Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 June 25

= June 25 =

Mal Brown
Several months ago and I wrote an article for Mal Brown and asked that it be placed in Wikipedia. To date I have nothing from your organization. Am to take that the article was not work consideration or is something else needed to get the matters validated. I am at an uncomfortable situation and frustrating. I would like to get the information included but just don't know where to turn. I sure hope you can help me with my questions. Thank You, Jane Newman Brown — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.104.4.142 (talk) 05:31, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Jane - sorry to hear about your frustrations. First and foremost, Wikipedia is, for the most part, run by volunteers. That being said, could you please provide more context about what exactly you're talking about? Since you are contributing anonymously under an IP, I cannot look at your past work. At the moment, we do have an article on Mal Brown. If the page you're discussing is a draft of some sort, do you have a link to it? Note that if the draft was created through the articles for creation process, drafts that are untouched for over six months are procedurally deleted. Thanks, ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 06:24, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If the original poster is the daughter of the subject of the article (or otherwise related), she has a conflict of interest and should avoid editing the article, but may place comments or requests on the talk page, Talk:Mal Brown. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:15, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * From the geolocation data, I wonder if that's the right Mal Brown. We have a bunch of other Malcolm Brown's. There are obviously many more notable or not (e.g. ) so without knowing which Mal Brown, where this article was created or what IP or account was used, it's likely to be very difficult to work out what happened to it. (If the name Jane Newman Brown was used before, I guess whatever article was deleted. Jane Brown similarly unless there was Sarah in there somewhere.) Nil Einne (talk) 18:09, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

seed parameter
What does the "seed" parameter for Template:Random portal component mean? Please talkback me after reply. 175.156.242.240 (talk) 07:45, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * User:175.156.242.240: see Template_talk:Random_portal_component. Maproom (talk) 08:12, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Maproom: The user link function does not work for IPs. Anyway . 175.156.242.240 (talk) 15:55, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Deletion request
I wanna mark this page for deletion, but I can't do this using TW.

P.N:I'd done it before, but I couldn't this time!-- Freshman404 Talk 12:36, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I've put it up for speedy deletion using the 'CSD' option in Twinkle's menu. AlexTiefling (talk) 12:49, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw it and I did know how should I work with Twinkle, but unfortunately it doesn't work for me.(Even I wnat to thank you for your edit on that page, but I couldn't.)
 * Almost none of tools works for me today!-- Freshman404 Talk 13:00, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * you are not alone. See VPT. -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  16:31, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Mass reverting needed
I remoived Category:Hungarian monarchs and replaced it to the newly created Category:Kings of Hungary but an editor is contesting this action at User_talk:PersecutedUser. Therefore, I'd like to undo these changes for now. Can you please teach me how to do this thing faster (manually it would take quite look)? Is there any useful tool for this? PersecutedUser (talk) 13:48, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ using AWB. -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  14:41, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Deleting our old company page
Hi There, We have recently been bought by another company who under PLC rules needs to remove all references to our old name.

We have a wiki page 2ergo and now need to delete it.

Can you help please? Thanks Scott — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.115.134 (talk) 15:27, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I have renamed the article. -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  15:58, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe that Mdann52's action here is misguided, and I am inclined to reverse it.
 * There was a company called 2ergo. A Wikipedia article was written about it. A few months ago, it was taken over by a company called Eagle Eye, and renamed to Broca, becoming a division of Eagle Eye. To rename the article to "Eagle Eye" is questionable: the awards, criticisms, etc,, made to 2ergo before the takeover were not made to Eagle Eye. To expunge all mention of 2ergo from the article is wrong. Wikipedia should not be complicit in Eagle Eye's wish to falsify history. Maproom (talk) 16:40, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Whoops; I have renamed the article to Broca, and reverted my edit already dealt with. Thanks for pointing this out. -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  16:46, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, if the 2ergo company was notable enough for a Wikipedia article, this article should not be deleted or renamed. Information about its changing circumstances can be added. The notability of the other company should be judged separately, and a new article made if appropriate, with a Wikilink between the two articles.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 18:19, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

