Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 October 5

= October 5 =

Logo problem emanating from polish wikipedia
I would like to fix incorrect information that is coming from wikipedia about my company The US company is www.cryonics.org When the search engine Google and others finds my companies logo it extracts it from the polish version of wikipedia. It is therefore using an old defunct logo and not the current one for the "Cryonics Institute" I can't change it because its all in polish and I am unfamiliar with wikipedia. This can be verified by anyone who checks my the companies web site. www.cryonics.org. How do I fix this so the correct logo comes up in searches? How do I fix and update the polish website if I don't even speak the language? I have had my tech dept fix the English version. Why cant we fix the polish version to match it? Any help would be appreciated thanks CI President — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.54.131.135 (talk) 04:15, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * This is the help desk for English-language Wikipedia. I can think of two ways to change what logo is shown on Polish-language Wikipedia:
 * Upload your logo to Wikimedia Commons. It would then be a fairly simple matter, which I could do myself even though I can read no Polish, to edit the Polish article to use the correct logo. However this would require you to relinquish your copyright in the logo, which you may not be willing to do.
 * Obtain the help of someone who can read Polish, and have them upload the image to Polish Wikipedia (while observing whatever copyright rules apply there), and then edit the Polish article. Maproom (talk) 08:20, 5 October 2014 (UTC)


 * The Polish article pl:Cryonics Institute actually uses commons:File:Cryonics Institute Logo.jpg which is already at Commons. According to the page history it was uploaded by Ben Best, president of the Cryonics Institute at the time, and he permitted a free license. If you will you release the current logo with the same license then the file can be overwritten. This will automatically update the image in several Wikipedia languages using it, not just Polish. It may take some time before Google detects the image has been replaced. We don't control when that happens, and don't know whether they will display the updated version or find a file in another place. See Template:HD/GKG and note you can mark the image as wrong at Google, but we cannot say how they will react. The English article displays File:2014 Cryonics Institute Logo - 240 pixels.jpg which was uploaded at the English Wikipedia as a non-free logo. Commons doesn't allow that so if it remains non-free then the file would have to be uploaded to each language where it is used, assuming the language allows non-free logos. According to meta:Non-free content, the Polish Wikipedia does not. If they have to choose between no logo and an old logo with a free license, it is possible they prefer the old logo but I don't know Polish or their practices. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:25, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Please do not include links or templates in subheadings
Dear editors: After hundreds of posts on WikProject talk pages, I finally noticed the above text, which appears to be a standard message. I have frequently used a link to a page about which I want to leave a notice as the section heading. No one has ever called me on it. Does this cause a problem of some kind? It's much quicker than thinking up some other section title and creating a link later in the message. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 05:03, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Anne Delong, you can add links without problems. That text was added to Template:Talk header last July I see . I do not believe this change is supported by discussion. Since it is admin only I cannot edit the page. I have posted a question at Template talk:Talk header. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 05:16, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * There shouldnt be links in article page subject headers, but for talk project pages its perfectly fine and in fact on pages like WP:RPP templated section headers are standard. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  13:13, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Please see comments in the discussion started elsewhere, by Taketa, explaining how links and templates in headings make discussions inaccessible in our official mobile app. I suggest that discussion should continue there; it is unhelpful to split it  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:19, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Translation
Does Wikipedia have an informal translation service for Wikipedia editors? Editors are having trouble with sources and need an Arabic-speaker who can translate one particular source in Arabic which it seems could support an important edit that has been much discussed. No suitable citations in English can be traced to back up the edit. This particular Arabic source does not have a Google translate facility, which is unusual and while it has been translated by one editor, his translation will obviously need independent corroboration. --P123ct1 (talk) 10:42, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi P123ct1, you can find translators Arabic-English at Translators available. You can approach individual editors and you can check their contributions to see if people are active. Most recently active is User:MezzoMezzo. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 11:16, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Taketa. --P123ct1 (talk) 16:10, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Deleting a redirect with several revisions in its history
Dear editors: I would like to replace the redirect Intel Capital with an AfC submission about this company, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Intel Capital. (The Intel article is overly long and has been tagged for break-up.) The redirect has a number of revisions, in which various categories have been added or removed. I have three questions: (1) Is it normal to add categories to a redirect?, (2) Is it okay to delete this redirect? and (3) If so, should I add the same categories to the new page? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 14:08, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) There are some categories that are designed to go on redirects, such as Category:Redirects from alternative names (populated by R from alternative name). It's pretty unusual to place categories designed for an article on a redirect, although in a case where the redirect is something that could be worthy of an article, I can see how it could make sense.
 * 2) The redirect itself is useful; it should probably be left in place until/unless it can be expanded into an article. You could just replace the redirect with the article once it's ready. (An administrator can do a history merge that preserves both the old and new history; this is required if you're using both the old and new history to build the new article.)
 * 3) If the categories accurately describe the subject, then those categories should be placed on the page because they accurately describe the subject. (The existing history of the page doesn't really matter, although in this case, it seems to be useful in that it's pointing out appropriate categories for an article at that name.) --ais523 14:34, 5 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, a history merge won't work here, since the two pages have overlapping history, and besides there is no content in the history of the redirect, so the simplest thing seems to be to make note of the categories, move the draft over the redirect, and then re-add the categories. I will do this.  Thanks.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 22:26, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Major Kurt Chew Een Lee
Simply put, the Marine Corps records and various sites available on the subject of the "first Minority" to be commissioned an Officer in the Marine Corps, are pretty much straight forward. In 1943, Dec. Wilbur Carl Sze [Chinese/American] was Commissioned an Officer. In 1945, Nov. Frederick C. Branch [African/American] was Commissioned an Officer. In 1946, Major Kurt Chew Een Lee [Chinese/American was Commissioned an Officer. While categories such as "Regular-Marine", " Drafted-Marine" and " Reserve-Marine" are important, I'm not clear how The "First" Title should apply when attempting to answer the question of " Who was the First". Additionally, it should be noted in his "Bio", Major Lee's Final Services and Memorial was held at Arlington National Cemetery Sept.30th 2014 at 11:00 AM, of which I attended. Personally to avoid confusion,for the 2nd and 3rd such designations it would be fair to say " was one of the first three "minorities" to be Commissioned. Then categories such as "First Asian/American"....."First Chinese/American"......"First African/American" may be applied respectively. I think though it is disingenuous to leave duplicate claims for the same designation. For example: Outright Statements like "First Non-White" applied to Major Kurt Lee is clearly FALSE. " First Asian-American" is clearly False as well, applied to Major Lee. " First Chinese-American" is also False, when applied to Major Lee, given the above listed names and dates of Commissions. Then of course there is the Application of the Title who was the first "Ever" Minority to be Commissioned an Officer in the Marine Corps ? I think obviously given the Data available it must be assigned to Wilbur Carl Sze. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.109.122 (talk) 14:08, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Were there never any Native Americans commissioned an Officer in the USMC prior to 1943? -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  14:59, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

