I'm a research fellow in the department of Mechanical Engineering.

As it states on my home page, I also worked at the Graduate School of Oceanography in Rhode Island (GSO), from 2008- 2010.

http://www.helenczerski.net/ http://www.uri.edu/news/releases/?id=5181

I also write, particular a monthly science column for Focus magazine:

http://sciencefocus.com/news/focus-magazine-columnist-shortlisted-top-award — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.82.180.1 (talk) 13:10, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Is it possible for those to be corrected?

Thanks,

Helen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.82.180.1 (talk) 13:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Have updated UCL bit with third party source, I'm digging around for the others. - X201 (talk) 14:00, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Have added the research fellow stuff with a third party source. (Is it showing that BLPs aren't my strong point :) ) - X201 (talk) 14:49, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Any additional requests for edits to the page can be posted to the talk page, Talk: Helen Czerski. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:07, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, please do that, but note that your request will likely be refused if it does not include a published source for the information.  Spinning Spark  17:12, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Rendering Middle Persian script
Today Yazdegerd III is included in the "On this date..." section of the Main Page, so I visited the article. The lead contains Middle Persian script, which Firefox renders as Unicode boxes, and Google Chrome as empty boxes. I've visited Help:Special characters, but nothing there worked. I'm able to render Ancient scripts like Ugaritic and Akkadian as found on articles like Astarte, but I cannot find anything on how to render the Middle Persian found in the Yazdegerd III article. I've downloaded the scripts listed on the Help:Special characters page, done Google searches, etc., and I still cannot render the script.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 15:34, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The Middle Persian script was added in this edit. I would guess that the editor who added it would know the answer to this question so I suggest you contact them directly.  If you find the answer, please post it back here so that it gets in the help desk archives for future reference.  I would have thought that the Pahlavi script font found here for instance would work, but it doesn't.  Spinning  Spark  17:51, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

BLP inaccuracies
How do i remove a page ripe with inaccuracies? The page is "about me" Nichole Galicia, but the list of errors are too long to list from, my birthdate, to my name(s), to projects I have been involved in that belong to another actress, who thinks I'm trying to steal her credits. I have asked several times in the past that this page be deleted to no avail. Help please. Nichole1010 (talk) 15:42, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The article's talk page is really the place to describe such inaccuracies and ask for them to be corrected. Please provide references to independent sources to support the changes.--ukexpat (talk) 15:50, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Have you seen the process at WP:BIOSELF? That explains your way forward if you get no joy here. In the meantime, listing the things that are wrong on the article talk page will help speed up the correction process. Otherwise we have to go through the entire article line by line. - X201 (talk) 15:55, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * In this case, it may be beneficial for the editor to go through the OTRS process (see: Contact us) and verify her identity. We've had a series of edits from different places over the years that haven't been consistent with one another, or with the published sources.  I explained my concerns about this in January 2013, see Talk:Nichole Galicia.  In a nutshell: if Nichole Robinson and Nichole Galicia aren't the same person, then all of the reliable sources that establish the subject's notability (including not just La Voz de Galicia newspaper but also Ebony and Uptown magazines) are wrong, the verifiability of the article fails, and the article should be deleted. Meanwhile, I note that the questioned birthdate has already been deleted, properly, since it was unsourced.--Arxiloxos (talk) 16:11, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The Ebony and Uptown sources refer to her as Nichole Galicia, so that the matter of names doesn't invalidate those sources. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:48, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I deleted the unsourced birth date as per the biographies of living persons policy. I then deleted the unsourced "also known as" names.  However, as Arxiloxos says, if the two actresses are not the same person, then all of the reliable sources are invalid.  Can the article be nominated for deletion?  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:19, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I've removed the unsourced material from the infobox also. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:41, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * To be clear, the "also known as" names (Nichole Robinson and Nichole Mercedes Robinson) are not unsourced: they are given in the cited La Voz de Galicia article (which is by far the most substantive source here), which expressly says she began her career calling herself Nichole Robinson and changed her name around 2009. (And, as noted, there is no "Nichole Galicia" in the credits of any of the projects before 2009, so deleting the alternative names isn't a solution.) --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:35, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * And supported by the bio section of an archive of NicoleRobinson.com - X201 (talk) 16:12, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and started Articles for deletion/Nichole Galicia. --Arxiloxos (talk) 20:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Gideon Hollister Pond
I believe a new/completely revised, edition of the posting for Gideon Hollister Pond has been submitted for posting on Wikipedia. What is the process involving the actual posting of this revision of that posting and when might that process be completed? Thank you very much in advance. Robert C Brown — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brow1050 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * One confused edit was reverted, and the editor was notified at User talk:Skstmartin. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:57, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
How is it in Engwiki? Is it allowed to remove a speedy deletion template by an user? See here. Btw: does Engwiki need this kind of nationalism? It is a crusade by User:Jeromjerom, see also the Interwikis. --Jack User (talk) 16:31, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No, you should not remove speedy deletion templates. Dustin  ( talk ) 16:38, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not correct. Any user, except the article's creator can remove a speedy. They're expected to give a reason though. Valenciano (talk) 16:41, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't refer to me as though I am certainly incorrect. I realize I should have been more specific when I said that, though; that user was the creator of the article, and so should not have removed it. Dustin  ( talk ) 16:45, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The remover is the same as the creator. --Jack User (talk) 16:47, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Jack User had referred in to dewiki, where he said that only admins can remove speedy deletion templates;  that is not the case here in enwiki. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:09, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The person who placed the speedy tag can remove it, revoking the request. Otherwise an admin will rule on the speedy and either delete the article or remove the tag.  This is different from a prod tag where anyone can remove the prod. RJFJR (talk) 17:28, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The wording of a typical speedy tag includes the following words: "If this article does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, or you intend to fix it, please remove this notice, but do not remove this notice from pages that you have created yourself." This does not limit the removal to the person who placed the tag or to an administrator. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:38, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I have declined the speedy deletion request. Further discussion of the merits of the article belong at its talk page or at AFD, if it is nominated for deletion. BencherliteTalk 17:36, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * There was as speedy deletion request for a page that was created by a Wiki Creator and it shouldn't have been deleted or marked "speedy Deletion" Can you please assist here? I sent a message to the admin that deleted it and marked it speedy deletion but haven't heard back & says he's busy in real life. See notes here: Hello - I have never uploaded to Wiki and had a content creator create a Wiki Page for my good friend. She sent me the code and told me to upload it - so I did but about 10 minutes later it was removed by you. As I'd like to have this done (and not deleted) can you please help me 1) get her off of the speedy deletion 2) let me know what needs to be changed so I can change it? I was in the middle of changing it already but it was deleted prior to me updating it where I had noticed a couple issues where the person just copy and pasted her biography someone wrote on her website.

