Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 November 19

= November 19 =

Creating a subpage of the current page by transcluding its name in the link
Would it be possible to make a link to create a subpage with the name of the current page transcluded into the link? I know that I could just type out the page name, but the link is in a template that goes on many pages, so doing that would take forever. This is my code: Create spreadsheet 1. I am using the preloader and WYSIWYG extensions to automatically fill in every new page in the Spreadsheet namespace with a 100 cell excel style spreadsheet, 1-10 y axis and a-j x axis. What this code should be doing is making a link that looks like Create spreadsheet 1 that leads to a subpage of the page the user was just on in the Spreadsheet namespace, prefilled with an actual spreadsheet by Preloader. What it actually does is lead to a new page form that literally says "Creating page Spreadsheet : /page1" What I want to do is have 10 links on every page that automatically create subpages of the article name in the Spreadsheet namespace, pulling the name of the current article and putting it into the new subpage title. I've got semantic mediawiki taking care of automatically creating a lorem ipsum page in Spreadsheet : for every new mainspace page, so there's already a page to make subpages of. --74.214.41.229 (talk) 04:20, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Never mind, it just now decided to start working. No explanation I can see as to why it wasn't working and why it is now, but I'll come back if there's an issue. Maybe it was my cache? --74.214.41.229 (talk) 04:31, 22 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't know why it failed before but note that with double EE is required if your page name may contain spaces or other characters which require url encoding. Also note that this is the help desk for the English Wikipedia. We have no knowledge of your wiki. In Wikipedia your url would have to contain /w/ instead of /wiki/ but that's a configuration setting. If /wiki/ works at your wiki then fine. You posted this at top of the page under November 19 where it will soon be archived, instead of the bottom of the page under November 22. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:47, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, I know this is waaaay off topic, but I don't know why you guys are using Visualeditor and not WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG can display a lot more tables, infoboxes and semantic functions visually (rather than the lines Visualeditor shows throught the large areas it can't edit). And its not nearly as slow and glitchy as visualeditor because it snaps right into the default edit window rather than trying to hijack the process, and there's also nothing to learn because it looks just like Microsoft Word. My mom thought I had Word 2007 installed and wasn't really using a website, its that uncannny. Seriously, is there any reason why? In my experience, WYSIWYG is technically superior and easier to use. The extension page is for Mediawiki 1.17, but there's a maintained version with more recent instructions on Github. --74.214.41.229 (talk) 05:36, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

printz board edit
hi! I am looking over the page for Printz Board (music producer) and there is a whole section of content under "4." at the end of the article that is written as a footnote instead of a main paragraph. How can i make it it's own paragraph and not a foot note? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melodynoelh (talk • contribs)


 * It happened because you removed an ending  in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Printz_Board&diff=next&oldid=634450765 this] edit. See Help:Referencing for beginners. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:15, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Login page on iPad 1
I can no longer check "Keep me logged in" on my iPad 1. The checkbox doesn't function. Is this a known problem? Thanks -- Jo3sampl (talk) 02:00, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * the people who would know can be found at WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:47, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

How do i contact facebook
How do i contact facebook to close my business page when i did not create the page and do not have the login information or password and the person that created the page does not work for my business yet continues to use my business page,license to make money? --96.54.98.168 (talk) 02:14, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi there - the Wikipedia help desk is for help regarding how to use Wikipedia. To answer your question, you can report a Facebook page by following the instructions here. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 02:30, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

PokitPal
Hi There

I'm trying to create a page for our business PokitPal. Wikipedia won't allow me to create PokitPal as there is already Pokitpal (without the middle "p" capitalised). I'm not sure what to do to get around this. There doesn't seem to be any content for Pokitpal (small "p") and I have a feeling maybe someone else accidentally created it. What can I do to get the page "PokitPal" active?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.175.81.82 (talk)


 * Hi - again, the Wikipedia help desk is for help on using and editing Wikipedia. The Wikipedia reference desk is the place to ask questions unrelated to Wikipedia - you may find help there, but the issue you have does sound like something that will have to be sorted out with Facebook. Wikipedia has no control over how Facebook operates. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 02:51, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * This post was by another IP address in another country than above so I assume it's an independent question from another user. I have added a section heading. There is no page called Pokitpal. There is an old unused account with that username but you aren't allowed to use PokitPal or Pokitpal as your own username per Username policy. You can create an account with an unrelated username. The username will not be the name of an article created by the user. See FAQ/Organizations. You can try to submit an article at Articles for creation but most articles about a user's own business do not satisfy our policies and are declined. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:59, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Nice catch, thank you! I've struck my comment. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 04:08, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Question About a Wikipedia Member
I normally don't ask these types of questions, but I think that I can make an exception for this. Hopefully I am posting this in the right place and hopefully such questions are okay to post here. Anyway, here goes:

