Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 June 2

= June 2 =

Referencing errors on Ree Morton
Reference help requested.

Hi - I was working on this page as one of the Art + Feminism Edit-a-thon pages that needed work at the Wikipedia Conference in NYC. As a new editor, I am not sure what I did wrong, but will correct it as instructed. Thank you.

Thanks, 208.120.90.72 (talk) 01:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi,, thank you for your contributions! When I looked at the article on Ree Morton, I noticed one reference error. "The named reference ARTFORUM was invoked but never defined." That's an easy fix.  In the lead section someone used the reference shortcut   , but didn't name the long reference.  The long reference was in the Notable Exhibits section. It looked like this:
 * I changed that simple   tag to   , and that solved the problem. I then renamed the references to    for aesthetics and to conform to proper tagging conventions.  Hope that helps!  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:54, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I changed that simple   tag to   , and that solved the problem. I then renamed the references to    for aesthetics and to conform to proper tagging conventions.  Hope that helps!  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:54, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Returning to a Hyperlink
After clicking on a hyperlink and reading that page, how do I return to the page containing the hyperlink? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.51.138.136 (talk) 01:36, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Press your browser's BACK button. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:55, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Gideon Hollister Pond
I frequently used Wikipedia as a valuable resource. I am the Great Grandson of Gideon Hollister Pond and have seen an entry in Wikipedia on him that I feel needs to be replaced or significantly edited. Another of Gideon's descendants has created an excellent biographical sketch of Gideon which could be substituted for the existing posting. Since this is my first effort (at 78 years of age) at attempting to post or edit information on Wikipedia, I would very much appreciate your guidance in this process by pointing me in the right direction. The options seem to be to edit the exciting posting or possibly substituting the new creation. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Chester Brown (talk • contribs) 02:16, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Unless the sketch you reference was published by a reliable source of neutral information, it is unlikely to be useable here as a reference; and of course we could not simply copy it, as that would be a copyright violation. Where was the sketch you describe published, and by whom? -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  02:38, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If there are errors in the article, you can discuss them on the article talk page, Talk:Gideon Hollister Pond Robert McClenon (talk) 19:08, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Album cover in a draft?
Hi, I started a draft for a Charles Lloyd album (Draft:Geeta (album)) and I was wondering if it would be against the free use rationale to use a copyrighted image (in this case the album cover) in the draft namespace. The cover's not uploaded yet, I can do that as soon as I find out if I can. Thank you! Eman 235 / talk 07:40, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Fair use images are only allowed in articles, not in drafts, so you should delay the upload until the draft has been moved to the main article space. This is point 9 at WP:NFCCP. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:45, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I didn't think so, just wondering. Thanks! Eman 235 / talk  22:37, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Need Help
Hello,

I represent Fiorano Software Inc (www.fiorano.com). We had created a page about Fiorano Software earlier but unfortunately it was deleted because it violated some terms. We have now realized and understood the terms and conditions required to create/edit a page.

I tried searching for the deleted page from the "Deletion log", i was unable to find it. We would like to edit that page or create a new page, this time making sure that we fully comply with all terms.

Can you please help me find the deleted page. This page was deleted atleast 3 years back? Since i am not able find the deleted page, Can i create a new page with title "Fiorano Software"?

I would really appreciate your kind help.

Best regards, Abhishek Merve Fioranoinc (talk) 09:01, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * "We have now realized and understood the terms and conditions required to create/edit a page." Did you read WP:COI? - X201 (talk) 10:02, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The extensive deletion history is at Fiorano Software. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:07, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You should also be aware of the Wikipedia username policy. You current username is in violation and may soon be blocked.  Rojomoke (talk) 12:10, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Title change
How to change the title of an article I created?