A page with this title has previously been deleted.

If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the deleting administrator using the information provided below.

08:08, 19 June 2014 Bbb23 (talk | contribs) deleted page Erika Harvey (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

A tag has been placed on Erika Harvey requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FranchescaB (talk • contribs) 08:54, 19 June 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by FranchescaB (talk • contribs)

My boss ask me to remove some sentences
My boss ask me to remove some sentences on his page. I followed the instructions on how to edit pages, I saved my work and it works! But when I tried to open a new window and check again my boss' page, the sentences I deleted are still there. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.49.92.13 (talk) 17:52, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You didn't say what page you were editing so we cannot check, but you were probably reverted by another editor. As an editor with conflict of interest you should not edit the article directly but should instead restrict yourself to making suggestions on the article talk page.  Spinning  Spark  17:59, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The only edit from this IP address was the original post here to the Help Desk. The unregistered editor apparently has a dynamic IP address, so, as SpinningSpark says, we cannot tell what page it was, but, if the original poster was editing his or her boss's article, that was a conflict of interest, and the edit may have been reverted.  A better approach would be to post the requested correction on the talk page, with a reliable source, or to request that unsourced information be removed under the biographies of living persons policy.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:18, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You can see the edits from the whole IP range with this tool. I had already checked it and there is nothing obvious, at least recently.  By the way, it is pointless to give welcome messages to dynamic IPs, they will never see it.  Spinning  Spark  18:37, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I had already welcomed the IP before determining that it was a dynamic IP. There are actually at least three species of IP addresses.  There are true static IP addresses.  They include some corporate workstations, and, in the United States, most cable modem subscribers.  There are long-term dynamic IP addresses.  They include, in the United States at least, DSL subscribers, some other corporate workstations, and some wi-fi.  A DSL user is assigned a "lease" on an IP address from a pool, and will keep the IP address for a period of time, such as a week, or until they reboot.  They will see the welcome message.  This was apparently a short-term dynamic IP address, which may be a school block, or some other corporate workstations.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

BIRTH RECORD
NEED TO GET COPY OF A FRIEND BIRTH RECORD, NAME IS IN SOVIET STATE OF GEORGIA  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.223.42.33 (talk) 19:51, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * First Wikipedia is not able to help you with this. Second there is no need to shout. Third this may be rev/del situation though others will decide that. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:03, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I have removed the name and date of birth to protect your friend's privacy. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:14, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * An embassy of Georgia might be able to help you, but your friend will probably have to make the request in person. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:38, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Editwarrior
What's to do, when i think an edit is an offense? Look here --Jack User (talk) 21:39, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Read the boomerang essay. You are already at 4 reverts.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:47, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Seeking instruction on editing page that doesn't constitute a COI
Hi. I'm writing from the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics. We'd like to learn the appropriate way to make/suggest edits to the article about us Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics We understand that making edits ourselves would likely constitute a conflict of interest, but would be happy to assist in making the article more accurate. Can you please advise on next steps? Thanks very much.

TomHRyan (talk) 21:43, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for not editing the article due to conflict of interest. If you have suggested improvements, post your comments to the talk page, Talk: Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:50, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * If you include the template in your proposal, it will appear on the Category:Requested edits list, and will stand a better chance of being noticed, especially as the information on that page shows there are less than 30 people watching the page, and it has only been edited once in the last 30 days. - Arjayay (talk) 10:04, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

New Article Reviews
Hello!

I posted my first new article for review about 6+ weeks ago and it hasn't been reviewed and isn't showing yet. I have scoured Wiki trying to understand this part of the process. Am I missing a step? How does an article for creation get to the next step of appearing on Wiki? I have lots of other articles I want to write once I know the process.

Thanks! Myke Wolf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mykewolf9 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Your article was never submitted in the first place. I've just helped you submit it, but unfortunately I doubt it will be accepted as it reads more like an essay that an encyclopediac article. Darylgolden ( talk ) 23:47, 16 June 2014 (UTC)