Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 March 14

= March 14 =

Referencing errors on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twelve Visions Party
Reference help requested.

Your message to me, Hello, I'm ReferenceBot. I have automatically detected that an edit performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. It is as follows: On the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twelve Visions Party page, your edit caused a missing references list. I don't know how I could have deleted, or caused a missing reference list.How can I retrieve it? Is it stored in a backup file? I am a published author, and retired Spec. Educ. Teacher. I have always respected Wikipedia for unbiased information storage; until that is, what I have experienced today with Mr. Doug Weller. If you want to ban me from Wiki, That's Fine. I did not make this deletion to the page and if you know how I can retrieve it provide concise instructions and not page links to oblivion.

My intention was to prevent The Twelve Visions Party page from being taken down from Wikipedia; and not to play immature games with a Overly Bias English Editor for Wikipedia. Thank You --Looking2You (talk) 01:16, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Looking2You (talk) 01:16, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It appears that your edit to the article is what broke the formatting and caused ReferenceBot to send you the message. I haven't had time to research the details, but will point out that all previous copies of an article are retained on the Wikipedia servers and are available in the article history.  Please be aware that insulting another editor is not likely to get you much support on Wikipedia or to get your article retained rather than deleted.  Writing a defensive taunt like:  "If  you want to ban me from Wiki, That's Fine" is certainly very unlikely to get you any support for your article.  At this point, you are the editor who appears to be playing immature games.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:24, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Um, I'm not English but 15th generation or more American (as though it matters). And for some reason the above editor was adding  throughout his post, I've removed those now. Dougweller (talk) 15:46, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * If you are 15 generations American, your ancestors came from England (even if they spent one generation in Holland first). Robert McClenon (talk) 01:35, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. We came from lots of places.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:39, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * That's right. Having English ancestors even less generations away wouldn't make me English. If you are born in America, you're American. Not English, German, Nigerian, Pakistani, etc. The One Drop Rule doesn't apply. Dougweller (talk) 21:41, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Change of Images
Hello,

I am the representative of Cheyenne Tozzi and i want to edit her image as it is not representative of her current work.

How do i go about this?

Thank you Sammi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Entwinedsocialmedia (talk • contribs) 02:47, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Not by adding a copyrighted photo to the article. Photos of living persons must be released under a free license. I've also placed conflict of interest info on your talk page. -- Neil N  talk to me  03:03, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Chairman/Chair
I went to edit the word "Chairman" on the political party template, and though I changed it to Chair, it still comes up Chairman on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Federation_of_Republican_Women It is clearly an error to refer to the female as Chairman Thank you for your help Madiesmith (talk) 03:00, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * That article transcludes the template from Template:Infobox American political party. That template is used on dozens of articles, so it would be best if you brought it up on the talk page of the template.  And checking there, I see there is already a discussion on the matter.  See Template talk:Infobox American political party.  Dismas |(talk) 03:28, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

adding a sub-title to a Wikipedia page concerning Frost Flowers
There are two Wikipedia pages named Frost Flower

One has the sub-title Frost Flower (sea ice) and the other is simply   Frost Flower

I think the other should be sub-titled Frost Flowers (plant stems)

I recently identified the problem of persons confusing the two entirely different types of Frost Flowers.

See: http://my.ilstu.edu/~jrcarter/ice/Frost-flowers/

Thank you, Jim Carter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrcarter36 (talk • contribs) 03:40, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * There are already Disambiguating hatnotes on both articles. The current set of titles would be correct if, as I suspect, the primary usage of "frost flowers" is for the plant related phenomenon.  If neither is properly the primary topic, renaming Frost flowers (although I'm not sure about your exact suggestion) and making a dab page would be more appropriate (see WP:2DABS).  Rwessel (talk) 04:45, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Discussed further up this page, at . --David Biddulph (talk) 02:56, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Magnolia Hotel (Seguin, Texas)
Regarding the Magnolia Hotel; the owners from 1934 until 1995 were Edgar and Inez Lannom (not Virginia) and from 1995 until 2O13 the Magnolia was owned by B.J. Chambers, Scott Chambers, and Laura Chambers Flume. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100C:B012:E035:16B:E62F:9237:BC19 (talk) 04:57, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I've added a title to this section, so that people can recognise it as separate from the one above. The list of owners on Magnolia Hotel (Seguin, Texas) is unsourced, so is liable to be removed at any time.  If you have a reliable source for your proposed change, please add it to the article yourself.  Rojomoke (talk) 05:40, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Can't play audio video
I am using safari on my Mac OS X Mavericks I can't play the embedded audio n video files in ogg format with my safari. Same works well On chrome. Pls help me How to correct this ?? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.118.67 (talk) 05:32, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * This Help Desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. You should ask at the Computing section of the Reference Desk.  Rojomoke (talk) 05:43, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Just a note that this may have to do with Wikipedia (we use ogg files here, and my browser personally will not run them--I think in my case it's the player). - Purplewowies (talk) 09:26, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Page in another language
What do you do if you find a page in another language in the English Wikipedia (which absolutely should not be there)? Is a novice editor allowed to delete it? Or do I have to report it to an administrator? Thanks in advance. --Yashowardhani (talk) 07:50, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It also seems to be a some kind of advertisement. --Yashowardhani (talk) 07:56, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, anyone is entitled to nominate a page for deletion - see the good advice and instructions here Articles_for_deletion. If the article is on English wikipedia but not in English then it's possibly eligible for WP:PROD - however if you're unsure then linking to the article here would help us recommend the best course of action to take.  CaptRik (talk) 08:58, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * This is the article: সাহিত্যিক পূর্ণ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yashowardhani (talk • contribs) 09:54, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, this article was just deleted. Thanks anyway for the information, I'll know from next time. Yashowardhani (talk) 09:56, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * , I don't think you need to apologize...Naraht (talk) 18:21, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Replacing a deadlink in reference section of an article.
Hi,

