Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 November 4

= November 4 =

Use rationale
I have been building a stub article at Northern Lights (song), and I need a small amount of assistance to check my work on the use rationale for File:Renaissance Northern Lights.jpg. Could an administrator or patroller, please, check that the use rationale is correct, and complete the process? Once I know that I am following the correct procedure, I can replicate & adapt it to other files I have loaded. Thanking you in advance. CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 01:59, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me except that there are two non-free images on the page. Neither rationale explains why a second image is encyclopedically necessary. —teb728 t c 02:14, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your prompt reply. Yes, good point. The difference is not only the appearance; the 7" black vinyl release contains the single version (running time 3:29), and the picture disc has the album version (4:06). If I explain the differences in the text (I was going to anyway), provide a use rationale for the picture disc image, and include reasons why the second image is needed, would that be in line with the guidelines? CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 05:34, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I frankly find it hard to imagine any encyclopedic purpose for using the picture disc. Certainly if the purpose is only to illustrate the different running times, that could be expressed adequately in free text (as you say); so no use of a non-free image would be justified. —teb728 t c 09:53, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thankyou for your extremely 'frank' answer, —teb728. My work at Wikipedia is almost entirely in the music sphere, so this could come up again. Can I use the picture disc image as the only image at the top of the page, simply because it looks so much better? CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 17:29, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * CaesarsPalaceDude, I agree that the album cover does not look as nice, but I personally think it is a better visual identification of the song than the picture disc, which doesn't even include the title. The encyclopedic purpose of an infobox image is to visually identify the subject. —teb728 t c 17:38, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

teb728, thankyou so much for your valuable advice. I will take a day or so to carefully consider the changes that I will make to the article. CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 18:15, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

how can add my pics and contact details
Dear Officer,

How can add my pics and contact and our introduction on this site — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pvn1990 (talk • contribs) 07:05, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * First, there is no officer here, all Wikipedia editors are volunteers. Next you might be interested in reading Wikipedia policies about Notability (Self-promotion among them) and especially about Conflict of interest before you write a Wikipedia article about your company. Best regards. --CiaPan (talk) 07:51, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * See also FAQ/Organizations as mentioned on your talk page User talk:Pvn1990. --CiaPan (talk) 08:27, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

How to create a Wikipedia page
Hi, I would like to create a Wikipedia profile page for my boss. I have no solution to it. Could you please advise me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creon lim (talk • contribs) 07:59, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Begin by reading Conflict of interest. You are strongly discourage from writing about your boss.
 * Also Wikipedia is an encyclopedia: As such it doesn't have profiles but rather encyclopedic biographies of notable people written from a neutral point of view. —teb728 t c 09:36, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

possible image copyright violation
The image File:Residential.jpg can be found by Google Images in several places over Internet, and only one of them is responding:
 * http://www.afghan-web.com/gallery/maria_kabul-street.html

Could anybody check, please, if the image is legally copied to Wikipedia? --CiaPan (talk) 08:20, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi CiaPan, thanks for bringing this to attention. Both images date 2007. The website states an author, which Wikipedia does not. The Wikipedia uploader updates from third party sources and is most likely not the author. Without further information on the origin of the Wikipedia file, it must be assumed the website is correct, and that the file is not free. I suggest following WP:IUP step 1 and step 3. All the best, Taketa (talk) 08:53, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The Internet Archive shows it was already at http://www.afghan-web.com/gallery/maria_kabul-street.html 27 April 2007. It was uploaded here 26 November 2007. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:42, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Nominated this one for speedy deletion. In fact several more uploads from the same user need to be checked aswell. GermanJoe (talk) 16:01, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Shandon Sahm
Hi, I created an entry for Shandon Sahm yesterday -Shandon sahm - and would like to see how I can get the "s" in his last name capitalized, so it can be linked to other Wiki pages (such as the band he has been a longtime drummer for, the Meat Puppets). Thanks, Gregp22 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregp22 (talk • contribs) 11:58, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello, you can just move the page as fix for an uncontroversial spelling error to its new name. The "move" option is on top of the article, a bit hidden behind the "more" tag (next to the search field). More complex moves would be better requested - see WP:moving a page for more information. GermanJoe (talk) 12:32, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It appears that the original poster took the advice to perform the uncontroversial page move. By the way, the article has been nominated for deletion  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:26, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Print ISSN vs electronic (online) ISSN
Some scientific journals have 2 distinct ISSNs: print and electronic (online). Journal citation template allows only a single ISSN value (issn= value: "Only one ISSN is allowed in this field because the whole issn value is included in the citation's COinS metadata.").