Does anyone know what exactly happened to Wikipedia user Katie Ryan A? She hasn't posted at all on Wikipedia for the last 3.5 months despite being very active on Wikipedia before that point in time (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Katie_Ryan_A). I was previously engaged in a very long conversation with Katie on her talk page, but after she suddenly stopped posting on Wikipedia, I am unable to continue this conversation with her. I would think that normally, Wikipedia editors don't frequently edit and then suddenly stop editing unannounced; thus, I was wonder if anyone knows why exactly Katie Ryan A stopped posting on Wikipedia (if it is okay for him or her to share this information here, that is). I am concerned for Katie's well-being and seriously hope that Katie is currently doing okay/good and that nothing bad happened to her at the beginning of August 2014. After all, based on my interactions with her, I honestly think that Katie is a great, extremely friendly, and nice person. :) Futurist110 (talk) 03:16, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * We may never know. Unfortunately, she didn't allow for users to email her (as evidenced by the lack of an "Email this user" link on her user page) otherwise you could try to contact her that way.  It's possible that things in her life changed in such a way that she no longer edits but those reasons aren't necessarily bad.  That said, I thought we had a category for deceased Wikipedians but I can't find it just now.  Nothing like it appears at the bottom of her user page either.   Dismas |(talk) 04:25, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * - nice to see Wikipedians who care about other Wikipedians. You can try posting your message at Wikipedia talk:Missing Wikipedians - maybe someone there has some good ideas. Good luck. Ottawahitech (talk) 00:02, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you; I have posted this same message on that page right now, and Yes, hopefully someone there has some information or at least good ideas about this. I strongly hope that nothing bad happened to Katie at the beginning of August 2014, since that would be an extremely atrocious tragedy which would break my heart. :( Futurist110 (talk) 06:01, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * If she informed anyone here about the reason, she would have had to do it by telephone, postal letter, email, face-to-face communication, or posting somewhere here. The first four cases would indicate that she didn't want it to be Wikipublic knowledge. If she posted somewhere here, you would see that in her contribs. Reasons that would prevent her from communicating are possible but rare. Chances are, life happened and she didn't feel compelled to notify Wikipedia. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  05:46, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Undo command usage
Dear Sir / Madam,

Wiki is best platform to get information from and share to.

We found that there are lot of editors who only goes to undo instead of improving the work / contribution done by other users.

Need stringent rule for only undo when some percent of total work done by some editor is wrong.

Thanks and Regards,

Wiki user & Editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.242.3.73 (talk • contribs) 05:59, 19 November 2014‎ (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is WP:NOTCOMPULSORY, every editor can contribute in the manner that is most appropriate for them, be it adding appropriate content, making content look pretty, fixing grammatical errors, removing inappropriate content, coaching new editors or whatever their their particular skill and interest brings to the project. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:36, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * There's also the possibility that by hitting "undo" that the editor in question felt that A) the article was better in its previous state or B) the added material required a major re-write in order to be suitable for inclusion and thus, back to point A, felt that the article was better served by having the changes undone. Dismas |(talk) 13:22, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Draft:Swingball
Reference help requested.

I'm struggling to understand the correct way to cite when writing an entry.

Thanks, Mattjgriggs (talk) 10:35, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Having a read of Referencing for beginners would be of great help to you. Instead of putting the numbers (1, 2, and so on) in the text, you should be putting the links to the references there.  So it should look something like this:
 * This is a sentence that needs a reference. 
 * I hope this helps but again, you should really read over Referencing for Beginners. Dismas |(talk) 11:24, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * You should be aware that Wikipedia already has an article on swingball, titled totem tennis. It is far less promotional and biased than the draft version, and contains evidence disproving the claim in the draft that the game originated in 1973. Maproom (talk) 10:55, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Lost archive pages?
This edit to archive parameters seems to have lost at least one of the related archive pages. The reason I believe this is that the editsum in this edit includes a link to an archived section that worked before but is now redlinked.