CONCERNING THE TERM MACEDONIA (FORMER YUGOSLAV REPUBLIC or VARDRSKA AS PART OF PRE WWII SERBIA)
Hello, concerning the name of Macedonia (FYROM) and Macedonia (Region of Greece since 1913 and historic ancient kingdom of the Greek a.k.a. Hellenistic Era Kingdom).

Having in mind that the U.S have recognized the Former Yugoslav Republic Of M. with its constitutional name, but Greece cannot accept this name for many reasons, I believe that Wikipedia should at least had have both names (I mean also the term FYROM)in the name of this state. The purely nationalist claims of this state against the Hellenic Republic and Bulgaria are evident in the relationships, especially versus the Greek side, since 1992.

This area (FYROM) is Macedonia only in the ancient geographical term of the name, as is most of Greece, Turkey, Egypt, Palestine, Persia, and Afghanistan!

I explain, this is because that was the expansion after the Hellenistic Era wars against the Persian Empire and after the Persian defeat during the  death of Alexander II king of Macedonia and patron of the Hellenic Commonwealth-minus Sparta.

The term Commonwealth is historically found in many ancient artifacts translated in English "ALEXANDER KING OF MACEDONIA, PATRON OF GREECE, ASIA MINOR AND ALL GREEKS MINUS THE SPARTANS TO ANENGE THE PERSIAN INVASION". Therefore, Alexander spoke Greek (Doric type dialect) worshiped the traditional Greek Gods Pantheon and had pure classical Greek education...just as any statesman in ancient Athens, Sparta, Great Hellas (Southern Italy) or any other area that the locals concerned themselves as Greeks!