I am wondering to know a proper way of replacing a deadlink in the refernce section of an article.

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zanekor (talk • contribs) 08:40, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * technically, you dont replace it in the reference section, you replace it where it appears in the body of the article and the Wiki-display coding automagically makes it appear in the references section. Is that what you are asking about? see Help:Referencing for beginners for details about that. --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  08:48, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * if you are talking about the source itself, you can either:
 * replace the dead URL with the new live URL (if the source was in general a reliably published source); or
 * if the original page was archived by the Wayback machine, you can add the archived URL to the citation (again if the source was a reliably published source); or
 * you can replace the entire citation with a citation to a different reliably published source that also verifies the same information, or
 * if the URL was just a convenience link, and the citation has all of the appropriate information recorded about an offline paper source, you can just remove the URL. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  09:02, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with the answer above, will just add that some editors use list defined references, in which case the reference to be replaced is in the reference section.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  16:13, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

The ratio of images
What's the recommened ratio of images in a wiki article? How many images are considered an exaggerated number? 79.117.185.238 (talk) 09:49, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * that's like asking: how long is a piece of string? it depends upon the article, how long it is, how many pictures, what is the layout structure, and what the pictures are of. 1 might be "too many" if there is no appropriate image for depicting the subject of the article visually. 45 may be perfectly appropriate for a long article with many aspects. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  10:28, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Good answer above, but I'll also add: the subject matter. I expert an article about art history to have more pictures than an article about string theory.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  16:10, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Picture rotation
I want to rotate the picture at 90°, I need help in doing so. Aftab Banoori 10:15, 14 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aftabbanoori (talk • contribs)


 * I see you have asked this question at the Graphics Lab and it has been dealt with there.--Shantavira|feed me 13:08, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Changing Main Heading of the Page
Hi, For our wikipedia page Northcote Manor, we want to change the page URL and main heading from “Northcote Manor” to “Northcote”. Can you please help?

Thanks, Luke — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.188.147 (talk) 10:32, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * nope, its not going to Northcote because we have content there already: Northcote. (see WP:DAB) If you can show that either the majority of reliable sources or the official name is "Northcote", you can request that it be moved to Northcote (restaurant) following the process WP:RPM -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  10:48, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Or Northcote (hotel). PrimeHunter (talk) 13:53, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It's more notable as a restaurant - maybe Northcote (hotel and restaurant) or disambiguated by location. Several hotels are called Northcote, and there's another Northcote Manor in Devon. Peter&#160;James (talk) 14:00, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I have recommended in the Talk page deleting this article because it lacks references showing notability. Also, a business is not allowed to create its own article on Wikipedia, if that is what you did. It's called a conflict of interest. David Spector (talk) 21:09, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The article was not created by a business - it was one of several stubs created by an editor whose RFA was closed the same day with 77 supports and 2 opposes. Peter&#160;James (talk) 13:25, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

carl sagan page
good morning, I was just reading the page on Carl Sagan...under the inquest and nature paragraph, someone has added a completely inappropriate comment regarding mr. sagan and his friend mr. Tyson. It has nothing to do with the content of the article, and has included a very disturbing 4 letter word. Thank you for your attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.83.154 (talk) 12:26, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Dealt with by ClueBot, it seems. Thanks for noticing! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:05, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Quite remarkable that you spotted it, as it was removed by ClueBot in less than a minute, at 05.57 this morning - and then you report it 6½ hours later. Arjayay (talk) 14:38, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I am pretty sure that the page cache for IP users is updated less frequently than for logged in users.--ukexpat (talk) 14:51, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

