Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 November 1

= November 1 =

How to capture an image from a YouTube video
I'm editing the article Mister Smile, which is about an animated short film that can be viewed on YouTube. I'd like to include an image of the film in the infobox, but there don't seem to be any photos already online that I could use. What's the best method for capturing a screepcap from the YouTube video? I've never done this before. The only way that I can think of would be to copy the entire webpage (Ctrl/sysrq), paste it into a paint file, and then crop it. Would that be fine? --Jpcase (talk) 01:50, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and captured the image that way. If for any reason I shouldn't have though, then please let me know on my talk page. Thanks. --Jpcase (talk) 02:19, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Hallowe'en
Your Christian references and false substantiations have now turned my back to Wickipedia as any form of reference.

False references do not constitute valid ones.

Good-bye gentlemen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.72.166 (talk) 05:09, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * What about the ladies? HiLo48 (talk) 05:16, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * If you find something wrong with Wikipedia, don't just come and rant about it, fix it! (But please find reliable sources for anything you add). --ColinFine (talk) 10:50, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

References within a footnote
I am attempting to create references withing a footnote, is that possible? Here is the diff with the raw references placed withing the footnote. Please ping me if there is a solution.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:21, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * , see WP:REFNEST for what to do, and see my article Watermill at Opwetten for an example of how to use the refn template. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 05:46, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * , Thanks!--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:03, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Your lack of accessability
I hate to say this but not all people were born with an iPhone 6 or a computer modem in their hand.

Get back to basics. Offer an easy printing option-which does NOT exist. Charge for it if you like-but not everyone is computer savvy, preferring books-thank God.

I wanted to print the characters and cast of THE WALKING DEAD. No not allowed/found.

This is BULLSHIT. And your problem solution offers are CRAP. It has taken me 30 minutes to get a contact email address because your ridiculous links kept sending me elsewhere.

I understand you do not want others to get free info. Fine. Charge a fee. But make everything printable like the Australian banks, NAB and CBA do.

Samantha Ward — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaecity (talk • contribs) 06:27, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * On the left side of the screen, under the "print/export" section, is a button "printable version". Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 06:52, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe you could have just tried the "Printable version" link on the left panel? You can actually order Books for a print version as well. -- lTopGunl (talk) 06:53, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * If you are the same Samantha Ward, you had similar answers before : Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:37, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Dear . I get that you are frustrated and angry. What I don't understand is why you think it will help you with your problem coming here and SHOUTING at thousands of people, most of whom know little about printing in Wikipedia; and the ones who do know unable to help you because you haven't explained what the problem is. It's like somebody going to a busy street in front of a couple of garages and shouting to everybody there "Hey, you b****s, you haven't fixed my car".
 * Like many of the people who read this page I come here because I want to help people use and contribute to this great project. I'm the sort of person who enjoys helping people. But I don't like being shouted at, I especially don't like being shouted at for something that is nothing to do with me; and I can't help people who don't explain what the problem is. I am utterly bemused that you think somebody wants to charge you for something: that is utterly contrary to what Wikipedia is about; but again, without knowing what you are seeing, there's no way I could explain what's going on.
 * Now, would you like to calm down, and explain what you are trying to do, what result you get, and why this is not satisfactory for you? --ColinFine (talk) 11:13, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

You can print a Wikipedia page by selecting  →   from your browser.
 * In the left sidebar of each Wikipedia page is a selection for 'Printable version'. This is a very basic print function, mainly of use for very old browsers. See Help:Printable.
 * If the file menu does not show on a Windows system, pressing should reveal it.
 * On a Mac using Safari, Reader mode is usually a better choice for printing. Older versions of Safari will show the Reader button to the right of the web address; newer versions show an icon [[File:Toolbaricon justify-left.png]] to the left of the web address. Reader mode assembles articles that are split over multiple pages and removes ads, menu bars, and other clutter.
 * For more control over printing, log into your account and enable 'Printable version' will then show as 'Print page'.