Yes, Skopje, the capital city of FYROM was a Byzantine fort in the 8th-9th century A.D. and about then, the Slavic peoples moved southern to this area. The alphabet that they use as "Macedonian" is about 85% the same with the Serbian and 95% same as the Bulgarian alphabet, two pure Slavic languages, inspired by the Greek but as inspired by the Greek is also the Latin / Modern European alphabet(s).

This does not make the residents of this state "Macedonians" to any Greek, simply because...they are not Greeks but of Slavic origins! Keep in mind also that this area was part of the Kingdom of Serbia and then of Yugoslavia since 1941, the time of the German/NAZI invasion of the area. I haven't found any map of that era that has the name MACEDONIA in this area. Yet the official Serbian maps that I have found on the Internet scribe "VARDARSKA" in this former Serbian/Yugoslavian geographical part. This until 1942!!!! Since when did the term "Republic of Macedonia" is valid? Is valid during the Tito regime rise to power after WWII, purely because of the cold war politics in the Balkan area!!!

These are a few hinds and ideas that Wikipedia in my opinion, should take in mind.

Thank you.

Athanasios Giotis, Athens, October 5 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.167.52.134 (talk) 15:34, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * this is the help desk about how to use and edit Wikipedia. Content discussions need to take place on the article talk page and be based upon policies such as verification and representing the major academic voices as represented in published sources with a reputation for accuracy, fact checking and editorial oversight not our opinions or claims of general public opinion. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  17:54, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * See Macedonia naming dispute. --  Gadget850talk 18:43, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * If you refer to the name of the article Republic of Macedonia then note that Talk:Republic of Macedonia displays the below box. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:49, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

ref tags
when editing on Dalit leaders name in Andhra Pradesh, I want to include Ealy Vadapalli - name, but it says error. need help

Ealy Vadapalli — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ealy rao (talk • contribs) 16:27, 5 October 2014‎ (UTC)


 * Article: Dalit literature


 * I have reverted your last edit to correct the error. You are somehow creating extra tags, which is causing the errors.


 * If you can describe what you are trying to do in more detail, perhaps we can help you do it. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss (talk) 17:47, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Category:Television shows set in Queensland by city
Hi, can you delete this category? I made it recently but later find it is unnecessary. Sorry.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 18:09, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Done by RHaworth, Taketa (talk) 22:37, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Using wikidata coordinates
Is there a way to automatically include geocoordinates from wikidata? Specifically I am interested in this article and its corresponding wikidata page. bamse (talk) 23:12, 5 October 2014 (UTC)


 * The Wikidata coordinates can be pulled with  but that will merely display the coordinates with no link. The documentation for Coord claims "You can get coordiantes (sic) from Wikidata by having an transclusion to this template with no numbered arguments." However, it produces an error message in my tests on both this and other articles. Unfortunately it appears from Module talk:Coordinates that the Wikidata property is not currently compatible with the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:45, 5 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I've noticed that has, for a while, been automatically inserting into articles coord templates with cooordinates taken from Wikidata. I don't know how the bot is identifying articles that (1) lack coordinates and (2) correspond to Wikidata entries that include coordinates, but you might try asking User:The Anome. I've also noticed that some of the coordinates on Wikidata are not very precise (which is important in the case of individual buildings, etc.), and some are just plain incorrect. Deor (talk) 11:34, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi -- yes, that's a deliberate attempt to start the process of merging Wikidata coordinates into the coord ecosystem. I get the data by cross-referencing coordinates in Wikidata JSON dumps (see ) with articles listed in Category:All articles needing coordinates, with an extra safety check for valid coordinate templates and/or live web links to geohack being performed by the bot at run-time just before the moment of editing. At the moment, I'm just copying the data from the Wikidata entry into the template. The longer-term aim is that the template should eventually start pulling the data in directly from Wikidata if "source:wikidata" is specified, but there are lots of other issues that need to be resolved first before we can start doing this without breaking things in the rest of the coordinates ecosystem. At least this way, we have a coord template present where one was missing before, and errors in it can be corrected as needed, and hopefully eventually re-imported to Wikidata. -- The Anome (talk) 12:56, 6 October 2014 (UTC)