Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 September 3

= September 3 =

Fixing copyright issue
India Against Corruption has been completely blanked because of a "copyright" issue. In reality the only thing that is cited as copyright problematic is part of the first paragraph in this one section.

Based on the history of disruption of the page (there is a claim by a specific segment of the IAC movement that "IAC" refers solely to them and has insisted that the article must only cover them as the sole focus of the article) and so the placement of the template blanking the the entire article based on issues with a tiny portion of the article seems like a continuation of their purely disruptive tactics.

As such, the disruption should not be allowed to so significantly affect the article, but I cannot understand the instructions Copyright_problems on how to address the issue so that the vast majority of the article which is not problematic can remain available to the readers.

Can anyone help explain the process?-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  07:21, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * As a first step, I have followed the instructions at Copyvio and arranged for only the offending paragraph to be blanked. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:35, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I couldnt figure out how to do that either! thanks! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  08:02, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

How do you remove incorrect cross-language links?
I wanted to remove the link from the English “Vaudeville” article to the French “Vaudeville” article, as their topic is not the same, despite the homonymy. Editing the links from the English article gave me the following warning: ''“The action you are about to take will remove a sitelink from this item. Sitelinks should only be removed if the page in question has been deleted, or if that link is being merged into another item. If you are trying to do neither of these, please do not submit this edit again.”'' Following that advice, I did not proceed with the edit.

However, I then tried the same on the French side, hoping the French-language warning would give me more information, but my edit was allowed without warning… The link from the French article to the English one has thus disappeared, which is what was intended, but, now, the English article doesn’t seem to have any cross-language links anymore, which was of course not intended—only the link to the French article should have been removed. I don’t know how to undo this, and I don’t understand what I did wrong. Can someone help fix this? And can someone tell me how I was supposed to handle this kind of case? Palpalpalpal (talk) 12:53, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello Pal. It seems you edited the actual Wikidata item which linked all the "Vaudeville" articles in different languages, rather than the French article itself. Before you change anything, please clarify whether the English article is different from all the others or is the French article different?  Green Giant  ( talk )  15:12, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I took a quick look and it seems that the French "vaudeville" is different from the others so I have removed the French article from Q17855889 and added the English article to that entry so that now the English article shows the interlanguage links, but the French does not.--ukexpat (talk) 15:20, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the fix to the English article. However, now, the links for all languages have disappeared from the French article. I can’t tell whether this is appropriate for languages that I can’t read at all, but, for instance, the German article should still be linked to from the French one, as it is about both the English meaning and the French meaning of vaudeville. Incidentally, through the German article, I discovered the existence of the English article “Comédie en vaudeville”, which corresponds to the French “Vaudeville” article. Thus the German article should link to both English articles, “Vaudeville” and “Comédie en vaudeville”. I fear this is not possible, am I wrong? Note that this is not the first time I encounter such a case, but I had no time to dig into it until now. Where can I find out more about that cross-language link system? Palpalpalpal (talk) 15:57, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * We cannot link the German article to both English articles. The German article should probably be split into two - one for each topic. I have added the French "vaudeville" to Q17084138 the Wikidata page for Comédie en vaudeville (and removed all the interlanguage links from that article) to fix the links between those two articles.--ukexpat (talk) 16:10, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Anybody knows where can I find documentation about that link system? Palpalpalpal (talk) 12:23, 4 September 2014 (UTC)


 * About Wikidata? See WP:Wikidata and Wikidata.--ukexpat (talk) 13:35, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages and transliterations
I have been trying to sort out disambiguation for an Armenian painter who is known in Western Armenian transliteration as Hagop Hagopian. There exist Western and Eastern Armenian languages and they transliterate differently owing to different pronunciation of the same written letters.

In wiki, a search for Hagop Hagopian takes you to Hagop Hagopian the SALA fighter.

I eventually saw that Hagop Hagopian the painter has an entry already as Hakob Hakobian, which is the Eastern Armenian transliteration, so I tried to include that link in the heading of the article for Hagob Hagopian the SALA fighter.

It this point I discovered there is already a disambiguation page for Hakob Hakobian, which does not include Hagop Hagopian the fighter.

My questions

1) Should there simply be a disambiguation page for Hagop Hagopian, which can include all the Hagopians of note for Eastern Armenian speakers? I do not know how / am scared to set this up.

2) Should my edit on Hagop Hagopian's page be removed? or left until a disambiguation page for the Western Armenian transliterated names has been constructed.

Thank you for your help!

RiverStreetRiverStreet (talk) 12:53, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Whether or not Hagop Hagopian should be a disambiguation page depends on whether the guerilla fighter is considered the primary meaning. Can we say that one of these people is significantly more well known than the others?  If so, they should have the main title with a hatnote pointing to a disambiguation page.  If there is no one clearly more notable person (and I suspect this is the case), the disambiguation page should have the primary title.  What is definitely wrong here, if what you say about transliteration is correct, is that Hakob Hakobian and Hagop Hagopian go to two different places.  They should both go to the same article or the same disambiguation page, whichever is decided is more appropriate to have the main title.  There should definitely not be two disambiguation pages for the same thing, one should redirect to the other. SpinningSpark 15:28, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I was bold and renamed the fighter as Hagop Hagopian (guerilla). (If someone wants to disambiguate him in some other way, they can move the article, and "guerilla" will be preserved as a redirect.)  I have created redirects to the disambiguation page for the alternate transliterations of the name.  Do we need redirects for the alternate spellings of the painter and the poet?  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:19, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * No, no one is going to type "Hagop Hagopian (painter)" in the search box and just "Hagop Hagopian" will take them to the disambiguation page where they will find what they are looking for. SpinningSpark 01:32, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * If there are any other variant transliterations of the name, then new redirects can be created to the disambiguation page. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:53, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Reference link shows a 404 error page
I want to help Wikipedia as much as i can and i looked over this page: Kimber James