What can be done about this, if anything? &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  14:47, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Did you click the red link? The log for Talk:2014 Ferguson unrest/Archive 15 shows it was moved to Talk:2014 Ferguson unrest/Archive 1. Your diff shows an edit summary with a link to the archive page but not a specific section on the page. Talk:2014 Ferguson unrest/Archive 1 has mention of possible splitting. I don't see why you think something was lost. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:07, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I thought it was lost because link was redlinked, and I didn't know the effect of that parameter change, imagining it deleting archive pages 2-15 without first merging them into page 1. I don't know why anyone would deem it necessary to make that change, knowing that they might be breaking useful existing links. But I understand the situation now, at least. Thanks. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  15:18, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Pages 2-14 never existed. The archiving was set up with a bad parameter, probably because somebody adapted the code from a page which had reached archive 15 at the time. Changing counter to 1 in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:2014_Ferguson_unrest&diff=634485711&oldid=633395901] and moving Talk:2014 Ferguson unrest/Archive 15 to Talk:2014 Ferguson unrest/Archive 1 was the right thing to do. Special:WhatLinksHere/Talk:2014 Ferguson unrest/Archive 15 shows your link at Talk:Shooting of Michael Brown is the only broken wikilink in a page. Links in edit summaries cannot be searched but the red link contains a link to the new location so it's an insignificant problem (until archive 15 is really reached if that ever happens). PrimeHunter (talk) 22:34, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Cluebot false positive
I edited a redirect, and Cluebot thought it was vandalism and reverted me. I changed the target and removed R from merge, the latter because we hadn't merged anything from the redirect to the new target. I followed the "report a false positive" link that it gave me, but when I'd typed my message, I reached a page with a multi-pages-long error message, beginning with "Warning: fsockopen: php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /data/project/cluebot/public_html/includes/dbFunctions.php on line 154..." Can someone help me report this false positive, since the "official" way isn't working? 65.210.65.16 (talk) 15:16, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I noticed you reverted the bot and since then he hasn't rolled you back again so I think you're OK. As for reporting the false positive, I just tested the link and it all seems in order — BranStark (talk) 15:24, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref
Can someone help me fix this citation. I am getting "Cite error: A (see the help page)." even though I have the closing tag.

It's for an article I am creating. I guess you'll have to look at the source of my question since I don't know how to make it so the code is read as text and not read as code. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BryanAtkinson12 (talk • contribs)


 * I've added nowiki tags in order for the code to show up as code. By the way, it might help if you told us what article you're working on.  Dismas |(talk) 15:50, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Special:Contributions/BryanAtkinson12 doesn't show any articles except adding one name to a list, so Bryan is apparently getting this in preview or on a page that has been deleted. 65.210.65.16 (talk) 16:07, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I am working on creating an article - just using preview mode, but I went ahead and created the article with what I have so far so you can see. I started a paragraph below the last paragraph, but no text after the reference error is showing up. The page title is Enric Sifa. Thanks! BryanAtkinson12 (talk) 16:17, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Fixed. When you reuse refs the second(etc.) uses have to be you didn't have the /. Naraht (talk) 16:31, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I added a (somewhat) standard References section heading and reflist template. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  16:35, 19 November 2014 (UTC)"


 * Thank you everyone for your assistance. I finished the entry. BryanAtkinson12 (talk) 07:47, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Infobox
Can somebody fix this infobox? Michael Hill (American football) Thanks! PacoDaKing14Sportz (talk) 19:14, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * - You had double brackets instead of double braces opening one of the templates. Tough one! &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  19:35, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

A source based question Comment
Do the websites of educational institutes such as universities count as reliable third party sources? (I think I know the answer already but I could do with some clarification). --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 19:42, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Gerald A. Carroll
Born in July 17, 1954, Gerald Allen Carroll was born in Alaska. He ended up at Florida, South Carolina and Japan during his children and schooos, with father Frank Allen Carroll was at full service with U.S. Air Force. During then, Gerald Carroll did attend school for third, fourth and part of fifth. In 1962 did fly to Japam was done, but flown in 1965 to Auburn, Alabama, and moved to Florida on McCoy Air Force of Orlando, Fla. Gerald had to then get moved to Nicholasville, Ky., to be with families huring father Frank Carroll his duty at Vietnam at 1969, until returning on 1970 and moving us back to Florida. During then, at 1970-1971, I went to racial mizes between white and black students under federal courts pushing with mixed-for students every where in Florida. As a tromber played, Gerald had to move to Florids for 1972 high school graduation from Vanden High School in Fairfield, CA.