--  Gadget850talk 11:41, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * If you still have problems then also say which browser/device you are trying to print with. Are you saying it is an iPhone 6 and you can use it to print other webpages on your printer? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:12, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I interpret her post as meaning people who have an iPhone 6 would have an easier time but she does not have one.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:44, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Ruined City of Ehn'gha in Rhode Island
Why was your webpage for searching the Ruined City of Ehn'gha in Rhode Island, United States doing the Harlem shake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.23.149.121 (talk) 07:02, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * What page of Wikipedia are you asking for help with? What precisely is the problem with it? --ColinFine (talk) 11:19, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * This page is a start, although I don't know what the problem is. Britmax (talk) 19:38, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, that game is set in Rhode Island, if I do recall. But what does that have to do with anything? Also, Rhode Island is in New England, so please refer to it as Rhode Island, New England, United States in the future. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 19:40, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I assume that your reference to including New England in the state reference is intended to be humorous. On the Internet, no one knows that you are being sarcastic, and could actually think that you are citing some obscure rule in the MOS about place naming.  There is no such rule.  A US state name followed by country name (United States) is unambiguous.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:07, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * In most instances like this, it probably would have been sarcasm. But... not here. Check my userpage for context. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 21:41, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that New England is a distinct linguistic and cultural region within the United States. However, any reference to Rhode Island implies New England.  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:01, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Mayhap, but many people who would use the phrasing "Rhode Island, United States" probably would be less familiar with New England. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 22:45, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * What is the problem with the web page, anyway? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:01, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Translating an entry from English to Turkish
I am a professional interpreter and would like to help with translating entries written in English to Turkish on an ad hoc basis. My field is Legal and Law. Do you know how I can translate an entry? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.26.208.123 (talk) 14:56, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * See WP:Translate us for guidance. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:56, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Name change to Cheryl Cole
The Cheryl Cole page has not change the actual file name to Cheryl Fernandez -Versini. She has recently got married again and would previous not like to be called Cheryl Cole because that her ex husband name (Ashely Cole) he cheated on her several time they divorce couple of years ago. So she would like to called Cheryl Fernandez -Versini — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaun3559 (talk • contribs) 20:55, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The article in question is Cheryl Cole. On the one hand, her name change to Cheryl Fernandez-Versini is sourced in the article lede.  On the other hand, I am hesitant to move the article at this time because the article has already been the subject of recent move warring, and conflict over whether she is normally known mononymously as Cheryl (singer).  For that reason, I would suggest that you discuss on the article talk page with a Requested Move to get consensus.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:21, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Cheryl Fernandez-Versini does redirect to her. Once there is consensus on whether to call her by that name or as Cheryl, it may be necessary for an admin to close the move because of all of the redirects that have been left by the slow motion move warring.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:24, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * There is a discussion on the talk page, Talk: Cheryl Cole, which is where you can discuss. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:35, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Detailed page history
Is there any tool (beyond scrolling through page history) which will enable me to see which users have edited a specified page, and how many edits each has made? RolandR (talk) 21:11, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually, there is. Go to the page history, click "Revision history statistics", scroll down to "Top editors". There's quite a bit of this kind of information there, pie charts followed by a table. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  00:00, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you; I knew I'd seen this somewhere. But this raises another problem. I'm trying to trace long-running vandalism on Aliyah, and the Top Editors tool tells me that the top editor by text added is User:165.155.192.78, credited with 42.9% of the article text. However, when I look at that editor's contributions, it appears that they have made just one edit to the page, adding a total of 6 bytes. There is clearly an error here. Where can I go for help in clarifying this? RolandR (talk) 00:42, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I used browser Find to look for other occurrences of 165.155.192.78 on the stats page. Near the top, that IP is given "max text added" (in a single edit) honors for an edit on 28 October. The byte count shows +103,177, which would certainly qualify for the honors, but clicking on the byte count gives you the diff for the 6-byte edit you mentioned. 103,177 was the article size after the edit, not the increase. Looks like a bug in the data collection or in the tool. I wouldn't know where to report that, but it could be related to the message at the top of the page, "Notice: Again issues with Tool Labs databases after db maintenance. Some wiki's won't work. Sorry about that!". I've found that with some of these tools you take what you get. You might look at Revision history search and see if that's of any use in your vandalism investigation. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  01:58, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Cannot see how to align text in columns of this table
I've tried many ways and looked at many resources to get all the first column of the table below to align left, with all subsequent columns aligning center.

I can't get it to work. There are a few tables that need identical formatting. The most efficient code would be great. Working cell-by-cell would be very clumsy.

Here is the markup so far (from page Duke_language):

It's probably obvious to those in the know, but I can't find any clear answer in Help:Table or related resources. Can I get help please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stringybark (talk • contribs) 21:19, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * In the table header styling, use   to set the style for all cells. Then for the cells you want left aligned, add  . HTML   is obsolete, so use a CSS style. --   Gadget850talk 22:08, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Many thanks, changes now implemented based on this template. Stringybark (talk) 20:41, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Lists based on ethnicity
Should lists exist for all members of a certain group that belong to the same ethnicity? I recently came across List of black animated characters and began to do some much needed clean up on the page, but before getting very far, I started to wonder whether the list really ought to exist at all. I noticed a discussion to this effect here, - Articles for deletion/List of British Asian people - and although that article was eventually turned into a redirect, the actual discussion closed without consensus. A list about black animated characters would certainly prove more manageable than lists of British minority groups, but all the same, the topic seems overly extensive to me. Personally, I think that it would be better to create articles that provide critical analysis of each minority group within the context of various topic areas, rather than trying (and most likely failing) to create exhaustive lists of every person/character who falls within each category. For example, we could have an article called Black characters in animation, which could discuss how various scholars, critics, historians, et. al. have perceived the portrayal of black animated characters throughout different eras. Examples of particularly notable characters could still be provided, but there would be no attempt to cover every single black character in animation. This is just a hypothetical article though - I have no definite intentions of creating it myself.

I do think that we should probably define some kind of standard for this though; that way editors know whether to continue creating these sorts of lists. Otherwise, we'll have inconsistent coverage (e.g. why don't we have a page called List of Asian animated characters?) Does anyone agree? If so, how would we go about establishing a guideline to this effect? --Jpcase (talk) 21:24, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hmm, lists are an area with not much precise agreed policy. The Manual of Style for lists sets out the main uses of lists, which may point to whether a proposed list would be worth creating. Separately, the Manual of Style for stand-alone lists has a section on appropriate topics for lists. Then there are the guidelines and essays linked in the "guidelines" section of WP:WikiProject Lists. You could take a look at these and make some suggestions at the talk page of the WikiProject itself, or of whichever page seems most relevant. I'm sure more clarification would be welcome on what lists we should or shouldn't have, and the criteria for what goes into them Noyster  (talk),  20:01, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Retrotransposon marker
I am trying to edit this page: Retrotransposon marker

The second sentence of the third paragraph has a typo  "orthologues" should be "orthologous"

Unfortunately, the word links to a specific section of another entry in Wikipedia. I do not know how to preserve this link while also changing the typo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runnerdan48 (talk • contribs) 23:14, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I'll assume that you know how to edit the page, and that the question is only about this particular kind of change. Edit the page, locate  orthologues , and change it to  orthologous . The part before the  is the link, and the part after it is what displays on the page. It's called a piped link. Does that help? &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss   &#9742;  23:40, 1 November 2014 (UTC)