Which one should I include when citing? Or is there a way to include both p-ISSN and e-ISSN? As an example, Natural killer cell contains two ISSNs: p-ISSN: 0022-1007; e-ISSN: 1540-9538. Kazkaskazkasako (talk) 15:36, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * You cite the source that you have actually read - if you read it on paper, you cite the print version, if you read it on a computer, you cite the online edition. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:18, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * And if you read both, then include both as two separate citations. --  Gadget850talk 16:31, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

My Wikipedia Home Page Does not Show Current Information
Hello Friends,

My Wikipedia home page no longer shows the current information for "From today's featured article" or "In the news". I use Windows 7 and IE. When I use Mozilla's Firefox, I have no problems whatsoever. For example, my current IE/Windows home page show only "Resurrectionists" under "From today's featured article", and the the overthrow of the former president of Burkina Faso under "In the news". Hitting "Refresh" works to bring both of them current.

I have tried clearing the cache, as recommended elsewhere. It did not work. What else can you suggest to me? I suppose this is not a big problem, but I don't like these sorts of computer glitches as I fear they may indicate a more serious issue.

Thanks for your help.

Happy Paul — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.240.242 (talk) 16:05, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Does above help? --ukexpat (talk) 16:36, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I, also, have been experiencing problems with Windows 7/IE. In my case, IE doesn't show the "play" bar for music samples, making it difficult to play such samples. There is no problem when I use Google Chrome. I humbly suggest there isn't "a more serious issue". CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 17:46, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * If it works to hit Refresh but you don't want to keep doing that then maybe you should change cache settings in Internet Explorer. See for example http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/manage-temporary-internet-files/. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:05, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

unable to access my account
I clicked on the link to reset my password because I forgot it but I haven't received an email yet. It's been almost an hour, I've received other emails and I check junk, etc... Any help would be great. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2EA9:5E00:D57B:6C76:7F7D:FF8C (talk) 16:29, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Can you check spam folders in both your own email software and the website of the mail provider? Do you have another email address which might be stored in the account? For privacy reasons Special:PasswordReset does not reveal whether an entered email address is correct. If you are certain of the username then only enter that. Leaving the email field blank should also tell you whether an email address is stored at all. If you tell the username then we can also check whether the account has stored an email address, but we cannot see what the address is. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:45, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

How will I know that Wikipedia has approved my article?
Dear To Whom It May Concern,

Yesterday I posted a Wikipedia article and I was wondering how I will be notified that the article is approved by Wikipedia?

The link to the article is below: Draft:Oasis Technology's Titan

Also once the article is approved will it show up in the search bar on the Wikipedia website and a Google search?

If it would be possible to let me know I'd gladly appreciate it.

Sincerely, Michelle Mmocalis (talk) 17:20, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You will know by going back to your draft and looking at it. If it is disapproved it will give a reason why.  If it is approved it will be moved to the mainspace.  After it is moved it will show up in the Wikipedia search.  When it shows up in a google search is all up to google.  GB fan 17:32, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * After looking at the draft article I need to expand on my answer. It won't be approved at all because it has not been submitted for review.  Also in its current state it will not be approved because the only reference is to the company website.  You need to provide sources that are independent of the company.  GB fan 17:35, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * (ec) Hello, . You have created a draft, but you haven't asked for a review. When it is ready to do so, you can request a review by inserting {{subst:submit}} at the top of the article. However, it is nowhere near ready, because it contains no inline references, and therefore does nothing to show that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria of notability. To show that, you will need to find several reliable sources, independent of the subject (such as major newspapers, or websites with a reputation for fact-checking) which have written at length about the subject. Having found these, you then need to reference specific information in the draft article to those sources, using the methods described in referencing for beginners. My guess is that the product will not meet the requirement of notability, and so may not have an article in Wikipedia. It is possible that the company may do so. One final thing: if you are in any way associated with Oasis Technology, you should read conflict of interest before you do anything else on the article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:38, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * But you haven't yet submitted it for review. I've added a template to the draft which includes a submission button.  There is, however, no point in submitting it at the moment because you have no references to published reliable sources independent of the subject to show that it meets Wikipedia's criteria of notability.  You user talk page includes a good number of useful links including WP:Your first article.  You need to read the relevant links from this message & from your user talk page before you try to submit your draft for review.  If you haven't changed your default settings, you should see your draft in your watchlist, so you'll be able to see there whether any changes have been made.  Normally when anyone reviews your draft they will put a message on your user talk page, but you shouldn't rely on that.  --David Biddulph (talk) 17:43, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Unable to log-in
Dear,Sir I am unable to log-in with my name "Zitoun"!. This was the name I usually log-in with, this time Ican not acess my e.mail or any thing else. could you help.