In References area i see some links are pointed to 404 pages like:

-16 "Danielle Foxxx Has a "Penisectomy"". AdultFYI. 2008-11-03. Retrieved 2011-11-15. -> http://adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=27022 = NOT FOUND

-18 "2010 Nominees". AVN.com. Retrieved 2009-11-26. -> http://avnawards.avn.com/past-shows/past-nominees/ = 404 Page Not Found

-19 "Nominations for the 2011 AVN Awards" (PDF). AVN.com. Retrieved 2010-11-23 -> http://avnawards.avn.com/2011_nominations2.pdf = 404 Page Not Found

What should i do? Should i edit and remove those references? If YES what comments should i add there? I don't want to make mistakes as im new here.

Lucian Virgil (talk) 15:26, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * As a general rule, deadlink references should not be removed unless they can be replaced with a source at least as good as the original. You can mark them with the template deadlink.  There are a number of ways to recover deadlinks and leaving them in place gives editors who know how to do this a clue what to look for.  In any case, the dead page remains the source of the information and the reference should be left in place. SpinningSpark 15:36, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * You could check the Internet Wayback Machine to see if the references were archived and then insert a link to the archived version if it exists. RJFJR (talk) 15:49, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Creating an article
How do I post a bio and photo of a notable person? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.198.119.222 (talk) 16:26, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The best advice is to use the process described at articles for creation.--ukexpat (talk) 17:25, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

The American Civil War
Hello, was reading the pages on your site, about the American Civil War, found a huge discrepancy, as my linage, is directly tied to that war, my family fought, in that war, and the truth has been passed down from that war. Concerning the American Civil War, it is stated that the war was started over slavery, this is not true, the war, in fact, was started, over taxes, the slavery issue, was later added. In short, the civil war, started, when the North, decided to tax the South, 40 %, on all crops,, basically, TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. I ask you add this FACT. No matter how hard, some try, to cover up true history, the truth is well know, among those of us who have direct ties, to that war. We call it, the "meat grinder" and a horrible war it was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.81.195 (talk) 20:10, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * This page is for help on how to use Wikipedia. If you need help editing an article we can advise you how to do it, but we can't edit it on behalf of you, only you can do that. Dougweller (talk) 20:22, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * First of all, this isn't exactly the best venue to discuss this. Help Desk is more for issues with navigating the encyclopedia and making edits, not content. If you wish to discuss the content on our articles on the American Civil War, I would encourage you to do so on the talk pages for those articles. Before doing so, I would also advise you to have reliably-sourced information to back up any proposed edits, as handed-down narratives cannot be verified. -- McDoob  AU93  20:25, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The lead section to the article states: "The causes of the Civil War were complex and have been controversial since the war began."  The causes are discussed in detail in the article with attributions to historians.  The article talk page, Talk: American Civil War, is the place for discussion of whether the relative weight given to different causes should be revised.  Nearly all Americans, as well as non-Americans who are familiar with the impact of the war, will agree that it was a horrible war.  Robert McClenon (talk) 13:50, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Creating Content Boxes & Key Information Box (right side)
Hi,

I need help formatting my wikipedia page. Some of the information at the top, I would like to put in a box on the right hand-side -- to include information like Headquarter, Key People, Industry Employees, Website etc.

Please advise!

Christina — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cng.giordano (talk • contribs) 20:48, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * You're looking for Template:Infobox company. But it seems you've got that worked out now.  Dismas |(talk) 00:53, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Images disappeared
I have a strange problem where I can see images on Wikipedia, but not those from Commons. If I go to Commons I can see them okay. If I click on them I get "Warning: A file by that name has been deleted or moved." meaning that it has moved to Commons. How do I fix this? Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:54, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Please give some examples for us to check. The probable answer is that they have been deleted but your browser cache is holding an old version of the page. SpinningSpark 21:15, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * See Village pump (technical)/Archive 130. It seems there was a temporary glitch affecting many pages. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:35, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay, now I understand. After the glitch my browser cache was still linking to [:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=Hamming.jpg] instead of [:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamming.jpg]. Clearing the browser cache did not help, but editing the article slightly did. Thanks for your help. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:38, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

E.L. James photo
Hi there: Does anyone have any idea why the photo of E.L. James is not showing up on her page? In the infobox, I'm just seeing "File:E. L. James (cropped).jpg" in red letters. However, the photo used to show up, and it looks like it is still on Wikimedia Commons and no changes have been made recently. I'm stumped! Thanks. Safehaven86 (talk) 21:05, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * See Village pump (technical)/Archive 130. It seems there was a temporary glitch affecting many pages. I have "purged" E.L. James and the image is now showing. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:34, 3 September 2014 (UTC)