Aura twarowska

Instead of "Aura twarowska", the title should be Aura Twarowska.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amartolomeu (talk • contribs) 10:08, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * An editor has moved Aura twarowska to Aura Twarowska. When you posted you were unable to move pages but you have since become autoconfirmed. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:07, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Why can't I change a band's main picture?
For the Family Force 5 page, the main band picture has not been updated since 2008 I believe. This band also got a new lead singer and drummer in September. It's been 9 months now and no one has uploaded a new picture with the new members. I do not see any way for me to change the picture. Is this because it's protected? Does that mean the old picture will stay on their page until the person who has it protected changes it? Also, is the person who actually submitted the page for the band the only person allowed to change the main band/profile picture? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hannahro95 (talk • contribs) 10:35, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Family Force 5 has never been protected and can be edited by anyone. Click the "Edit" tab to edit the whole article including the lead and infobox. A new image would have to be uploaded first with an allowed license. Do you know a free photo or own one you are willing to release with a free license? Most photos on the Internet are copyrighted and cannot be used in the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:13, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I do not know if this photograph is copyrighted. It's a photo they released to promote their new album I think. If I don't see a copyright right sign on the photo or underneath then it is free to use correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hannahro95 (talk • contribs) 03:57, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually incorrect. In the past, American copyright law used to require copyright to be stated on the work in a visible way.  However, this changed some decades ago, and currently Wikipedia (and largely American copyright law) operates under the presumption that a work is copyright from the moment it is published in a tangible form, and to be considered free to use requires an explicit statement from the copyright holder that it can be used in a way that is compatible with Wikipedia's reuse licenses.  The easiest way to do that is to get the copyright holder to license the image under GFDL and CC-BY-SA 3.0, Wikipedia's own reuse licenses.  If the copyright holder refuses to do so, or if they cannot be reached or are unknown, then I'm afraid Wikipedia cannot use that image.  You always have the option of taking a picture with your own camera (say, the next time you are at a live performance of the band, or at a publicity event, or something like that) and then uploading it and agreeing to license it correctly for use at Wikipedia.  -- Jayron  32  04:13, 5 June 2014 (UTC)


 * No. Almost all images are copyright - see WP:COPYOTHERS. You need to find one that has been explicitly released under a license permitting us to use it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:11, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

UKPBA
Hi

I volunteer at the UKPBA (THE United Kingdom's not-for-profit paintball governing body) and our page has been deleted from Wikipedia, could someone tell me why or point me in the right direction of how to have it reinstated?

Many Thanks Steph UKPBA (talk) 11:38, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Apparently it was deleted as an A7 Speedy Deletion, in a nutshell this means that there was "No indication of the importance of the organization" in the article. - X201 (talk) 14:19, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * To have an article on Wikipedia you must establish notabiity. Please read that link for more information or WP:42 for a simpler summary.  None of the sources in the deleted article help with notability. Source #1 has only a link to your site and nothing else.  It certainly does not verify the claim that UKPBA is the governing body.  Sources #2 and #3 are clones of Wikipedia's own article on paintball.  Wikipedia articles are not considered reliable and do not count towards notability.  In any case, the article says the claim to be governing body is disputed. Source #4 is UKPBA's own website, and since it is not independent, it does not count towards notability.
 * To have the article reinstated, we need a new version that properly establishes notability. As an editor with a conflict of interest you should not write this directly into article space yourself, see instead articles for creation.  If you think that the deletion was improper and the article did make a "credible claim of importance" then WP:DRV is the link you need.  If you would like the original article as a basis for a new draft, then ask at WP:REFUND.  Spinning  Spark  15:13, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

help with reference
There appears to be an issue with reference #2 in on the Westport Library page. The reference is a report compiled from primary sources about the history of the library. We are trying to get the disclaimer box at the top of the page deleted. Thanks for any help. Franksaid (talk) 11:58, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The article is still not fully referenced. I doubt that anyone would be willing to remove the maintenance template as it currently stands.  At the very least all numeric data (like size of donations) and facts like dates should be referenced.  Spinning  Spark  14:48, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

