Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 March 20

= March 20 =

History merge or content merge?
Dear editors: I found this draft: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Monica De Coninck, but there is a little stub, Monica De Coninck. The histories don't overlap, but the content is mostly different. I'd like to (1) request that the draft be history merged into the stub, (2) copy the useful content into the stub, (3) add some references to the new material (I have found some). Is this appropriate in a situation that it isn't clear that the newer article is derived from the older one? Or should I do a somewhat messier content merge and redirect instead? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 00:41, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Can't hurt to perform a histmerge. They're very unhelpful when useful revisions overlap, so I'll leave out the revision in which you postponed G13, by not undeleting it.  Otherwise, we'd end up with a "diff" showing you replacing the article with the AFC.  Nyttend (talk) 17:24, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Nyttend; I have moved some content, added some references, and notified Wikiproject Belgium for a checkup. Leaving out my edit is fine; having edits deleted is a regular event for Afc reviewers. (I've lost over 10,000 so far, what's one more?)  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 19:07, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Adding photo to Wikipedia Article
Hello I am trying to add a photo to a Wikipedia article about John Kearney Bishop of Ossory. I made an account but it requires you to have 10 edits in order to upload photos, since this was the only thing I wanted to edit was this page by adding a photo I was wondering if there was another way to have one photo uploaded. I looked into some instructions about submitting a request and it went into licensing information that I didn't understand. On the wikipedia page there is a link that leads you to the website where there is a picture of the oil canvas that I wanted to add to the article and I was hoping I could get some information or help about uploading this photo, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.53.31.136 (talk) 02:44, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I assume that the article you want to add an image to is John Kearney (bishop). Where, at present, is the image you want to add? Maproom (talk) 07:44, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

On his wikipedia page the first external link leads you to the Trinity College Dublin website and there on his page is the image I'd like to add. The painting is by William Cuming.I'd like to add that image to where according to wikipedia an info box would go or something along those lines (In the top left-hand corner) or the first image you would see if you went to his page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevenmeyer2013 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * That shouldn't have been listed as an external link as it is already a ref, but it's still there as ref 2. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:26, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * So it's the image at this link. The painting itself is out of copyright, but I have no reason to believe that the photograph of it is not protected by copyright. My understanding of copyright law is not good, but I suspect that the image is not acceptable for use in Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 17:34, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay so that specific picutre is not allowed to be put on wikipedia? I found another photo at this link http://www.turtlebunbury.com/published/published_features/pub_feats_obama.html if you scroll down the article a little bit you'll see it on the left, would that photo be okay? There's some slight differences from the other one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevenmeyer2013 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * At the foot of the page to which you directed it says "© Turtle Bunbury 2005-2014. All rights reserved". --David Biddulph (talk) 18:24, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

So back to the first article, I didn't see an all rights reserved at the bottom of the Trinity College's website page on John Kearney so would the photo that I originally mentioned be alright to use? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevenmeyer2013 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * just because a painting looks old, does not mean that it is old. so unless you know the provenance of that picture, do not assume that it is out of copyright. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  19:41, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

