Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 May 17

= May 17 =

Centering a table
Hello,

In the Confiscated_Armenian_properties_in_Turkey article, I want the External video box centered within the box. See Mkhitaryan Bomonti Armenian School. I want the External video box centered and all other boxes to be the same for that matter. Étienne Dolet (talk) 00:19, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * See Help:TABLECENTER. --  Gadget850talk 00:57, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That may not work for an External video table. Can you please do it for me? Étienne Dolet (talk) 01:10, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * If you mean external media, then try center per that template's documentation. --  Gadget850talk 01:23, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Even when I do that it doesn't work and it still aligns to the right. Étienne Dolet (talk) 06:12, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * external media just sets the infobox  to   which is invalid. I'm not sure how to center an infobox; ask at talk:infobox. --   Gadget850talk 11:02, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Opinion needed for article name
This is a rather basic and subjective question to be asking here, but the help desk does seem like the place to ask.

I'm wanting to write an article about this incident. There has been tons of news coverage of it over the past two years and it has had significant policy changes and legal and political ramifications for both the US and Mexico because of it, so the notability really isn't in question.

What I would like the opinion of others for is what should I name the article? I'm not sure if there is a common name for this incident, so I was thinking perhaps I should go with El Patinadero shooting for now? Silver seren C 02:09, 17 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Ideally, you should use whatever published sources call it. If they all just write about the incident without using a name for it, a possibility is "killing of Guillermo Arévalo Pedraza". Maproom (talk) 06:23, 17 May 2014 (UTC)


 * If sources use a variety of names use the most specific unambiguous one and redirect the others - "redirects are cheap". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:42, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

The article about Nathan (given name)
I added to the article that it only covers the Western name because Nathan is also a common Indian name or part of Indian name and refers to Lord Krishna. I think someone else removed my sentence. If my sentence does not meet Wikipedia guidelines then can the information be added in a way that can meet Wikipedia guidelines? Wikipedia is not only for Western people and the article should also mention the Indian name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.60.121.75 (talk) 05:45, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Everything added to a Wikipedia article should be supported by independent references supporting the information. You will need to find places in books or articles explaining what the name Nathan means to Indians, and how exactly it "refers to Lord Krishna".  Rojomoke (talk) 06:28, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That wasn't too hard:
 * http://www.modernindianbabynames.com/meaning_of_hindi_boy_name_nathan.htm
 * http://www.indiachildnames.com/name.aspx?name=Nathan
 * HiLo48 (talk) 06:38, 17 May 2014 (UTC)


 * What you added looked reasonable to me, but was not quite in the style Wikipedia prefers for such notes. I have re-added it, in something closer to the preferred style. Maproom (talk) 06:40, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Old: Paulo Bitencourt --> New: Paulo Béthencourt
Change page title and URL to reflect new artist's name.

I created this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Bitencourt But now this artist adopted a new artist's name, calling himself officially "Paulo Béthencourt". I already changed it in the article, but how can I change the page title and URL as well, so that it reflects his new name, also in the pages' address? Carl Sagan 2 (talk) 07:47, 17 May 2014 (UTC)


 * You do it by moving the page (which will leave the old name behind as a redirect). But you really need a reliable independent source which says that he has changed his name. The referencing on the page needs substantial work: the references need proper formatting (see referencing for beginners) and several of them are not substantial or not indedependent. --ColinFine (talk) 09:34, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

i want to write a article on what just happening in pharmacy in andhrapradesh but i am getting some problems
sir , i am from india ,my state is andhrapradesh, here in andhrapradesh every college is giving certificates without attending classes , i want to tell this matter to government so please accept my article....... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sundarikartheek (talk • contribs) 10:48, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * we do not accept original research nor content dedicated to advocacy. Nor are we a conduit for you to contact your government, you should contact them directly. If the issue becomes something that receives significant coverage by reliably published sources, then it might qualify as a topic, but not necessarily. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  10:55, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, please stop creating new articles with the same unacceptable content. CaptRik (talk) 12:17, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Service Level Agreements of Wikipedia
Are there any real service-level agreements of Wikipedia?

I have not found any so far and I would appreciate it very much if someone could help me.

I would need to analyze them for my course. ITILv321234 (talk) 12:27, 17 May 2014 (UTC)


 * ITILv321234, could you be more specific about what you're looking for? I've been around here for about 10 years and I don't recall anything called "service-level agreements".  Dismas |(talk) 13:27, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * the "service level agreements" are essentially "We provide a free encyclopedia, that anyone can edit. (Use at your own risk.)" -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  13:34, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

I am looking for service-level agreements such as described in this article Service-level_agreement related to Wikipedia. Are there any SLAs for IT services of Wikipedia? ITILv321234 (talk) 13:53, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * No. We have a terms of use linked at the bottom of every page. --  Gadget850talk 13:57, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Service level agreements are part of a contract between suppliers and users of a service. There is no contract involved with our users, we provide the service as a free gift, thus there is, and can be, no SLA involved.  Spinning  Spark  14:27, 17 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Not quite - as Gadget said, see the footer: "By using this site, you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy." and the terms are set out at Foundation:Terms of Use.--ukexpat (talk) 14:46, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very, very much so far.