How do you archive old/obsolete wiki pages?
Hello! How do you archive old/obsolete wiki pages? Thanks. Cookiesncreame (talk) 15:02, 2 June 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cookiesncreame (talk • contribs) 14:10, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * It depends on the type of page. Please link to an example you would like to archive. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:36, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * We actually wanted to archive old wiki pages (these are regular wiki pages that has instructions on executing an SOP, or describing Architecture of an application etc) on our company's internal wiki. Sorry, I was not clear in my OP. If wiki pages can't be archived, is there a way of indicating that page is archived when a user lands on that page? Maybe like a banner or something. Cookiesncreame (talk) 15:11, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * What old pages do you mean? Our articles are not archived.  They are either kept or deleted.  If you mean a talk page that has become too long, see WP:ARCHIVE.  Spinning  Spark  14:40, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Please see my comments above. Thanks! Cookiesncreame (talk) 15:11, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * This is the help page for using Wikipedia, we may not be able to help you too much for other wikis. Also, you may not be using the Mediawiki software for your site.  What we would do on our site is move the page to a different namespace (ie from mainspace to the Wikipedia namespace) if we did not want to delete it altogether. We can also add a number of templates to the top of the page indicating why it has been kept, such as humor.  Hope that helps, but your site may be very different.  Spinning  Spark  15:24, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion! We are using Mediawiki. I will run this by our Technical Writer. Thanks again! Cookiesncreame (talk) 15:32, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If you're using the MediaWiki software you could create a custom namespace (like Archive or Old) and move the outdated articles to there. - X201 (talk) 15:34, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Is there an Extension for this? Or has to be done via Maintenance script or an Update query? Thanks! Cookiesncreame (talk) 16:03, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No extension is required. It is part of the standard installation.  Spinning  Spark  17:04, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * FYI, this page is generally for asking about how to edit Wikipedia specifically. There are a few people who are regulars at the Computing Reference Desk who have some MediaWiki experience.  The reference desk pages are more for general knowledge questions about various areas which don't necessarily deal with editing Wikipedia.  Dismas |(talk) 19:24, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

How to request article (re)assessment?
From time to time, I come across substantial articles which have not been assessed for quality level, such as Gas lighting. How does one request that somebody do an evaluation? In this example, it would seem that the Energy and maybe Urban Planning or Architecture projects might be relevant. Also, I come across articles that clearly have progressed beyond Stub-class to at least Start-class. What should one do about this latter group of articles? Reify-tech (talk) 18:18, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The relevant wikiproject is usually the best place to request a reassessment. Usually, the relevant project will have put a template on the article talk page.  Many wikiprojects have a page, or a space, for requesting assessments.  If not ask on the project talk page.  It is also perfectly ok for you to reassess the article yourself, especially if it has clearly moved on, even if you are not a member of the project.  The exception to this is a few project (eg the military history project) have a well-established review procedure for A class articles.  If you are not sure, check the wikiproject page to see if they have a review procedure before doing the review.  Spinning  Spark  19:21, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The article Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment says only "[...] you may request an independent assessment", but is silent about how to make such a request. It wasn't clear whether all quality grading had to be assigned through a Wikipedia Project, or only the highest levels. It also isn't clear whom to ask, in the absence of any Project templates on a given Talk page. Thank you, Spinningspark, for confirming what I had guessed about this somewhat unclear situation. I will follow the quality assessment guidelines listed in the article. Reify-tech (talk) 18:11, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

How to access talk page archive
Regarding Talk:NGO Monitor, there is no archive box listing the talk page archives. I had a look at the coding but could not work out how to add the required archive box so that the archives are accessible. I also noticed that someone raised the issue 6 months ago (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:NGO_Monitor#Archive_box) aking if it could be resolved. Help from anyone who knows how to add the required code would be appreciated. Dlv999 (talk) 18:30, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * There appear to be only two archive pages, Talk:NGO Monitor/Archive 12 and Talk:NGO Monitor/Archive 13. I tried to add the standard code from archives but I can't get it to display properly. Will keep working on it.--ukexpat (talk) 18:50, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * OK I kludged it by listing the archive pages manually in the archives template.--ukexpat (talk) 18:55, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Appreciated. Dlv999 (talk) 08:18, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