The author of the painting William Cuming died in 1852 and John Kearney died in 1813 so I think the painting is indeed old. If you look on other articles of Bishops of Ossory say for example Hugh Hamilton's you'll see that his portrait is shown and under it it says who its by which is Gilbert Stuart.. Wouldn't I be able to do the same thing with John Kearney's painting by William Cuming as long as it is shown that William Cuming painted it so he gets credit for it in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.53.31.136 (talk) 04:13, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP 71. The concern is not about the copyright of the painting, but of the photo of the painting.  Your best bet is to ask again at WP:MCQ, which is a noticeboard dedicated to answering this kind of copyright and licensing question.  The volunteers there should be able to guide you. - Ka renjc (talk) 07:25, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it is perfectly OK to upload this image to Wikipedia or Commons for the reasons given at commons:Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag. It doesn't make any difference if someone is claiming copyright on the photo. However, by all means ask at WP:MCQ. Thincat (talk) 23:01, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Reporting a Fake (History) Article
I have come across an article that was filled with historical inaccuracies and that was made primarily by a community/caste to help uplift their social status by the looks of it. The references provided on the article do not come from valid sources, how do I report such articles that are very closely monitored by the community? Ajan — Preceding undated comment added 03:52, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The talk page of the article in question is the correct place to start a discussion on the content of the article. There are other venues as well if the discussion there is non-productive because of editors acting contrary to Wikipedia guidelines (see, for example, Dispute resolution).  But if you mentioned something like that here, you should at least mention which article you have concerns about, so that we could go take a look.  Rwessel (talk) 05:31, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * if it is about the castes of India, Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics is a good place to start to bring attention to your concerns to a wider audience of people who are familiar with such issues and how to address them according to Wikipedia's policies. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:08, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Video games! Boy I worked in the Video Game Business for 25 years. You are missing quite a few games 1990 and down.
I started working for Nintendo NES we were merchandisers hired by Worlds of Wonder makers of Teddy Ruxpin, Laser Tag (Batteries not included) in the commercial. I was responsible For Santa Barbara South to San Diego, had a few people reporting to me and one day we got a NES and 1 of each nintendo game shipped to each of us at the release of the machine with their then library of games. We called on National Chains and Toys R Us and we merchandised the Accounts, cleaning inventory, changing broken boxes and fixing the Teddy Players that were on ENDCAPS in every Toys R Us, Broke frequently. We would change fuses and get them up and running again. Reviewed new releases with store staff or manager. From there I went to Softkat then a division of WR Grace where we sold into schools originally and when I started in Key National accounts we were the leader in home, education and entertainment software. I remember when Ad lib Sound Cards which was the first sound card leader before Creative Labs. I remember the day Creative came in and they were playing piano on a keyboard! in with a piano playing card with software which I said for $500 no way could I sell that. The sound card at the time was selling for $99 they left pretty mad and competed and Killed poor AdLib. We launched Knowledge Adventure and its first Encarta type product the day before COMDEX where we had a booth representing paying publishers and all the computer games that shipped on console were also being shipped on PC as it was quicker and cheaper w/o middlemen console manufacturers You are missing QUITE a FEW GAMES! Wow! I can help the only thing I am not 100 0/0 sure on is release dates. I guess I can google each game. I use to handwrite my orders weekly to Compusa ( Soft Wearhouse) it was first called with 2 stores Dallas and Atlanta. I grew that account so I know exactly what they sold in the game category. They pretty much killed Egghead Software. There was Electronic Boutique and Babbage's, Walden Books and Software Etc. We also had the Govt. contract to sell to AFFES ( Air Force) stores on bases throughout the world. When I left in early 90's CompUSA was tied with AFFES in sales. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.87.137 (talk) 05:10, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * As a work in progress, Wikipedia is missing a lot of things! You can help by providing reliably published sources that verify the products you have listed. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:04, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, there is a Video Games "Wikiproject", check out WikiProject Video games .Naraht (talk) 15:43, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Table sorting
How can you sort the first column of List of recluses by last name? Clarityfiend (talk) 05:31, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * See: Help:Sorting (I haven't tried this, so you're on your own)  ~:71.20.250.51 (talk) 06:29, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I tried that already, but it didn't work, probably because of some other stuff in the table structure. However, I realized that it doesn't make any sense to have the table be sortable, so thanks anyway. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:38, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

