Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 November 20

= November 20 =

Pending changes question
When you get an edit marked as reviewed on a page with pending changes protection, do you get a notification about it? -Fim atic  (talk &#124; contribs) 03:53, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Fimatic, no you are not notified. You can see what notifications you get by going to the "preferences" button at the top of the page, and going to the section "notifications". More info on notifications can be found at H:PN. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 09:17, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Next step with a disagreement on merging articles
I have contributed to an article, Sentinels of the Multiverse. Late last month the article was nominated for deletion and, after a brief discussion, the decision was taken to merge this with the article for the videogame version of the game.

I don't agree with the decision, as no effort was made to discuss the issues with the article on the talk page before nominating it for deletion, the time allowed for discussion was rather short (the entire process appears to have taken under a week), and the decision hinged on a lack of mention by critics despite links to these already being in the article (not to mention a lack of consensus. I've brought this up on the talk page for what will be the post-merge page, as the RFD stated should be done, but in several weeks there has been no followup on this; no response from any users (involved in the RFD or not), no work done to proceed with the merger.

What is my next step here? I haven't been able to find what the process is for this. Aawood (talk) 12:47, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Your next step would be to merge the content per the consensus generated by the standard Articles for deletion/Sentinels of the Multiverse or find a lot more coverage specifically about the board game to demonstrate that the AfD consensus was generated based on a lack of knowledge about the sources and coverage available. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  13:13, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the response. I may not have been clear; I feel that the coverage the discussion claimed was lacking was already in the article. The discussion hinged on the videogame article having critic reviews, and the boardgame article not containing them, but the board game article does in fact have this included. To put it another way, you've said one of my options is to find coverage to demonstrate the consensus was based on a lack of knowledge; if/when I have that kind of information, what would I do with it? Aawood (talk) 13:19, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, you could go to deletion review to request review of the conclusion to Merge, but DRV is generally only applicable after a deletion discussion if you disagree with the closer's judgment, and it appears that the close did reflect consensus, so that probably is not the next step. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:50, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Adding new articles
I want to add a new article, but I can't remember how to start. I am a logged-in user and have made a number of contributions. Please remind me how to get going.

Claude Conyers

Claudeconyers (talk) 15:57, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * See if Your first article helps. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  16:02, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

enlisted warfare designations
Is there any way to add FMTB- Field readiness medical badge and NWS- Nuclear warfare specialist to your list. Also SW and EXW have supply corp attached to insignia's. SW also has medical corp and service attached too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.160.81.186 (talk) 15:58, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * What article? The Field Readiness Medical Badge is for the United States Public Health Service; Nuclear Warfare Specialist is not a badge as far as I can tell. --  Gadget850talk 16:48, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

request to change Geoff Thomas's Photo
Hello,

I work for the charity Cure Leukaemia and we are currently working with former England and Crystal Palace midfielder Geoff Thomas.

Geoff has asked me to change the photo on his Wikipedia page and I'm hoping you can help me do this.

He would like a photo of him on a bike as he is doing two big cycle rides in 2015.

Can you help me change his image?

Thanks,

Bobby — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobby334 (talk • contribs)
 * see Donating copyrighted materials. But note that while materials may be donated, that does not guarantee that the materials will be used. Also please read and follow our conflict of interest policies -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  16:24, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Need some help, not computer friendly person here, ty
Would like this posted to my page:

Al Spath (it might say pokerinstructors) I goofed it up

Al Spath is the former Dean at Poker School Online, currently a poker coach and author (Ante-Up Magazine), his book: "The Poker Journal," and conducts online webinars with Donna Blevins (Poker Mindset Coach).

Al was born in Mt. Vernon, NY and retired as a CMSgt in the USAF, Senior Enlisted Advisor, Combat Camera. He also retired from the San Bernardino County Superintendent of Schools Office (as Purchasing Manager) and then held the position of Dean at the online poker school mentioned above. Al teaches poker online and live (privately and in group formats), and continues to assist poker publishers (reviewing new books).

Al posts as "Al Spath Pokerinstructors" on Facebook and on the "Poker Training Material" page he created and administers to. Al Spath Pokerinstructor (talk) 16:26, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not an advertising platform. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  16:50, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Yodel (company)
Reference help requested.

Thanks, YodelNews (talk) 17:09, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The sources listed are now all in use and the warning message is no longer flagging. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  17:49, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

How to search for an article
Let's say that I wanted to search for the following Wikipedia article: Ə. Or something of a similar nature (i.e., a character that is not found on the keyboard). What exactly would a person type into the search box, if they wanted to search for that article, Ə? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:15, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * See Alt code for how to type many characters that are not on the keyboard.
 * If you can find the character somewhere else, such as on a web page, in a text form that can be copied, you can copy-and-paste it.
 * In some cases you can get to the page without using the funny characters, if you can think of something that might redirect to it. The page you mentioned has these redirects, for example. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  17:33, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * You can also type "& # 3 9 9 ;" without blanks between the characters (when you know the numeric code) to produce the desired character. Typing the string in the searchbox actually searches for Ə. See this page for a listing and some more info. Not the most convenient method, obviously. GermanJoe (talk) 17:45, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * You can also search via the categories such as Category:Phonetic transcription symbols or via an index article like Letterlike Symbols. (again, helpful if you know that they exist, but not helpful for the average n00b user.) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  17:52, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:06, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Saved Page Draft
Hello.