ANI non-admin closure
Hi-I just closed some ANI threads that were acted upon by admins and appeared finished. Was that wrong? Origamite\(·_·\)(/·_·)/ 19:15, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The admins will soon tell you if it was.  Spinning Spark  19:24, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorting in Category Lists
I have created an article, Clothru. This legendary Irish princess is known for her incest. However, in the category lists to which the article belongs, it is appearing under L rather than under C. What can be done? Robert McClenon (talk) 19:15, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * For whatever reason, at the bottom of the article you had which was sorting it under L for Lugaid.  It's been there since you started the article.  So maybe you copied something from that article for the Clothru article and didn't notice?  Dismas |(talk) 19:21, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. You are correct.  I didn't notice that I had copied that when I copied information from the article about her son (the son of her brothers, and later her own lover).  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:24, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the gnome edits. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:43, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Follow-Up Question
More generally, how is the DefaultSort used? In the case of Lugaid, I see that it causes him to appear under L rather than under n. Since modern European-style names should be sorted by last name first, should they be Lastname, Firstname ? Since corporate or group names are sorted by first word, should they be Firstword Secondword Thirdword ? Can someone point me to the instructions on DefaultSort? (In the original case, I assume that DefaultSort was not necessary since her name is a mononym. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:51, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Robert, in the absence of a DEFAULTSORT, the default is to sort per the page title. So for single word titles, DEFAULTSORT shouldn't be required. For category sorting generally, see WP:Sorting.--ukexpat (talk) 20:01, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That WP help file answers my questions. Phrases do not normally need a default sort.  European-style names do need last name, first name, with some special cases mentioned.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:50, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

How to report a suspected vandal on another wiki
Hi there. I want to report suspected vandalism to this article. I'd use the German admin notice board, but I don't speak the language. When I try to add it to the English admin notice board, the IP address of the vandal doesn't show any contributions. Do you have a solution? Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 20:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It should be reported at the German Wikipedia, as each language site is administered separately. My suggestion would be to report it in English, with a note pointing out that you don't speak German.  I'm sure someone there will be able to understand you.  You might also add a machine translation, from Google Translate for example.  Rojomoke (talk) 22:26, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Requesting Name Change for a Company
To whom it may concern,

I work for Vimo, a company that has legally changed its name to "GetInsured." We're not looking to use Wikipedia for advertising or marketing use (we're well aware of the guidelines and terms), but kindly requesting that our page be changed from "Vimo" to "GetInsured." I'm not seeing a way to make the change in "Edits" and I'm not seeing a way to fix this in the FAQ section either.

If someone can make this change as soon as possible, it would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SyGetInsured (talk • contribs) 20:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * There is a "Move" option, but it is kind of hidden (under the little arrow on top of the page). I have moved the page. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 21:19, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * And just an FYI for the future: please ask help questions at only one of the help venues -- you posted this question here and at the Tea House. "Cross-posting" is not encouraged and leads to parallel, and possibly conflicting (though not in this case), replies.--ukexpat (talk) 13:42, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Auto-confirmed users
How can I tell if a user is auto-confirmed? Dismas |(talk) 23:26, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * One way is to go to this tool, enter the user's name in the "User" box, and click "Submit". Under "Basic information for User:XXXX", the user's rights, including autoconfirmed if applicable, will be listed in the "Actual status" entry. Deor (talk) 23:44, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Dismas |(talk) 23:48, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Working on a draft of an existing article in one's sandbox
There is a user who I've been helping out and they've created a draft of an article on Eugene Daub in their sandbox. Since we already have an article on the sculptor, what happens when the user is satisfied with their draft and wants it to be the main article? Do the histories just get merged or what? I've heard of people doing this before but never had first hand experience with it, so I don't know what the process is here. Thanks for any info on the topic. (I've linked their username above so that we might both learn what happens in this case at the same time.) Dismas |(talk) 23:31, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The histories can only be succesfully merged if there is no overlap in editing between the two pages timewise. Normally in a sandbox draft there is only one editor so it doesn't really matter if the new draft just gets pasted in, but for two authors it can be a bit of a problem.  Sometimes we can do a partial merge without losing any attribution information and just lose some of the early history if there is just a small overlap.  Failing that, you will have to paste it in and take care of the attribution in an edit summary.  You need an administrator to do a history merge, do you want me to do it now?   Spinning  Spark  00:38, 3 June 2014 (UTC)