ronnie montrose
Hi my name is Lynette Lewis and I was married to ronnie montrose. He had 5 wifes 1. Jill 2. Becky 3  Michele  and 4 was me  Lynette  Lewis   The 5th  wife and   last he was not married for long (Leizha)  Lynette Lewis-Montrose  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.136.160.161 (talk) 06:23, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * to include information we must have a reliably published source that verifies the content. If you have such a source such as a report in a book or newspaper, you can provide it on the articles talk page. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:01, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * So sorry, Lynette. A complicated soul. I remember having dinner with you and Ronnie at your mom and Duane's place with Kandi - may they all RIP. 2600:1700:C871:2170:3974:8D0D:AB85:AF3 (talk) 17:09, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Charlie Watts - IMDb reference
I have amended the "External Links" section of the Wiki article on Charlie Watts (Rolling Stones) to include an IMDb reference. I notice he is the only member of the band not to have an IMDb reference in their biography. I hope its omission here was an oversight and not CW's express wish. --P123cat1 (talk) 11:16, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia rather discourages references to IMDb, as it regards it as not altogether a reliable source. I am sure the omission was not at CW's wish, as it is Wikipedia's policy to disregard the wishes of subjects of articles. Maproom (talk) 11:54, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * There is confusion about terminology here. You added the IMDb link in the external links section and that is allowed. We only call something a reference if it is used as source of information for content in the article. You didn't do that so the edit is OK. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:39, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. You learn something new every day in Wiki editing. --P123cat1 (talk) 12:51, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The explanation here WP:EL is for each external link to ask: Does this external link provide valuable information about the subject of this article that cannot be included in the article? (not: Does everybody else have this external link?) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  17:43, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks, TRPoD. --P123cat1 (talk) 22:12, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

How to include a signature in a template
I am trying to create a WikiProject invitation template but I'm struggling to get it to include a signature. Take a look at my attempt Draft:WP Disability Invite and see where I'm going wrong. Obviously I don't want the ~ code to actually execute in the template page itself, it should only create the signature when someone posts the template to a User Talk page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:05, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * If the template is only for subst'ing then you can use ~ ~ . PrimeHunter (talk) 12:48, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, could you explain that more fully, or just go ahead and edit the page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:33, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * if you want a signature in your template, the template will have to be SUBSTituted wherever it is used. What I personally use to add signatures to templates is which functionally does the exact same thing as 's example above except that it uses a few less bits in the template's code itself and when transcluded it shows all four tildes. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 13:43, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! The template has been created. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Minor quibble: can look like an error or unneeded markup to some editors so there is a risk somebody will remove from it. I think includeonly constructions like ~ ~ are more used. It makes it more clear that the purpose is to only produce a signature when the template is transcluded. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:06, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles
Is the above wikiproject still active or not. It has WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Canadian politicians as it's monthly focus since past 4 months. Moreover the no. of missing Canadian politicians has been 49 since past 4 months. Is there any other active member associated with this project.--Skr15081997 (talk) 12:36, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Sandbox page history
Hello all, Today I decided to create a new article, Massif des Brasses. I had been working on it in my sandbox and so decided to simply move my sandbox page to the new title. However, all the revisions I had done as tests before I started writing the article are still there. What is the correct course of action here- oversight, undo, or leave the junk revisions as they are? Passengerpigeon (talk) 13:19, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * They aren't really causing a problem, but if you really want to get rid of them, let me know what you'd like the first edit to be and I'll take them out of the history for you. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:06, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't want to oversight the revisions, I was just wondering if the history of the sandbox could be split and moved back to my sandbox page, and the history relating to the development of the Massif des Brasses article could be kept where it is. If not, just leave it. Passengerpigeon (talk) 14:09, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I think I can do that, it's sort of like a complicated history merge. Where do you want to split the revisions? Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:13, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, on reflection I'm not so sure; I think that would require the page to exist in two places at the same time. Let me have a think about it. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:15, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