Please activate my Lap-Top as soon as you can With " Zitoun" Yours Sincerely Abdelhamid Zitoun — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.255.115.122 (talk) 18:50, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a e-mail host. Also, I can not find evidence that you have ever been a Wikipedia editor. Give us the 'last' part of you email address (ie. After @xxx.com or something like that). It may be that your laptop hase been hacked or your Internet Service Provider (ISP)  has fallen down on the job. Also, to what service are you trying to log into and for what reason?--Aspro (talk) 21:17, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Looks like User:Zitoun.--ukexpat (talk) 21:29, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Not quite sure if I'm allowed to say anything right here, delete it if I'm not. I just wanted to say that I'm User:Zitoun (from St Etienne, France) and I'm not Abdelhamid. User:Zitoun 18:43, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

revision history statistics
the "revision history statistics" link is down.thank you--65.8.187.151 (talk) 20:07, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * try asking at WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:07, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

red link category
At Boulder Bridge and Ross Drive Bridge there's this nonexistent category: Category:Historic district contributing properties in United States District of Columbia street (the correct category is already present on the article: Category:Historic district contributing properties in Washington, D.C.) When I try to edit the article, the category isn't there. How do I get rid of it? APK whisper in my ear  21:09, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * There are five pages in that category. Let me look at it. --  Gadget850talk 21:11, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * , see this edit. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  21:23, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * United States District of Columbia street creates the category; see Infobox NRHP. --  Gadget850talk 21:24, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Clearly it's a problem that needs fixing in all five articles (and created in all five by the same IP in 2012), as the category name doesn't even make any sense. What fix would you suggest? Simply reverting those five edits? &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  22:03, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * By changing the 'locmapin' parameter in the infobox I have eliminated the redlink category. What are the other four articles?  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:09, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * You can see them by clicking on the redlink above. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  23:13, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

✅ - Remaining edits (which appear to have been vandalism) have been reverted. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:21, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you. APK whisper in my ear  23:24, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

I note that the fix to locmapin changed the type of map displayed in the infobox, from a street map to a map without streets. So it wasn't vandalism, but rather a desire to show a street map, ignorant of the autocategorization effect. Of course one can easily get a street map showing the feature via the coordinates, assuming they are correct, so the infobox street map doesn't add much. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  23:36, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

User book
Hello, sorry if this is something stupid but I haven't been able to solve it. I opened an account and was adding wiki pages to my book so as to have quick acces later, however I noticed the add page to your book button sometimes pops and sometimes it doesn't. Is is that some pages just cannot be added or what?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Southwakefield (talk • contribs) 21:36, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This edit to this Help Desk is the only edit that you have made from this account. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:58, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The question is about the Books feature which does not require making edits so Robert's post does not appear relevant. I think the button should always be there. Does it miss consistently for the same pages or does it vary? Please give an example page. Does it help to reload the page in your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:25, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * AFAIK only autoconfirmed editors can actually save a book. I may be remembering wrong but this issue has come up before and that's what I remember. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:24, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * It was once restricted to autoconfirmed users but the bottom of Special:ListGroupRights shows that all registered users can save books in their own userspace now. User access levels may be easier to read but relies on manual updating so the special page is more reliable. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:16, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Vandalized school article
article: River School

Hello there, I have just joined Wikipedia as a member as I wanted to try and correct some errors on the page that relates to my school. The page for my school has been tampered with, I suspect by a past student who thinks this is a good joke, and there are rather a lot of incorrect and verging on the inappropriate facts now on the page. I am a teacher at the school and also the daughter of the founder of the school, and I would like to know who to contact or how I can alter the facts to make them relevant, accurate and appropriate again. The school is The River School in Worcester, UK and I seem to be unable to even request that the page is edited! Please advise me on the next appropriate step to making the information correct again, as I suspect there may well be those who could potentially find some of the alterations offensive or distasteful, even though I am sure they were intended as a joke! Thank you for you help in this matter. SnoopydyDY — Preceding unsigned comment added by SnoopdyDY (talk • contribs) 23:01, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Black Kite reverted the article to the last version prior to the vandalism. You are currently unable to edit the article because the article was semi-protected against vandalism and you have a new account.  Once your account is autoconfirmed, you will be able to edit semi-protected pages.  If you still have any issues with the article, you can discuss them on the article talk page, Talk: River School (which will also bring up your edit count).  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:14, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Although once your article account is autoconfirmed you will be able to edit the page, you ought to read Wikipedia's guidance on conflict of interest. Removal of blatant vandalism is something for which you ought not to be criticised, regardless of COI. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:24, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Minor correction done by CiaPan (talk) 12:58, 5 November 2014 (UTC)