I made a lot edits to our Lipman Hearne Wikipedia page, but can't find the draft I edited. How do I find it and submit it for posting?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by RmeltonLH (talk • contribs) 18:18, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * if you didnt save it, which it does not look like you did, it may be available in your browser if you back arrow and have not closed the browser. otherwise it is gone. Let me also state that if the LH at the end of your user name indicates that you are part of Lipman Hearne,  the loss is a good thing. You should not directly edit articles for which you have a conflict of interest. Bring your sources  to the article talk page and make a suggestion for an uninvolved editor to review the sources and add what content they field is appropriate. --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  18:32, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Lost: uploaded photo to be inserted in article.
I tried to upload a photo of John C. Raven into the article about him. Opened edit and followed wizard and got a message saying photo uploaded with filename John C. Raven.jpg. I can't find it, let alone insert it into the article. Although not your problem the Google entry says he is 102 years old and displays a photo of someone else. I have several times tried to correct it without success. Any suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quester67 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 20 November 2014‎


 * The image is available. The filename is File:John C. Raven.jpg.  One question, who took the picture?  -- GB fan 18:57, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The question about who took the picture is important, because the picture is assumed to be under copyright, and Wikipedia cannot use the picture unless the copyright has been released either under a Creative Commons license (a copyleft) or into the public domain. If you want the picture displayed, the photographer will have to release the photograph under Creative Commons.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * OK. I found the image. But I still can't find out how to get it into the page in the proper place. The photo was taken by a family friend. Must have been around 1960. Will check for further info tomorrow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quester67 (talk • contribs) 20:34, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * That would make the family friend the owner of the image and they would be the one that holds the license (not a physical license but they have the legal say over what happens to the image). If they would like to release it under a free license, they can do so still.  Please see Donating copyrighted materials for more how they can release some or all of the rights to the image and thus make it available for our uses here and elsewhere.  Dismas |(talk) 20:57, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Whoops. I have a print stating that it was printed by Kodak, London, 1960. I also have the negative. I would assume that it is out of copyright by now. I still have the camera whose case is shown in the pic! So could have been taken by my mother!Quester67 (talk) 10:28, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for noticing that the errors in the Google search result page are by Google and not Wikipedia. We get many complaints claiming there is an error in Wikipedia with no mention that the problem was actually seen at Google. Here is our standard reply:
 * Symbol move vote.svg Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong.
 * I have marked the age and photo as wrong but don't know how Google processes such reports. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:42, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Bundesrat of Germany
this change https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bundesrat_of_Germany&diff=next&oldid=634376956 crashed the infobox. dont no why. the new content is correct so i dont like to just rollback. --Wetterwolke (talk) 19:45, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * - That edit dropped a right brace for each of leader1 and leader2. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  20:00, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * thx --Wetterwolke (talk) 20:07, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Neutral draft
I need help to make this draft neutral as editors on talkpage are not in agreement in general. --TheSawTooth (talk) 20:10, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * You might look into WP:3O, after withdrawing your improper RfC. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  20:17, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * More than 3 people are on talkpage. Need editors to make it neutral. --TheSawTooth (talk) 20:24, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I read your comment on the talk page as primarily a content dispute between you and Nikthestunned. That is exactly what WP:3O is designed for, according to the first sentence on that page. WP:3O will get you one neutral editor, which should be sufficient to resolve the dispute. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  20:35, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The talk page is a real mess, because it contains, among other things, a draft of the article (and because it isn't easy to read the English of one of the editors). There isn't an RFC, so that evidently the malformed RFC was withdrawn as requested.  It is hard for me to figure out what the specific areas of disagreement are.  I would suggest that the two editors who disagree each state what they think the article should say, and then either ask for a third opinion (as suggested) or for a neutral editor to draft a good RFC.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:48, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I felt that this revision was a promotional rewrite as compared to this one. My reasons can be found in brief here and at length here.
 * The ERA have been editing this article since it was created, I guess as they didn't appreciate the weight of the "controversy" section. (Note, whois confirms that a few of these are indeed by the ERA). Unfortunately for them, they're notable pretty much only because of that event... I'd fully welcome some help here I have to say - I'd also accept being told I'm wrong and then I can just fade back to article-creation-obscurity...  Nik the  stunned  11:07, 21 November 2014 (UTC)