College was none both Solano Community College and Sacramento State University, where a B.A. In Journalism was earned in 1976. Gerald was covering for the Sacramento State newspaped against corruption in the college clubs, and about the old Farmers Untion demonstrations. Some smuggling of the college came during the passed-out "Gemstone Files" from a man named Bruce Roberts, who died in San Francisco in 1976. Gerald's reseach led to "Project Seek" on the Roberts writings, and was published in 1994 by Bridgers House during Carroll's work as a teacher and editor for the University of Iowa. During to the 1976 and 1993 at Iowa, Gerald worked at several newspapers in California, Kentucky, Illinois and in Iowa as well.

Misic education also came to tye new job of Gerald in 1999 until 2006 at schols in California at Fairfield ans Orosi, then in 2006 it was the Visalia Times-Delta that hired him for a reporter. He worked there since 2012, until April of that year Gerald had to live ag Golden Living Center at Fowlee CA. Gerald still lives there, but has been working fir a healing developmenf, and wilk soon go back to active duty in Visalia and others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerald A. Carroll (talk • contribs)
 * If you wish to submit a potential article, you will need to use the WP:AFC or WP:RA process. Note that the subject of an article must meet certain level of criteria. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  19:57, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * and I suggest you read WP:autobiography before you go any further, . --ColinFine (talk) 19:40, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia Biography Page
When people look me up in the internet or Google, how do I get my Wikipedia page to pop up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drrandallnozawa (talk • contribs) 20:25, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * There are a number of misconceptions in your question, but on the face value, that depends upon google's current algorithms which generally include how many times other important sites link to a particular page. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  20:31, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The answer is exactly the same as the last time you asked. Wikipedia is not a webhosting service, and your user page is not an article, so it won't show up in searches. This is an encyclopaedia, and only has articles on notable subjects. Try Facebook or something. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:32, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * And from a quick look the contents of the user page are barely acceptable for a user page.--ukexpat (talk) 20:58, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The user page has been nominated for speedy deletion as purely promotional. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Union Township, Washington County, PA
The website is no longer valid. I am the Secretary for Union Township, Washington County, PA, 15332, and the new website address is: http://uniontwp.psatstwp.org/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.89.104.205 (talk • contribs)


 * - Thank you. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  21:25, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Article activation
Hey there, does anybody have a clue why it takes more than a month to publish my artcle, and it still hasn't come out? I'm a bit confused here :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by Korabivana (talk • contribs) 21:49, 19 November 2014‎
 * Sure, Wikipedia runs by volunteers and the number of volunteers willing to slog through the morass of trash that comes in via the AfC process does not match the volume of people attempting to submit crap. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  21:55, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Assuming you mean Draft:Ivana Korab, the clue is probably in the AFC submission box at the top of the page "This may take several weeks, to over a month. The Articles for creation process is severely backlogged." Though the result of the review is self-evidently going to be rejection, since you fail to cite any sources whatsoever for the content, and accordingly fail to demonstrate that the subject meets our notability criteria. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:58, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * (I'm not above piling on from time to time) The same box, which has been there since 28 October, contains a convenient group of links under "How to improve your article". &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  22:05, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * On the other hand, it is a Wiki, so YOU CAN HELP! Spend a couple of months editing other articles and learning about policies such as WP:NPOV and WP:GNG and then YOU can join the intrepid forces working diligently to clear up the backlog! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:13, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input
I would just like to know how to add the late John Pinette to the April deaths of 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidDeRose18 (talk • contribs) 23:00, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Pinette is already in Deaths in April 2014, under April 5. What page are you referring to? &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  23:17, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I corrected the cite error caused by extraneous markup in 2014. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  23:21, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Wiki book
I have started a book and want to add pages to it. Several times when I went to save an article to the book there was a menu item that made it quite easy. Now I have lost that menu item and don't know how to retrieve it. --Vikingjon (talk) 23:58, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Special:Contributions/Vikingjon shows you have saved User:Vikingjon/Books/Jon Nils Fogelberg-Genealogy. If that's the book then click "Book Creator" at "Edit this book:" in the box. Does that give what you want? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:39, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Reducing image sizes
Hi, I've uploaded an image that is probably too big (replacing one that was clearly too small) but I can't find the template to trigger its reduction. The file is File:Gerseystorms.jpg. Anyone know where that template is? BlackCab ( TALK ) 01:23, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I think you just resize it on your computer and upload it, but I don't see the need. It's obviously too large to include in an article at full size, but that's why we have the "thumb" parameter of the File: link. The reader can click on the thumbnail for the full size image.