how do you save a draft then come back to edit it?
I was trying to create a page, but I can't do it all in one sitting. I want to save a draft that I can come back to, but every time I push the "save page" it is not there when I get back. I pushed the "show preview" button then I saved, now I have draft that I don't know how to edit. How do you save a draft that you can continue editing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benheer2 (talk • contribs) 14:30, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I would recommend starting in your sandbox where you can save and update at your leisure, or using the WP:AFC process. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  14:34, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, you have already started editing in your sandbox: User:Benheer2/sandbox. Now, at the top of the page there will be a tab that says something like  "edit" or "edit this page" (depending upon which user interface you are using). click on that, enter your content and sources, press the "save page" frequently. repeat. and you should be ready to go. --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  14:40, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Several questions
I'm in the middle of a debate. The statements I quoted in the debate are in a foreign language and I'd like to know what I need to do in this case. Do I need to translate the quote to English and upload it? I'd also like to know if mechanical translation is allowed in that case. -- JARA7979 (talk) 12:06, 15 March 2014 (KTC)


 * I guess you are talking about Talk:Joseon. WP:Talk page guidelines says "Use English: It is preferable to use English on all talk pages so comments may be comprehensible to the community. If using another language is unavoidable, try to provide a translation of the comments. If you cannot translate the comments, third parties or Wikipedia:Embassy can help." Does that answer your question? --ColinFine (talk) 15:56, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

photo on page
The photo located at: File:Garda armored car Ypsilanti Township Michigan.JPG (for page: Garda (security company) is in violation of GardaWorld's safety protocols. Because you can see the inside of the armored vehicle in this photo, it puts our employees at risk. The inside of our vehicles are not to be photographed due to the risk of attempted robbery. Is there any way we could I have it removed? I could submit another photo of our trucks with the door closed if necessary. Please advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.250.206.50 (talk • contribs)
 * A different picture could be uploaded in its place. You would have to upload it and agree to release it under Wikipedia's copyleft license, instructions for doing so are at the picture upload page.  Of note, however, is that the photograph appears to be taken in public in the United States and has been released under the proper licenses, so under Wikipedia policy, there is nothing wrong with it.  If you care to take and upload a better picture, we could perhaps replace that one, but there's nothing from Wikipedia's end that is wrong with the picture.  -- Jayron  32  18:21, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * To be frank, I don't think that there is anything in that image that is useful for potential armed robbers, except perhaps that the guard wouldn't be too good in a chase on foot.--ukexpat (talk) 18:30, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note, this image is used in three places: Garda_(security_company), Stark security, and Armored car (valuables). Would each of those be a separate discussion, or not? (On the one hand, he mentions his own companies rules which don't apply to Wikipedia, OTOH, he did ask nicely.) ( loaded it, but he hasn't made any change to wikipedia since the end of February)Naraht (talk) 18:32, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * All it shows is that there's a barrier between the driver's compartment and the back, and that it's rather dark inside. Small wonder!  Judging by the original question, I expected an armored car version of File:1966 AMC Marlin interior of a 4-speed tan.jpg or at least File:FiatPandapic.19.jpg.  Nyttend (talk) 03:13, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

How do I talk back and thank someone that has given me information?
Recently I asked a question and someone did give me some good information. Now I would like to thank them. How do I do that? I don't want to post any personal info such as email. Polkateer (talk) 20:16, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Add an appropriate message, such as Thank you to their talk page?--ukexpat (talk) 20:32, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Polkateer. There are two main ways of saying thanks (beyond just going to the other user's talkpage and leaving a message). If you want to say thank you for a particular edit, open the page history using the "View history" tab at the top of the page, find the edit in question and click the "thank" link at the end of the line. Alternatively, if you're feeling generous, go to the other user's talkpage and click on the little heart icon next to the Search bar at the top of the screen. This will open a window where you can give the other user barnstars and other awards. Just fill in a personalised message and click OK.


 * For talkbacks, add the code to their talkpage; this will let them know that you've replied to them on your own talkpage. Yunshui  雲 &zwj; 水  20:37, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * For talk pages, you can also say thanks right after they gave you the info, by clicking Edit for that Q. Or you can say thanks to everyone at the end of the Q, perhaps singling out the most helpful. StuRat (talk) 20:47, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Logging in from an ipad
I've recently acquired an iPad mini but have totally failed to login to  wp. Normally I do it from Firefox but have checked that I used the right password. The only doubt is whether my login name (chris55) is capitalised or not, but neither appears to work. Is it a Safari problem or what? Is there some prohibition in the small print from logging in on 2 platforms? 46.208.144.109 (talk) 22:26, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm using my iPad to answer this question right now. I'm signed on at least four different systems currently. And capitalization doesn't matter since I always just type 'dismas' when logging in. Are you sure you have cookies enabled on the iPad?  Dismas |(talk) 04:03, 15 March 2014 (UTC)


 * good try, it was set to block advertisers and 3rd parties; but I've now set it (temporarily) to 'never' and it's no better. 46.208.144.109 (talk) 11:26, 15 March 2014 (UTC)