How to undo the ref tags?
I wanted to cite a book but was not rememering the name so I closed without citing for once ever since it is showing error. How to check it cite again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bariissh (talk • contribs) 16:51, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If you meant your contributions to C. K. Nayudu, I've moved the refs and fixed the text and headings. - X201 (talk) 17:16, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

i would like to be in your site when people type in my name or my organization my name is paul d. nickels and my org is HRG Homeless & low income resource guide
 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.1.80 (talk) 17:23, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi. Please read Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause. ~Amatulić (talk) 17:32, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Barbara Myerhoff
This is Mark Weiss. I edited a book of Myerhoff's, and I'm mentioned in the article. When I click on my name I'm taken to the wiki page of another Mark Weiss, a rock and roll photographer. I'm not that Mark Weiss. I don't have a wiki page, but I'm all over the web, as poet and translator. Any way to fix this?

24.215.175.70 (talk) 17:25, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You can remove the wikilink around your name, or you can replace it with something like Mark Weiss, which would appear as a redlink if the article Mark Weiss (editor) does not exist. ~Amatulić (talk) 17:32, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I have made the change for you. ~Amatulić (talk) 17:35, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

User page vs article
Heading added.--ukexpat (talk) 18:13, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

I did not noticed my name came out as "user:Manuel Tapia" How can I edit it and remove "User:" and leave just my name or

how can I delete this account and sign up again correctly. I could not find the answer anywhere on the site or online...

Thanks.

Manuel Tapia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manuel Tapia (talk • contribs) 17:56, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You have created a user page, not an article, see WP:User page. If you are intending to create an article, then I am afraid that it would be quickly deleted as it does not demonstrate the notability of the intended subject, please see WP:BIO and WP:RS.--ukexpat (talk) 18:16, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

submission not uploaded/seemingly deleted
Hello! I wrote and uploaded a few articles yesterday, and, after they said they had been submitted, I closed the tabs. I then searched them, and they were nowhere to be found. I realized later that I was not signed in as I had stopped the night before and neglected to sign back in. Is there anywhere a draft might be saved? I didn't save them to my computer (stupid, I know). Please help! Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.210.93.169 (talk) 18:18, 25 June 2014 (UTC) Stephaniejnam (talk) 18:20, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Are you referring to NXTP Labs?--ukexpat (talk) 18:23, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * There is an article created yesterday by the IP you are currently using: NXTP Labs - but note that it has been marked for speedy deletion as unsourced, and lacking credible evidence of meeting our notability criteria. As for any other articles, without knowing the IP, there is no way to trace them (or they have already been deleted). I suggest that you read the Notability giedelines, and Identifying reliable sources before proceeding any further. You should also note that Wikipedia articles are not free advertising. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:28, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Checking further, I see that your editing history includes several new articles on individuals. Given that these also fail to demonstrate notability, and given that they are all involved with NXTP Labs, these articles will probably have to be deleted too. Since you seem to be exclusively editing in relation to NXTP Labs, I should probably suggest that you read the Conflict of interest guidelines too - we strongly discourage individuals editing articles where they have a personal involvement. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:34, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest/More Sources
Can someone please edit the Charles Koppelman page? It would be very helpful. I tried to put a picture on it but because it didn't have the right copyright details, it was requested to be deleted immediately. If I find the name of the person who took the picture and properly labeled it under the pictures description, will it no longer be deleted from Wikipedia? Thanks. YogiOffice (talk) 19:09, 25 June 2014 (UTC)




 * Not necessarily. If the person who took the picture still owns the copyright to it, then they would have to release it under a free license.  Most times, this is not the case already.  We would need to get permission from them to use it or they would need to re-release the image with a suitable license.  Dismas |(talk) 19:25, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Draft article
I submitted my article for editing, and I got a line, in red, at the top of my sandbox, stating: "this article is in the draft space, please move to the Userspace," or something like that.

I am completely confused now. I thought my sandbox was part of my Userspace. Also, is my page in the queue to be reviewed, or no?

Thanks for any help!

F — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrenchyWine (talk • contribs) 19:16, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You had it the opposite way round. It was in Userspace but it's preferred to be in Draftspace as part of the Articles for Creation process.  You can view the history of the article and see that this has been done for you already.  And there is a notice at the bottom of the article that it is awaiting review.  Dismas |(talk) 19:29, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Table dividers question
Is there a way to specify that there will be vertical lines separating some columns of a table but not others? Here's a silly example that will do for illustrative purposes: +--++    | 2010 |     Chicago Blackhawks | | 2011 |     Boston Bruins     | | 2012 | Los Angeles Kings     | | 2013 |    Chicago Blackhawks | | 2014 | Los Angeles Kings     | +--++ This represents a 3-column table with the second column right-aligned and a line between columns 1 and 2 only, plus an outer border. So is there a way to get that effect in wikimarkup? --70.49.171.225 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:56, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! (It would be nice if this was actually documented in WP:Tables.) --70.49.171.225 (talk) 07:53, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It does document how to insert css code into the table. It would not be sensible for the help page to document all the many things that can be done with css.  Read a css primer for that. SpinningSpark 08:02, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think the page makes clear how general the mechanism is, but I admit to not studying it carefully, just scanning for keywords or examples relevant to my immediate goal. I don't plan to pursue the point, anyway. Thanks for responding. --70.49.171.225 (talk) 17:52, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Contest a proposed deletion
Hello wikipedians,

I wrote an article in April on a local firm, CMS Station Brokerage, and submitted it for review. Editor Zach Vega reviewed the article and had some suggestions for improvement, which I made, and then the article was approved and 'made live' on June 5. On June 19, the user duffbeerforme flagged the article as 'proposed for deletion'. I responded to his issues that same day on the article's talk page, and then today made some revisions to the article to further address the issues.

My question is: How and when will I know if the article will be retained? I noticed today in the source code that one of the Wikipedia admins added a comment: "For administrator use only: . Does that mean the article will be kept? Can I remove the 'proposed for deletion' notice?

Thanks! Coffeepants (talk) 20:12, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * No, the deletion discussion has not yet concluded: Articles for deletion/CMS Station Brokerage. --ukexpat (talk) 20:31, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. How long will a deletion discussion continue? Coffeepants (talk) 21:09, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Seven days, normally. Please note that in Wikipedia, there is a difference between proposed deletion, a seven-day process for deletion requests thought to be non-controversial, and nominated for deletion via a formal discussion.  This article was nominated for deletion via the formal AFD process.  If you want to know the fate of the article, you should watchlist it.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:12, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Reporting an article for bias
I have reservations about the phrasing in the "2010 G-20 Toronto summit protests" entry. I find this entry to be the biased part: "Protests mainly consisted of peaceful demonstrations and rallies but also took form of a riot as a group of protesters using black bloc tactics caused vandalism to several businesses in Downtown Toronto."

This passage is extraneous to the opening paragraph and the subsequent sources identified do nothing to elaborate on this subject.

What's my recourse of this? How do I report it? Now that I've gone back and looked at the opening paragraph, I'm noticing a lot of extraneous information in the opening paragraph and a bit of political bias. Should I just sign up for Wikipedia and rewrite the whole thing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.52.188.22 (talk) 20:29, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You should begin a discussion on the article's talk/discussion page.--ukexpat (talk) 20:33, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * If there is content in the opening paragraph which does not summarise content in the rest of the article, then something is wrong and should be corrected. But the section which you quote, about "black bloc tactics", summarises the Riots and vandalism section, which cites many supporting references. Maproom (talk) 21:33, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Tool to list editors who have contributed to particular pages
There are multiple tools which allow you to input names of editors to see what pages they have contributed to. There are also multiple tools that let you enter the name of an article to return a list of contributors to that article. What I'm looking for is a way to take two or more articles and generate a list of users that have contributed to all of them. This seems useful both for SPI and for finding people with similar interests to your own. Anybody know of a way to do this? --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  |  23:06, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * This is not exactly what you want but the wikistalker tool will tell you what the common articles are between a list of users and the wikichecker article tool will tell you what other articles the principle editors have been editing. SpinningSpark 23:29, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but indeed those are specifically the type I don't want :) (The "there are multiple tools that..." above). Looking for basically the reverse. --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  |  23:49, 25 June 2014 (UTC)