Are you sure that there are also no SLAs for IT services of Wikipedia and third parties (in this case Wikipedia would be the "user" and the third party = external company would be the supplier)?

I would think of IT services such as IT consultanting, software and infrastructure development, system integration etc. or any other IT services.

Are there no external companies which provide IT services for Wikipedia? ITILv321234 (talk) 17:46, 17 May 2014 (UTC)


 * If there are any, they would be with the Wikimedia Foundation, rather than 'Wikipedia' - and I doubt that they would want to disclose such contractual agreements for the purpose you describe. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:50, 17 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I would find it very surprising if there were not SLAs between the WMF and at least some third party providers. You could perhaps ask in the WP:IRC channel #wikimedia-tech if anyone is willing to give you any information (vague or otherwise) or advise you who to ask. (Asking during the Californian working day might be best.) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * i would also find it very surprising if either Wikimedia or the third party vendor would want to make such SLAs public. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  00:22, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

For information, an essay: Service level agreement.  Spinning Spark  18:35, 17 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Which is incorrect as it completely ignores the terms of use, linked above.--ukexpat (talk) 12:47, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

How to
how do you up load information about someone who is not there ' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1031kee (talk • contribs) 15:15, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you mean, how do you create an article? see the article creation process. The first step is to gather reliably published sources that discuss the subject in a detailed manner so that you know that the subject meets the requirements for a stand alone article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  15:21, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

New user and image uploads
Could somebody here help out the person who made [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dust_Bowl&diff=608951912&oldid=607522539 this edit], especially relating to their image uploads? I'm totally blind and therefore don't feel comfortable advising people on this issue. Their project sounds very interesting, but I for one am concerned about the image placement and resolution, and I'm not certain about the images' copyright status (because I'm not sure whether we're dealing with the original images or restorations). Thanks! Graham 87 15:36, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * There are a couple other issues there, yes the original black and whites may be public domain (PD-US), but they are colour additions. Not sure how that works.  Also their userpage/username seems to be promoting a book of the Dorothea Lange's photographs.  The images are hosted on Commons however so the uploads should be handled there. --kelapstick(bainuu) 15:45, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * while the project is potentially interesting, we would not use colorized versions of historical photos except in rare circumstances such as an article about colorizing historical photos. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  15:53, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * A very valid point. I didn't see any copyright notices on the website they came from, however, as mentioned, it is a Commons issue (and I don't have access to Commons right now). --kelapstick(bainuu) 15:59, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm going to remove them. They were clearly taken from the dorothealange.com site without permission, and the claimed source (Library of Congress) does not link to a page on LoC that confirms their public domain status (just the main page). It may be for Commons to deal with the copyright issue, but we do not have to keep them in the article in the meantime.  Spinning  Spark  17:12, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh right, someone's already done that.  Spinning Spark  17:13, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Question about logos
I've been given permission to upload from a book World Federation of Trade Unions 1945-1985 by the author. I would like to upload images of the logos of the affiliated TUIS from that book onto the appropriate wikipages. However, I can't seem to find a license or permission on wikicommons that corresponds to my situation. Can logos of organizations within a work (such as a book) be reproduced after you have been given permission by the third party author of that book? Or would these logos count as fair use anyway?

These are the pages I am talking about

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ILD438.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UISlogo.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ILD187.jpg

Sincerely,--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 22:35, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * you cannot upload them to commons. commons requires fully free licencing by the owner and you havent gotten that. for current logos for organizations, you can probably make a WP:FAIR use claim to use them in the appropriate article. but you will need to upload them to wikipedia (and dont claim that you are the author - you didnt create the logos, you have merely scanned them)-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:48, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I've moved two of them off Commons for you:


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ICPS_Trade_Union_Logo.jpg


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TUIAFPW_Trade_Union_Logo.jpg


 * The other one had already been speedy deleted on the commons, so I can't see it any more. You can re-upload it here - File_Upload_Wizard. (Note, permission from the author of the book doesn't give you permission from the owners of the copyright on the logo - the organisations in question.)--Otus scops (talk) 07:40, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Q about administrator actions
Very simple one, and I may have missed it somewhere in the various help files; if so, excuse me for mentioning it here. The question is: how to proceed if an editor has a concern that an administrator may be overstepping his/her authority in dealing with an incipient edit war that includes some of the administrator's own edits? I will not mention the article in question, as it's a general concern rather than one tied to a specific article. -- Bill-on-the-Hill (talk) 23:39, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The first best action is also contacting the editor on their talk page and raising your concern. If that does not help settle the issue, then WP:ANI is one possibility. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:43, 17 May 2014 (UTC)