Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 October 9

= October 9 =

OTRS editors
I am getting no explanation at Wikipedia_talk:Volunteer_Response_Team. Does anyone know any OTRS editors?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:54, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi TonyTheTiger, I will have a look at it. Please post any future requests on the OTRS noticeboard for a faster reply. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 06:53, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The file has been restored. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 07:10, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your assistance.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:29, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Formatting challenge
Anyone know of a way to get rid of the ugly white space at 2010 Copiapó mining accident without affecting users of screen readers? I assume it's impossible... Brycehughes (talk) 05:59, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * There are a couple of ways it could be done, but I don't use a screen reader so I've no idea how it would affect such users. You can remove the  template before the timeline graphic (which will display the timeline and the TOC side by side with the infobox to the right). You can remove this template and also add the timeline to the infobox, which will show both infobox and timeline on the right, with some whitespace after the TOC. Or you can knock out the second   after the forced TOC template, which will run the first section of text up between the TOC and the infobox. None of these is a particularly pretty solution... Yunshui 雲 水  10:52, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * You might consider just deleting the graphical timeline, which has real problems anyway—notably crashing of text, as well as a date for the honoring of the rescued miners at the presidential palace that conflicts with the date given in the "Timeline of events" section of the article's text. Arguably, the existence of that section makes the use of the graphical timeline otiose. Deor (talk) 11:12, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The timeline box was discussed twice in 2010, here and here. Given that history, I don't think it should be removed without at least an attempt to discuss it. There are 133 watchers. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss (talk) 11:37, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


 * The formatting of that page is hideous, even without a screen reader. There has to be a better way of displaying the timeline, if it has to be there, without the acres of white space.--ukexpat (talk) 12:27, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks all. Looks like a talk page discussion it is. What is the best way to permalink to this conversation? Brycehughes (talk) 15:11, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The URL https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&oldid=629034659#Formatting_challenge should do it.

confirm email address
Set up an account today. Got email asking me to confirm my email address. The URL brought up error 404, page not found. How do I confirm my email?? Thanks, Sobranie Arrival — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.169.243.164 (talk • contribs) 08:15, 9 October 2014‎ (UTC)

Allied Irish Banks
HI, I am researching Allied Irish bank and found this page from you. Allied Irish Banks. The first half of the top paragraph is not appropriate way to start a wikipedia page. I am not saying the information should be removed, just moved to the "controversy" section. I am not happy to make the change and ask kindly if you could arrange it. Thank you so much. Carol Herring — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.212.29.88 (talk) 05:36, 9 October 2014‎ (UTC)


 * I have reverted inappropriate edits made on 8 October and I will monitor the page for awhile. Thank you. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss (talk) 10:52, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Nessa Childers wikepedia page
Hi there

Can you advise on how I can improve the early life section of Nessa Childers' page - Nessa Childers

the comment on top says this section needs references, yet her early life is verified in her father and mother's family page?

Cheers - — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.83.249.79 (talk • contribs) 10:50, 9 October 2014‎ (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a reliable source and so claims of events verified in other articles are meaningless. To fix the issue, provide inline citations to reliably published sources in the Nessa Childers article itself. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:18, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Use of Wicipedia by the blind
Why not an audio option? [Now where (below) do I click to SEND this message to you?] --jl — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:0:b380:9e:8173:838:b4ff:3d0 (talk • contribs) 14:22, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does support screen readers, but you may also be interested in WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia, an effort to render Wikipedia article in audio format. Articles that have been converted to speech are listed at Spoken articles. There is also a service called Pediaphon which uses a text-to-speech reader to create MP3 files from articles. Yunshui 雲 水 14:25, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, since it's harder to "update" an audio file, many of the audio files that contain readings of the articles are very outdated. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 18:30, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


 * WP:WikiProject Accessibility might have some additional information about alternative ways to access Wikipedia content. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:45, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

German - English translation
I haven't used Wikipedia for some time but back in the 2005 timeframe I worked for a German company. Back then I had a very convenient and easy to use Wikipedia page I could go to for German to English (or vice versa)word translations. I'm not seeking to upload a ten page document to be translated - just word and phrase translations that's all. I cannot find anything like this on Wikipedia anymore. Can anyone help me with this?

Dave173.160.70.182 (talk) 15:15, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Dave, you can probably get the quickest reply if you contact one of our volunteer translators. You can find a list at WP:Translators available. The most active people are highlighted. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 15:21, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


 * If you mean an automatic translation then Wikipedia has never had such a feature as far as I know. It was probably something in the browser or operating system of the used computer. Google Translate is popular and can be integrated in some browsers. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:46, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Equazcion/SidebarTranslate adds Google translate links to the language in the sidebar. --  Gadget850talk 17:41, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Stop harassment and vandalism by rogue editors and bots
Administrative intervention requested against NinjaRobotPirate. NinjaRobotPirate keeps erasing our Wikipedia page Albert Magnoli. There is no copyright violation on our page. Everything is legit and stems from first-hand.source. Please help stop the vandalism and harassment by rogue Wikipedia editors. Thank you. Signed: 4seasons777 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4seasons777 (talk • contribs) 18:57, 9 October 2014‎ (UTC)


 * You are violating copyright and you are edit-warring. Continuation of either is liable to get you blocked from editing. Please read the warnings and the links provided, and take the necessary steps. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:09, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


 * The phrase "on our page" used by 4seasons777 raises red flags. 4seasons777 should read WP:COI and WP:OWN. Jc3s5h (talk) 19:45, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I have attempted to explain our policies, but it seems as though I have failed. I will try to be more blunt: you are copying content from the IMDb, and you are not allowed to do this.  If you continue to do this, you will lose access to Wikipedia.  Even if you were the one who wrote the content originally, there are other issues involved.  Beyond any copyright problems, it is completely unsourced.  You must locate citations to a reliable source, such as Variety or The Hollywood Reporter, that back up the statements that you wish to add to Wikipedia.  If you are professionally or personally involved with the subject of the article, you should consider posting to the talk page instead of directly editing the article, and an editor without a conflict of interest will make the requested edits for you. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:35, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

How do I alert Wiki to apparent NPOV violations & begin the process of getting a non-NPOV banner posted?
I'm sorry if I missed it, but I spent a solid 45' going thru many pages of material in the tutorials about NPOV issues, but was unable to discern precisely how to alert Wiki to a possible NPOV violation for the purpose of posting a non-NPOV banner.

I understand it is impossible to maintain Wiki's generally high standard of NPOV compliance on all of its millions of articles, but it is perhaps not impossible to at least alert the casual reader to the fact that many articles may be violating its NPOV policy. Few of us have the time to correct every citation error or unwarranted inference in every article, but we can at least ensure that most such wayward articles are at least adorned with the non-NPOV banner: “The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved.”

I'm hoping it is not too difficult to get the non-NPOV banner posted to any given article, even if only for a short period of time. If the problems are fixed, or if the authors can adequately defend their NPOV compliance, then take the banner down. If not, leave it up until someone has the time to fix or rewrite the article.

So, my questions are, "Who decides that a non-NPOV banner should be posted, and how does such a person (or persons) generally make this decision?"

Thank you. Edward Carr Franks, PhD 19:51, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Template:POV should go a long way toward answering your questions, but feel free to continue here after reading it. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss (talk) 20:16, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thank you, I'll give it a close read. Edward Carr Franks, PhD 20:57, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/National Identities
Dear editors: Can anyone suggest which WikiProject might be the right one at which to report this AfC draft? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 22:35, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


 * WikiProject Academic Journals. Look for similar articles in the categories linked at the bottom. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:18, 10 October 2014 (UTC)