I would like everything before this edit (Revision as of 08:13, 12 March 2014) to be moved to User:Passengerpigeon/sandbox, and anything after that to be left on Massif des Brasses. Thanks, Passengerpigeon (talk) 14:17, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I've just tried doing the same sort of thing in my sandbox and it seems to work, so here goes... *lowers welding mask, sparks up acetylene torch* Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:23, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Already done it... BencherliteTalk 14:24, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * ...and Bencherlite did it while I was messing about with test pages... Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * ...and somehow beat me to the reply here without an edit conflict. Think I'll go and make a cup of tea. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:26, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry for jumping in, but I've done this before and when you said you weren't sure I thought it would just be easier to get on and do it rather than comment here first! Enjoy your tea. BencherliteTalk 14:28, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Passengerpigeon (talk) 14:30, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * @Passengerpigeon, for future reference, it's best to start a new article in a clean new sandbox page that has no previous history. Example; User:Passengerpigeon/First article title and User:Passengerpigeon/Second article title. When your draft has been moved you can have the now redundant sandbox deleted by placing db-user on it. I've created dozens of articles like this, starting in a clean new sandbox every time. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:36, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Variation in birth/death dates
There's got to be a policy on this somewhere, but I'm damned if I can find it. What's the correct procedure when one has multiple sources which disagree about a person's birth and death dates? Assume for the sake of argument that the sources in question are equally reliable. Thanks in advance, Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:03, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * As a compromise could you put a range in, per MOS:DOB? CaptRik (talk) 14:09, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * MOS:DOB, that's what I was looking for. Thanks CaptRik. Clearly I need to write more biographies if i can't even remember that shortcut! Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:12, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Cannot compare seleted revisions?
I cannot compare seleted revisions at:User:Vanjagenije since the results seem to be overlayed by a box. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AVanjagenije&diff=586178503&oldid=586175357 Just curious since I have never experienced this before. X14:47, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * A diff will normally display the page below the diff but this page uses position:absolute to always position content at the top. You can see the diff without rendering the page by adding &diffonly=yes to the url as in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AVanjagenije&diff=586178503&oldid=586175357&diffonly=yes. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:53, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The recommended way in url's appears to be diffonly=1 but either will work, and possibly anything other than diffonly=0. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:57, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * If there is no value at all, it also acts like a 0. But 00 acts like yes and 1.Naraht (talk) 15:07, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

new article questions
Hello,
 * I joined Wikipedia to make a publicity page for my book. I own the copyrights to it and it also has a website, but I read that I cannot make a page about something that I own. Is this correct and if so, why?


 * Knight xenon
 * Knight xenon (talk) 14:51, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia - it isn't here to provide 'publicity pages'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:56, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Some of the applicable policies are detailed at WP:NOTADVERT and WP:COI. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  17:30, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

BLP
Two articles Mansi Tiwari and Amit shankar had been proposed for deletion for not having reference to a reliable source .Now references have been added to them by their creators or interested editors .Can I remove the BLP Prod tag from them .--Skr15081997 (talk) 16:28, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Per BLPPROD, if at least one source has been added then the articles can be detagged. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 16:36, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Someone has added a bunch of links, but are you sure there are any reliable sources among those links? (in addition, both appear to be WP:TOOSOON and in need of serious copyedit before being anywhere near "presentable")-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  16:38, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * You ought to look at WP:Referencing for beginners to see how it's done. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:40, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Physics problem
Emeka packed by the side of an east-ward road is watching a car 'p' which is moving west-ward direction, John driving east at a speed of 52km/hr watching thesame car. Take the east-ward direction as positive direction. a)if Emeka measure a speed of 78km/hr for car p what velocity with John measure show the corresponding velocity diagram — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.210.248.44 (talk) 19:16, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * You might also consider asking for specific help at the Reference Desk, as the Help Desk deals with questions related to Wikipedia editing. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:26, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Pictures + Publishing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Cross and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Cross_(Canada) need to be made into one page. Info on the second page is wrong and needs to be fixed soonest. For example # awarded is 0 on one page and 1354 on the other.

Thanks and have a good day — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.137.245.206 (talk) 21:04, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * They're officially different; there's officially a separate VC for Canada. It's new enough that it's not been awarded to this point.  Nyttend (talk) 21:20, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

uploading images
How do I add in images that are saved on my PC? I've been editing a sandbox article, how do I publish it with a custom name when I'm done? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KS11221 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * File Upload Wizard and Moving a page. Basically the down arrow at the top of the page by the search bar. C T F 8 3 !  23:43, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * (1) Upload them to Wikipedia or (preferably) Wikimedia Commons under an acceptable licence, then add the filename to the article. Guidance at Uploading images  and  Image tutorial.   (2) See  Your first article. Unless you include some references to substantial coverage of the subject in independent reliable sources, there is no point moving the article to mainspace.  It will almost certainly be deleted quickly because of a failure to establish notability. You also need to ensure the language is neutral.  Promotional text isn't acceptable.  Ka renjc (talk) 23:57, 20 March 2014 (UTC)