&#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  06:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Found it. . Thanks anyway.  BlackCab  ( TALK ) 06:23, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * - Yeah, I failed to see the non-free reduction tag. Sorry. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  06:26, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Who Killed Johnny and threatened DR by mentioning 'COI' etc
Hi, not being sure to contact the 'correct' forum to mediate, honestly i'm completely irritated for the very first within EN-WP and 'frustrated' once again. Although i'm contributing and created dozens of wikis since 2007 respectively 2009, as yet assuming to do appropriate contributions, and proud to be honored by the Englisch-language Wikipedia as autoreviewer, reviewer, and at Wikimedia Commons and Malayalam Wikipedia as ''autopatrolled'.

Referring to Who Killed Johnny i started to 23:33, 18 November 2014 by 3 edits and one crossing his edit,and  stated within 9 minutes on 23:42, 18 November 2014 Proposing article for deletion per WP:PROD. I started Talk:Who Killed Johnny to 01:56, 19 November 2014 intentionally to seriously argue and discuss,
 * answered on 21:50, 19 November 2014 by User:CorbieVreccan, quotation >... I prodded this as most of the sources seem generated by the producers of the film, and I think there is probably COI here ... If you keep removing the prod notice, and this does not demonstrate notability, it will go to AfD or be speedied ...<

First i mentioned in the talk hoping that interesting Wikipedians also may argue, but so far unlucky, and intended to argue once again – please read the talk and wiki mentioned – but realized what that imho assumption by User:CorbieVreccan may lead out, and also feeled personally attacked ... so p.e. i did not remove but started to add (a day ago) much more realiable sources to 01:08, 19 November 2014, all further final contributions being also commented in the wiki's version history.

And so you would like to mediate,
 * i beg you to check the wiki's content as seriously/deeply you prefer, and
 * please check my longtime distributions, imho there's no reason to talk about a 'team' behind, as User:CorbieVreccan imho too easily should have been remarked before argueing as mentioned.
 * please check the references added to the wiki, to avoid imho a not needed DR or speedydeletion, by just 'clicking' the references within some minutes spending less time,
 * and imho you'll notice that i started just to use the 'press map' of the film crew as clearly mentioned, to detail the production and background and not to promoting or whatever User:CorbieVreccan may also assume.
 * The predominant part of the the references used are still Swiss national television/radio and serious media bestknown at least in German-speaking Swiss area i suppose.

Honestly, as 'longyear' Wikimedian in all Wikimedia projects having about 390'000 edits the past eight years, i feel seriously personal attacked, as i noticed now by User:CorbieVreccan as a sysop, by those mentioned imho assumptions, imho even harassment and missinterpretion of my previous contributions, at least referring to Who Killed Johnny.

Please mediate, here or at Talk:Who Killed Johnny or what you feel adequate for the needs. Sorry about my English not being my mother tongue. Thank you and kindly regards, Roland zh (talk) 03:13, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I see that there are strong opinions, and that it appears, on brief examination, that both editors need to listen to each other. The original poster appears to be angry.  It isn't clear what the original poster means by threatened with DR.  There have been no threats, but there is a dispute over whether the article should be kept or deleted.  On the other hand, I don't any basis for User:CorbieVreccan to say that, if the PROD tag is removed, the article will be taken to AFD or speedied, in that I don't see a claim that any of the criteria for speedy deletion apply.  The way to resolve the issue of whether to keep or delete the article is indeed articles for deletion.  I understand that the original poster, as author of the article, doesn't want to see it deleted.  However, there is nothing to mediate.  AFD, which is a consensus process, not a mediation process, is the proper means to resolve this issue.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:33, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, and thank you very much Robert McClenon, in short: you're right. But also finally argued from my side: as 'personally attacked' i do not interprete a DR in fact, that's okay, but 'the way' and 'tone' of the imho more sublimate assumption, seen by me as 'assumptions' are irratating and frustrating me. and second, i did argue, add imho helpfull references, completely ignored before and thereafter. And, from my side as imho 'experienced Wikimedia', a comment [quotation]... list their student films on IMDb and create autobios there, so that's not an indicator of notability...[quotation end] is no serious statement by a sysop, as i noticed thereafter, having much less Wikimedia in general and article-related contributions then the author of that wiki ... A seriously DR is absolutely ok and agreed from my side, but from the beginning, and not by that way User:CorbieVreccan started and proceeded in the the article talk, notabene also started by me and not by User:CorbieVreccan. Kindly regards, Roland zh (talk) 03:45, 20 November 2014 (UTC) [edit ~03:59, 20 November 2014 (UTC)]